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Post Post #0 (ISO) » Fri May 03, 2024 6:45 am

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Post Post #1 (ISO) » Fri May 03, 2024 6:46 am

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thank you!!
q: if i were something like a 1-shot doc and thomith used the shot, would i know that upon my role PM, and would I know who Thomith had targeted?
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In post 1, ketchup777 wrote: thank you!!
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Post Post #3 (ISO) » Fri May 03, 2024 9:36 am

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In post 2, Alianna wrote:
In post 1, ketchup777 wrote: thank you!!
q: if i were something like a 1-shot doc and thomith used the shot, would i know that upon my role PM, and would I know who Thomith had targeted?
Yes, you would be informed of all of your slot's previous actions.
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Post Post #4 (ISO) » Fri May 03, 2024 9:41 am

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Ok so, if there is in future a night with only one kill, possible reasons are:

We have eliminated the whole scumteam (not yet we haven’t!)
SK/Vig and scum targeted the same person
Successful doc/block
Someone elected to no-kill (unlikely but maybe in some scenarios could cause chaos and confusion)
Scum nked SK but SK chose 1-shot bulletproof pregame (seems like the optimal choice)
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Post Post #5 (ISO) » Fri May 03, 2024 9:43 am

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If we have SK and fail to lim scum, it goes like this in worst case scenario:

today 2 dead. We are down to 6. if we lim. someone we are into the day on maybe 1:1:3. Unwinnable if they coordinate. Maybee? hmm
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Post Post #6 (ISO) » Fri May 03, 2024 9:46 am

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We could have a vig but mathematically and with the big Not declaring themselves it’s more likely we have a SK shooting scummy players and posing as a vig
It’s possible that the SK is not a widely-scumread person, then
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Post Post #7 (ISO) » Fri May 03, 2024 9:47 am

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In post 2, Alianna wrote:
In post 1, ketchup777 wrote: thank you!!
q: if i were something like a 1-shot doc and thomith used the shot, would i know that upon my role PM, and would I know who Thomith had targeted?
Yes, you would be informed of all of your slot's previous actions.
Can I know who Thomith voted n0 and n1?
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Post Post #8 (ISO) » Fri May 03, 2024 9:48 am

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ah I’ll just PM you so you don’t have to follow it here
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Post Post #9 (ISO) » Fri May 03, 2024 10:02 am

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ok so Thomith
d1 voted for Black Ranger
d2 did not cast a vote

not very exciting, alas
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Post Post #10 (ISO) » Fri May 03, 2024 11:40 am

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Oh wait we can’t be in TTTTTT (6 Ts) setup with 2 nights with 2 kills now

nice

let’s see how long it takes HA or anyone to realise
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Post Post #11 (ISO) » Fri May 03, 2024 11:41 am

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7 Ts is also unlikely unless Light went super crazy. But after how her gambit went in almost-normal game she would, barring wifom, have to have (female) balls of steel
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Post Post #12 (ISO) » Sat May 04, 2024 1:27 am

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Spoiler: initial catchup thoughts dump

C9++ April Fools

read the setup- what happens in the case of a tie in votes? A: broken randomly
half asleep first post bad
86 bad post
Cee Mirage seems town
112 bad post- link to Black agreeing with Hu Tao
note 118. Then if Moros didn’t die, Elements probably not scum but scum feared Elements was actually telling the truth
experience feels scummy again on p6
128 Black+Moros not paired
133 Moros throwing a scum partner into its pool of 'scumreads'?
note CSF’s 153+158
lmao at Cee Mirage’s parody of Ranger’s catch-up on page 7
182 Imaginality defends CSF
186- oh is it, experience?
189 Cee Mirage point to look back at?
192 the 'queen' feels like Black and Titus aren’t partnered
193 interesting but i also townread CSF so maybe NAI
211 Think about OopsieDaisy’s reaction
214 why does CM doing Ranger’s reads preclude Drew from doing them?
Page 9 etc. Black Ranger lurking
229 interesting post, but Ming was just VT
230 good Imaginality post
231 oh really Elements? Backing out?
234 OD fail (lmao overdose)
Black feels different and townie (from before) (:
241 yep I agree Black
242 I also somewhat agree Black
244 funny post
145 from CSF=? Hmmmm
247 good CM post
249 bad LG post
266 CSF soft defending Imaginality?
20 second gap 288 to 289 Black active townie?
293 AIRPORT PLANE SCUM SCUM OMG OD SCUM?
316 probs NAI but idk
321 Elements is just sheeting black. Elements/Imaginality might be the scum team.
Black/ha not the scum team based off of 325 not being synced up
329 Moros wanted to vote Imaginality, Imaginality might be the sk.
341 experience not SK/vig
345 Cee Mirage slips to be Aureal!
353 Imaginality would now rather have Ming than Moros
355 Oh really OD? You liked Imaginality’s posting?
358 interesting anti-OD point from awesome
371 reply to this with "he’s smart (:"
375 Alianna crumbing the night action lmao
381 meh vote from halfasleep
393+394 extremely lazy from Experience
421 note the (potential :) )accuracy here. maybe Imaginality is SK after all
422 well it’s not me!!
433 could be interesting to analyse, tho idk what to make of it
435 Elements is disengaged
@Cee Mirage‘s 439: maybe, maybe
458 oh drnick is so Drew
P19 Black not noticing Aureal‘s altslip is interesting
475 reply with 'yes' (@484 AHAHA town?)
478 Drew‘s pro-black point noted
498 spooky vote from Experience
499 and 500 20 second delay, kinda scummy for not being instantaneous as don’t need to let Alianna get the pagetops this game.
502 bringing CSF somewhat back into the limelight feels +town for OD(Imaginality mentioned this in 607 and I agree (: )
510 potential day 1 VC
503-520 opportunistic from OD?
534 RIP CM

537 end of n0

554 weird from OD, cos like, of course you should vote there!…
560 elements diverting from CSF
561 OD hedging
575 Elements diverting off their buddy?
577 the fact Imaginality isn’t considering 1-shot vig here probably gives them SK equity
587 Elements spreading confusion
598 OD probably not the vig/SK
603-604: that was quick, experience!
605 weird inconclusive hedging from Experience
607 yeah this is a good post from imaginality
614 reply with "yeah me three"
622 interesting Imaginality anti-elements point. He also agrees again that OD/CSF don’t seem to be paired
624 LG declares Imaginality as locktown. So why Imaginality not been nked?
634 well cited by OD
640 weird list from elements. why not offer a read either way to the light+CSF situation? and why only have two tiers: “can vote” and "Won’t vote tomorrow"? Is there no differentiation between anyone in the first tier? Even the "tomorrow" in the second tier feels hedgey.
641 OD had forgotten halfasleep existed. not many posts from her so fair. idk if this is AI but maybe is slightly towny to point out she forgot HA existed
665 etc. others are reading Black as town, too
667 cool idea from Imaginality, as it is of benefit to the town it might be coming from the mindset of town!Imaginality.
669 pointing this out is a bit strange from experience mefeels but idkkkkk
673 woahh so true I’ve been doing something similarrrrr
695 experience saying "I think" is maybe also kind of hedgeyyyyy
698 experience pushing for who Ming voted feels pretty good though
714 and before Black vs Drew kinda maybe just feels like TvT
718 viva la wifom from CFS (:
727 "lead the town" feels towny from Black (: )
740 interesting from Drew. Did Black nk him or is she being framed?
Imaginality improving their posting n1 as alluded to by OD in 638 could have been acting scummier/nuller n0 to avoid being NKed (source: see what happened to Cee Mirage :( )
P30 Black annoyed at Drew scumreadimg her but idk what to make of it
752 "It’s just not a good read" sounds kinda frustrated towny maybe but probs NAI
769 OD following up on HA‘s AMA
771 772 3 minute gap then is interesting but then HA does semiaccuse OD
793-795 were towny from OD tho
809 Imaginality seems like a good post
810 Ming‘s last words: go for Elements and OD
816 potential Mason crumb but as they’re friends, unlikely

820 end of n1

835+837 feel true from Black
840 true dat from Imaginality
855 reply to the last bit with "It‘s not"
864 OD wondering how to hunt an sk feels genuine. +865 is a good thing
869 Imaginality might be having a bit too much fun talking about serial killers
878 Black remembering to come back to that post feels honest and towny
883 reply with dont think about it too hard, beyond us probably not being SK because that’s too fun a role to pass up
886 Black certain that there are 2 mafia left is interesting
895 reply to the end with "don‘t do that"
899 reply to the end with "not a good lim"
900 might be towny to come back a lot later and correct it but could also be panicky scum so idk
919 reply with "I agree"
923 sk!Imaginality might be gathering people‘s thoughts to help know who to NK
I like 931 from Black here
934 could be a good point from Black, unless it was preplanned from Black+CAF team feels pretty valid

Black reaction to my entrance feels kinda towny, scum!her might be scared and cowering in a corner. And in general I think there is a genuine desire to solve coming through more so than ever this time.

924 HA not considering 1scum 1 so left is weird. Imaginality above (in post 923)at least said "E.g." to leave some to the imagination


Claimed votes:

d1:

Black Ranger: light, OD, CSF, Thomith, Imaginality (666), Black (768), Ming (783)
Ming: HA (591), experience (604)
Black: Drew (600)

Confirmed by experience in 659

d2:
Daisy: Black (823)
Ming: OD (824), Light (828), Imaginality (831), Experience (849), HA (867)


I think Light’s claim is true (not SvS). It’s entirely possible an unclaimed 1-shot cop with a random green check would decimate her when she claimed 1-shot cop.

Let C be the number of cops rolled
C~B(7,0.15)

P(C=0)= around 0.4
P(C=1)=7C1(0.15)(0.85)^6=0.3960
P(C=2)=0.2097
P(C=3)=0.0109

If C=1, she would be hard CCed. If C=2 she would be likely CCed, as 2C almost 20 times as likely as 3C. So it’s a very risky gambit mefeels. So why wasn’t Light killed yesterday? *insert spiderman meme about no u no u for the light kill* or they guessed she was one-shot or just generally wanted to cause paranoia

For scum setup stuff:

Let T be number of vanilla townies rolled.

T~B(7,1/2)

a priori:

P(TTTTTTT)= 0.0078
P(TTTTTT)= 0.0547
P(TTTTT)= 0.1641
P(TTTT)= 0.2734
P(TTT)= 0.2734
P(TT)= 0.1641
P(T)= 0.0547
P(-)= 0.0078
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Post Post #13 (ISO) » Sat May 04, 2024 1:42 am

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unless Enchant is obfuscating him not reading the game feels like not the vig/SK
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Post Post #14 (ISO) » Sat May 04, 2024 3:00 am

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Spoiler: cleansing thoughts/removing some notes to self


note that ties in votes are broken randomly

half asleep first post bad
86 bad post- later note: experience has done this 3 times I think now, dam
note 118. Elements somewhat seriously perhaps claims if vig they will be vigging Moros, and Moros did indeed end up dying.
experience feels scummy again on p6
note CSF’s 153+158. the CM shading was shading a towny so the OD (lmao OD=overdose) praising in 158 could be protecting a buddy. CSF's avatar is so adorable that she would probably not bus her teammates and help them out as much as possible. maybe.
lmao at Cee Mirage’s parody of Ranger’s catch-up on page 7
182 Imaginality defends CSF
186- oh is it, experience? defending CSF eh?
192 the 'queen' feels like Black and Titus aren’t partnered. oh wait I'm titus! ok yeah we aren't (:
193 interesting that OD is defending CSF but i also townread CSF's posts kinda so maybe NAI
211 Think about OopsieDaisy’s reaction. Is it relief? or genuine towny happiness. I think I lean towards towny happiness for now...
Page 9 etc. Black Ranger lurking so I can see why they were voted out
229 interesting post, Imaginality kinda scumhunting well, but Ming was just VT though
230 also a good Imaginality post
231 oh really Elements? Backing out?
Black feels different and townie (from before) (:
241 yep I kinda agree Black
242 I also somewhat agreed Black, but how wrong we were eh
245 from CSF=? Hmmmm. I did too but was CSF vouching for her buddy or was she just pocketing? I think I lean towards pocketing, for now
247 good CM post pushing Elements
249 baddish LG post, awesome wasn't really talking about ability level but more how the strategy could be scumsided, methinks. and how right awesome was eh?
266 CSF soft defending Imaginality?
20 second gap 288 to 289 Black active townie?
293 AIRPORT PLANE SCUM SCUM OMG OD SCUM? I SWEAR ANYONE WHO GETS ON A PLANE IS SCUM OK I'LL TRY PUT IS AS NAI BUT DOING OTHER THINGS IS REALLY TEMPTING RN
316 probs NAI from imaginality but idk 100% what to make of it. ehhh i'll just leave it ig
321 Elements is just sheeping black. Elements/Imaginality might be the scum team.
Black/ha not the scum team based off of 325 not being synced up with ha's 66. but asking for a fast night is very funny ahaha.
329 Moros wanted to vote Imaginality, Imaginality might be the sk.
342 experience probs not SK/vig as if they knew they would shoot Moros they probably wouldn't make this post
345 Cee Mirage slips to be Aureal! bum bum bummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
353 Imaginality would now rather have Ming than Moros. so maybe not SK after all. but idk
355 Oh really OD? You liked Imaginality’s posting? This doesn't seem to link up with what you thought in 638??

358 interesting anti-OD point from awesome, even if he was maybe partly joking
371 cos thomith is smart (:
375 Alianna crumbing the night actions lmao
381 meh vote from halfasleep
393+394 extremely lazy from Experience. idk which alignment that is coming from atm tho.
421 note the (potential :) )accuracy from Moros here. maybe Imaginality is SK after all
422 well it’s not me!!
433 could be interesting to analyse, tho idk what to make of it. about whether OD had partner equity with Moros (clearly they were not partners but OD could still be scum...)
435 Elements is disengaged
@Cee Mirage‘s 439: maybe, maybe
P19 Black not noticing Aureal‘s altslip is interesting but maybe towny especially with the getting high on weed references and stuff probably coming from town smoking the pain of solving away or something like that
475 yes (@484 AHAHA black town? in sync)
478 Drew‘s pro-black point noted
498 spooky wagoningwagony kinda vote from Experience
499 and 500 20 second delay, kinda scummy for not being instantaneous as don’t need to let Alianna get the pagetops this game. maybe experience just had bad signal or something though
502 bringing CSF somewhat back into the limelight feels kinda +town for OD(Imaginality mentioned this in 607 and I agree (: )

510 potential day 1 VC
503-520 opportunistic from OD? there was 6 hours between tho so probs nothing major
534 RIP CM

537 end of n0

554 weird from OD, cos like, of course you should vote there!… why feel the need to point it out beyond trying to make yourself look good?
560 elements diverting from CSF
561 OD hedging
575 Elements further diverting off their buddy CSF?
577 the fact Imaginality isn’t really considering/mentioning 1-shot vig here probably gives them SK equity
587 Elements spreading confusion, maybe
598 OD probably not the vig/SK
603-604: that was quick, experience!
605 weird inconclusive hedging from Experience not really adding much
607 yeah this is a good post from imaginality. then again, did sk!imaginality leap upon the opportunity to case someone who was very likely scum to gain townpoints? or indeed mafiabuddy!imaginality?
614 yeah me three
622 interesting Imaginality anti-elements point. He also agrees again that OD/CSF don’t seem to be paired
624 LG declares Imaginality as locktown. So why Imaginality not been nked? hmmmm
634 well cited by OD. might be towny engagement
640 weird list from elements. why not offer a read either way to the light+CSF situation? and why only have two tiers: “can vote” and "Won’t vote tomorrow"? Is there no differentiation between anyone in the first tier? Even the "tomorrow" in the second tier feels hedgey, as if they are all too willing to change their reads to their benefit.
641 OD had forgotten halfasleep existed. not many posts from her so fair. idk if this is AI but maybe is slightly towny to point out she forgot HA existed
665 etc. others are reading Black as town, too
667 cool idea from Imaginality, as it is of benefit to the town it might be coming from the mindset of town!Imaginality. also I just saw Imaginality's signature and am now lolling.
669 pointing this out is a bit strange from experience mefeels but idkkkkk
673 woahh so true and I’ve been doing something similarrrrr
695 experience saying "I think" is maybe also kind of hedgeyyyyy but this is only a minor pointtttt
698 experience pushing for who Ming voted feels pretty good though. I also have the innate curiosity of who voted who
714 and before Black vs Drew kinda maybe just feels like TvT
718 viva la wifom from CFS (:
727 "lead the town" feels towny from Black (: )
740 interesting from Drew. Did Black nk him or is she being framed?
Imaginality improving their posting n1 as alluded to by OD in 638 could have been acting scummier/nuller n0 to avoid being NKed (source: see what happened to Cee Mirage :( ) BUT WAIT DIDNT YOU THINK THEIR POSTS WERE TOWN OD? ehhhh
P30 Black annoyed at Drew scumreadimg her but idk what to make of it
769 OD belatedly following up on HA‘s AMA
771 772 3 minute gap then is interesting. was HA being shouted at in scum PT to get to the thread before being prodded? but then HA does semiaccuse OD so maybe not HA+OD team but idk
793-795 were towny from OD tho
809 Imaginality's readspost seems like a good post
810 Ming‘s last words: go for Elements and OD

820 end of n1

835+837 feel true from Black
840 true dat from Imaginality, as Black pointed out later yeah it was kinda well-noticed
855 It‘s not me so (:
864 OD wondering how to hunt an sk feels genuine. +865 is a good thing to realise/share with us (light very likely not SK)
869 Imaginality might be having a bit too much fun talking about serial killers
878 Black remembering to come back to that post feels honest and towny
883 don't think about it too hard, beyond us probably not being SK because that’s too fun a role to pass up
886 Black certain that there are 2 mafia left is interesting
895 re:voting me-- don‘t do that experience ):
899 i'm not a good lim ehhh why everyone ganging up on my slot rnnnnn
900 might be towny from OD to come back a lot later (58 minutes or so later) and correct what she said, especially in a noticeable pagetop, but could also be panicky scum so idk
919 I agree, Black
923 sk!Imaginality might be gathering people‘s thoughts to help know who to NK
I like 931 from Black here
934 could be a good point from Black, unless it was preplanned from Black+CAF team it feels like a pretty valid point

Black reaction to my entrance feels kinda towny, scum!her might be scared and cowering in a corner (hehehe). And in general I think there is a genuine desire to solve coming through more so than ever this time. hopefully.

924 HA not considering there being only 1 mafia so left is so weird. Imaginality above (in post 923)at least said "E.g." to leave some to the imagination but halfasleep semmed very confident there were 2 coordinating scum left.


Claimed votes:

d1:

Black Ranger: light, OD, CSF, Thomith, Imaginality (666), Black (768), Ming (783)
Ming: HA (591), experience (604)
Black: Drew (600)

Confirmed by experience in 659

d2:
Daisy: Black (823)
Ming: OD (824), Light (828), Imaginality (831), Experience (849), HA (867)


I think Light’s claim is true (not SvS). It’s entirely possible an unclaimed 1-shot cop with a random green check would decimate her when she claimed 1-shot cop.

Let C be the number of cops rolled
C~B(7,0.15)

P(C=0)= around 0.4
P(C=1)=7C1(0.15)(0.85)^6=0.3960
P(C=2)=0.2097
P(C=3)=0.0109

If C=1, she would be hard CCed. If C=2 she would be likely CCed, as 2C almost 20 times as likely as 3C. So it’s a very risky gambit mefeels. So why wasn’t Light killed yesterday? *insert spiderman meme about no u no u for the light kill* or they guessed she was one-shot or just generally wanted to cause paranoia

For scum setup stuff:

Let T be number of vanilla townies rolled.

T~B(7,1/2)

a priori:

P(TTTTTTT)= 0.0078
P(TTTTTT)= 0.0547
P(TTTTT)= 0.1641
P(TTTT)= 0.2734
P(TTT)= 0.2734
P(TT)= 0.1641
P(T)= 0.0547
P(-)= 0.0078

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so if I were to guess, the scum team was HA+experience+CFS and Imaginality is the serial killer.
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Post Post #15 (ISO) » Sat May 04, 2024 3:02 am

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In post 14, ketchup777 wrote:
Spoiler: adding post tags. cba to quote evrything because that'll be a nightmare. wait no ill do that in main thread to not die to notes PT


note that ties in votes are broken randomly

half asleep first post bad
86 bad post- later note: experience has done this 3 times I think now, dam
note 118. Elements somewhat seriously perhaps claims if vig they will be vigging Moros, and Moros did indeed end up dying.
experience feels scummy again on p6
note CSF’s 153+158. the CM shading was shading a towny so the OD (lmao OD=overdose) praising in 158 could be protecting a buddy. CSF's avatar is so adorable that she would probably not bus her teammates and help them out as much as possible. maybe.
lmao at Cee Mirage’s parody of Ranger’s catch-up on page 7
182 Imaginality defends CSF
186- oh is it, experience? defending CSF eh?
192 the 'queen' feels like Black and Titus aren’t partnered. oh wait I'm titus! ok yeah we aren't (:
193 interesting that OD is defending CSF but i also townread CSF's posts kinda so maybe NAI
211 Think about OopsieDaisy’s reaction. Is it relief? or genuine towny happiness. I think I lean towards towny happiness for now...
Page 9 etc. Black Ranger lurking so I can see why they were voted out
229 interesting post, Imaginality kinda scumhunting well, but Ming was just VT though
230 also a good Imaginality post
231 oh really Elements? Backing out?
Black feels different and townie (from before) (:
241 yep I kinda agree Black
242 I also somewhat agreed Black, but how wrong we were eh
245 from CSF=? Hmmmm. I did too but was CSF vouching for her buddy or was she just pocketing? I think I lean towards pocketing, for now
247 good CM post pushing Elements
249 baddish LG post, awesome wasn't really talking about ability level but more how the strategy could be scumsided, methinks. and how right awesome was eh?
266 CSF soft defending Imaginality?
20 second gap 288 to 289 Black active townie?
293 AIRPORT PLANE SCUM SCUM OMG OD SCUM? I SWEAR ANYONE WHO GETS ON A PLANE IS SCUM OK I'LL TRY PUT IS AS NAI BUT DOING OTHER THINGS IS REALLY TEMPTING RN
316 probs NAI from imaginality but idk 100% what to make of it. ehhh i'll just leave it ig
321 Elements is just sheeping black. Elements/Imaginality might be the scum team.
Black/ha not the scum team based off of 325 not being synced up with ha's 66. but asking for a fast night is very funny ahaha.
329 Moros wanted to vote Imaginality, Imaginality might be the sk.
342 experience probs not SK/vig as if they knew they would shoot Moros they probably wouldn't make this post
345 Cee Mirage slips to be Aureal! bum bum bummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
353 Imaginality would now rather have Ming than Moros. so maybe not SK after all. but idk
355 Oh really OD? You liked Imaginality’s posting? This doesn't seem to link up with what you thought in 638??

358 interesting anti-OD point from awesome, even if he was maybe partly joking
371 cos thomith is smart (:
375 Alianna crumbing the night actions lmao
381 meh vote from halfasleep
393+394 extremely lazy from Experience. idk which alignment that is coming from atm tho.
421 note the (potential :) )accuracy from Moros here. maybe Imaginality is SK after all
422 well it’s not me!!
433 could be interesting to analyse, tho idk what to make of it. about whether OD had partner equity with Moros (clearly they were not partners but OD could still be scum...)
435 Elements is disengaged
@Cee Mirage‘s 439: maybe, maybe
P19 Black not noticing Aureal‘s altslip is interesting but maybe towny especially with the getting high on weed references and stuff probably coming from town smoking the pain of solving away or something like that
475 yes (@484 AHAHA black town? in sync)
478 Drew‘s pro-black point noted
498 spooky wagoningwagony kinda vote from Experience
499 and 500 20 second delay, kinda scummy for not being instantaneous as don’t need to let Alianna get the pagetops this game. maybe experience just had bad signal or something though
502 bringing CSF somewhat back into the limelight feels kinda +town for OD(Imaginality mentioned this in 607 and I agree (: )

510 potential day 1 VC
503-520 opportunistic from OD? there was 6 hours between tho so probs nothing major
534 RIP CM

537 end of n0

554 weird from OD, cos like, of course you should vote there!… why feel the need to point it out beyond trying to make yourself look good?
560 elements diverting from CSF
561 OD hedging
575 Elements further diverting off their buddy CSF?
577 the fact Imaginality isn’t really considering/mentioning 1-shot vig here probably gives them SK equity
587 Elements spreading confusion, maybe
598 OD probably not the vig/SK
603-604: that was quick, experience!
605 weird inconclusive hedging from Experience not really adding much
607 yeah this is a good post from imaginality. then again, did sk!imaginality leap upon the opportunity to case someone who was very likely scum to gain townpoints? or indeed mafiabuddy!imaginality?
614 yeah me three
622 interesting Imaginality anti-elements point. He also agrees again that OD/CSF don’t seem to be paired
624 LG declares Imaginality as locktown. So why Imaginality not been nked? hmmmm
634 well cited by OD. might be towny engagement
640 weird list from elements. why not offer a read either way to the light+CSF situation? and why only have two tiers: “can vote” and "Won’t vote tomorrow"? Is there no differentiation between anyone in the first tier? Even the "tomorrow" in the second tier feels hedgey, as if they are all too willing to change their reads to their benefit.
641 OD had forgotten halfasleep existed. not many posts from her so fair. idk if this is AI but maybe is slightly towny to point out she forgot HA existed
665 etc. others are reading Black as town, too
667 cool idea from Imaginality, as it is of benefit to the town it might be coming from the mindset of town!Imaginality. also I just saw Imaginality's signature and am now lolling.
669 pointing this out is a bit strange from experience mefeels but idkkkkk
673 woahh so true and I’ve been doing something similarrrrr
695 experience saying "I think" is maybe also kind of hedgeyyyyy but this is only a minor pointtttt
698 experience pushing for who Ming voted feels pretty good though. I also have the innate curiosity of who voted who
714 and before Black vs Drew kinda maybe just feels like TvT
718 viva la wifom from CFS (:
727 "lead the town" feels towny from Black (: )
740 interesting from Drew. Did Black nk him or is she being framed?
Imaginality improving their posting n1 as alluded to by OD in 638 could have been acting scummier/nuller n0 to avoid being NKed (source: see what happened to Cee Mirage :( ) BUT WAIT DIDNT YOU THINK THEIR POSTS WERE TOWN OD? ehhhh
P30 Black annoyed at Drew scumreadimg her but idk what to make of it
769 OD belatedly following up on HA‘s AMA
771 772 3 minute gap then is interesting. was HA being shouted at in scum PT to get to the thread before being prodded? but then HA does semiaccuse OD so maybe not HA+OD team but idk
793-795 were towny from OD tho
809 Imaginality's readspost seems like a good post
810 Ming‘s last words: go for Elements and OD

820 end of n1

835+837 feel true from Black
840 true dat from Imaginality, as Black pointed out later yeah it was kinda well-noticed
855 It‘s not me so (:
864 OD wondering how to hunt an sk feels genuine. +865 is a good thing to realise/share with us (light very likely not SK)
869 Imaginality might be having a bit too much fun talking about serial killers
878 Black remembering to come back to that post feels honest and towny
883 don't think about it too hard, beyond us probably not being SK because that’s too fun a role to pass up
886 Black certain that there are 2 mafia left is interesting
895 re:voting me-- don‘t do that experience ):
899 i'm not a good lim ehhh why everyone ganging up on my slot rnnnnn
900 might be towny from OD to come back a lot later (58 minutes or so later) and correct what she said, especially in a noticeable pagetop, but could also be panicky scum so idk
919 I agree, Black
923 sk!Imaginality might be gathering people‘s thoughts to help know who to NK
I like 931 from Black here
934 could be a good point from Black, unless it was preplanned from Black+CAF team it feels like a pretty valid point

Black reaction to my entrance feels kinda towny, scum!her might be scared and cowering in a corner (hehehe). And in general I think there is a genuine desire to solve coming through more so than ever this time. hopefully.

924 HA not considering there being only 1 mafia so left is so weird. Imaginality above (in post 923)at least said "E.g." to leave some to the imagination but halfasleep semmed very confident there were 2 coordinating scum left.


Claimed votes:

d1:

Black Ranger: light, OD, CSF, Thomith, Imaginality (666), Black (768), Ming (783)
Ming: HA (591), experience (604)
Black: Drew (600)

Confirmed by experience in 659

d2:
Daisy: Black (823)
Ming: OD (824), Light (828), Imaginality (831), Experience (849), HA (867)


I think Light’s claim is true (not SvS). It’s entirely possible an unclaimed 1-shot cop with a random green check would decimate her when she claimed 1-shot cop.

Let C be the number of cops rolled
C~B(7,0.15)

P(C=0)= around 0.4
P(C=1)=7C1(0.15)(0.85)^6=0.3960
P(C=2)=0.2097
P(C=3)=0.0109

If C=1, she would be hard CCed. If C=2 she would be likely CCed, as 2C almost 20 times as likely as 3C. So it’s a very risky gambit mefeels. So why wasn’t Light killed yesterday? *insert spiderman meme about no u no u for the light kill* or they guessed she was one-shot or just generally wanted to cause paranoia

For scum setup stuff:

Let T be number of vanilla townies rolled.

T~B(7,1/2)

a priori:

P(TTTTTTT)= 0.0078
P(TTTTTT)= 0.0547
P(TTTTT)= 0.1641
P(TTTT)= 0.2734
P(TTT)= 0.2734
P(TT)= 0.1641
P(T)= 0.0547
P(-)= 0.0078

come back to this later also work out probability of sk vs vig ig


so if I were to guess, the scum team was HA+experience+CFS and Imaginality is the serial killer. but maybe OD or Elements(Enchant) in there somewhere too. me, black, light town, hopefully.
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Post Post #16 (ISO) » Sat May 04, 2024 6:54 am

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1034 hmm yea i was going to ask that
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Post Post #17 (ISO) » Sat May 04, 2024 10:51 am

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I make it 3-4 times as likely a priori we have a SK than a multishot vig

Let V be the number of Vs rolled
V~B(7,0.1)

P(V=0)=0.4783
P(V=1)=0.3720
P(V=2)=0.1240
P(V=3)=0.0230

so it's just under 15% to roll a multishot vig
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Post Post #19 (ISO) » Sat May 04, 2024 10:56 am

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Statistics
Total Games: 24
Town Win: 50%
Scum Win: 37.5%
Draw: 0%

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Post Post #20 (ISO) » Sat May 04, 2024 11:00 am

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TTTTTTT = Goon + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)


light would v v likely not gambit this as SK. and she would likely not do it on her only scumbuddy either especially when she could be CCed by an actual 1-shot cop. and the chances of rolling this etup were only miniscule anyways.

TTTTTT = Goon + Godfather


with 2 consecutive nights with 2 kills, we must have a multishot vig or an SK

TTTTT = Goon + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)

TTTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker

TTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)

TT = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather

similar logic to the below applies. but what would this setup be? a vig, a 1-shot cop, 1 or 2 other town PRS none of which have been flipped yet (3 kill opportunities and 2 lims tho neither lim claimed PR), and Light redchecking the only goon. Very unlikely mefeels.

T = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)

so if we have 6 PRs without a multishot vig or IC or seemingly without a multishot cop and light redchecks the only goon once again this is so implausible I will get rid of it

0 Ts = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather

The chances of rolling this setup and redchecking the only goon are like 1/1664 before even considering we need to roll 2 Vs and stuff and like... yeah no
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Post Post #21 (ISO) » Sat May 04, 2024 11:14 am

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am i cooking? maybe. this is fun (:
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Post Post #22 (ISO) » Sat May 04, 2024 11:16 am

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So we are left with

TTTTT = Goon + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof) (A PRIORI 16.41% ROLL CHANCE)

TTTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker (A PRIORI 27.34% roll chance)

TTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof) (A PRIORI 27.34% roll chance)

the second two setups were a priori more likely and also with light redchecking a goon have twice as many ways for that to have occurred. however it seems safe to assume wahtever happens there is another PR out there (and maybe SK). but there will be 2 cleared people. in TTTTT setup if we mislim today we are okish even with 2 correct nks because we come into a 3v2.

but can't rule it out yet so let's go to TTTT (THERE IS A MULTISHOT VIG).
the chance of rolling a multishot vig in 6 Vs (assuming we have a 'known' 1-shot cop) is 0.0984. the chance scum would nk the vig are maybe 2/11, so 9/11 (0.0984) is around 0.0805. however the vig not claiming yet seems SKey. there could be a vig, but i lean SK. so our likeliest setup is maybe

TTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof) (A PRIORI 27.34% roll chance)

the problem with this is that we have 2-3 unclaimed PRs. but it's possible we rolled something like TTTCDMM with masons or TTTCDVB or TTTCVMM or TTTCBMM
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Post Post #23 (ISO) » Sat May 04, 2024 11:44 am

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assumptions:
  • light is 1-shot cop
  • We are in the setup TTTTT, TTTT or TTT (see above)
  • We do not have both an SK and a multishot vig. its possible but chaotic ahh and an edge case
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  • I am VT
  • CSF mafia goon, otherwise 5 VTs flipped
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Post Post #24 (ISO) » Sat May 04, 2024 11:56 am

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number next to things is how many town PRS if that's the setup. (5-that number)= how many VTs we would have, including me

TTTTTC? setups: (goon, GF, SK)
  • D (2)
  • V (2)
  • B (2)
TTTTC?? setups: (2 goon, RB)
  • VV (need a vig if no SK to account for the 2 kills n1 and 2) (2)
TTTC??? setups: (2 goon, RB, SK)
  • DDD (3)
  • DDV (4)
  • DDB (4)
  • DVV (3)
  • DVB (4)
  • DBB (4)
  • DMM (4)
  • VVV (4)
  • VVB (3)
  • VBB (4)
  • VMM (4)
  • BBB (3)
  • BMM (4)
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