Mod Error Mafia [TM2015] - Game Over

[shos]

ah, I used 10!

...VOTE: Tiershift

[shos]

Because all of you had awkward entrances.

elaborate?

also,

Anyone else intrigued by the score in post 5?

why ignore this?

Anyone know anything about the score?

[shos]

why would we PL who, again?
if any, PL ns, he's hated and stuff.

[shos]

If any, policy lynch notscience, he has just claimed hated.

dat better?

[shos]

If any, policy lynch notscience, he has just claimed hated.

dat better?

No.

Why would that be a reason to policy lynch someone?

because a hated townie in lylo is autoloss?

[shos]

If any, policy lynch notscience, he has just claimed hated.

dat better?

No.

Why would that be a reason to policy lynch someone?

because a hated townie in lylo is autoloss?

Does the word conditional not mean anything to you?

Though if this is notscience's only condition then his question to me was bizarre.

I've no idea what you're talking about.

[shos]

I just realized hated was a modifier and not just ns being all emo "people hate me" or something.

why would we PL who, again?
if any, PL ns, he's hated and stuff.

shos are you typically for or against policy lynching?

1. Lol
2. Im always against - here too.


Guys I should make it known that I pfyen phonepoat so please igbore spelling errora and also sorry if i dont produce as much content as I like in most posts

[shos]

Name	Change	Score
Cabd	-	50
Cephrir	-	50
copper223	-	50
Iecerint	-	50
Katsuki	-	50
Lady Lambdadelta	-	50
notscience	-	50
Rhinox	-	50
shos	-	50
T-Bone	-	50
TierShift	-	50
Who	-	50
xRECKONERx	-	50

Anyone? Anything?

[shos]

I like TS and Ceph for town.

[shos]

mine too

it'll do better here
VOTE: LLD

[shos]

Why?

Why not?

@Tier: You've been suspecting reck for a lot of the same reasons as me while calling me an idiot. I don't know why you're jumping down everyone's throats and getting pissy at everyone on page 5, last time I played with you you were pretty calm and not an ass for no reason.

Are we suspecting reck for the same reasons? I don't get that from your posts.

shos, opinion on reck?

mehtown

[shos]

mebbe
yes
no
because we're still in RVS the way I see it

[shos]

I did not suggest a PL, I was just saying that there was no reason to PL who, and I didn't get why that was even named. If anything, a policy lynch may be acceptable on a hated person.

[shos]

shos is different because he's being a smarmy coy asshole about his read. He's doing the "I have a read, you wanna know what it is? Too bad!" thing that reminds me of elementary school bus rides.

Why are you still voting for T-Bone if you have an inkling elsewhere? Did you just miss the time when there was a little momentum towards Reck, because otherwise that would've been a great time to apply pressure.

I'm gonna have to go ahead and lol at this

everything I say has a reason, clearly you haven't played with me enough

[shos]

I did not suggest a PL, I was just saying that there was no reason to PL who, and I didn't get why that was even named. If anything, a policy lynch may be acceptable on a hated person.

"Why Who, why not notscience?" is not what I'd expect to hear for someone that is totally against policy lynching.

I'll quote you what I wrote:

why would we PL who, again?
if any, PL ns, he's hated and stuff.

...

[shos]

yo I still need to read a few pages but I saw the VC change and it made me think maybe the previous roles have to do with the "score"

so I was a lurker-doublevoter - as in, I can doublevote anyone who hasn't posted 48 hours straight.

[shos]

Alright it's passover!
let's reread everythinggg ^_^

[shos]

18. Each Day will have a deadline of fourteen real life days.

In the event deadline is reached before a lynch has occurred, no lynch will occur.

4. The Mafia have daytalk with each other. In addition, the scums' teammates will have read-only access to the Mafia PT.

As a start, these should be repeated in case anyon missed this

[shos]

K going page by page.
didn't expect so much on p1, lol

Hi guys
~f

I think we should be massclaiming our prior roles. I especially want to hear from prior scum about how their fake claims were structured/set up.

I'll start, even. I was town day mailman, night "beyond the grave" message leaver.

This is a post that comes from a town mindset. Normally I wouldn't dwell on the first roll but getting this modmeta might definitely be useful.

Don't quite see how the town role PMs could help, but the scum definitely.

Seems like a pointless exercise, but it's going to get talked about anyway, so I might as well save everyone some time.

I was a suicidal 2-shot reflexive doctor. Which means I can doc everyone who targets me on a given night twice, and also had the power to commit suicide. With any luck you all won't make me wish I still had that power.

this sounds now like a scumpost. Why is it pointless? afraid that people learn some about your current state?

worth voting here
VOTE: ceph

In changing your RVS vote so quickly, are you declaring a weak townread on me, or...?

This post is odd, though. and it makes me a tad paranoid - maybe you knew that the mod changed his ways this game and that is why you offered at first for towncred?

If ever in the history of man there has ever been a time mod meta would be ineffective, that time is right now.

explain this post.

[shos]

p2

what's the deal with all the 'conditional' questions?

If any, policy lynch notscience, he has just claimed hated.

dat better?

No.

Why would that be a reason to policy lynch someone?

because a hated townie in lylo is autoloss?

Me so right.

Oh yea

VOTE: cabd srs vote

is this srs srsly?

[shos]

Reck, you rolled scum this game eh?

shos, read the thread.

I finally got what you mean :/

Oh actually legit proposing a who PL day one. He's gonna be a useless fuck and end up getting lynched anyways, let's get it over with today.

VOTE: who

Can you back this up?

It's mostly true from my experience with him.

I kinda have to agree from my exp with who, but that's still not a reason to PL.

@Ceph.
Are you in a bad mood? You seem needlessly antagonistic compared to the baseline I am used to.

Heh.

[It's intentional.]

Ah.

Ah.
Can you (ceph) please explain your intentions? I was kinda doing something similar I think just wanting to make sure

Reck, you rolled scum this game eh?

This occurred to me, but if you check his posts you'll notice that he's on mobile.

Can you explain what occurred to you here?

His posting seemed really pithy and his vote for Cabd seemed more like an attempt to establish gravitas than an attempt to vote someone whom he thought was scum.

But the brevity (and consequent lack of clear motivation behind some of his posts) could also be attributed to mobile posting.

this is s townpost.


LLD too feels town by this page.

[shos]

well my day didn't work out very well so I'll continue tomorrow from p4 :/

[shos]

continuing from yesterday, not drunk anymore

got nothing to say about p4.

[shos]

This doesn't make sense. First off, he posted it so early in the game that there wasn't even anything else for him to try and avoid talking about. Second, something something starting a policy lynch is a null tell.

Driving the conversation towards theory/setup/speculation allows scum to not contribute anything to the game. I've hidden behind it several times as scum. It's not about what he was avoiding THERE, it's about the direction he was heading. We have now had several pages of people claiming roles and wondering AHHH WHERE ARE THE OLD ROLE CLAIMS and it's just silly.

Advocating a policy lynch is pretty bad, unless the player is truly horrendous -- IE, not Who. Additionally, if it was really that bad that Cabd doesn't like playing with him, his team had the option to swap.

This post comes from town. Even if we disagree about the usefulness of (at least some of the) claims of the pre-reroll, this shows town mindset, imo.

Guys I should make it known that I pfyen phonepoat so please igbore spelling errora and also sorry if i dont produce as much content as I like in most posts

would like to reiterate this.
I'm right now on a vacation so I'm trying to find the time to post, but this should be noted.

Also, mod, I'm going on a fieldtrip with my buddies in the desert Sunday-Monday, consider me VLA.

Might still post though from phone if there's reception..

That being said, my reservations aside, I think you're town at the moment for trying to thin the herd some, in any way you can. Do I think some of the reasoning is flawed? Yes. But flawed reasoning does not a scum make.

Would you explain to me this townread? how is any of his posts 'trying to think the herd'?

Yeah this is shit I'm pretty happy with my vote

WHy is it shit

Because there was obviously no intent to avoid engaging this game by cabd and you made it seem like there was. You seemed to be pretty certain in your read but now that there's resistance to your read you try to justify it with even more bullshit ('it was just about the direction he was heading') which is put forward more as an excuse for scumreading him than as a read you believe in. Town don't need to make excuses for reads, they believe in reads.

Seriously, people, read 104 and see it's a fucking excuse.

Bullshit. see above.

Alright, fuck this. Let's do something.

Cephrir, as of right now who should we lynch today?

Reck, same question. Iec, same question.

Reck.

I'd also like Copper to answer this question.

Explanation. Why lynch my townread.

[shos]

It is true that I prefer scum roles in general, but I have rolled it a lot lately. In fact, I put tokens on town here.

I find this wierd. why would you claim that, in a game which is explicitly not using the tokens?

What's the pro-town benefit of setup speculation discussion? It's not even current setup spec -- it's setup spec from a completely unrelated game. It is not productive, it's anti-productive. It's a distraction. I don't particularly give a shit about meta or anything, so that piece of the argument falls flat for me. For me, analyzing that within the context of this game alone, it's sketchy.

At least you can admit your bias.

You don't know if there is a correlation between the roles of the prior setup and the new ones, from the roles you all said you received I suspect there is one so the discussion is not useless, there are other ways where discussion of past roles can be useful as well.

I could make the same argument for RVS you just mad for Cabd proposing that discussion, it's not productive because all of us here know how it goes, it's anti-productive, it's a distraction, it's scum indicative that you RVS voted ... (if you space the logical jumps from A to D by putting in B and C to make it look reasonable it still is absurd when you connect the dots).

I do think it's possible you are strirring things up as town and some pressure on Cabd is fine by me.

Of course you do know, there's no correlation and it's explicitly been said that a new setup has been brought. The only thing we can get from this is scum fakeclaims, and you look a lot like you're just trying to direct conversation to useless specs.

Honestly if anyone is still thinking Reck is scum after reading this page I'm gonna shit brix and throw'em on you

[shos]

(that was page 6 btw :/ and the one before was 5)

[shos]

Vote Count 1.5

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

shos (2): Rhinox, Cephrir
xRECKONERx (1): TierShift
Lady Lambdadelta (1): shos
TierShift (1): Lady Lambdadelta
T-Bone (1): copper223
Who (1): Cabd
Cabd (1): xRECKONERx
Katsuki (1): Iecerint

Not Voting (4): Katsuki, notscience, T-Bone, Who

Deadline for Day 1 is Wednesday, April 15th, at 12:00 noon EDT (site time).
Countdown to deadline:

(expired on 2015-04-15 11:00:00)

Name	Change	Score
Cabd	-1	49
Cephrir	-2	48
copper223	-	50
Iecerint	-	50
Katsuki	-	50
Lady Lambdadelta	+2	52
notscience	-	50
Rhinox	-2	48
shos	+2	52
T-Bone	-	50
TierShift	-1	49
Who	-	50
xRECKONERx	+1	51

So
I have +2 and I have 2 votes
and the ones voting me have -2
Reck has +1 and has 1 vote
and the one voting him has -1

Rhinox and LLD ?????
I hope by now you guys know more about this than on P6

[shos]

This game is pretty high-profile and run by smart people. There's absolutely no way they would allow setup spec based on the previous game to be useful for town here -- that would be terrible modding. I expect there is exactly the same amount of correlation you would see between any two Magua games. So unless you normally do buckets of mod meta, we can stop anytime.

No matter how smart Magua is he doesn't live in a vacuum, he had 1 day to make a new setup and he had the roles from his previous game fresh in mind, so I guarantee he is going to re-use some ideas.

The point of the RVS example was not to compare the validity of the two, it was to highlight how Reck made a series of unjustified logical leaps to land to his conclusion.

On another thought, this could be fitting. I'd imagine Magua was not planning this game alone on that day, you know many people here communicate in other means and stuff, online chats etc.
But I can see how this is coming from a townie mindset.

shos is different because he's being a smarmy coy asshole about his read. He's doing the "I have a read, you wanna know what it is? Too bad!" thing that reminds me of elementary school bus rides.

Does that make me scum? have you seen me on gamestarts?
in a game YOU modded I did practically the same, got myself run up and almost lynched on D1. ended up vigging two scums iirc or something like that. This behaviour was not a one-time thing too. How does that make me scum, please?

minus for votes cast, plus for votes received?

No. Doesn't add up.

I like the way rhinox is going about the game.

Not really feeling a shos wagon as it's based on not cooperating, essentially, which I don't find to be a scumtell

for him.

Copper is posting safe. Trying not to butt heads.
VOTE: copper

Shos, thoughts on copper?

Bolded for you what would be the main idea. TS knows me well <3

My thoughts on copper are kinda wierd. I mean so far I have like 3-4 reads, main ones being reck town and ceph scum, but I'm always a sucker for AtE and activity, and copper & ceph's activity makes me wonder. ceph I'm scumreading for the contents of his posts and their consistency of being bad imo, but copper, I dunno, partial agreement doesn't give me shit and the fact that he posted that much content by now(which is actually content) makes me lean town....

Not voting there anyway.

That's hilarious on so many levels Tier:

- I am bold as fuck when I play scum.

- One of the reasons why Sthar8 townread me in the game we just played together was me being conciliatory for the sake of information gathering.

- I just finished butting heads with Ceph.

Are you bored with this game and scum claiming?

and what the hell is this :/

[shos]

Mod, V/LA until tomorrow night.

[shos]

Skimmed through phone latest posting, seems like everyone is fpcused on me, i wondrr why because im srlll VLS

I still havrnyt even finished catchinf up on the game


So im p sure any wagon pushe on me is led by scum.
Im getting baxk home in a few hiurs so ill hopefully be here.

[shos]

OK some I'm awake and sortof fully functional. I decided to firstly read up the entire thread and only then comment, whether it is page by page like I did before or just generally.

[shos]

I'm starting my read at page 8, where I stopped earlier.

[shos]

The whole p8 discussion about prior roles looks stupid as hell. there's nothing to be learnt from that, and I have no idea why it is even done. notsci's evasive answers make me icky, but they're all irrelevant so I'm not going to give that too much weight.

@Rhinox 202: the 'if any' is key. this can be paraphrased in more details as "I am not supporting a policy lynch, but even if I did, I don't see how *who* is the target over *notscience*, since he is hated."

@notci, 203: what was the purpose of you lying there, knowingly? are you really hated or are you lying tehre too?

LLD's 206 sounds like genuine disappoint. I feel you too btw, but my rage went off after getting the *first* town role pm :/
but why is the vote on me?

@218: what was bad in that at the time? I did claim my prior role, and got a single scumread and two townreads which I think I explained; I don't see how this counts against me?

And why do you bring it up like 13 posts after LLD voted me?

ignore cuz 223

It's a better choice than blindly pursuing something I'm not fully confident in myself to the point where it will likely become a tunnel that won't stop.

What do you think of shos? Comments were made early about people potentially using the claims to avoid doing anything, his ISO doesn't really do much even though he never claims. He has a fair amount of posts, he declares two townreads and a scumread but that's about it.

I think his decision to try and put attention onto the mysterious scoring thing in our current game state is suspicious.

Can you elaborate please on this? I mean is that what made you vote me? I'm a mathematician, wherever numbers are I'm focusing. but regardless - why would you NOT try to figure out the score thing? this is public knowledge which probably can affect the game somehow somewhen.

lol@222 ceph
that post is like me when I'm scum

223 is a good post with town mindset imo. I think this post alone legits a mild townread on NS.

@ceph's longpost @me 245:
1. I don't think the mods are shit. But in general, most mods don't shift mindsets completely between games in this regard. As a mod myself, I know that usually my fakeclaims don't change in shape. That means, I don't, say, one time give full fakeclaims, one time give only name, one time tell them give me something and I'll build for you. It's often the same.

2. You know what, I'll revoke my statement there, yes. you calling it pointless would be worth the vote and all, exspecially gamestart, but then the fact that you cooperated shows that this was not intended to actually stop this from happening, and rather was just a statement of your thoughts, after not-so-deep thinking.

3. the idea was that he brought that up, which, supposedly can only help town; and then it's like he's trying to force a weak townread on himself at a super early gamestate because of it. the word I'm looking for is suggestion. Town would bring it up for the information it may give; that post looked like a 'hey look what a townie thing I did, how bout you townread me for it?'

4. disregard.


Ceph, I asked you in 249 what was the purpose of the intentional badposts in gamestart and you haven't answered it, it seems, but it matters no more. The reason I did this was because I often start games with acting scummy to pull reactions and start the game quicker. I'm saying this because I saw people are scumreading me, and it has to be because of gamestart play because I practically wasn't here for like three days so.

Can you explain to me what made you *confident* that I am scum in 253?

Rhinox, can you explain to me 252? I quoted those because these are important details to remember. and clearly you haven't seen me try hard as scum, lol. If you'd like I can dig up some scumgames for you. I had only 2 in like, the last 123 years.

TS, I was falling behind on the game. I was not oging anywhere with this, I was just trying to catch up and work with anything that seemed workable. Why do you avoid taking a stance on it, and just ask questions? This looks a lot like the buddybuddying you've done to me in prior games. I know I'm a sucker for this so I'm trying to be aware for these shits nowadays

T-Bone, asmuch as I like you defending me and/or townreading me(or was that Reck? :/ ), could you please elaborate?

(btw I'm on page 11 if you guys aren't following)


HOLY SHIT MOLLIE YAAAAAAA <3
but seriously, Tbone's reaction is assholish >_>

@Copper 267 - why is him "returning" to lurkmode makes him "increasinly scummy"? how is that alignment indicative?
and re: who - nope? why would he be?

NS's 269 sucks loads of butt. PLing a lurker all of a sudden?

oh for the love of god TS and copper you two need to shut the fuck up I'm tired of reading you


I'll keep commenting soon, I wanna eat some.

[shos]

meanwhile this is worthy of being done
UNVOTE: Ceph

(btw, did anyone investigate the score thing yet? does unvoting and voting trully work with it? we can test this very easily if everyone cooperates)

[shos]

Continuing.

current status:
probtown on Ceph
probscum on NS
null-scum on TS
Reck town (added this later)

no other definite reads that I can remember.
~~~
I stand by my townread on Reck.
copper's posts make me sit in unease but as of my own 281's first part(which is right lol) I think I'm just going to flag him as pure null.

Ceph, have you read 281's part that is directed at you? probably commented on it in the future (lol python joke, anyone?) but from the skimming I recall your vote still being on me, so this still stands.

@284 - the idea is not that I agree/disagree with that post at all. I think it's wrong, yes, but that is irrelevant, because the reason I think it is wrong is information that I think a townie may not think of, ergo, this can come from a town mindset. note that I said I *CAN* see how this..etc, not I *THINK* that this..etc. The idea is that it is not a "OH YOU MUST BE TOWN", and rather a, "oh you may be town after all". and yeah, of course these stuff can be faked, everything can be faked. I'm very good as scum, you don't have to teach me. GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE TUNNEL. this is not a me-building-up-for-scumreading-you (I'm not, as of now, in case you missed), this is NOT ABOUT YOU. so it does not even matter if you said this too.

also you need to lrn2quote, *Sigh*, or at least bold what you write inside quotes of others so I know what YOU wrote.
I deserved what? I brought to myself LOADS of votes in thought that I can easily prove myself as town by claiming Inu?Yasha. Hence, I tried to provoke everyone all the way. What eventually happened was that a counterwagon formed for me, and it was on scum, surprise! and then I vigged more scum, etc etc. doesn't matter anymore. I'm pretty sure that if you try and look up my meta you'll find this in MANY games.

if you're town, take a step back, calm down, and look around, it's not a cave, it's a tunnel. get out.

@TS and Ceph; no, I can't *convince* you about that post, it is my gut that says that this comes from a townreck, ok? good. last time I checked it's not like anyone ever gave a reason for why Reck is scum, at all, so why the fuck would I need to be defending him?


can anyone the fuck explain to me why cabd is such a hot topic despite not being there? same goes for me, I guess, in the future?

also, I'm very thorough and paranoid at mylo/lylo!

LOLOLOLOL
you know what I'm talking about baby <3

stress relief XD



TS: 294
"Oh yeah T-bone is a great place to apply pressure"
*votes someone else*
??????????

Ceph, explain mollie townread @307? she barely posted, and this is not enough to distinguish between scum and town mollie through meta.

and what the hell is going onw ith you on p14? :/ I'm really trying to get a good grip with my read on you but you're like a sine wave wtf


I'm going to make an ISO of the VCs and collection of all votes and unvotes to see how stuff go in them. perhaps it's progressive.

NS' 344 is not only parroting of multiple others but also actually uses the same words used by cephrir I think
That slot goes up the scum rank, I think.

Reck keeps being town but

RECK,

why the fuck townread notty for that? he just sheeped you, that's enough for a townread?

will continue from page 15 after lunch.

[shos]

also, I'm very thorough and paranoid at mylo/lylo!

current status:

still null but probtown on Ceph
scum on NS
null-scum on TS
Reck town?

[shos]

Oi, I got carried away with some other stuff, will get back here very soon

[shos]

ONWARDS
~~~~~~~
definitely not satisfied with notty's answer to mollies (correct) push. mark mollie as town here

LLD: why am I scum? (362)

copper's 363 is very unclear to me
can anyone explain to me katscum?

I really want her dead becuase of all the caps but I don't recall anything scummy
..apart from her posts
what the fuck, kats

Ceph, what do you mean that I am being mastin.?

Kats, what the hell is the point of allcaps-ing, and why are you so sure I am scum, and how comes you haven't said it so far?
TS'381 is good, for a change. I hope I'm not just falling to a buddying attempt but it IS true

I'm not feeling good with TS' being on my side
the paranoia of buddying

@Ceph 403: Is THAT the reason you scumread me? REALLY?
was it not obvious to you once I had mentioned InuYasha first time????

Mollie, your unvote of me suggests you're looking at Rhinox, solely for active lurking? have you ever PLed active lurkers before? lately?

oh of course the vote is back on lol. disregard I suppose.

Tbone can be scum if his summary of the entire game by then is those lameish 4 lines in 409.


Katsuki are you a jester
wtf. like on the one hand I'd very much like to vote you right now and on the other I see all the votes piling so quick that it makes sense you're just being scumvoted

Katsuki (5): Iecerint, copper223, Lady Lambdadelta, Cephrir, pirate mollie
This wagon is a good wagon. mark these guys on it as a group of at least 4 townies

Also should be taking some looks at those who lurked so far. it's been a week almost, no excuses

Rhinox,

serious question time: You gave us the reads of your teammate(s? only OS or not). they are contrary to yours. Are you guys discussing this in the PT with each other or are you just throwing it out as a backtracking option?

Reck what the fuck are you talking about?
can youtown please start playing and not spit crap?

..well after reading LLD I realize you may be serious so, if you are, yeah, take your time, this world is stupid.

I don't quite know how to treat TS' L-1 vote on kats. what do you guys think? copper's superquick unvote may be telling, too?

[shos]

Vote Count 1.14

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Katsuki (5): Iecerint, Lady Lambdadelta, Cephrir, pirate mollie, TierShift
shos (2): Rhinox, Katsuki
Cabd (1): xRECKONERx
Cephrir (1): shos
TierShift (1): T-Bone

Not Voting (3): notscience, Cabd, copper223

V/LA: Iecerint (April 8th), T-Bone (April 10th)

Deadline for Day 1 is Wednesday, April 15th, at 12:00 noon EDT (site time).
Countdown to deadline:

(expired on 2015-04-15 11:00:00)

Name	Change	Score
Cabd	-	49
Cephrir	-	48
copper223	-	50
Iecerint	-	50
Katsuki	-	50
Lady Lambdadelta	-	52
notscience	-	50
Rhinox	-	48
shos	-	52
T-Bone	-	50
TierShift	-	49
Who	-	50
xRECKONERx	-	51

EDIT: Vote count corrected as of 453

why is katsuki still at 50 when she has been on L-1

[shos]

roflcopterz for 452

OH
457 is at KATS and not at ME
I was reading on the phone and was all like 'what the hell is wrong with that guy' xD

What's PBPA?

both 471 and 472 say that I am *easily* and *clearly* scum, yet none of these gave a single reason for why they scumread me. halp? LLD? kats?

I don't get why only in page 20 kats posts look like they might be holding some water. even if it's almost only against me, lol, the posts are 10000 times less bad here. but I mean the last couple of pages just look like we retreated back to RVS with bias, if you look at the quality of the posts.

I can live with a kats lynch but I'd rather an NS lynch as of now.


@Rhinox 488 (linked cuz important post IMO)
Can you please explain to me WHY you think I am scum? You are basically attacking a player while he is catching up for not being caught up, it seems. And I don't get it. Also, I'd *really* be interested in more info from your teammates and how these influence you, as people who are supposedly 100% protown for youtown.

self reminder: read cabd's ISO later (please remind me if I forget)

lol ceph your description of my posts in 494 made me laugh loudly

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE WORK WITH ME IN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE SCORE THINGIE

Then when I show up, he immediately reverses course and town reads me.

cabd, can you quote the before, you showing up, and after? help me see this.

self reminder: see those meta links(please remind me if I forget this too)

[shos]

Ceph, wothout responding to everything in 522, I think I can say I see eye to eye with you, more or less. with regards to inuyasha and that strategy of mine - it was probably much more competent in inuyasha because I was InuYasha, so I was like 150% sure that I can confirm myslef totally just by nameclaiming and stuff. Here and in other games it's less useful, and as such it's less radical behavior that I'm using. but either way, the me-not-being-here cut that out quick.

[shos]

Rhinox, can you explain to me 252?

I quoted those because these are important details to remember.

and clearly you haven't seen me try hard as scum, lol. If you'd like I can dig up some scumgames for you. I had only 2 in like, the last 123 years.

Regarding the bolded, that is no answer. Why do you feel those are important details to remember? More importantly, why would you assume that anyone in this game had forgotten or not known about those game rules? And also, why was their a need to remind us of those rules RIGHT THEN as opposed to if/when sometime in the future those rules had any relevance to something going on in the game? The problem I have is that is the type of pointless "Here's some helpful information look how helpful I am I'm such a helpful townie." that scum make instead of doing something useful to find scum.

And I didn't say you were trying hard, I said you were trying TOO hard. As in the things you are going back and digging up are reaches at best. Asking reck if his vote was really srs on cabd is bad because Reck had already gone round with someone explaining why he was srs. And you should have known this because you were keeping up with the game in real time until at least 170 and reck started explaining his srs read as early as 71. And with your ceph vote, we're 10 pages into the game but you go back to page 1 and pick out one vote of ceph's that is a "scumpost" and "worth voting". It's hard to put into words but what you're doing doesn't look like town trying to find scum, it looks more like scum trying to find cases.

Take this for example: in 123 you liked ceph for town. This was Thursday 4/2 at 9:30 AM according to my timestamps. About 24hrs later, in 242 you call ceph12 a scum post and worth voting and you vote. Had you not read that post before? If not, what did you base your ceph townread on 24hrs earlier? For the record you questioned ceph in your second post in the game referencing posts ceph made on the first page so I'm not going to buy that you just didn't catch 12 when it was made.

I'm saying this because I saw people are scumreading me, and it has to be because of gamestart play because I practically wasn't here for like three days so.

can anyone the fuck explain to me why cabd is such a hot topic despite not being there? same goes for me, I guess, in the future?

Lurking or even legit VLA is not a get out of jail free card. Shocking, I know...

OF course this is an answer. why I think those are important? because they are actively influencing the game. Have you played mafia before with plurality? without? that's a grand difference in strategy as scum. for example, if DL was now in 12 hours, and plurality, then all the votes on singles and stuff would be wasted. if Kats is leading, and is town, scum will have no problem staying there, even lurking, through the deadline. if not, they would want to join a townwagon for a mislynch. is this not obvious for you? these are stuff that can be analyzed, and SHOULD be. and knowing the fact that scum have daytalk? are you seriously not seeing the difference between scum with day talk and without?

re: "too hard" - I'm sorry, but when you're catching up you don't yet know what's going to prove useful and what isn't. How would you expect me to work, then? just read up everything and go "oh NS is scum VOTE:"? what's the limit that says, "from here backwards it is useless"? 200 posts ago? 300? 272?

There's nitpicking and there's being thorough. if you think I'm nitpicking, be specific, with examples and stuff. Promise I'll respond.

re: 242 - I dunno what I was thinking at the time precisely. I changed my mind again now, didn't I? or is that not allowed.?
There are 100 posts, of with 23 are ceph's, between 123 and 242. I guess something made me think differently, dunno, maybe the fact that in that while ceph apparantly started scumreading me and voting me? That probably made me more critical of him, I guess? I dunno. I can't invent stuff for you and tell you what I was thinking last week. The fact is that I started rereading, and that caught my eye.

There's one thing you probably don't understand about metown - this goes for the argument above too. I'm going for full clarity as town, I practically spit out everything I think without thinking. Yes, you can claim that the noise/content ratio may become too high this way, but I think that if townies invest their time to the game, then the more they read the more fertile their thoughts can be. Not going to argue on theory. if you still think otherwise, I'll agree to disagree with you.

re: VLA/lurkage - it's not a free card, no, but in most cases, when wagons, discussion, and all that shit happens on a missing player, it is probably led by scum, trying to take hold of the opportunity where they cannot respond and defend.

[shos]

Shos ur walls are too long

Just lemme say this

Would you expect scum-me to take the exact same approach as in previous games? Would you not believe scum-me to fool you for at least a few days?

Will read more thoroughly tomorrow.

WIFOM. totally.
got you once, get you twice, babe <3

Like I'm not even buddying in any way

you kinda do. your posts are not decisive.

[shos]

@mollie: I'd really appreciate it if you gave me...easier links? or more directions, at least. sending me to a bastard large game of 136 pages is not quite the help I expect.

if shos is town Rhinox is my top scumread because he is fanning the flames without exposing himself like Ceph. is doing.

This line is probably the best thing copper said in this entire thread.

[shos]

I'll be reviewing shos but based on the number of players that want his scalp I am starting to think he is town, I don't believe in busses in this setup unless scum is dumb in which case we will win anyway, if shos is town Rhinox is my top scumread because he is fanning the flames without exposing himself like Ceph. is doing.

That's a shit reason to think someone is town. What on earth about this setup says "don't bus" to you? We don't know anything about it, do we?

Ceph, THINK, and shut up until you do -_-

[shos]

10-3 is what this setup tells me.

eh.
disregard me.


I thought that was a crumb for something else.. Y_Y

[shos]

Spoiler: completely irrelevant to the game

ok so I just skimmed the last page and fuck this game

now to see if anyone else on my team wants to take over for me I'm not dealing with this.

stahp being a dramaqueen

my fun level just upped to 11 on a scale of 1-10

I seriously love this playerlist. Rhinox and copper are the only ones I haven't played with, and I really like the names that are near them

[shos]

let me spell it out for you.

THE SCORE THINGY IS A DISTRACTION, AND ANY GUESS WE CAN FORMULATE IS AT BEST JUST THAT, A WILD GUESS.

The best case scenario is that we figure it out! And then scum ALSO know what the fuck it does, assuming they don't already know, so you're giving an informed minority and an uninformed majority information. Guess who uses it better? (also, this is why I think you're scum. I have this suspicion that scum DON'T know what the point system is, and that you, as scum, are trying to not only use that as a way to look town, but also figure it out so you can use that information to your advantage.)

The worst case scenario is that we don't figure it out, and we've wasted a shit ton of pages, thoughtspace and time on a useless endevour.

In EITHER case, people should be focusing on what actually wins us the game: Lynching scum.

That's why no one wants to do it.

Spoiler: Hey

I'm really unsure of whether I want to do the mod-iso-analysis now :/

I'll just do it in the team PT and if needed I'll post here, I guess.


This post is probably coming from town. If LLD is scum, and knows something about it that scum don't want town to know or something, then this will be telling if town finds out about this later. if not, then scum has no reason to stop me from doing this analysis, and distract town, and rob time and effort for funsies out of town.

That means LLD is town, and has to start playing the fuck up, then.

[shos]

K I'm done with the thread. I literally wasted HOURS on this game today. I should work on my thesis somewhen >_>

going for a shower, then I'll read up what I noted myself to read and post it, and if time lets me I'll even analyze the mod today, but not here.

[shos]

OF course this is an answer. why I think those are important? because they are actively influencing the game. Have you played mafia before with plurality? without? that's a grand difference in strategy as scum. for example, if DL was now in 12 hours, and plurality, then all the votes on singles and stuff would be wasted. if Kats is leading, and is town, scum will have no problem staying there, even lurking, through the deadline. if not, they would want to join a townwagon for a mislynch. is this not obvious for you? these are stuff that can be analyzed, and SHOULD be. and knowing the fact that scum have daytalk? are you seriously not seeing the difference between scum with day talk and without?

Great, so you answered the "Why do you feel those are important details to remember?", while dodging the "Why did you need to quote it and post it?" part. Instead you framed it as "Rhinox you are stupid to not see how important these things are", when it really should be clear that I'm not arguing the importance of the things you quoted, but the importance of needing to quote those specific points to remind everyone. As I said already:

The problem I have is that is the type of pointless "Here's some helpful information look how helpful I am I'm such a helpful townie." that scum make instead of doing something useful to find scum.

But maybe I'm wrong. You've done more rereading than anyone in the thread, I'd like for you to show me where you've analyzed anything with the idea that scum have daytalk in mind? I'd like to see a practical example of how you feel the difference between scum with day talk and without have affected your reads.


I'm not done with the rest of your post yet but I have to run right now .

I'd go ahead and call you nitpicking because it actually took me a sec to understand what the fuck you want from me. I mean why not? use occam's razor here for a sec.
option A: X is town and does something useful
option B: X is scum and does something useful in order to look like town

why on earth would you assume B over A? the deed IS useful, so why the fuck care? if I am town, why would I NOT repeat that? especially if we agreed that it is important?

and example I cannot give you for myself because this is mostly useful for later game analysis, but an example can be somewhere that Ceph considered me being coached - as in scummates help you in the daytalk QT/PT.

[shos]

btw lol
while trying to fall asleep it occurred to me tat I have not voted

VOTE: notscience

[shos]

what was the purpose of you lying there, knowingly? are you really hated or are you lying tehre too?

I am really hated. My purpose was to see if someone would try to fuck with the VCA, which would mean that scum were lying and therefore Cabd was town. My role before sort of implied a secondary roleblocker, hence me pushing those who hadn't claimed (see earlier posts) to claim, however I didn't think it through and realize that figuring out who was lying is a crapshoot and at best just means Cabd is town.

Are you going to still be hated in lylo/mylo? because that's problematic.

[shos]

I didn't like how that slot got townbinned for was essentially an emotional response in the same breath as LLD's was ignored (although granted, I agree with ignoring it but)

I also think him putting himself at the mercy of his townreads instead of just keeping it in his team makes me raise an eyebrow.

One is immediately before:

I checked if you were posting elsewhere, Cabd, and that is the only reason I'm not attempting to eviscerate you

It concerns me that I've been townbinned so quickly.

the other is one page before but WOW precisely the same words

reck what do you think of cabd's recent showing

Underwhelming but null

Idk I don't like how he swept Mollie into the town column off basicalky nothing

It doesn't even matter if the people are different, the fact is that it looks like you're trying to get on their good side
why did you use the word 'townbinned', and not say, townread, or anything more normal? coincidence?

[shos]

^^^^this was a response to this

NS' 344 is not only parroting of multiple others but also actually uses the same words used by cephrir I think
That slot goes up the scum rank, I think.

Quote your proof, please.

[shos]

@604:
why is flipping from a mild townread based on 1 post to a mild scumread based on 1 post not possible on a town mindset?

I'm pretty sure that I was not *building up* to a scumread on you. in order to build up something you need to slowwwwly add a straw and another straw and another until you get a haysack and call it scum with it all together. I basically went through the thread and scumread you. this is not work of preparation, this is blatant scumreading.

testing the waters on one of the only two people liable to defend me

??????????????
huh
why is that
1. testing the waters
2. one of the only two people...
3. how comes there are only two people..
???

reasons to scumread me are flimsy and false

Let's test this, can anyone who is

not

NS find a single pont which is either flimsy or false?

and don't you think that you're a little reaching, saying that I am testing the waters on reck, who is one of the only two people who may defend you, after being coached by my teammates, who have said that this one and this one are the only ones etc? wouldn't it be more likely to say that I'm....townreading reck? as I have all game?

cut the shit. looks like you're going for a huge omgus which sucks ass in quality.

~~
How is that quote relevant to me scumreading you..?
That wagon grew fine on a good basis for scumreading katsuki. hence, I think that wagon is comprised of townies, most if not all. THEN, I look at who is on the wagon. that's a standalone read, regardless of what the people in the wagon have posted. how does it not make sense considering my earlier townreads, which are all not on the wagon, but Ceph, whose read was fitting to thsi read?

This looks like you setting yourself up to join kats wagon later and then push me tomorrow.

yup.
If I don't get traction on you, I will probably join the kats wagon, especially if DL appears close. no shame in that. and then, if you're still alive tomorrow, and nothing in flips changes my mind, I will probably push you again. that only makes sense, you know, pushing scumreads and all.

And then "lol havent voted better vote ns"

I don't understand how this is a logical thought pattern at all.

???
what is there not to understand in "I forgot to vote, so here, I vote"?? you know, votes are your tools in the game, it's only logical to use them.?

[shos]

re: 610

you want the conclusion to be seen as "town doing something useful"

Are you dense on purpose? the entire idea is that this is WRONG. I'm not posting to be seen, I'm posting something that I think might be useful. you can argue that whenever ANYONE does ANYTHING protown they "want to be seen as town", but this is crap, too.

so what you're expecting a townie to do is to do twice the work, yes? read up over 300 posts and remember by heart what you want to say, in order to not clog teh thread? that is just not going to happen. I have life, yaknow, even if it IS passover. which of my quesations "have already been answered"?

..bulshit

remind me to give you an example in 2 weeks or less.


and since it does look like nobody is even jerking off at NS' direction, I'll postpone this for tomorrow.
VOTE: Katsuki

@copper: you missed the fact that I didn't actually push for such a PL.

but talking about this..
@NS: you haven't answered to me if you're still hated in mylo/lylo.

[shos]

That vote is L-2.

[shos]

btw lol
while trying to fall asleep it occurred to me tat I have not voted

VOTE: notscience

by the way this vote is pretty stupid, but I can't really see why scum would actually want to lynch notscience today or ever so...

to me it looks like a throwaway vote

And after looking at the VC, I kinda think yours and reck's are vain as well. or do you think cabd has a chance to go sometimes soon?

[shos]

Drunkpost
Infeel evrrybkdy is agaknst me

So fuck this
If heing acyive is drawing votes
Illbe inactive

Fuck thao

[shos]

Reck
Ceph
If you want abswwra then ask me
Ill jiay ignore othera

[shos]

holy fuck, the hangover

I'll be here somewhn

[shos]

this game doesn't look like any other wagon is viable but me and kats.

[shos]

Vote Reck

VOTE: LLD

VOTE: shos

VOTE: shos

Vote Count 1.5

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

shos (2): Rhinox, Cephrir
xRECKONERx (1): TierShift
Lady Lambdadelta (1): shos
TierShift (1): Lady Lambdadelta
T-Bone (1): copper223
Who (1): Cabd
Cabd (1): xRECKONERx
Katsuki (1): Iecerint

Not Voting (4): Katsuki, notscience, T-Bone, Who

Deadline for Day 1 is Wednesday, April 15th, at 12:00 noon EDT (site time).
Countdown to deadline:

(expired on 2015-04-15 11:00:00)

Name	Change	Score
Cabd	-1	49
Cephrir	-2	48
copper223	-	50
Iecerint	-	50
Katsuki	-	50
Lady Lambdadelta	+2	52
notscience	-	50
Rhinox	-2	48
shos	+2	52
T-Bone	-	50
TierShift	-1	49
Who	-	50
xRECKONERx	+1	51

Also I need to test something
VOTE: ceph
VOTE: shos
VOTE: ceph
VOTE: shos
VOTE: ceph
VOTE: shos
VOTE: ceph
VOTE: shos
VOTE: ceph
VOTE: shos
VOTE: ceph
VOTE: shos
VOTE: ceph
VOTE: shos
VOTE: ceph
VOTE: shos
VOTE: ceph
VOTE: katsuki

[shos]

eh ignore the quotes it's leftovers.

[shos]

this game doesn't look like any other wagon is viable but me and kats.

who else do you think we should be wagoning?

I've no problem with that, but if you insist, any of NS and TS are scumdidates imo.

[shos]

I actually don't have anything concrete to present off the top of my head, I just remember scumreading him.

[shos]

you should know that I'm usually successful inscumreading him

[shos]

btw rhinox that post you thought was to you was to lld not ot you

also mollie what do you think of shos not making sense/blatantly misrepping the thread

can we lynch this?

can anyone give me a reason not to, in fact? in consideration of gameplay and claim?

[shos]

Is it like reck to lurk as either alignment? active lurk or something? my townread on him is starting to fade as the game progresses and he's just...not here.

@mollie - what question am I to answer..? must've missed it when drunk?

[shos]

copper, what does 'cagey' and 'weird' mean alignment wise?

I don't thinkt he mala thing stands against iecrint. this is just a mistake; the difference between a lie and an honest mistake is the intention, and I see no scum intentions here. could easily just have wrote somethng that supports their cause, if needed. But no; so I believe the mistake.

[shos]

Alright, legit. But, that means that, basically, you have no scumreads? at all? who are you voting? who would you lynch right now?

[shos]

You're voting TS right now - and yet he's in your 'seem pro town' list. intrigue me.

[shos]

@mollie - you're going to have to look for yourself, if you know what I mean

[shos]

(sorry)

[shos]

I'd like people's opinions on the least and most posters.
namely, Cephrir - top poster, and {cabd, LLD, T-bone} least posters.

my reads on them are currently -
Ceph as town; I've already been through this thoroughly in my catchup posts.
cabd as null-town; simply because there was nothing that I can remember from him apart from the starting discussion on prior roles, which looked town motivated.
LLD as town; the only thing I remember from her is the comment (against me) about the figuring out of the score mechanic, and that was a hilariously townish post.
T-bone nothing. I got absolutely nothing there that I can remember.

[shos]

Townpile:

Cephrir
Lady Lambdadelta

(Leaning town)pile:

Cabd

No idea yet, or still pondering pile:

copper223
Iecerint
Rhinox
T-Bone
mollie

(Leaning scum)pile:

TierShift

Scumpile:

notscience
Katsuki

Unique because I'm sortof townreading him and yet I'm sorta leaning scum on:

xRECKONERx

MOD,

any chance you change "Who" to "pirate mollie" in all the places where it is due?

[shos]

mollie love, when have I ever not been happy to see you?
there was one case where I was scum and played with you, but you were scum with me, so your statistics don't count much xD

[shos]

Cabd starting to look like shit
Dun like how reck is here when he is talked about but not anytime else

Will poat more drom computer

[shos]

It's shocking to me that you can possibly have zero read on all of Rhinox, copper, mollie and Iec.

I'm reading two and a half of them as town pretty handily.

these are aminly people that I don't

remember

my reads on them, would be a better description. if it were something solid, I'd remember.

why are notty and katsuki stronger scumreads than tier whom you said you cld read well?

I can read well, that does not mean I can immediately know. notty and kats posted much more extreme content imo. notty gave me a LOT to work with for that scumread, and kats...well that was a single burst of shitpost(s) and disappearance since then.

why and who do you disagree with me about?

I could be persuaded to vote reck

translation: "I can live with any mislynch, guys, just lead it and I'll join"

or we could not

or we could participate in the game in order to not

Okay fever's gone I'm stable and can post. Incoming stuffsies.

you barely posted shit since gamestart.

[shos]

VOTE: notscience

[shos]

mollie love, by tomorrow I assume I'll be able to show you about TS

[shos]

Are you sure the turtle didn't cheat?

like seriously where's everyone.

[shos]

I have a swell idea

How about cabd catches up and we read him instead of his role

Vote Count 1.29

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Cabd (3): xRECKONERx, Cephrir, Iecerint
Katsuki (2): Lady Lambdadelta, TierShift
TierShift (1): copper223
shos (1): Katsuki
Cephrir (1): notscience
notscience (1): shos
T-Bone (1): T-Bone

Not Voting (3): Cabd, pirate mollie, Rhinox

V/LA: TierShift (April 12th), Katsuki (April 12th), Lady Lambdadelta (April 12th), Rhinox (April 12th)

Deadline for Day 1 is Wednesday, April 15th, at 12:00 noon EDT (site time).
Countdown to deadline:

(expired on 2015-04-15 11:00:00)

Name	Change	Score
Cabd	-	49
Cephrir	-	48
copper223	-	50
Iecerint	-	50
Katsuki	-	49
Lady Lambdadelta	-	52
notscience	-	50
pirate mollie	-	50
Rhinox	-	47
shos	-	53
T-Bone	-	51
TierShift	-	49
xRECKONERx	-	52

VOTE: cabd

VOTE: Cabd

Because I don't want a last second deadline scramble for a lynch.

Can we PRETTY FUCKING PLEAAAAAZZZZZZ

lynch notsci


The firat quote was a "im scum with cabd", the other was "im scum regarfless"

[shos]

Also tgat role is not neg util

[shos]

Copper, explain LLD vs NS?
My townread on LLD relies on one strong townpost(against me), and my scumread on NS relies on loads, how is this even a fight?

Nollie: see shameless mafia. Post 1244(5?) shoupd cover it

[shos]

Dude that is not confbias

He literally said guys lets not vote and let the guy explain and immediately votes when the wagon appears. Either super duper uber recordbreaking forgetful townie, or scum, who at first tried to protect his buddycaughtforwrongreason, and then decides that bussing is better.

[shos]

Also, of all the shit in the game, LLD v NS is what takes your mind? Gonna lol at that and use it after we haz flips

[shos]

*does not know who to scumread more, NS or cabd or copper*

You better give a good reason for why you asked three people to claim, copper.
I agree with ceph about getting hung on that, mollie. it's just the timing.

[shos]

Where has copper...?

now I need to remind myself what I wanted to say when thread was locked..

[shos]

I think Ceph, NS, mollie, and I are pretty town.

I have at times thought Rhinox and shos were pretty town. Mala will get mad at me if I push LLD, but my read on her as cooled a little. Mala piped in and said that shos's reads were bad a bit ago, but I think she just meant normal-bad. Katsuki is off the table til D2.

That leaves Cabd, copper, T-Bone, TierShift, Reck as people that I think might be OK to lynch. Cabd is low-risk, low-reward as he has already claimed. I think TierShift might be the most likely scum at this point tbh, mostly because he's kinda really changed his activity level as deadline approaches and he's not a leading wagon. Copper is only down here because his push on me felt poorly-motivated and opportunistic to me (opportunistic because some people had vaguely expressed suspicion on me without voting in the few pages previous to it), but this will be easier to evaluate as we determine whether any of the people who had pressure at that point were scum.

I seriously need you to walk me very slowly thought how the fuck you townread NS. Also, you need to explain to me why you felt the need to say that you think you are town.

Tiershift is playing much differently than his scumplay. Unless he is a superuber complicated scum like mollie who knows there's someone able to read them good and therefore changes their play drastically in accordance to the playerlist, which I don't think he is, I call him town.

If Cephrir is town he doesn't have a basis to judge how effective anyone's play is without flips, so let's treat that as a scumclaim that he knows I am way off and lynch him, worst case we get rid of useless town, because the comments he is making are good enough for me not to want him around when my win or loss is decided, with a negative utility role.

Also not full claiming there is also basically a scumclaim.

VOTE: Cephrir

Can anyone please explain to me what this guy wanted to say?

[shos]

Since everyone is lurking, and we do not have time, im just going to lay this here:
At 12hrs to DL, im joining any wagon that is viable. Be it cabd, ns, copperslot - grand; elsewhere - fuck you all and all that

[shos]

Rhinix, Kats and LLD are all way through their prodding time

[shos]

But that makes utility lynching in Cabd/T-Bone sound pretty appealing

Yes, let's lynch a player who is barely here and that you've personally had little to none interaction with. And you wonder why you're being scumread...

so seriously
Tboner didn't say shit in days
then the moment he is mentioned he replies in *THREE* MINUTES

this lurking is waaaay off

VOTE: T-bone

[shos]

Also kats is so fucking GAH that I dunno if scum

[shos]

Dunno.
I'm thinking it's a counterwagon to kats, but then again, cabd I think is scum too

[shos]

...you do realize you were scum that game, yes?

[shos]

Also, I don't believe in coincidences, and you coming LITERALLY THREE MINUTES after you're mentiuoned is a thing.

[shos]

my point is that you saying that my idea is not scum-indicative is kinda weak when the only part you can show it happened was when it caught scum

[shos]

Tbone, I don't care if the reason I catch scum is true or not, as long as I catch them, which I did. so no argument ehrere.

[shos]

Are you even aware that you are currently voting yourself?

HILARIOUS

[shos]

What is shos argument here? That I posted too soon in response to Ceph so I must be scum?

No.
my argument is that oyu haven't posted in 4 days and 8 pages, except a proddodge. Then, the moment someone mentions you, you respond; within 3 minutes(!!!!!!).

3 minutes means you were online 0 minutes after the post was posted, and had the time to think, write and post a response. This means you have been lurking on the thread, intentionally, to avoid being talked about.

the possibility that by EXTREME COINCIDENCE the first time you visit the thread is THE MOMENT you are being talked about, well, it exists, I choose to not believe it and, quite practically, comb my ballhairs with it.

Also an option: wipe my butt with it.

pedit:(not because ninja'd, but because I previewed and added[not really])
another option is to hold it tight and shove it up my-- ehm, shoe.

[shos]

Lec, what do you think of T-bone?

1. It's an i.

2. I think he's scummy, but not in a dynamic or exciting way that would make me risk lynching him over Cabd. The only player who fits that bill for me is you, because if you flip scum I think we can infer something from your windows of higher activity and lower activity.

what do you think of my 'case'
above?

[shos]

honestly can't see how he got that and not me

lol
tier's low content is actually town indicative. he's town leader when scum. but the case is not the low content - the case is the intentional lurking and appearing

[shos]

What is shos argument here? That I posted too soon in response to Ceph so I must be scum?

No.
my argument is that oyu haven't posted in 4 days and 8 pages, except a proddodge. Then, the moment someone mentions you, you respond; within 3 minutes(!!!!!!).

3 minutes means you were online 0 minutes after the post was posted, and had the time to think, write and post a response. This means you have been lurking on the thread, intentionally, to avoid being talked about.

the possibility that by EXTREME COINCIDENCE the first time you visit the thread is THE MOMENT you are being talked about, well, it exists, I choose to not believe it and, quite practically, comb my ballhairs with it.

Also an option: wipe my butt with it.

pedit:(not because ninja'd, but because I previewed and added[not really])
another option is to hold it tight and shove it up my-- ehm, shoe.

So obviously the protown thing to do was not post. Is that right? Since the scummy thing was to post according to you. If not, what was the protown response? This is why you are making a dumb argument, because there is no answer or explanation about this, you're just throwing a tried and true shit method up on the wall because for some reason you think activity is alignment-dependent.

Do you know why the thread was locked yesterday? Because I had caught up and realized that Copper had spoiled another on-going game for me, and instead of posting I had to stop everything I was doing to PM the appropriate Mods. So you know, I was already caught up, and the only new posts when I got on this morning were Ceph's. But no, you don't consider things like that because it doesn't fit your narrative. Instead I am scum waiting for the right moment to derail any discussion about me...despite the fact that this isn't the first time that I have gone long periods without a post (it's happened frequently due to outside influences), so again this doesn't even fit your narrative either. The fact that you are so blind to the obvious baffles me, and if weren't for the fact that you have a history of doing this to me, I'd be calling for your lynch in every single post I would ever make from that point on because you are pushing SCUMLOGIC.

The town reaction would be not to react, yes. the pro town thing to do is to react to the GODDAMN EIGHT PAGES YOU IGNORED THAT HAPPENED BEFORE THAT POST.

[shos]

And yes I know, the thread was locked for a short amount of time, I saw it happen live. isn't that just so convenient as an excuse for the lurking. it was locked a full day AFTER your proddodge that was 2 days after your last post.

[shos]

I don't have any experience I can remember with TierShift, so I'll have to defer to your judgment.

My inference was that TierShift's content patterns might have coincided with whether scumfriends were being pressured, etc.

see Shameless game. ended yesterday. metown caught himscum in mylo.

[shos]

Wow shos, are you seriously contending that it was my scum strategy to ask the Mod to look into something potentially game-breaking for me upon my catch-up? If that is the case please never ever play mafia again until you learn what alignment-independent means.

that is the most blatant misrep I have seen in my life. What I was saying is that the mod locking this for a short while is no excuse. you can save drafts, can't you?

[shos]

omfg
VOTE: katsuki


will also lynch:
cabd
notscience
copperslot
tboner


~~~

Rhinox. your teampals are reading the game, right? what are their current thoughts?

these can be useful beacuse in case rhinox ever flips town, we know they are all pro-town, so it earns us 4 conftown opinions instead of just one.

[shos]

no, but I thought yours were following, you mentioned both Oversoul and...someone else at 2 different occasions so I thought maybe. but nvm.

What would you learn from a katsuki scumflip? townflip?

[shos]

when thinking about your chance to be lynched today, I consider two things, the votecount and the deadline. I kinda think 0% is exaggerated. maybe 0% you are MISlynched, yes...

[shos]

VOTE: muffincat

?????????????

[shos]

katsuki should claim by the way

[shos]

on a scale of kats to cabd, I choose kats, but really don't care which one gets lynched.

[shos]

I dont think you arent capable, i just think you dont. Ita not like we playedonly once

[shos]

I think now is the time to everyone choose between the two leading wagons. we don't have TIME. get moving

[shos]

I honestly don't care which one of cabd and kats get lynched.

[shos]

/ragequit



lol
it's ok eddie, it's not you, it's just mollie so perf <3

[shos]

ohai ceph you're back to your ol' avvie! I love it!
Rhinox, youposted, and you're not voting.

[shos]

18. Each Day will have a deadline of fourteen real life days.

In the event deadline is reached before a lynch has occurred, no lynch will occur.

4. The Mafia have daytalk with each other. In addition, the scums' teammates will have read-only access to the Mafia PT.

As a start, these should be repeated in case anyon missed this

I'm just going to lay this here in case someone asks why I put this here

[shos]

also

Countdown to deadline:

(expired on 2015-04-15 23:00:00)

[shos]

shos if only you paid as much attention to what players in the game post as you do trying to be mr. superhelpful townieleader...

lol taking it back, focus lost

But please, we need to have these wagons stop competing because:
1. cabd is scum and may just enjoy lurking to dayend
2. copper is still waiting for replacement
3. mollie is being replaced, we need eddie to catch up...in a day?
-> This could be a strategic move from their team, btw, as a reason to not-vote, if either any of the lynches is on their partner, or if they just benefit from nolynch. if this is, very interesting move, team The Leftovers. Smooooooothh....

4. T-Boner is probscum as well



in other words we don't have enough votes for two competing wagons. either kats people move to cabd, or cabd to kats. I don't care which one.

[shos]

Don't know if we can pull this off but will try definitely
VOTE: tboner

[shos]

T-boner, there's a key point you're missing in mafia I think - scum LIE ALL THE TIME. so me calling you a liar is not a personal attack and not unjustified by any means. you getting all mad CAPS LOCK LIKE THIS is easily faked and stupid and you're using it to ignore the content. And no, your post barely contains anything, considering there's a thousand posts you apparantly missed.

[shos]

Shos, I asked you a question. Have you ever seen something else than my town leader play?

I'll give you an answer in a minute. off the top of the head - you were scum against metown in Shameless, you were town against mescum in Austin Powers, and you were town with metown in Breaking Bad mafia.

you were much, MUCH more dominant as scum than as town. MUCH more active, much more than the pushes that you give here, which appear at least to be genuine.

hence townread.

Okay I read the post and don't really get the reason for calling ceph scum. I also don't understand why you aren't pushing him.

This is a good point. I get the need to unvote yourself, but why not vote your scumread? ever? at all? or give reasons for why he is scum? push? comment? Cephrir has 174(!!!) posts this game, 50(!!) more than me, who is second-top poster. of ALL THESE you cannot give me a case? I don't recall you ever pushing ceph for realz, and if you did, you never followed up on it.

hence scumread. (on top of other things..)

I feel pretty strongly than Cabd is a good lynch at this point.

He should be the pretty clear default lynch and there are substantial attempts to push wagons on other players without a clear differentiating factor and/or whose lynch today has potential issues.

Practically every lynch today of a dozen of people can be great. you want to lynch cabd only because he has already claimed? who are you SCUMREADS? who do you think will most likely yield a scumflip of, say, {Katsuki, Tbone, cabd}?

Also I am sorry for getting mad guys.

dat AtE.
omfg.

[shos]

Practically every lynch today of a dozen of people can be great. you want to lynch cabd only because he has already claimed? who are you SCUMREADS? who do you think will most likely yield a scumflip of, say, {Katsuki, Tbone, cabd}?

I categorically don't want to lynch T-Bone. This is mostly based on his readthrough having been careful enough to pick on copper talking about on ongoing game.

Katsuki might flip scum, but it's not any more likely than Cabd. Katsuki being an ass is just kinda par for the course. Pushing a wagon on him given the softclaim is anti-town. So lynching Katsuki rather than Cabd seems dumb to me, since he's not any more likely to flip scum, and you have the added risk of outing the nature of his role and then lynching Cabd anyway.

Someone you didn't list at all (TierShift) is the most likely to flip scum IMO, maybe more likely than Cabd, but your point (I think it was shos at least) that TierShift is more active and dominant as scum is enough for this not to beat Cabd.

How does that work in T-Bone's favor?
He couldn't know what the mods would decide to do for this matter. Usually, when actual ongoing games are mentioned, this results in a direct modkill, which results in the worst result for the person who committed the offense's faction. This means if scum, the modkill+day continues, if town, modkill+day ends. So unless he had a real good scumread on copper, him mentioning that only acts against him, as far as I can see.

Yes, it was me who defended Tiershift. at first I didn't think so, but later I revisited that with my meta of our games (and the most recent one where he was scum) and changed that.

and you're right, but you get no info from cabd at all, I think. like none. he barely posted shit when the game started, and only now he...has a job apparantly...

[shos]

Iece you're doing this odd thing where you're doing your absolute hardest to always come back to me as your default no matter how many other questions or things other people point out. Why on earth?

this is a good point, btw, Iec. Intrigue me.

I have another flashwagon to try as soon as I figure out this one isn't working

DL too soon.
I think this is going into a 1v1 between cabd and kats. I want kats dead more, although I think cabd will be the winning lynch eventually :/

VOTE: kats

I will be online to hammer anything that is hammerable near deadline.

[shos]

man shos

you are just so wrong so consistently

:/

what about, this time? :/

[shos]

Is he scummy though

Is he actually

I think the wagon was too easy in the first place and I realize I contributed to it

The towniest thing about Cabd is that he got sick and I feel kind of sorry for him for being sick and being lynched. His actual participation in the game has been scummy. A thing that I remember from my readthrough is when someone was suspicious of something, he promised a response, and then he gave a response post SPECIFICALLY TO THAT POINT like a day later while ignoring the actual thread. He was focused on appeasing perceived threats rather than evaluating the thread for content.

The wagon isn't easy when he won't die.

unlike T-bone, who ignored the thread and commented on the LATEST post, which dealt with him.

by default Tbone is scummier than cabd, by this, lol.

[shos]

I've asked my kabal.

Whether he's town for noticing or scum for how he used it after noticing.

Kabal? as in Kabala? wuuuuuut

I'm jewish and I tell you to sheep me, aye?

[shos]

moring..
ohly shit I need to sleep more
I sleep like 3 hours a night lately Y_Y someone ven mentioned that my locatino/posting hours don't make sense, lol

tbone, dat omgus is bad, it's emotional and not rational

[shos]

Ceph the answer should be "yes, obv".

[shos]

Hey eddiee
MS says hi and he misses you
Now catch up quickly.

TS, i DO think ur capable i just think you dont

[shos]

also

Countdown to deadline:

(expired on 2015-04-15 23:00:00)

What Im trying to say is this will be a nolynch day.

[shos]

Looks like it isnt going to cut it. I will be online at deadline, I will hammer anything hammerable, so count me as on all wagons

[shos]

Iec makes me doubt myself becaise kats hasnt claimed

[shos]

Whobthe fuxk is perkyphysics

[shos]

Whobthe fuxk is perkyphysics

[shos]

Kats
Fuck you

unvote

Like, the fact you crumbed so much - does it matter by now if you vlaim or not? Cuz scum already know you are strong PR.

[shos]

I assume he has a reason for the degree of softing he did.

If he doesn't, you can evaluate it when he claims.

I havent been noticing at all, actually; but either way, ive crumbed falsely many times as scum

[shos]

Can anyone point me to the so called softclaims that I missed?

[shos]

Unless bomb, but then it is also killinh docs and watchers

[shos]

I assume he has a reason for the degree of softing he did.

If he doesn't, you can evaluate it when he claims.

I havent been noticing at all, actually; but either way, ive crumbed falsely many times as scum

Dude, I have personally alluding to his crumbing like 100 times as a rationale for the 11th hour push on him being dumb.

also theres this thing called a scum roleblocker that makes this play really awful

I even brought this up as the corollary.

I have not seen any of these crumbs yet.
also, Ihave no idea what 'corollary' and 'allude' mean

[shos]

I'm not buying this shit

if he doesn't claim, I'm staying right
VOTE: kats
here

[shos]

Ceph & sone1 else - vote kats.

[shos]

I mean there is so much reaistance to his wagon since 20 pages ago, and yet NOBODY calls him town apart from iec whose reasoning is basically "he softclaimed". What possible role wants to softclaim so hard, and HAS to live through N1, and does not claim 10 hrs from deadline??

[shos]

Who the hell is yak
Can you please call people by their username

That applies yo anyone and matters not because either you are fooling them or they are your partners, it seems

Your wagon was at L-2/3 since ten months ago
And a billion counterwagons rose against it

[shos]

Also why arent you fakeclaiming already
Town would obv assume theybare foing to be roleblocked by now. At least do something to not be lynched if yoir town

[shos]

do you honestly think there is anything to be lost by claiming now

[shos]

I see t-bone is actually scum though! and that makes me less sure about lynching katsuki

good news is LLD looks kinda town, though I don't fully understand what she's saying about shos (he would be dead by now/you'd be bussing him if scummates -- but you WERE attacking him were you not?)

1. true stuff!
2. why less sure? T-bone is trying to distract so that this day ends with a nolynch.
3. LLD is indeed town and I too don't get that point.
4. LLD you need to step up your activity. I know what it's like to have exams, and your content when ou post is good, but it's not nearly enough

[shos]

It's the best vote because it's on scum. I'm not going to vote for Katsuki (who has been really obvious town the last few pages) or Cabd (who hasn't been here). You are discrediting the vote without context. I'm not the only player who thinks Ceph is scum, at the very least there are other players who have him leaning more scum than town at this stage in the game. Before you go discrediting one-vote wagons get some context first.

1. vote is not on scum
2. you ARE the only one thinking that
3. deadline is like in a couple of hours and you start a new wagon? Do you honestly think any context matters here? your "scum claim" is bullshit, otherwise people would have bothered to comment on it, lol.
4. the fact you are hard defending katsuki makes me feel like you're WKing town at this point.

what are the chances for a speed bonerwagon?

[shos]

I do hope the day ends in a no lynch just so neither of you get the lynch you want. So are you saying that is we run up Ceph to L-1 you won't hammer?

I will defeinitely not hammer Ceph either way, as he is my strongest townread, lol. but question is would you be able to get it to L-5, dude.

[shos]

Eddie and bins

vote katsuki please asap.

[shos]

Vote: Ceph

Yeah there's a scumclaim from Ceph. At the time of this post it was FIFTEEN HOURS since my last post. So what's the point of this? Ceph did this hoping I would fly off the handle and flood the thread again. There is no town motivation in trying to bait me to do so. He continues to pick a fight with Kats, he tried to push a bunch of "flashwagons". I know very few players thinks he's scum, it can be done.

dude your case is practically "oh he said I disappeared" like honestly this case is practically the worst seriousl case I have seen in my entire mafia career. RVS cases are better

[shos]

Tbone, vote kats.

[shos]

God damn it

katsuki, CAN YOU PLEASE ANSWER IF YOU THINK THERE IS SOMETHING TO LOSE BY CLAIMING????

if not, please claim and help our decision.

[shos]

Also I miscounted, the deadline is roughly at the time I leave home at morning to get to the army. so I'll hammer anything hammerable about 10 minutes before deadline xD

[shos]

do you honestly think there is anything to be lost by claiming now

do you honestly think there is anything to be lost by claiming now

do you honestly think there is anything to be lost by claiming now

You've ignored this plenty so far. please stop ignoring.

[shos]

Ceph is scum on your list too? I thought only me, TS and LLD were on the list?

Can anyone who kats is townreading ask him to claim for us. this would greatly help in voting.

take note that it is almost 1.30 am my place.

[shos]

Katsuki, I would must appreciate it if you didn't claim right now.

do you

want

a nolynch?

get into my eyes for a sec. I have a person here who I am scumreading, but softcrumbed a powerful PR the entire game(something I do alot as scum), claimed to be a powerful PR, that has to live through *only* one night, does not appear to care about being roleblocked/redirected/whatever messups scum can use, and despite all chitchat refuses to claim.

what POSSIBLE role can be that? if it's only one night you'd guess it's some 1-shot ability; the fact he doesn't mind blocks and all suggests some kind of commuting, or strongmanship, or anything alike - what possible role fits here???

if it's a 1s strongman vig - it's just not powerful, and he's going to shoot town anyway (either me or ceph, most likely) - so he won't even be roleblocked and will only damage town more;

otherwise - the only thing I can think of is an ascetic 1s cop, which can jsut be killed.


the question that has been repeated is,

What downside can happen from FULLY claiming, considering what you've already claimed?

[shos]

I do.
pedit:

lollercopterz
that actually makes lots of sense :/ more sense than anything you said all game hahahahah
just in case you ARE a vig - I urge you to not shoot me. Even if you shoot another townie, that's better than me.

[shos]

Shos You're already voting him and have asked for a hammer. Why do you need the answer to that question so bad?

LLD do you really think scum having an extra 1shot killing rule makes sense for a mini? I think the simpler answer would be he's just trying to buy a day if he's scum even if he's just a goon.

PS I'm likely phone posting only between now and deadline.

because I am going to be here 10 minutes before deadline and it is most likely that I won't be facing two 6-6 wagons. this means that if I can choose my preferred lynch, it is NOW, not later, and it's 2 am, and a katsuki claim WILL help me decide.

[shos]

lollercopterz
that actually makes lots of sense :/ more sense than anything you said all game hahahahah
just in case you ARE a vig - I urge you to not shoot me. Even if you shoot another townie, that's better than me.

anyone whos still townreading shos after this needs to uninstall.

how so?
that is practically the only legitimate explanation for your behaviour if you are town. see my post above. nothing matches what you said; and VT trolling scum into shooting him is actually a good practice.

[shos]

Ceph, after you reread cabd, please reread kats.
like, after you're all done reading, THEN read kats. because it's likely that both NS, cabd, tbone and kats' ISOs will lead you to be OK with lynching them. so be OK with lynching kats last, lol, and then vote kats. I'm done arguing with him; he's reluctant to cooperate even when I gave him the benefit of the doubt and was literally ready to let go, but this insistence makes me think he is just lying through his teeth.

Bins, Reck is hardly the one to sheep this game. I'd pick Ceph to sheep, if anyone.

[shos]

NS convince others to bus your partner pleaz
I'm going to arrange a bag and uniform for tomorrow, then I'm out.

[shos]

Bins, Reck is hardly the one to sheep this game. I'd pick Ceph to sheep, if anyone.

my ceph read is unstable

He's the current town leader imo. he's practically the only one who was acive the entire day, pushed cases and followed up on his own questions, etc etc, easy to build a towncase over here.

Reck, on the other hand, while I think he's town yet(but unstable), has posted very little and often fluff that is characteristic of reck; he's made only a single push in this game that I can remember - on cabd - is legit but weak.


pedit:
bone - you're voting cephrir. I have no idea why you're wasting your vote 4 hours to deadline. my scumread sits on you beautifully.
if you want to contribute your vote, I'll be glad. I'd also be glad to know what your opinion re: kats claim is, but you may have already stated this, so.

[shos]

eh fuck it
just lynch cabd, I don't care.

if there's a 6-wagon come morning, I'm hammering.

good night.

[shos]

FML
I don't even

*sigh*
care

I'll hammer in the morning anything hammerable.

[shos]

K so done with packing my stuff

3:42 a.m
I'm nuts aint I
anywayyyyyys I'll hammer in 3 hours if the day is still on. hopefully Kats will die and I won't have to.

[shos]

Kats - Don't target me.

[shos]

So, I am/was surprised at 4 things:
1. kats got lynched over cabd
2. kats was town
3. kats role was superlame
4. the hammer vote has been nightkilled

the flip is 1-shot miller though; that suggests we have loads of cops, not only one.

[shos]

So eh. Who thinks that T-boner is scum?

[shos]

The score changed, iirc, only on VCs 16 and 5 or 15 and 6. I'm following. I've no idea what that is but I'm sure it'll turn up somewhen.

[shos]

nop
I'm just a little dazzled at how the hell the katsuki wagon went through
I went to sleep thinking that 99.9999% cabd dies. This suggests, imo, that cabd IS actually scum; but it could really just be coincidence - both wagons were high.
if cabd flips scum, I'm gonna swarm through the katsuki wagon for scum.

[shos]

Do you think Tboner is scum? wink wink?

[shos]

nvm
I *am* scumreading Tbone

too

[shos]

Could you sum up your current reads, TS, in two sentences tops per read?

Did the flips make you reconsider?

[shos]

I can tell you that cabd, LLD, reck are all 150% useless lynchbait this game, imo, and I think they are all town, mayyyyyyyyybe cabd js scum. Only because of the kats flip, though.
The reason I townread LLD can be found somewhere, it is just one ubertownie post.
I honestly dlnt remember by now why reck is town.

[shos]

Also brb i need explanatin on ns town

[shos]

Your buttom line is that you wanr to lynch two lurkera indelendently
This i dont like

And hownthe hell os ns npt scummy i muatve missed it????

[shos]

Sorry i misses it im om phone during class lol

[shos]

K im done but im hungry and out of battery so ill respond from comp later

[shos]

Alright so you say you believe NS is town for not omgusing me, basically? Thats how I see it, not a misrep.

If NS is town, that means you believe his claim to be hated-but-only-if-it-is-not-lylo?

[shos]

See page 26 for discussion of NS' claim.
Tell me if you think he is speaking the truth.

[shos]

so, why the fuck would you claim these now?

[shos]

UGH CAN YOU PLEASE STOP TALKINGABOUT ROLES YOU ARE

UGGHGHHH

[shos]

SHOS....SHOS.... I'M A INNOCENT CHILD....

wat

what?

[shos]

I am a miller.

Katsuki, When the Mod Forgets to Lock the Thread, a 1-shot Miller Thread Unlocker aligned with the Town, was lynched Day 1.

I asked my team for thoughts on this during the night.

One said Autolynch.
One forgot ceph claimed miller but basically shrugged and said ceph felt scummy to them all game.
One said yeah, probably scum.

So ceph has jumped up pretty high onto my list of desireable lynches for today.

----------------------------------------

the flip is 1-shot miller though; that suggests we have loads of cops, not only one.

Given kats comments I think the 1-shot refers to his thread unlocking ability. Not 1-shot miller, whatever that would be.

nop
I'm just a little dazzled at how the hell the katsuki wagon went through
I went to sleep thinking that 99.9999% cabd dies. This suggests, imo, that cabd IS actually scum; but it could really just be coincidence - both wagons were high.
if cabd flips scum, I'm gonna swarm through the katsuki wagon for scum.

This is so cheeky-scum posting. YOU voted kats. You pushed for kats lynch. "oh tee hee kats got lynched? wow thats surprising totally didn't expect that" please... so fucking cheeky.

We need to have a talk about a few things shos.

1) Explain this post:

@mollie - you're going to have to look for yourself, if you know what I mean

2) Why were you so averse to voting Cabd? Over the last 48hrs of D1 you called Cabd scum, you said you would hammer either cabd or kats and reiterated that throughout the day. You called for town to focus in on Cabd or Kats because "ZOMG NO LYNCH" but then you tried to speed wagon tbone and humored the thought of a speedwagon on ceph even closer to deadline. By the end of the day you were all "rah rah everyone vote kats nao" and when you went to bed you seemed dejected cabd might get lynched with your whole "fuck it don't care just lynch cabd". And now today after you waffle on Cabd in 1401 you call him useless lynchbait who is only maybe scum but only because of the kats lynch. But back in 1071 you said Cabd was scum. So what happened between 1071 and 1401 that made you think Cabd is town, expect maybe only scum based on not his play but kats flipping town?


to be continued...

1. didn't even think about it re:millers. interesting
2. didn't think about that, either, I guess you're right
3. I did vote kats but when I went to sleep I was SURE the lynch wasn't going to happen. you can't deny thsi was what it looked like.
4. that was an ongoing game, and it has now ended. check it out.
5. I was averse because I wanted kats dead.

[shos]

It's like, katsuki died, and then all tensions of the game are gone?

what happened to all those who pushed cabd so hard? a counterwagon townflip made you think he's *town*?

This kinda sounds to me like scum were NOT on the katsuki wagon, and were bussing cabd - and now that the pressure's off they're just lurking in the shadows.
I mean seriously, where is everyone? there's much talk(good!) in these last 3-4 pages, but count the votes???

[shos]

that can be, the question is what you actually think happened

and who do you scumread now.

[shos]

meh
probably split in the two wagons
LLD made you feel town because of that one townie post but seriously lurking so far into the game is dangerous. she literally has the same amount of posts as cabd.

I'm not sure I'm trusting T-boner. that is super easy to fake, and he has yet to answer why he felt the need to claim now?

[shos]

Because I wanted to see what you'd do.

That's the quote.

I mean, seriously. why the fuck would a tracker/cop/investigative role of any kind out that he is "for reactions"?

:/

[shos]

Because I wanted to see what you'd do.

That's the quote.

I mean, seriously. why the fuck would a tracker/cop/investigative role of any kind out that he is "for reactions"?

:/

I did answer but let's pretend I didn't because that fits your narrative better. Just like I used some extremely under handed tactics because I am scum and that's the type of player I am. Whatever fits your narrative.

Are you reading my posts? see the above.

your constant confbiasing in one direction or another irritates me

also this.

[shos]

pagetop
*eats popcorn*

continue.

[shos]

what.

it's right there. literally.
it says so.
"Because I wanted to see what you'd do."

I'm not following your moonlogic and am willing to 1v1 this crap

[shos]

I'm sorry, how is 'people want to lynch me' a reason to claim? wouldn't that lead to massclaim early every game?

[shos]

But that doesn't fit your narrative so you left it out of the post that you quoted, because that is the part that answers why I outted my information that I had. But you're not willing to highlight anything that doesn't fit your nonsensical 'Bone is scum' narrative.

Let's recap for the folks at home why Shos is an active detriment to finding scum. He based his reads on alignment INDEPENDENT reasoning, he accuses players of unsportsmanlike conduct, and he leaves stuff out that doesn't fit his narrative.

like, what the fuck are you talking about?

[shos]

what the fuck are you talking about, man
like seriously I have no idea what you are talking about

WHY DID YOU CLAIM???

[shos]

WHY DID YOU CLAIM???

[shos]

I'll jsut post that "people scumread me" is not good enough and "I wanted to see hwo people react" is also not good enough. because people always scumread you, and people always react when you claim, regardless of when. and this was just poor bullshit imo.

[shos]

/off to sleep
VOTE: T-bone