Mod Error Mafia [TM2015] - Game Over

Wed May 06, 2015 1:52 am

In post 3240, Wisdom wrote:@ns

Tier is my only townread other than you right now, and the only person I am not touching. Your reasoning on him is identical to mine on Ceph, so excuse me if I don't care about it.

I lol'd.

Why is he possibly a townread?

In post 3244, shos wrote:Tgat has relevance to my role

Wed May 06, 2015 1:59 am

Do you just not even care if other people can follow your logic and agree with you

Wed May 06, 2015 2:37 am

I'm not sure you understand how this game works.

Wed May 06, 2015 3:27 am

Thought of a reason T-Bone might claim he blocked Rhinox: he killed Rhinox and as mentioned previously is afraid of trackers

I thought of this as I realized my desire to lynch him is seriously waning

Wed May 06, 2015 3:31 am

There are plenty of reasons that could be the case. I don't find speculating on scum's choices for who to send is very useful, since in my experience they do not choose particularly well.

T-Bone could easily just be the most expendable, though.

Wed May 06, 2015 3:38 am

In post 3258, Wisdom wrote:That's fucking bullshit. Why risk their kill failing? Why risk tbone getting caught even if he was expendable (which I personally don't see but whatever)?

If T-Bone is scum, there probably isn't a town roleblocker.

In post 3260, Wisdom wrote:It's a no-brainer you don't send your most suspicious to carry out the kill, ffs.

I've done it >_>

They also know there's a tracker, presumably -- so why risk someone useful getting caught when T-Bone checked out days ago?

Wed May 06, 2015 3:39 am

In post 3259, xRECKONERx wrote:
In post 3253, Wisdom wrote:What's troubling you in particular, Reck?

We have no dead scum and yet every time I look at any player I have huge doubts about whether they're scum or not. I can literally talk myself out of any lynch in the game at this point which is terrifying, scum are playing very well.

Pretty much this

Wed May 06, 2015 5:51 am

T-Bone could just not be a roleblocker, though that is perhaps farfetched.

Wed May 06, 2015 6:04 am

The only reason I can think of for them thinking that is if Rhinox protected T-Bone night 1, which I very much doubt.

Wed May 06, 2015 6:33 am

In post 3271, Iecerint wrote:Or if he protected another scum. More and more likely as no one claims

T-Bone got the tracker result. If another scum was protected by Rhinox (unless said scum was Wisdom MAYBE???), they would pretty much know that Rhinox couldn't possibly be the tracker.

Wed May 06, 2015 7:25 am

My team has made a decent point involving Reck possibly being town. I do think he's capable of being a crafty bugger but This would leave us with a pool of 4 (assuming Wisdom town), and we don't think shos and T-Bone can be scum together.

Everything that springs to my mind always seems too easy even so.

Wed May 06, 2015 7:28 am

They think his recent emotions have seemed genuine and in line with what town should be feeling (and we're feeling it too, so).

I honestly don't remember why you think T-Bone can't be scum without Reck though I'm quite sure you've said so; but I am considering voting for neither of them.

Wed May 06, 2015 7:44 am

In post 3294, Iecerint wrote:it's also possible that T-Bone is a scum roleblocker who blocked your slot.

this

Wed May 06, 2015 7:46 am

In post 3293, Wisdom wrote:If you and Reck are town, I am quite sure that at least one of Tbone's scumbuddies would join the counterwagon. That to me means either Reck is the buddy who joined the counterwagon, or you (Ceph) are also scum.

Iec has made noises about voting for me at some point or another.

Wed May 06, 2015 7:47 am

(though I'm getting further from lynching t-bone today every passing second, so possibly moot)

(also I thought iec did actually vote me for a little while, but I could be wrong)

Wed May 06, 2015 8:12 am

Yes, but it was pretty understated as evidenced by literally everyone saying they forgot or didn't notice

Wed May 06, 2015 8:18 am

The argument is that the claim didn't include the word "day"

Therefore only a message recipient could know claiming a block on wisdom was safe

I think it's a reach

Wed May 06, 2015 9:44 am

the above post gave me cancer

Wed May 06, 2015 9:49 am

In post 3316, shos wrote:In my eyes, the fact that we have gone so much time into the day and literally no wagon rose over 2-3 votes means we're on the right track. there's much resistance to what seems to be ALL wagons? when does that happen? when the wagons are on scum.

When the town is dithering and can't come to an agreement. Basically you're saying "scum haven't all piled on one wagon yet therefore all the wagons are scum except actually hang on I think only 1-2 of them is scum and the scum aren't piling on a counterwagon because ???"

There's just no logic to this post at all.

In post 3316, shos wrote:sooo I think that since me, tier and reck aren't quite the popular wagons everyone thinks will go throguh, I bet this is at least one scum voting, and at least 1 or 2 scums in the other wagons - {Tbone, Ceph, Iec}. this fits with my previous theory of Tbone and Iec scumtogeter, so I'm still leaning on checking that way.

This is a totally fucking random conclusion.

In post 3316, shos wrote:it really doesn't look like any new arguments are being considered. it's all blabber of, we have X events, each one rates it differently by order of importance and alignment-telling level, and it's a dead end.

You clearly aren't paying attention. We're discussing nuanced looks at the things we know. My opinions are shifting at the least -- I wanted to lynch Reck & T-Bone 5 pages ago and I don't think I want to lynch either of them now.

In post 3316, shos wrote:I offer a suggestion - we choose two/three wagons and focus on them. ifsomething new arises, of course, everyone can offer a new one; but for now, focus on less.

How about we scumhunt instead

What is this supposed to do? "Everyone stop your vanity wagons, but I'm not saying which ones to stop, and also it's ok to start new vanity wagons"

Wed May 06, 2015 9:54 am

No wonder you're scumreading me then, you can't read

Wed May 06, 2015 9:58 am

I have been restraining myself from voting tiershift on poe in nearly every post I've made in the last few hours.

Wed May 06, 2015 10:00 am

oh look at wisdom having a simplistic view of the gamestate

Wed May 06, 2015 11:09 am

In post 3334, Wisdom wrote:
In post 3331, Cephrir wrote:oh look at wisdom having a simplistic view of the gamestate

yeah the sad part there's nobody who can follow me in this playerlist so scum can counter me with sarcasm like this

People must mindlessly sheep you elsewhere, because there is nothing to follow when you don't post your reasoning.

In post 3341, shos wrote:ceph, I admit I might have missed a couple of things over the last 10 pages or so, my last few days were bad; but I still think what I said in that post is good. yes, I'm saying drop vanity wagons and focus on one scum by one, and not the entire scumteam by itself. Games are *usually* not breakable by looking at roles. we don't have copouts apart from NS - does that make it OK to have *SIX* wagons, each with 1-2 votes?

Yes, it does. It's not like the deadline is tomorrow.

In post 3341, shos wrote:could you explain to me how focusing on 2-3 wagons is scummy in your opinion?

It's a useless thing to say and obviously isn't about to happen because you said so.

In post 3341, shos wrote:you extremely oversimplified my post when you mocked me over there. the idea is simple. really. is there anyone that thinks that ALL three of ceph, Tbone, and Iece are town? no? I thought so. so why not pick your scummy lot of these, and work with these?

There are nine players in this game. Does anyone think that all three of shos, reck and tiershift are town? I didn't think so. that makes exactly as much sense as what you just said.

In post 3341, shos wrote:"Because TS is scum too" - cool, ok, work with that tomorrow. the game is stagnating. in the previous weeks our posting rate has been MUCH higher imo. right now, it seems like a yes/no/but wait/no/yes bickering for 10 pages.

We are debating our options. It's called mafia, try playing it!

We don't exactly have oodles of fucking days to spare here.

Wed May 06, 2015 11:12 am

Magua's superpower is instant pagetop grabbing.

Wed May 06, 2015 11:32 am

vca is trash

pedit: wisdom i'm aware of your reputation and ive thought you were pretty good in games i've watched but playing with you blows

Thu May 07, 2015 2:14 am

Town hates this game.

Thu May 07, 2015 2:52 am

Thu May 07, 2015 3:07 am

Are you a mastin alt

Thu May 07, 2015 3:21 am

She makes those "specifically invite everyone to vote my wagon" posts every now and then, and it's sort of a pet peeve. She's great and all but that is just the most annoying thing to me.

Thu May 07, 2015 3:44 am

People aren't saying grey is obvtown??

Thu May 07, 2015 3:47 am

In post 3383, Wisdom wrote:Ask him, does he have much experience with Ceph? Is that meta read confident, or is he basing it off one game or something? Also don't forget this is Team Mafia, namely a big deal.

I've played with him a few times. For what little it's worth, I have three types of games. Apathetic town, engaged town, and engaged scum. I am never apathetic scum. I'm less apathetic now than I was before, but I'm far from on a roll. I'd have much clearer reads and pushes, and in fact would look more town, if I weren't town.

Thu May 07, 2015 3:55 am

i'm aware that it's self meta.

that's why i'm only mentioning it now.

if the right people were in this game, they could tell you it's true, but they're not.

granted i have tried to fake apathy as scum before for that reason -- but i'm not very good at it.

Thu May 07, 2015 3:56 am

In post 3391, Wisdom wrote:
In post 3385, Cephrir wrote:People aren't saying grey is obvtown??

That's what MS meant, he thinks grey is obvtown and doesn't get why people don't also think that

I am agreeing with him in sentiment. I just thought people were saying that.

Thu May 07, 2015 3:57 am

In post 3392, Wisdom wrote:
In post 3387, Cephrir wrote:and in fact would look more town, if I weren't town.

My problem is precisely that you look very town

That's why I have been gut scumreading you

On a relative scale, I don't think I do.

I'm really good at looking town when I want to. It's kinda my thing.

Thu May 07, 2015 4:05 am

I'm tempted to link to "my best," but it seems irrelevant.

Thu May 07, 2015 4:06 am

Wow, both semantics AND wrong! Nice!

Thu May 07, 2015 4:11 am

Saying his claim is scummy and saying it fits as a scum role are the same thing.

MS doesn't know what he's talking about, then

Just because I say a lot of words doesn't mean I'm successfully giving a shit, I have nothing better to do at work.

Thu May 07, 2015 4:29 am

In post 3412, Wisdom wrote:also lol @ "based on nothing". Every single change I have made is crystal clear and everyone can tell what I am thinking and why at any given moment.

I have to disagree with you there.

In post 3415, Wisdom wrote:shos is actually right now that I think about it. It's a misleading thing and fits scum more than town

This, however, is true and has occurred to me.

In post 3421, xRECKONERx wrote:Bins: Conditional Cop
Cabd: Limited Vote Mover
Cephrir: ???
GreyICE: Night Action Checker Thing
Iecerint: ???
Katsuki: 1-shot Miller Thread Unlocker
notscience: Hated Townie?
Rhinox: Loud Doctor
shos: ???
T-Bone: Roleblocker
TierShift: ???
Wisdom: Day Messenger
xRECKONERx: Points Awarder

did i fuck anything up here

You missed my claim. I'm a Miller Vote Switcher.

Thu May 07, 2015 4:34 am

I can't help looking at this setup as is and going, "how the fuck is this balanced?"

Thu May 07, 2015 4:36 am

If it says "you recieve a message" I don't see how anyone could think it was from the mod.

Thu May 07, 2015 4:39 am

Reeeeeally don't think anyone is that dumb.

Thu May 07, 2015 4:41 am

Also don't think this argument has any point though.

I need to iso the people who give me the most heebie jeebies I guess

Pedit @Wisdom: Just because he is wrong about whether your role could be used for fuckery doesn't make him scum. I'm thinking about it, but [grumbling noises].

Thu May 07, 2015 4:42 am

Basically, my concerns:

-I'm not sure Reck is more likely to flip scum than shos/iec/tiershift.
-If he does flip town, we might do something stupid tomorrow, like lynching me, or something possibly dumb, like lynching t-bone

Thu May 07, 2015 4:43 am

In post 3453, Wisdom wrote:His whole point is "omg but there are other misleading roles, having this misleading role doesnt make me scum, leave me alone"

and he is arguing against logic because he cant just drop that

If all bad arguments were from scum we'd have lynched shos a really long time ago.

Thu May 07, 2015 4:45 am

I don't think getting mod/shos input will hurt here. You could potentially ask as well, Wisdom.

Thu May 07, 2015 4:51 am

It has only just now occurred to me that the tracker probably didn't show up today on account of sending their result to rhinox

sorry for being off topic

Thu May 07, 2015 4:52 am

In post 3468, Wisdom wrote:
In post 3461, Cephrir wrote:I don't think getting mod/shos input will hurt here. You could potentially ask as well, Wisdom.

Ask what? My role PM states it is noted as not being from the mod. That tells me all I need to know.

But even if it didn't, it's a no brainer that "you received a message" means "you received a message". Even preschoolers would get this.

precisely what format your messages arrive in.

Thu May 07, 2015 4:54 am

In post 3472, Wisdom wrote:
In post 3469, xRECKONERx wrote:Why am I scum, Wisdom?

Because of everything I've said and won't repeat. I don't make cases.

I like cases

Thu May 07, 2015 4:55 am

In post 3482, Iecerint wrote:Cabd's ability, too.

How is this all you have to say right now

Thu May 07, 2015 4:56 am

In post 3487, T-Bone wrote:
In post 3458, Cephrir wrote:
In post 3453, Wisdom wrote:His whole point is "omg but there are other misleading roles, having this misleading role doesnt make me scum, leave me alone"

and he is arguing against logic because he cant just drop that

If all bad arguments were from scum we'd have lynched shos a really long time ago.

Dammit Ceph I love you <3

You seemed to hate me earlier! Is this half assed buddying?

Thu May 07, 2015 4:58 am

In post 3495, T-Bone wrote:
In post 3475, Cephrir wrote:It has only just now occurred to me that the tracker probably didn't show up today on account of sending their result to rhinox

sorry for being off topic

Or its one-shot or someone was just fucking with me. Like I feel like something is wrong because compared to everyone else my role is mundane.

I mentioned this in my team QT. I am glad you noticed.

Thu May 07, 2015 4:59 am

Thu May 07, 2015 5:04 am

T-Bone, I'd love it if you could take me through what the fuck actually happened with your slip-up at some point.

Thu May 07, 2015 6:00 am

If I was to vote right now I might vote for Iec so you probably shouldn't push me to do it yet

Thu May 07, 2015 6:27 am

In post 3546, Wisdom wrote:
In post 3535, Wisdom wrote:ok, let me put this another way.

What is your stance on shos vs Reck?

Ceph this is at you

My stance is that it's not really a dichotomy. Brian would rather lynch shos. I think I would rather lynch Reck, even though the prospect of losing to scum shos fills me with sadness.

In post 3553, Wisdom wrote:
In post 3549, xRECKONERx wrote:It's A FUCKING ATTEMPT TO UNDERSTAND YOUR THOUGHTS AND TALK ABOUT IT

No, it's an attempt to whine about there being no reasons you can defend against. Because that's what scum want, cases they can fight against. It annoys them having nothing to defend against. That's your problem.

Lack of case annoys everyone. Also, I don't think Reck's behavior over the last 5 pages is indicative of anything at all.

Is it just me, or does T-Bone disappear every time I start to question him?

Thu May 07, 2015 6:27 am

Also, I am trying to meta Iec and finding he plays the same way all the time :/

Thu May 07, 2015 6:36 am

In post 3573, Wisdom wrote:Take a fucking stance.

I'm trying. Mafia is hard.

In post 3575, Wisdom wrote:
In post 3569, Cephrir wrote:Lack of case annoys everyone. Also, I don't think Reck's behavior over the last 5 pages is indicative of anything at all.

It is clearly AtE and discrediting. There is no fucking way you can look at it and find it not indicative.

Is it just me, or does T-Bone disappear every time I start to question him?

Yeah try to distract us off Reck, why don't you

It is ATE, so I think I'm doing a damn good job staying with my head above water and not giving in to townreading it.

It's a legitimate concern. He seems to be reading the thread but always avoids that question.

Thu May 07, 2015 7:02 am

In post 3604, Iecerint wrote:Another part of my hesitation is that TierShift is still on V/LA and might say something interesting.

My hesitation is that tiershift is on vla and is probably scum

In post 3605, Iecerint wrote:FWIW IMO Reck's Guy Fawkes masks I think are more consistent with scum wanting to troll a bit on his way out, re: your concern that people would somehow infer town intent in his behavior.

His frustration is obviously real. That just doesn't make it town.

look wisdom, i'm waffling!

Thu May 07, 2015 7:04 am

you're right, this is much better than t bone's implosion!

Thu May 07, 2015 7:15 am

Well, if that's how it's going to be, it really doesn't matter that I'm still waffling.

VOTE: Reck

Thu May 07, 2015 7:16 am

Thu May 07, 2015 7:18 am

there there chrome

im so sorry you had to load that

come give me a hug

Thu May 07, 2015 7:19 am

i think you have decided not to play anymore, so your alignment, which i'm still uncertain of, is immaterial to the fact that we need to lynch you

Thu May 07, 2015 7:21 am

well two of those things aren't going to happen and the third won't if you're town

Thu May 07, 2015 7:23 am

I am not lynching wisdom

no one else is either

Thu May 07, 2015 7:25 am

still really want answers from tbone today :I

Thu May 07, 2015 7:30 am

I hate this game.

Thu May 07, 2015 8:00 am

In post 3668, Iecerint wrote:
In post 3666, xRECKONERx wrote:so you think im scum because of my claim? that's it?

fucking brilliant

Can I think of an explanation for how you played this game given your role if town?

No, I cannot.

That's enough for me.

T-Bone is in a similar boat, but it's a higher-risk/higher-reward situation.

Your hesitance around tbones role is weird

it's 6-3, i just want to lynch scum

In post 3676, Wisdom wrote:VOTE: iecerint

wisdom are you a third party who wins when everyones brain explodes

Thu May 07, 2015 8:01 am

iec i would love a claim from you since i think everyone should claim anyway. do i need to vote you to accomplish that?

Thu May 07, 2015 8:03 am

intent to 4th vote

Thu May 07, 2015 8:03 am

In post 3686, Iecerint wrote:What the fuck is weird about it?

He's a motherfucking roleblocker.

if we had lynched any scum ever this would be valid

i think we will assuredly lose if we dont lynch scum today so that is all i actually care about

Thu May 07, 2015 8:20 am

I'm not sure that makes us dumb. That was not obvious to me at all.

Thu May 07, 2015 8:25 am

In post 3697, Wisdom wrote:That's not what Amnesiac means.

Yes it is

Thu May 07, 2015 8:29 am

Oh, I thought it always worked that way too... I've only seen one other amnesiac role and it worked this way as well.

Thu May 07, 2015 8:37 am

VOTE: tiershift

pedit: above thing is true.

Thu May 07, 2015 9:06 am

In post 3744, Iecerint wrote:
In post 3741, xRECKONERx wrote:I could probably deal with a T-Bone lynch? Every gut read I have on him says he's town but like... he's such a giant ?

One cool thing about lynching T-Bone is that removing the scum roleblocker means that either Grey or me will be able to get results into the game for D4. Otherwise scum can kill one and block the other.

We could just hard-require that T-Bone can't block either of us, but who the fuck knows what he'll do, so.

We should make T-Bone block me. It's provable and harmless. If he's scum you and grey get to act.

In post 3747, Iecerint wrote:
In post 3739, Wisdom wrote:dont play good guy to me. you fakeclaimed successfully, congrats, now wait for someone to mislynch tier so you can be happy and win

In post 3743, Wisdom wrote:blahblahblah

OK, I need a neutral perspective here.

IMO this is beyond the pale. I am being extremely clear in pointing out why Wisdom's logic doesn't make sense.

Could it be that Wisdom is simply scum and Who switched out tactically or whatever? Is his scumteam meta-aware of his role preferences?

I WENT THERE LORD JESUS.

Nah. He's just gone off the deep end.

Thu May 07, 2015 9:07 am

I'm not even townreading him for Who but rather for mollie's actual play, as well as his own

Thu May 07, 2015 9:34 am

In post 3766, T-Bone wrote:ALSO CEPH I'M RIGHT HERE SO YOU CAN CHILL THE FUCK OUT ABOUT MY ACTIVITY.

that was never my concern

i keep asking you to explain how you fucked up telling us your night action

i am now asking you again

Thu May 07, 2015 9:55 am

oh, i missed that post

it's not very satisfying

Thu May 07, 2015 10:01 am

In post 3784, T-Bone wrote:Is it just me or does Ceph whine about my posts and then gloss over them every time anyway to push his rhetoric???

i do that to everyone

Thu May 07, 2015 11:05 am

I don't do it on purpose. It's just me.

Thu May 07, 2015 3:26 pm

T-Bone, please block me. THis is not about blocking a kill. Hell, on these numbers, I don't even want to block the kill. I want you to prove you're a roleblocker, and prevent you from fucking with the investigative roles if scum.

I think we should all agree to lynch T-Bone tomorrow if my ability resolves.

Thu May 07, 2015 3:31 pm

Do you really want to open tomorrow on 8 players and have to decide whether scum wifomed a no kill and/or tbone is scum wifoming a no kill and faking a block on a townie

that sounds like a really fucking shit day to me

Thu May 07, 2015 3:32 pm

I want you to waste your block

That is the point

Thu May 07, 2015 3:34 pm

I foresee a world where no tracker result appears tomorrow and you claim iec must have sent it to the dead guy

I don't see much use in letting someone have a roleblock who thinks blocking rhinox is a good idea

Thu May 07, 2015 3:39 pm

I would be less opposed to using it if we lynch scum today

Thu May 07, 2015 3:43 pm

I imagine six of us do

Fri May 08, 2015 1:31 am

In post 3830, TierShift wrote:Hi ceph why are you voting me?

I'll be away for a while now but I just might be confirmable overnight so wait the fuck up

Because I haven't ever been inspired by your posts, I felt as though you and Iece have been sitting on the sidelines and one of you practically has to be scum and he just claimed tracker

What do you mean by confirmable

Fri May 08, 2015 5:35 am

why isn't there a claim in this thread right now

Fri May 08, 2015 8:08 am

I've said it a few times.

You say a lot of words but somehow never seem involved.

Fri May 08, 2015 8:09 am

Maybe because you haven't really been getting attacked or called town? Dunno.

Fri May 08, 2015 11:45 am

Fri May 08, 2015 12:40 pm

I am done being paranoid about Iec as of 3854.

Fri May 08, 2015 12:42 pm

Tier, shos, T-Bone?

Fri May 08, 2015 1:17 pm

In post 3860, shos wrote:Theres no way a follow the cop would be possible in TEAM MAFIA.

VOTE: tbone
I should never have left that wagon

What if I told you

Scum could have other workarounds, and are probably ~lying~ about them.

What if I also told you I think two of the scum haven't claimed.

In post 3863, Iecerint wrote:Also, yeah, there would be no reason to claim the dead guy as a target if I could just claim odd-night or w/e, cf., your points about the sketchiness of targeting dead people.

Yeah, Wisdom's complaint about my role was that amnesiac normally doesn't pick the target. Ceph said he's played a game where my role was similarly called amnesiac, though.

Tales of You.

Sat May 09, 2015 3:06 am

how the fuck did you all make this many posts at 5 am.

Sat May 09, 2015 3:54 am

In post 3885, Wisdom wrote:Ill switch back to Tier if I must but you guys need to stop being clowns and realize we can't fucking have a cop, a doc, grey, and a tracker.

Maybe we can? Grey's role seemingly just gets innocents on 3 players. We don't know what Bins' "condition" is, but she has to deal with two millers at the least.

In post 3886, Iecerint wrote:
Unless T-Bone blocks me, demonstrating that different people can get my tracks is pretty straightforward. The only reason it's not proven right now is that Rhinox died.

Yeah, not believing this is silly

In post 3889, Wisdom wrote:
In post 3887, Iecerint wrote:
In post 3885, Wisdom wrote:Ill switch back to Tier if I must but you guys need to stop being clowns and realize we can't fucking have a cop, a doc, grey, and a tracker.

I love how I was making this exact point over and over (sans-cop) maybe 30 pages ago. ^^

It's because of the cop that this is important. Cop + tracker = no.

Very much disagree with this until we throw grey in the mix. Even then I am trying to imagine it being possible but I'm not sure. Weren't there 500 investigatives in the last setup?

In post 3884, Wisdom wrote:Iece/Ceph/Tier.

Do you really think I make posts like "it's so weird how ts and iec seem detached from the game" and also where i've been half bussing both my teammates forever?

watch grey/reck/ns be scum or something sitting on the sidelines and laughing at us.

In post 3899, Iecerint wrote:I assume town in Tales of You because I think Ceph would have commented otherwise, but idk.

yep

In post 3906, TierShift wrote:
In post 3883, Wisdom wrote:
In post 3871, TierShift wrote:My team and I think there is a reason that I need to invent before receiving my role. We are hoping that waiting before inventing will give me a better role,

this sounds like total bullshit

My role EXPLICITLY says that I will receive a 1-shot ability upon self-inventing. There is no reason for it to state that unless there is benefit by putting inventing off.

You must understand that standard practice would have been to just say something like : "Upon inventing you receive an ability".

Instead it said that I would receive a 1-shot ability. There is a reason for that.

I know that we might have been overthinking this and that there is a chance that the role would have been the same all along. But the wording implies there is something going on.

Unless you can think of a scum role that self-targets, I think letting Iec track me is a pretty safe course of action.
Of course there is chance of scum RB and such but still

Self-targeting isn't particularly interesting. This claim blows.

In post 3942, Wisdom wrote:But yeah you are fucking scum if you are saying that it's feasible IN A TEAM MAFIA GAME that we have a cop+doc+grey's role+tracker, all town.

scum rb & ninja & strongman?? i hate this setup and also small theme games, this is why i didn't want to be in one

In post 3943, Wisdom wrote:
In post 3939, TierShift wrote:I don't get it. I'm only asking you to let myself prove my role tonight. If I'm not targeting myself you can lynch the shit out of me tomorrow.

So waste a track just to check something that is not alignment indicative.

Same bullshit as Ceph's bullshit.

Completely different, actually. I'm not trying to prove something that will obviously be true.

In post 3956, Wisdom wrote:
In post 3953, Iecerint wrote:He's not, though. <_<

I guess you could check Cephrir's attitude toward T-Bone and see if he thought he was around that time. That could be telling if he was relatively ambivalent.

He is.

Ofc Ceph is going to argue "I dont think hes town", but he is and that's Ceph trying to direct a town roleblocker away from scum.

I'm relatively ambivalent

I just see way more downside than upside from tbone actually doing anything in this situation, i think he could be scum and i don't have confidence he'll be lynched if, say,grey gets no result tomorrow. also, he's not even pushing greyscum anymore, his reasons for that were always shit, and he's played too scummy to be scum all game long, but there's such a clusterfuck here that even that isn't enough to persuade me fully

In post 4014, T-Bone wrote:Except that Shos claimed yesterday that he knew someone had targeted him so there is a descripency with his claim.

i was going to vote him here but unfuckingfortunately it just can never be that god damn easy

In post 4016, Iecerint wrote:
In post 4009, Wisdom wrote:
In post 3998, Iecerint wrote:2. I assumed a track because of the availability heuristic.

Come again?

I knew that one of T-Bone's "actions" was a track because I gave it to him. When he claimed the result on T-Bone and you in similar fashion (at first), I assumed that it was the same thing.

this does not look great, i dont know why you would assume multiple trackers

In post 4022, Iecerint wrote:T-Bone: I roleblocked a player so obvtown that scum killed him and the amnesiac tracker gave his result to him! Before that, I blocked piratemollie and Who!

TierShift: I get an ability after I use my ability, but I decided to just wait and not have an ability for awhile! Why rush!

Shos: Whether I was targeted depends on what your definition of "is" is.

thanks for brightening my morning

In post 4036, shos wrote:*sigh*
ok let's make order.
1. I receive a PM only if I am targetted.
2. I did not receive a "targetted" PM (don't know how it looks like yet) after both nights.
3. I was given mollie's (? or eddie's?) message immediately on the start of D2. I had a little conversation with the mod in PMs, trying to figure out if this was a night or day action, and after failing miserably (the mod is very good lol) I decided that this was a night action. only after the full claim I understood that this was a day action. I'm guessing Eddie sent this immediately at the start of the day, because it was literally minutes iirc since daystart when I got the message.

anything still unclear?

yes

i hate you for being derpy enough that i can actually possibly believe you fucked this up

In post 4070, T-Bone wrote:Okay I believe him.

you are actually just my evil twin

In post 4083, Iecerint wrote:
In post 4075, shos wrote:
In post 4065, Wisdom wrote:I cannot ask Eddie, he is not part of my team anymore. But as I said, I believe you on that part.

I don't believe you on all the others. Are you claiming you did not trust the mod result that you were not targeted by anyone?

I'm only supposed to be getting a PM if the answer is yes, so I assume no message means no. I had a PM conversation with the mod about it early D2 but he's like a rock, and I couldn't get any clear answer from it. I assumed, at the time, that me getting the message was enough for a "you have been targetted". as I said - I do not know how a "you have been targetted" message looks like. only AFTER you had claimed your day ability it became clear, and you had your D1 message to confirm that it is DAY message, so I knew I could believe you. hence my townread on you practically all game.

omfg stop peditting me

This is a reasonable explanation of how you could have been confused D2! Good work!

In post 4107, Wisdom wrote:also I wanna note that reading said accusation makes me think grey is scum

that switch to shos was horrible

maybe he is

i dont know anymore

i hate this game

Sat May 09, 2015 3:55 am

tier/reck/tbone? tier/reck/grey?

Sat May 09, 2015 3:56 am

ive suspected every living player today who isn't notscience and wisdom

Sat May 09, 2015 3:56 am

and i plan to continue

Sat May 09, 2015 4:02 am

In post 4124, Iecerint wrote:GreyICE's flavor makes the least sense.

It makes sense to me.

Sat May 09, 2015 4:03 am

Checked my role PM for flavor reasons for being a miller; didn't find any.

Sat May 09, 2015 4:06 am

no one is even voting you, shos. so i don't think that's a fair characterization of what iec is doing right now. there are reasonable issues with your claim, that is objectively true. in most games i would be lynching you right now, but fucking everyone is fucking up their claims, so

Sat May 09, 2015 4:07 am

In post 4131, shos wrote:voting a roleblocker (which can interfere with their results) over another claimed investigative PR (GreyICE) who does NOT interfere with their results, is 100% countering logic if you're basing your vote on setup speculation, which he did.

what

Sat May 09, 2015 4:10 am

In post 4135, Iecerint wrote:Someone lurks through the night and can't use their night action, so he knows whether they had one?

yep

Sat May 09, 2015 4:14 am

In post 4139, Iecerint wrote:I am the opposite of Wisdom. I have read inertia, AND the degree of "read sharpness" is always kinda low/hazy. He has read sharpness, but very low read inertia.

Pedit I still don't really understand. I mean vaguely maybe the mod has night go longer until he player is replaced, but the connection isn't as obvious as the others.

It took me about as long to figure out as shos' flavor. If X player doesn't log onto the site all night, he can't use his night action. I guess it doesn't line up quite as nicely.

Sat May 09, 2015 4:17 am

You could argue that failing to replace that player is poor modding.

Sat May 09, 2015 4:19 am

If, hypothetically, we actually caught scum with flavor, I don't know how my brain chemistry would react to the mixed feelings.

Sat May 09, 2015 4:56 am

I have good news, everyone! We've gone so many places, that at some point we must have said something that was correct. Rejoice!

Sat May 09, 2015 7:59 am

Town always agree with Wisdom, duh!

Sat May 09, 2015 9:38 am

I was being sassy.

Sun May 10, 2015 6:37 am

I do believe shos can still be scum, yes.

Sun May 10, 2015 7:53 am

I have no idea what those two things supposedly have to do with each other.

Sun May 10, 2015 9:57 am

In post 4216, TierShift wrote:Okay, you're voting me and not engaging my viewpoints because

Because I don't think you're town

In post 4218, shos wrote:
In post 4209, TierShift wrote:Seriously guys, shos is scum.

Look at rhinox, who was extremely right about shos's first few day 2 posts. Rhinox, who seemed pretty malleable except for his shos scumread. He's dead now.

That's not a coincidence.
Let me get the post I'm talking about for you.

In post 1462, Rhinox wrote:

In post 1401, shos wrote:nop
I'm just a little dazzled at how the hell the katsuki wagon went through
I went to sleep thinking that 99.9999% cabd dies. This suggests, imo, that cabd IS actually scum; but it could really just be coincidence - both wagons were high.
if cabd flips scum, I'm gonna swarm through the katsuki wagon for scum.

This is so cheeky-scum posting. YOU voted kats. You pushed for kats lynch. "oh tee hee kats got lynched? wow thats surprising totally didn't expect that" please... so fucking cheeky.

We need to have a talk about a few things shos.

1) Explain this post:

In post 774, shos wrote:@mollie - you're going to have to look for yourself, if you know what I mean

2) Why were you so averse to voting Cabd? Over the last 48hrs of D1 you called Cabd scum, you said you would hammer either cabd or kats and reiterated that throughout the day. You called for town to focus in on Cabd or Kats because "ZOMG NO LYNCH" but then you tried to speed wagon tbone and humored the thought of a speedwagon on ceph even closer to deadline. By the end of the day you were all "rah rah everyone vote kats nao" and when you went to bed you seemed dejected cabd might get lynched with your whole "fuck it don't care just lynch cabd". And now today after you waffle on Cabd in 1401 you call him useless lynchbait who is only maybe scum but only because of the kats lynch. But back in 1071 you said Cabd was scum. So what happened between 1071 and 1401 that made you think Cabd is town, expect maybe only scum based on not his play but kats flipping town?

to be continued...

Can you guys at least listen to a confirmed town player, who was killed and had shos as only serious scumread?

At least, like, try to read my posts and comment n them? Reck? Ceph? Grey? Iece?

So what you're saying is that I am scum and killed Rhinox because he was scumreading me? wouldn't scum, supposedly, attempt to kill the tracker if the tracker was truly town? do you think Rhinox would have been a good candidate for being the tracker?
come on, TS, you suck this game.
The post Rhinox quoted was taken out of context, I was not surprised that kats died, rather I was surprised that it prevailed over cabd on D1. When I went to sleep at the night of D1's lynch, I was literally 99% sure that cabd was going down. and I've already explained that 774 was talking about an ongoing game, so I had to wait it out until it's over. YOU WERE IN THAT GAME. you're town. don't make me fucking hammer you. This rhinox theme is an appeal to authority which is not quite an authority because a dead player does not make him right.

What

Why couldnt he be the tracker

Where did you thinking this is town suddenly come from

Sun May 10, 2015 10:46 am

In post 4223, shos wrote:You can let MS' input go, his comments are practically irrelevant by now, they were posted for pages 130-something and we've passed that. I deem it unworthy~

And Ceph Tier has been playing to his town meta so far, and I haven't had a reason to vote him until now. this wagon on him grew with no resistance and no reasoning, so it is suspicious. I'll analyze his role claim in a moment.

I literally could not be more sick of hearing things like this.

Sun May 10, 2015 11:01 am

We've had about 15 wagons today none of them with any resistance that wasn't from Wisdom. They can't all be on town.

Because he doesn't have the same win condition as me.

Mon May 11, 2015 2:37 am

Please listen to him

Mon May 11, 2015 3:20 am

At this point the only wagons I would still consider moving to are Reck and you shos

Mon May 11, 2015 4:06 am

In post 4261, Wisdom wrote:
In post 4258, TierShift wrote:Yes, I read the fucking thread. By doing that, I noticed that your story is full of holes. You have an ability that EXPLICITLY informs you if you have been targeted at night.
If you then post that you HAVE BEEN TARGETED AT NIGHT, that means you are crumbing that you have received a pm saying you were targeted.
ANYTHING
ELSE
IS
NOT
FUCKING
POSSIBLE

No, it does not mean that. It means he received Eddie's message and thought it was a night action. Since he received no PM from the mod regarding his action, his action could have malfunctioned. It's entirely plausible.

I'm not sure he ever put it this way.

Mon May 11, 2015 4:21 am

I'd assume the mod forgot :/

Mon May 11, 2015 4:22 am

Didn't shos say he had a fight with the mod about this issue? I have trouble believing that actually happened. The mod's response should have been "you weren't targeted by a night action so I didn't say you were"?? I don't fucking know

Mon May 11, 2015 4:24 am

btw I currently suspect tier/shos is scum theater as tier knows he's toast. "look at the people on my wagon despite the case I just presented on shos, but don't look at wisdom for doing the same thing" = uhh nope

Mon May 11, 2015 4:25 am

then again i guess that would preclude reck from being scum because the power roles probably aren't all real

pedit: I don't see why the mod couldn't tell him that

Mon May 11, 2015 4:52 am

In post 4276, Iecerint wrote:Only weird part for me is how he could have any kind of subsequent communication with the mod and not make that clear.

Mon May 11, 2015 7:55 am

You forgot about the 14th player, When the Mod Apparently Decides Not to Explain Things Well, the third party who wins when everyone fucks up their claims

Mon May 11, 2015 8:01 am

i foresee a future where we're asking ourselves why we didn't instantly lynch tbone and or shos for fucking up

Wed May 13, 2015 10:43 am

Guys

Shos is scum

Like literally scum

I'll show you when I get home

This is a slam dunk

Wed May 13, 2015 10:45 am

Actually I can just tell you. As far as I can tell everyone is stupid for not noticing this including me

Shos claimed no one targeted him night 2 and I demonstrably targeted him night 2

Wed May 13, 2015 11:58 am

In post 4326, Wisdom wrote:hm? Ceph, did you switch Reck with Iece?

yes

In post 4329, xRECKONERx wrote:so if it's shos who's the third?

grey?

Wed May 13, 2015 11:59 am

and no, there is no reason i didn't realize this sooner, i just suck

VOTE: shos

no one else vote right now please

Wed May 13, 2015 11:59 am

in my defense yall didn't notice it either, but the onus is certainly on me

Wed May 13, 2015 12:00 pm

it could also be t-bone. i dunno.

Wed May 13, 2015 12:01 pm

at this point the cop looks borderline useless, but im still not sure im ready to accept grey/iec/tbone all being town

which is unlikely anyway if reck was presumably tracked to not the kill

Thu May 14, 2015 2:05 am

I don't think elaboration is necessary. I remembered when I went to use my night 3 action and wanted to use it on you, then remembered I already had and hey wait what.

Your attempt to continue to lynch T-Bone rather than me is hilarious.

Thu May 14, 2015 2:06 am

You can't have been blocked by T-Bone because presumably your action is passive.

Thu May 14, 2015 2:08 am

And why would I be desperate to get a mislynch right now? If I was scum here I'd be in a prime position to go to endgame. If my partner was Wisdom I'd have already won, and no one else is widely townread.

Thu May 14, 2015 3:31 am

In post 4359, shos wrote:@wis and ceph: as i have said in my claim, this counts as targetting myself for all other stufd apart from my own action. My action can be tracked to myself, watched as me targetting me, blocked, redirected (so that i see if X has been targetted)[btw, the pm phrasing does not include my name, so in theory, this result can be of someone else]

This is stupid. I don't believe that this role even exists in the first place.

In post 4359, shos wrote:@wisdom: theres a difference betweeen not noticing that as a bystander and not noticing something that DIRECTLY contradicts what YOU did. Like, you had to send a "target shos" message to the mod, how can you not notice that.

Said the king of not cocking up roleclaims. Oh, wait, no, you totally did.

In post 4359, shos wrote:@ceph- I do, so please do. And re boner - I have been trying to lynch iece for a while now, in case you ignore the thread, as it seems from your "miss".

Literally not what you just said and I don't even know what the "@ceph" here is even saying.

In post 4359, shos wrote:Why did you preaume the ability is passive when i explocitly claimed otherwise?

If it's active, then you have to activate it. Are you telling me you PMed the mod saying "I would like to watch myself tonight"? Get fucking real.

In post 4359, shos wrote:And scum nees a mislynch today. If they dont get it, the setup will kill them. Gice can confirm the non-PRs, and the PRs can actually get guilties by blocking scum kill or tracking them. Unless - the PRs
are scum,
partly, in which case they need to fake results and reasoning for them. People have wanted you dead like all gamw, so you're a viable sacrifice. If you were scum, gambitting there, getting two PR kills and aislynch in exchange for you dying makes aense imo, and im not even reaching

People have wanted me dead at times. They don't anymore. And I have too big an ego as scum to give myself up. Also, Greyice is probably scum, so.

In post 4364, Wisdom wrote:Im back to believing shos

VOTE: grey

Wisdom. Stop it.

And if you believe shos and somehow think I am town too, you should probably be voting T-Bone.

Thu May 14, 2015 3:33 am

In post 4369, Cephrir wrote:
If it's active, then you have to activate it. Are you telling me you PMed the mod saying "I would like to watch myself tonight"? Get fucking real.

Quoting for emphasis.

Thu May 14, 2015 3:41 am

In post 4372, shos wrote:yes we know that, but ceph not-wanting to elaborate on the mechanics of his role is intriguing.

What? It works exactly the way you'd expect it does. Why would I be a ninja vote switcher? That would be stupid.

Thu May 14, 2015 4:01 am

In post 4377, shos wrote:
In post 4369, Cephrir wrote:
In post 4359, shos wrote:@wis and ceph: as i have said in my claim, this counts as targetting myself for all other stufd apart from my own action. My action can be tracked to myself, watched as me targetting me, blocked, redirected (so that i see if X has been targetted)[btw, the pm phrasing does not include my name, so in theory, this result can be of someone else]

This is stupid. I don't believe that this role even exists in the first place.
So why didn't you say so yesterday? it just looks like you're completely skimming the game, you know?

Discredit more.

Clearly, I didn't understand how stupid it supposedly is.

In post 4377, shos wrote:
In post 4359, shos wrote:@wisdom: theres a difference betweeen not noticing that as a bystander and not noticing something that DIRECTLY contradicts what YOU did. Like, you had to send a "target shos" message to the mod, how can you not notice that.

Said the king of not cocking up roleclaims. Oh, wait, no, you totally did.

huh.?
I don't know what 'cocking up' means, but in general, this is how I see it:
1. My PoV, or other people's:
I made a list of role claims and info about them. if you notice, it says 'switched shos and ns votes'. It doesn't specify deeply about the technical mechanics of how this happened, and it's in a sea of information. missing it, especially when not looking for it, is perfectly possible, and indeed it happened.
2. your PoV: sees shos claim "I was not targetted N2". you claim that you *literally* had to pm the mod that you target me and NS. I really can't see how you can miss that; especially since there was like, 4, maybe 5 pages all talking about my claim, SPECIFICALLY about the "contradiction" between the claim and an earlier post. People pushed it legitimately, and I explained it thoroughly, and through all this you did not remember that you targetted me?
this sounds odd, at BEST.

In post 4377, shos wrote:
In post 4359, shos wrote:@ceph- I do, so please do. And re boner - I have been trying to lynch iece for a while now, in case you ignore the thread, as it seems from your "miss".

Literally not what you just said and I don't even know what the "@ceph" here is even saying.
???
I've been pushing Iece for a long while, how comes you didn't see this? should I start quoting my ISO a billion times.? The @ceph means that I want you to elaborate on your role and how it works, since you deemed my request unworthy or unnecessary or something. I can't see how this hurts you if you were town, so why resist.?

You're pushing tbone right now. Tbone isn't iec.

There's nothing to resist, I didn't understand the question because it was stupid. I have now answered.

In post 4377, shos wrote:
In post 4359, shos wrote:Why did you preaume the ability is passive when i explocitly claimed otherwise?

If it's active, then you have to activate it. Are you telling me you PMed the mod saying "I would like to watch myself tonight"? Get fucking real.
I'm not sure what the hell you think is going on. The role is passive, yes, but it explicitly says, which I have already told everyone, that it counts as me making an action. Consider it a compulsive self watcher, yes? would you as a mod require the person to PM you it? that's stupid, lol, and magua indeed hasn't.

I agree, that would definitely be stupid. It's the only way I could wrap my head around you targeting yourself automatically and that being able to be roleblocked, though.

In post 4377, shos wrote:
In post 4359, shos wrote:And scum nees a mislynch today. If they dont get it, the setup will kill them. Gice can confirm the non-PRs, and the PRs can actually get guilties by blocking scum kill or tracking them. Unless - the PRs
are scum,
partly, in which case they need to fake results and reasoning for them. People have wanted you dead like all gamw, so you're a viable sacrifice. If you were scum, gambitting there, getting two PR kills and aislynch in exchange for you dying makes aense imo, and im not even reaching

People have wanted me dead at times. They don't anymore. And I have too big an ego as scum to give myself up. Also, Greyice is probably scum, so.
I don't recall any decrease in the people wanting you dead. it's as it's always been - people think you're scum, and nobody's voting, lol. The self meta argument.. *ignores*

If by people you mean Wisdom and Reck, one of whom is now calling me town and the other of whom I'm not sure what his opinion is anymore. I haven't been wagoned because there hasn't actually been all that much desire to do it, and now what little there was has pretty much evaporated.

Thu May 14, 2015 4:02 am

In post 4380, shos wrote:
In post 4375, Cephrir wrote:
In post 4372, shos wrote:yes we know that, but ceph not-wanting to elaborate on the mechanics of his role is intriguing.

What? It works exactly the way you'd expect it does. Why would I be a ninja vote switcher? That would be stupid.

it's a stupid role anyway, and there seems to be something wrong here, so I'm not assuming anything. What would a track result on you be?

pedit:
@reck, read the game please.

Obviously it would be me visiting both of them. Why the fuck would it not be? That is how roles work.

In post 4381, Wisdom wrote:ceph can you ask whether your role counts as you visiting the two targets?

I will ask but I have no idea why this is even a question. I feel stupider just contemplating writing this PM.

Thu May 14, 2015 4:08 am

If the scum are grey and tbone, they aren't controlling jack shit. But that's pretty unlikely.

Thu May 14, 2015 4:09 am

I guess I could start trying associative hunting. I just figured we'd snap lynch shos today.

Thu May 14, 2015 4:09 am

shos knows he can't get me lynched today

Thu May 14, 2015 4:10 am

so he's resorted to shit like "my self watcher can be redirected, causing me to watch someone else" which is just about the most ridiculous thing ever

Thu May 14, 2015 4:14 am

In post 4394, shos wrote:Ceph, you made like 3 factual mistakes, one is supposedly HUGE, and me saying that you're skimming the game is discredit?

Oh, please. I didn't bother processing the details of your crappy fakeclaim. Sue me. I barely read your posts, because they are all terrible.

In post 4394, shos wrote:and why is the role stupid, I don't understand; but even if - aren't reck/wisdom/kats/cabd's roles stupid too? why is this suddenly different?

They way it supposedly factually WORKS is stupid.

At least my stupid role works the way you would expect it to.

In post 4394, shos wrote:by you mean...?

I'm sure you can figure that one out.

In post 4394, shos wrote:This push started only after you suddenly found out your CC.

No shit, really? It's almost like that's the point

In post 4394, shos wrote:Why is it so hard for you to imagine that my role can be blocked.? And why didn't you voice this when I stated it first time?

I assumed it was like your passive in inuyasha because that would not be the worst thing ever

Thu May 14, 2015 4:15 am

I will consent not to lynch shos today if you'll all agree to lynch him in 3p lylo, but i will privately think you are all stupid until that happens

Thu May 14, 2015 4:16 am

Yeah, I'll claim my scumbuddy's role so when he flips vote switcher i will be instantly lynched! good idea

Thu May 14, 2015 4:18 am

In post 4410, xRECKONERx wrote:The sequence of events that would lead to T-Bone blocking shos but claiming to block Rhinox just takes fucking moonbeams on moonbeams to actually swallow

yeah, and moreover, why would tbone even do that?

tbone: "I blocked rhinox"

shos, role unclaimed at that point: "someone blocked me"

everyone: "tbone is obviously scum"

Thu May 14, 2015 4:23 am

In post 4419, xRECKONERx wrote:
In post 4413, Cephrir wrote:shos, role unclaimed at that point: "someone blocked me"

what

hypothetically, if shos was town, he could have had <some role that gets results>.

Thu May 14, 2015 4:24 am

In post 4421, Wisdom wrote:fuck this. You are all fucking terrible. SHOS IS TOWN and im not touching him.

>we're terrible
>you were 100% sure ceph/reck/iec or whatever was the scumteam yesterday

Thu May 14, 2015 4:42 am

reck is starting to crack me up

i can only assume it's because this game has driven me out of my mind

Thu May 14, 2015 4:43 am

hahahahahaha good one

Thu May 14, 2015 4:54 am

I need this thread in my life right now.

Also, the mod answered me. Obviously, I fucking target people.

Thu May 14, 2015 4:59 am

if you call everyone in the game scum one of them is bound to be scum eventually. you can thank absolutely not you for getting tier lynched though.

Thu May 14, 2015 5:00 am

that's pretty much what we're doing.

Thu May 14, 2015 5:02 am

but it's funny

Thu May 14, 2015 5:26 am

hey shos, how did you make your table and write down that i targeted you without realizing the problem

also, i skimmed tier's iso. he looks like scum with the people i already suspect and looks like not scum with reck.

Thu May 14, 2015 5:27 am

In post 4499, shos wrote:1. MS wonders if you're all drugged because how the fuck can you scumread me after Tier's pushes against me and his flip ... .... obvtown bla bla lol

tier was clearly toast, it looked like textbook scum theatre

Thu May 14, 2015 5:32 am

In post 4505, Wisdom wrote:
In post 4503, Cephrir wrote:
In post 4499, shos wrote:1. MS wonders if you're all drugged because how the fuck can you scumread me after Tier's pushes against me and his flip ... .... obvtown bla bla lol

tier was clearly toast, it looked like textbook scum theatre

bullshit. Only you saw it as such and never explained why.

because it came out of nowhere and only when tier was obviously getting hammered?

I'm pretty confident that lynching tbone grey and shos will end the game.

Thu May 14, 2015 6:00 am

In post 4516, shos wrote:
In post 4502, Cephrir wrote:hey shos, how did you make your table and write down that i targeted you without realizing the problem

also, i skimmed tier's iso. he looks like scum with the people i already suspect and looks like not scum with reck.
I wrote you switched votes, not targetted both of us to switch out votes. didn't think about it. how did YOU miss that, though, that's baffling me. I don't know if I should make scumread out of this or not. the subsequent posts in this day were awful but this mistake - it's like, totally fucking wierd.

You have no sense of irony, do you?

In post 4516, shos wrote:
In post 4503, Cephrir wrote:
In post 4499, shos wrote:1. MS wonders if you're all drugged because how the fuck can you scumread me after Tier's pushes against me and his flip ... .... obvtown bla bla lol

tier was clearly toast, it looked like textbook scum theatre
intrigue me, what was scum theater? can you elaborate or 'unnecessary' again?

/inb4 "I DUN MAKE CASES"

Oh, I make cases. On this occasion, I just don't have a very good reason for thinking this.

In post 4516, shos wrote:
In post 4505, Wisdom wrote:
In post 4503, Cephrir wrote:
In post 4499, shos wrote:1. MS wonders if you're all drugged because how the fuck can you scumread me after Tier's pushes against me and his flip ... .... obvtown bla bla lol

tier was clearly toast, it looked like textbook scum theatre

bullshit. Only you saw it as such and never explained why.

I agree. Wisdom's negging was what caused me to take a look on Tier, and it was Tier himself who made me vote him finally. I don't think that wagon would have gone through without my vote, I would say. Tier caused me to vote, and him alone. before he came out of his VLA, I was against the wagon if you recall - the wagon grew while he was VLA, and nobody gave ANY reasoning.

You agree that you aren't scum? Fancy that.

I don't recall you having much impact on that wagon.

In post 4516, shos wrote:
In post 4507, xRECKONERx wrote:
In post 4500, shos wrote:
In post 4436, xRECKONERx wrote:What?

Okay, no -- if T-Bone is scum, then why would he FAKECLAIM having blocked the DEAD DOCTOR who everyone was READING AS TOWN? That's suicidal. And it also relies on one of his scumbuddies being the one protected by Rhinox, and relies on that person NOT claiming they were protected by Rhinox.

Scum wouldn't have been told they were targeted by Rhinox until start of D3. How would they have had time to get their claim right? The only way that works is if scum have daytalk/encryptor... and work very fast. Because T-Bone claimed pretty quickly at the start of D3, didn't leave much time to strategize.

lol, I realize that MS has commented on this before me, lol

Reck, scum MADE THE KILL. the could plan it at night, no need for daytalk, even.

THEY DIDN'T FUCKING KNOW HE WAS THE KILL OR A DOCTOR OR THAT HE WOULD GIVE OUT LOUD RESULT
are you kidding me?
scum didn't know he was the kill?
also there are more than one way of knowing he was loud doc. who did he target N1, again.?

You have an amazing talent for reading words and coming up with different ones.

In post 4516, shos wrote:
In post 4518, shos wrote:
In post 4508, Cephrir wrote:
In post 4505, Wisdom wrote:
In post 4503, Cephrir wrote:
In post 4499, shos wrote:1. MS wonders if you're all drugged because how the fuck can you scumread me after Tier's pushes against me and his flip ... .... obvtown bla bla lol

tier was clearly toast, it looked like textbook scum theatre

bullshit. Only you saw it as such and never explained why.

because it came out of nowhere and only when tier was obviously getting hammered?

I'm pretty confident that lynching tbone grey and shos will end the game.
so you're sure Iece is town, grey is scum, and one of {me,tbone} are scum? why aren't you pushing GreyICE then?

Because I didn't say that? You just read my words and came up with different ones?

Thu May 14, 2015 6:02 am

if you're going to update your totally helpful table of helpfulness, at least update it properly

Thu May 14, 2015 6:11 am

@ms: maybe later i'll feel like it, but i doubt i'll agree anything can't be faked that's happened between them

@vote: someone else would have voted.

@table: Night 3, and you didn't change tier's role name to the correct one

Thu May 14, 2015 6:38 am

In post 4537, Iecerint wrote:But T-Bone targeting Reck N3 looks fairly town to me.

If you or Grey was blocked we would lynch him instantly, so...

Thu May 14, 2015 6:43 am

the point would be you being scum

Thu May 14, 2015 9:28 am

you really don't need to update the table, its not actually helpful

there is not even a hypothetical scumteam that would so much as briefly consider nightkilling you, unfortunately

Thu May 14, 2015 9:35 am

i switched reck and iec night 3 mr judges people for not reading the thread with a fine toothed comb

still not incredibly helpful

Thu May 14, 2015 9:35 am

i have already discussed my night 1 action when i originally claimed. see snark from last post.

Thu May 14, 2015 9:43 am

it's a direct cc to your night action too, your majesty

i didn't see you noticing

Thu May 14, 2015 9:45 am

the reason i thought it was a day action was because then it would not be useless.

Thu May 14, 2015 9:46 am

(just antitown)

Thu May 14, 2015 9:46 am

i guess i could very briefly give someone a double vote in that case

hooray

Thu May 14, 2015 9:53 am

In post 4575, shos wrote:no, it's not, you did not claim to have targetted me at night to switch my vote, the votes just switched

HAHAHAHAHAHA NO

In post 3021, Cephrir wrote:
In post 3019, Iecerint wrote:Shos is voting T-Bone. This is confusing because Notscience and Shos's votes are displaying in opposite ways this phase.

For what it's worth I did this, and yes, it is utterly pointless as far as I am aware.

In post 3081, Cephrir wrote:To explicitly full claim, because I think we should probably do that, I am a miller vote switcher. I can switch two players' control of their votes. Why? I don't know. I thought maybe there was some sort of double vote power somewhere.

My nonstandard miller thing basically says I come up whatever the worse result is to everything. I think X/Not X investigations may have been mentioned. Not looking at it atm.

On Night 1, I did nothing because I thought my ability was a day action (as this would make it not worthless). If I had realized it was a night action, I still might not have used it, because it is stupid.

On night 2, I swapped shos with notscience
. I chose them because at that point, not caught up, I felt both of them were town (I didn't want to accidentally give a double vote to scum or something) and also low impact/unlikely to be given any vote power that might exist. I almost chose not to submit anything, but I figured there was no reason not to have something to show since I was likely to have to claim today. I will probably do nothing for the rest of the game unless it becomes apparent that my ability is not useless.

Thu May 14, 2015 9:55 am

you do not get to imply that i'm an idiot for missing something you also missed. sorry! nope!

Thu May 14, 2015 3:22 pm

i still have hope

Thu May 14, 2015 3:24 pm

won't the scum just shoot me if you declare that

Thu May 14, 2015 3:24 pm

also if shos flips scum i think you should track t-bone

Thu May 14, 2015 3:24 pm

(and grey should check wisdom)

Thu May 14, 2015 3:34 pm

it actually doesn't matter who you give it to in that case. there will only be one scum, so if they lie about it to frame tbone they create a 1v1 and lose the game

therefore, if shos is scum you should choose who to give the result to completely randomly, shouldn't you? or give two options and flip a coin?

i'm probably overthinking this

Fri May 15, 2015 4:12 am

Well, that's annoying.

Fri May 15, 2015 4:13 am

It's also a really strong role that helps explain our level of power, so there's that.

Fri May 15, 2015 4:16 am

What do you guys think about potentially no lynching today?

Fri May 15, 2015 4:18 am

T-Bone would declare his target ahead of time. If there's a kill, his target is clear. Meanwhile, if there isn't, Grey can clear Wisdom and Reck, yeah?

Fri May 15, 2015 4:18 am

I guess strongman could be a scum role here.

Fri May 15, 2015 4:30 am

Yeah, we would probably be doing it tomorrow as well. I'm not sure if it's actually a good idea or not, but it sounds nice. At worst it forces scum to kill greyice if he's town, which is fine since we were probably going to lynch him today, while giving tbone a chance to block them. If tbone is scum, I guess it doesn't accomplish much, but we don't really lose anything either?

Fri May 15, 2015 4:40 am

Scum lawyer? I dunno, maybe you're right.

I was assuming scum would stop killing at some point to avoid you/cause wifom.

Fri May 15, 2015 5:05 am

My role actually accomplished something.

I am fucking stunned.

Fri May 15, 2015 5:10 am

I think we can safely discuss whether or not we should do it and why. But I suppose you're right aside from that.

Fri May 15, 2015 6:06 am

I don't know if I believe we had two sortacops, a roleblocker, a tracker and a doc.

Fri May 15, 2015 6:06 am

Why do you think we did, reck?

Fri May 15, 2015 6:06 am

Currently deciding whether to vote grey or no lynch, tbh.

Fri May 15, 2015 6:17 am

In post 4682, xRECKONERx wrote:
In post 4673, Cephrir wrote:Why do you think we did, reck?

wat

Why do you think all the power roles are real

Fri May 15, 2015 6:18 am

In post 4683, Wisdom wrote:There's no fucking way he thinks I am scum. There's no fucking way anyone thinks I'm scum.

As someone who has considered it and frankly is pretty much paranoid about everyone right now, eeeeh.

Fri May 15, 2015 6:25 am

I can't help but picture T-Bone dancing around his computer right now.

Fri May 15, 2015 6:55 am

^that

Fri May 15, 2015 7:07 am

In post 4696, xRECKONERx wrote:for setup reasons

Please clarify this!

Fri May 15, 2015 7:18 am

Oh, I thought you were saying you thought he was more likely scum because of the setup. Mmk.

Fri May 15, 2015 7:19 am

yeah there's basically no way im letting that happen unless it's because we nolynched

Fri May 15, 2015 7:28 am

In post 4717, xRECKONERx wrote:If we're wrong, scum is just going to setup T-Bone vs Grey/Wis with either me/Ceph stuck making the choice and I might actually literally vomit

Fri May 15, 2015 7:31 am

because i lynched shos yesterday

also ive been town the whole game but no one seems to have noticed :p