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[StraightFlush]

And penguin sheeps him. This is doing so much to confirm that at least one of you is scum

[PenguinPower]

K.

[BlackStar]

Dude this is a bad-faith reading of events and you know it, get the OMGUS out of my face. And you have the fucking gall to whinge about authenticity.

How is this bad faith? You claim to scum read me in multiple posts and have me at the bottom of your list but never put a vote down on me. The moment that I question you about this you finally vote for me but say that I’m not your top scum read. Then when I ask who your top scum read is you change your tune and say that it is me.

The best explanation I can think of is that you’re scum who was testing the waters to see if anyone was interested in wagoning me, but nobody seemed interested. I showed the inconsistency between your reads and your votes and you started panicking

[KayJayQueue]

Ooh I’m not a fan of what just happened.

[KayJayQueue]

This probably isn’t a perfect solve but Penguin was voting Yessiree (current wagon), BlackStar was voting Penguin. BlackStar moves vote to StraightFlush after an aggressive back and forth, Penguin immediately sheeps the vote. Now I can’t say it’s all 3 (Penguin, Yessiree, BlackStar) but I do think Penguin moving off the wagon to a counter wagon (or at least an attempted one) looks odd to me. I think Penguin/yessiree may be teamed.

[StraightFlush]

The moment that I question you about this you finally vote for me

Does 608-611 mean nothing to you?

Also I assume your nonsense is mainly based on my 614, but the only thing I say there is that I have never SAID you were my top scumread, not that you aren’t it currently. Even in my wallpost where I outline the case against you, I don’t actually say that and that should be worth noting. Your interpretation reads more like scum insecurity about how much you’re being sussed, to the point that you need clarification form me in order to adjust your behavior accordingly.

[StraightFlush]

If you think my framing of this is scummy I can see why, so go off I guess. But that doesn’t change the fact that your view, and thus your vote, is derived from a bad reading.

[PenguinPower]

This probably isn’t a perfect solve but Penguin was voting Yessiree (current wagon), BlackStar was voting Penguin. BlackStar moves vote to StraightFlush after an aggressive back and forth, Penguin immediately sheeps the vote. Now I can’t say it’s all 3 (Penguin, Yessiree, BlackStar) but I do think Penguin moving off the wagon to a counter wagon (or at least an attempted one) looks odd to me. I think Penguin/yessiree may be teamed.

I trust you to have eyes and read the interaction that just happened and come up with a reason as to why I just moved my vote.

[PenguinPower]

Granted most of my move is SF acting like a pretentious jackass. I may go back when I settle down.

[BlackStar]

The moment that I question you about this you finally vote for me

Does 608-611 mean nothing to you?

Also I assume your nonsense is mainly based on my 614, but the only thing I say there is that I have never SAID you were my top scumread, not that you aren’t it currently. Even in my wallpost where I outline the case against you, I don’t actually say that and that should be worth noting. Your interpretation reads more like scum insecurity about how much you’re being sussed, to the point that you need clarification form me in order to adjust your behavior accordingly.

Can you explain what you meant by the bolded part?

Alright, time for some late-night wagon analysis.

Firstly, based on the lack of a counterwagon or ANY tangible resistance to Greeting's wagon after it formed, there has to be a heavy scum presence on it imo. If we're dealing with a 10-3 setup, two mafia are on that wagon minimum. I'm willing to be pulled off this theory later if the evidence points to it, but that's what I'm proceeding on for now.

Secondly, Smiley being chosen as the NK tells us quite a bit after reading his ISO. I don't really do detailed readings and note-taking for ISOs much but you can really get a good idea of where his head was at because he was so active. Great town player tbh, let's get on with the loose analysis

Titus: As the originator of the Greeting wagon and the one who really only talked about how much they wanted to launch Greeting past a certain point in the phase, the easy thing to do is point the finger at him. However, I think it's unlikely atp because of how they handled their post-VLA thread presence. They were the lowest poster by far and exclusively tunnelled Greeting past a certain point, which is extremely nooby scumplay and not something I'd expect from anyone in this game, not even myself. I think they were more convinced than most of us that PC/Brian was TvT, but remember that MOST OF US WERE WILLING TO BELIEVE THAT PC/BRIAN WAS TVT REGARDLESS. To the point that we turboed them with no CW. So it's hard to blame Titus for their position.

Me: I was the first to sheep Titus. I look sus. If you scumread Titus or me separately, this probably makes us look more sus. However, I maintain that I am town.

BlackStar: This guy keeps setting off alarm bells for me and this is the loudest one.

He was not the FIRST to sheep Greeting, but the SECOND person, which is much better optics from a scum POV. He also didn't have any visible progression from sussing one of PC or Brian to being convinced enough about Greeting to turbo them MINUTES after the opportunity showed itself. His TP in general has also felt kinda sparse, like a lot of his interactions are just single posts spread out by about 12 hours to the point that he rarely ends up appearing in the same conversation more than once. Feels like scum trying to spread themselves out and seem more active/solvy than they actually are.

PenguinPower: Very hard to read for me, I think their thread behavior is broadly deserving of a scumlean because they were active during RVS then fell off slightly, and they also hopped on literally everyone who had anything resembling a wagon during the course of the phase. But their actual behavior within their posts makes them difficult to nail down. Not my first choice for a vote but scum!Penguin would fit kinda neatly into my hypothesis. Would be interested to see others' reads on this slot.

Davesaz: Null slot, not enough content despite no VLA. Some call that scummy in itself but he made vague references to being busy IRL so I'd leave it be for now. His few posted thoughts have been kinda scattered across topics and unclear with their intent (like with his allusions about the AIness of the rolefishing stuff and my alleged "scumslip"), so I can't really know where his headspace is at. True neutral, wouldn't be surprised at scum or town atp

SmileyDude1: He's fucking dead lmao rip

I'll go over the off-wagon stuff briefly but FUCKING HELL IT'S 2AM WHY DID I STAY UP TO WRITE THIS HALF-ASSED SHIT

Brian Skies/KayJayQueue: Lumping them together b/c my thoughts are simple. I think their stance on the Greeting wagon and how they handled it leans towny based on the idea that they smelled a rat and wanted to chase something else. Titus in KJQ's case, PC in Brian's case. Both valid scumreads. However this could also read as distancing depending on how obvious they thought town would find the scumminess of the Greeting wagon. Hence TLs, not TRs.

Hu Tao: As horrible as they've been about explaining their scumreads on myself and Dave, I was among the first on the Greeting wagon and Dave followed later. I can't be too surprised. Seems towny because scum!HT would know I'm town and have no reason to scumread and antagonize me after I defended them earlier in the phase. Can't speak to their behavior on Dave, they might just be naturally suspicious of lowposters or think the scumslip thing was sloppy distancing.

PC: My only reasonably strong off-wagon scumread. Smiley's ISO reads to me as someone who would be very dangerous to scum!PC: someone who isn't tunneling him or even actively campaigning against him, but always keeping him in the corner of his eye throughout the phase despite its many shifts. Read for yourself and you might disagree, but I'm not feeling as good about PC now. However his D1 behavior still felt towny to me, so I'll have to reconcile that somehow.

Not voting anywhere until I hear other thoughts, my vote habits will be terrible if I just focus on my own interpretation of the flips.

Oh I forgot about yessiree. Must ISO him. Too tired. Will do later, hopefully.

[KayJayQueue]

This probably isn’t a perfect solve but Penguin was voting Yessiree (current wagon), BlackStar was voting Penguin. BlackStar moves vote to StraightFlush after an aggressive back and forth, Penguin immediately sheeps the vote. Now I can’t say it’s all 3 (Penguin, Yessiree, BlackStar) but I do think Penguin moving off the wagon to a counter wagon (or at least an attempted one) looks odd to me. I think Penguin/yessiree may be teamed.

I trust you to have eyes and read the interaction that just happened and come up with a reason as to why I just moved my vote.

It could also be an excuse to move the vote, I’m not quite sure yet. I’m taking things as they come. But yes, I do have eyes.

[PenguinPower]

Glad to hear.

[StraightFlush]

snip

There were certain things I saw in D1 (outlined in post) which I felt could be scummy, and I felt that your behavior around the Greeting wagon was the scummiest of those things. Simple stuff. Anything else, officer?

[StraightFlush]

Granted most of my move is SF acting like a pretentious jackass. I may go back when I settle down.

Either you’re blindly blazing a bluntly bad trail with this bothersome BlackStar blowhard, or you’re scummates. Of course I’m going to get heated about that when it’s my interpretation of events.

[BlackStar]

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There were certain things I saw in D1 (outlined in post) which I felt could be scummy, and I felt that your behavior around the Greeting wagon was the scummiest of those things. Simple stuff. Anything else, officer?

So you believed that my actions were the scummiest but I wasn’t your top scum read? How does that work? Who WAS your top scum read?

[BlackStar]

And the name calling is uncalled for

[StraightFlush]

And the name calling is uncalled for

Apologies, alliteration is quite alluring.

[StraightFlush]

snip

There were certain things I saw in D1 (outlined in post) which I felt could be scummy, and I felt that your behavior around the Greeting wagon was the scummiest of those things. Simple stuff. Anything else, officer?

So you believed that my actions were the scummiest but I wasn’t your top scum read?

No, I said that your EoD behavior was the scummiest thing YOU had done up to that point (disregarding what’s happened since). That entire paragraph was only in reference to you, was that bot obvious enough from your name being the title of it?

[yessiree]

A wagon on straightflish? I see this as an absolute win

VOTE: straightflush

[StraightFlush]

A wagon on straightflish? I see this as an absolute win

VOTE: straightflush

How do you feel about your two stronger scumreads not being in thread at all?

[yessiree]

A wagon on straightflish? I see this as an absolute win

VOTE: straightflush

How do you feel about your two stronger scumreads not being in thread at all?

I feel... Indifferent

[StraightFlush]

Strange.

Would you like to explain your read on me further? Clearly your reaction indicates that you've been harboring it for a bit.

[yessiree]

Strange? What about it?

[yessiree]

Strange.

Would you like to explain your read on me further? Clearly your reaction indicates that you've been harboring it for a bit.

If you checked my ISO, this shouldn't be news for you.

I'm happy voting with two of my stronger townleans

[StraightFlush]

Strange.

Would you like to explain your read on me further? Clearly your reaction indicates that you've been harboring it for a bit.

If you checked my ISO, this shouldn't be news for you.

I'm happy voting with two of my stronger townleans

Bullcrap, the only origin I can find is you jokingly mindmelding with Hu Tao (your top scumread) about their theory that they gave no explanation for.

Where is your townread on Penguin coming from, what sticks out to you as towny based on his behavior? And based on your list BlackStar seemed null, was I wrong about that? Why didn't you clarify that when I directly asked you earlier?