Newbie 1656 : Game Over

Sakura Hana · Post Post #9 (isolation #0) » Wed Oct 07, 2015 12:56 pm

/confirm

Sakura Hana · Post Post #18 (isolation #1) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 3:26 am

VOTE: GM
Hello, haven't played with you in a while.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #20 (isolation #2) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 3:37 am

I dont think that needed a spoiler thingy...

Sakura Hana · Post Post #21 (isolation #3) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 4:21 am

Hey GM, why you call a vote for lordj20 a good vote in the same post you vote LoHa, i call shenanigans!

Sakura Hana · Post Post #39 (isolation #4) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 12:48 pm

In post 31, LoHa wrote:Osu

Wait what? Who are you?.

Re: GM's vote.
GM said a LoHa (aloha!) vote was good, and voted a person that was voting LoHa.

Re: Is it serious?
I always treat the Non-Serious Voting Phase, a.k.a Random Voting Phase seriously.

Re: Can i tell her alignment from that?
Not really, but it's a good start!

Sakura Hana · Post Post #40 (isolation #5) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 12:49 pm

In post 39, Sakura Hana wrote:GM said a LoHa (aloha!) vote was good, and voted a person that was voting LoHa.

I guess i got this backwards, but the end result is the same.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #42 (isolation #6) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:08 pm

A search shows that neither of them has logged into the site for 4 days, unless they login to the site to see your vote, your vote isn't gonna do anything. Just saying ^_^

Sakura Hana · Post Post #66 (isolation #7) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 4:56 pm

@Silverwolf: I dunno why you're looking for specifically IC games from goodmorning, afaik she shouldn't play differently from normal games other than the fact that she wont lie about theory? dunno why make that specification on her meta (Although i've never been IC so i wouldn't know why i would play different as one BUT OK)

Sakura Hana · Post Post #69 (isolation #8) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 5:11 pm

In post 67, Mightymandarin wrote:
In post 64, SilverWolf wrote:Well, did they say why?

Well, it's been a few years. One guy convincing everyone to lynch me said "all you do is deflect." Like am I not supposed to address the points in the case he's making about me? Another thing was, they were all experienced players and were constantly referring to past games to make points about each other's scuminess. It seemed every post I made dug me deeper. Anyways, I never got how day 1 was supposed to work in this. There's always joke voting and people taking joke voting seriously.

It is bad for town not to vote, right? I'll go read the newbie guide.

I guess it depends on the playerlist and your actual play that game, do you have any links to those games so maybe i can see what you or them, did wrong?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #70 (isolation #9) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 5:12 pm

In post 68, lordj210 wrote:from what ive seen and heard no lynching is almsot always bad for town weather the lynch ends up being a mislynch or not its still almsot always ad to no lynch

This is correct, even a mislynch gives the town a confirmation on that player's alignment (in this case town) and then you can start treating that info to find scum (Hint, scum know who's town and who's scum, and it will be seen in their play)

Sakura Hana · Post Post #73 (isolation #10) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 6:44 pm

Could be, which could explain the cognitive dissonance shown in her 2nd post.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #78 (isolation #11) » Thu Oct 08, 2015 7:34 pm

In post 74, Mightymandarin wrote:I don't, sorry. It was a long time ago, like 2008 or so. The forums there require "archive access," which is an additional paid feature, to look at things that far back. I guess what I did wrong was making my own claims and voting for people for not very good reasons. I decided to try out mafia again here on a whim.

They are probably not important then, will just treat you like a total newbie then.

In post 74, Mightymandarin wrote:I know "sheeping" is not a good thing to do. But is it in the town's interest to have a lynch of someone soon? Does a "day" last a certain amount of time or is until there's enough votes?

Sheeping, within reason, is fairly ok as long as you can show why you're sheeping someone's reason/vote.
The day lasts a certain ammount of days, or until there's enough votes for a lynch, whichever happens first, if time runs out without a majority then a no lynch will happen. This is stated in the rules, i suggest you read them.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #86 (isolation #12) » Fri Oct 09, 2015 3:36 am

In post 79, LoHa wrote:@Sakura: I'm Batman (want to distance myself from my meta on other sites; I do know you and a bunch of other people who migrated here, however I won't base my reads on meta, ever.

Hmm ok.

In post 84, goodmorning wrote:being more patient and less quick to anger

Maybe i should learn something from that, i wish i was that good at holding up my emotions, which is probably why i wouldn't be a good IC at all.

In post 84, goodmorning wrote:sakura srsly

Ok cool, now that you know why i'm voting you, why don't you say something other than "sakura srsly"?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #88 (isolation #13) » Fri Oct 09, 2015 3:40 am

Here's a better explanation for anyone.

GM states that cool's vote on lord (who is voting LoHa) is a good vote.
GM votes LoHa.

If GM is sheeping lord, then why is a vote on lord a good vote.
^
Obviously question towards GM.
Also yes i'm aware that is RVS, but i don't want a "That was just RVS" kind of reply.

P-Edit: Oh so it was OMGUS and not Sheeping, still why did you say that a person who was voting the same person you voted was a good vote?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #92 (isolation #14) » Fri Oct 09, 2015 4:09 am

I guess I'm just gonna chalk this up to me not understanding your motives clearly enough orz
UNVOTE:

Sakura Hana · Post Post #98 (isolation #15) » Fri Oct 09, 2015 5:20 am

In post 95, lordj210 wrote:
In post 94, Ether wrote:
vote: LoHa

im not so shure putting loha @ l-2 right off already is very good

It's not a problem, no scum would attempt to QH this early, specially with people like GM (if town) and me around (or at least me).

Sakura Hana · Post Post #102 (isolation #16) » Fri Oct 09, 2015 5:31 am

In post 100, Ether wrote:Sakura could you give us a bit more than that?

What kind? Reads? I'm currently townreading goodmorning, and have mild townreads on both LoHa, youm cool and Silver. No one else has anything i can read them off

Sakura Hana · Post Post #103 (isolation #17) » Fri Oct 09, 2015 5:32 am

In post 102, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 100, Ether wrote:Sakura could you give us a bit more than that?

What kind? Reads? I'm currently townreading goodmorning, and have mild townreads on
both
LoHa, you, cool and Silver. No one else has anything i can read them off

Fixed that for me

Sakura Hana · Post Post #107 (isolation #18) » Fri Oct 09, 2015 5:47 am

This post by LoHa gave me good vibes:

In post 27, LoHa wrote:Sakura how reliably can you tell GM's alignment with that tell (she called a vote good but voted somewhere else)? Since it's the only serious vote I was inclined to sheep it until she responded to it. Now I'm lost and don't know how to interpret her reaction. Any arguments on that?

But yeah it's just a mild townread.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #125 (isolation #19) » Fri Oct 09, 2015 12:45 pm

In post 123, LoHa wrote:Sakura, supplying a comprehensible reason to vote sticks out. As scum you'd be more careful to avoid such contrast, wouldn't you (care to wifom-dance with me)?

i don't really like wifom.
Dunno what you're getting at here, what do you mean by a "comprehensible reason"

Sakura Hana · Post Post #130 (isolation #20) » Fri Oct 09, 2015 3:08 pm

In post 128, Ether wrote:Hi!

I'm still voting LoHa, by the way. That didn't stop being a thing or anything.

Was this directed at me?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #133 (isolation #21) » Fri Oct 09, 2015 4:54 pm

In post 132, lordj210 wrote:before we got to deep into the game.

Or too deep into the ocean!

Sakura Hana · Post Post #150 (isolation #22) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:16 am

In post 137, LoHa wrote:Reformulating: Would you say that in your scumgames you'd risk sticking out by providing good reasons to vote when nobody else is?

That's something easy to fake so yes, as both town and scum i do it because 1) As town i do it due to it getting us faster out of RVS, 2) As scum i do it because i do it as town.

I don't see what's the point of this question?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #152 (isolation #23) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:18 am

Also as town, keep all the PR speculation to your head, you can bring it up IF that person claims a PR at some point as a reason to saying "I believe it because he said this and i thought it was a crumb" or "I dont believe it because he did this and a PR wouldn't do this". Now this is one of those games where scum's supposed to have day chat and i don't know if that's more of a towntell since i doubt scum would be that out in the open about pointing those things out instead of in the Scum PT.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #153 (isolation #24) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:18 am

In post 151, Ether wrote:This hi is for you, Sakura. Hi!

Hello, Can you please tell me why you're scumreading LoHa?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #155 (isolation #25) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:19 am

Then i missed it lol, i'll look for it

Sakura Hana · Post Post #157 (isolation #26) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:27 am

In post 134, Ether wrote:Nah, the hi was for OceanWind.

I just...don't get what LoHa's trying to do. He has experience, apparently--it kind of bothered me that he was so terse about coming out with it, which is Page 2 logic but was still a part of my initial vote. (Also I already knew at that point that it wasn't very likely to be anyone else, for various reasons that mostly don't say anything about how townish they actually are.)

His 27 didn't really strike me either way. (Now that I'm typing this I keep wanting to talk about how weird it is that he was asking permission to vote goodmorning, when I don't see how he'd read her jokey reaction as a town tell if he thought she was scummy before then. And maybe that's true and maybe it isn't, but either way I know I'm saying it from a perspective of being sick of us spinning our wheels and really wanting to find somebody scummy already.)

I don't like his showing after I voted, either. People were exchanging reads by then, and he just dropped in and asked me about my return. He doesn't know me and doesn't strike me as someone who asks things just to socialize, and I don't see the point. Continuing to talk about Sakura's Page 1 vote didn't impress me either.

1) Eh, even if he's a veteran, i wouldn't be surprised by someone to play like this if they come from osu!, the only good players there either rarely play and are also from here (pie, gif) or dont play at all (Rantai).
2) This however is a good point
3) This is another good point, considering he knows me but doesnt want to use meta why's he interacting with me mostly, if he was trying to use my meta, it makes sense, but this is just weird.

Then again without knowing who he is i can only say that i've never seen many good players there, so i dont know, but this kind of reasoning is enough to drop him back to null or even lean scum as of right now.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #164 (isolation #27) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 5:26 am

In post 159, LoHa wrote:I'm voting SilverWolf, but you don't see me exaggerating or misrepresenting anything about her like you seem to be keen on doing with me.

Yeah, neither pushing him or trying to get more votes there.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #165 (isolation #28) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 5:27 am

VOTE: LoHa
L-2 (i think)

Sakura Hana · Post Post #166 (isolation #29) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 5:46 am

Wait... are you sLaiNi?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #174 (isolation #30) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:02 am

In post 173, Ether wrote:I just realized that LoHa is at -1

Huh, last vote count LoHa had 2 votes (yours and GM's), i didnt see any more LoHa votes in the meantime, so i thought mine was L-2

Sakura Hana · Post Post #207 (isolation #31) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 4:38 am

Yeah SW is pretty town. I know effort doesnt = scum but it shows that he's using said effort to actually find scum.
I don't mind the RQS as much because it's coming from a newbie, as shown by his post, however, it is true that those questions mean nothing to help figure out alignment if they don't know what the reason behind asking them is, considering he just saw them in other games, it makes sense for him to try and come with something like this to get things started.
Positive Light: He probably doesn't know what to do with the questions because newbie, rather than asking them for filler.
Negative Light: There are a bunch of other things to comment on than come in with RQS at that point in time.

However.
He did comment on other stuff, the stuff he commented in is bad yes, but do you expect Newbies to have flawless reasoning? <- Question to SilverWolf
What do you expect to gain from your RQS questions, specially when the game had already moved away from RVS? <- Question to Ocean.

And just for the sake of completion i'll answer the RQS:
1. Colombia - I'll post based on my mood and the ammount of posting in the thread (I normally slow down when ppl slow down)
2. I enjoy Town more, because I have more fun figuring out who the scum is, and i'm also pretty bad at lying.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #222 (isolation #32) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 8:28 am

In post 221, MoosyDoosy wrote:Any questions, feel free to ask~

In post 221, MoosyDoosy wrote:coolkyledude - Misinterpreted goodmorning’s posts but didn’t seem to get the 3 or so explanations from her afterwards. Means kyle isn’t exactly reading the thread properly.

?
Also apparently you missed a read on me.
Amished tell?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #223 (isolation #33) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 8:29 am

In post 222, Sakura Hana wrote:Amished tell?

Actually, maybe not.
Still kinda awkward you point a read on your predecessor like that.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #229 (isolation #34) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 8:47 am

In post 227, OceanWind wrote:when I clearly stated I've played a lot of mafia on other forums.

Uh, you didn't?

Nevermind, i just re-read your post and saw that you actually did, i only remembered the part where you said "i was reading a few games here" which doesn't exactly indicate being experienced.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #233 (isolation #35) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:03 am

In post 227, OceanWind wrote:I don't learn anything just from the responses but they give me a baseline through which I can interpret future actions. If someone that prefers playing town are dragging their feet and being minimally active (like SilverWolf), there's a good chance they are mafia.

Ok this makes sense, while in practice it isn't that easy, it's the reason most ppl do ask these questions, so i think you're town.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #246 (isolation #36) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 3:08 pm

Don't have much time for this game right now, but i figured i'd point out that you can highlight text from a post and press Quote to quote just that specific text. This reduces a lot in terms of editing quotes and messing up quote tags or not having to quote the whole thing to respond to a specific part of it.

I'll be back with some actual content tomorrow.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #259 (isolation #37) » Mon Oct 12, 2015 3:22 am

In post 256, LoHa wrote:You said this before you asked the question, if I was scum I would've compromised my play and answered accordingly to appease you, in an attempt to get you off my case.

Dat Self-meta

In post 256, LoHa wrote:Ether, are you going to be this neurotic about me being scum all game long? I think it's pretty clear who your nr.1 scumspect is without you reformulating it each and every time. What do you think that does anyway. How do you find scum? Finding someone you do n't seem to resonate with and neurotically, exaggeratingly deathtunnel that person seems suboptimal to me, at least on day1.

Uhh, i don't think Ether's tunneling. She's giving opinion on other players, not just focusing on you.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #260 (isolation #38) » Mon Oct 12, 2015 3:23 am

Huh i thought i typed something directed at Oceans about me having a hard time parsing his quote wall and asking for a bullet point case instead but i guess i didn't, so i'll just post it again.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #269 (isolation #39) » Mon Oct 12, 2015 6:28 am

An answer to what?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #272 (isolation #40) » Mon Oct 12, 2015 6:34 am

If his RQS will lead somewhere then we will know later in the game, I'm mostly thinking is towny of him because he wants information, while it's possible that scum him would ask the same questions, It's whether he does anything with them later on that will tell.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #281 (isolation #41) » Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:36 am

Thing is i haven't read Ocean's posts in detail because everytime i start reading his quote wall my eyes start glazing around and my mind starts slipping away, hence my previous post about me wanting him to just make a concise case instead of just quoting things if he has one.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #284 (isolation #42) » Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:50 am

In post 283, lordj210 wrote:i was thinking the same thing im guessing its rand question stage maybe not a clue

Ether answered this already.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #297 (isolation #43) » Mon Oct 12, 2015 12:48 pm

In post 295, SilverWolf wrote:How can you townread someone you've barely read?

Because of the RQS.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #301 (isolation #44) » Mon Oct 12, 2015 12:55 pm

In post 298, SilverWolf wrote:Someone RQSing isn't town or scum. I've seen both alignments do it.

Yeah, but it depends on whether he does something with them later.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #303 (isolation #45) » Mon Oct 12, 2015 1:00 pm

Apparently Ocean is townreading me, i don't know why.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #317 (isolation #46) » Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:07 pm

In post 315, Mightymandarin wrote:Sakura

In post 315, Mightymandarin wrote:without emotions.

Well, i know you guys don't know me but this kiiiiiinda like the entirely opposite of me.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #327 (isolation #47) » Tue Oct 13, 2015 6:37 am

@Ocean:

In post 260, Sakura Hana wrote:Huh i thought i typed something directed at Oceans about me having a hard time parsing his quote wall and asking for a bullet point case instead but i guess i didn't, so i'll just post it again.

In post 303, Sakura Hana wrote:Apparently Ocean is townreading me, i don't know why.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #342 (isolation #48) » Tue Oct 13, 2015 12:36 pm

V/LA Until Saturday

Not in a good mood for mafia currently, i don't actually expect it to take that long but i rather not set it too short.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #351 (isolation #49) » Tue Oct 13, 2015 5:09 pm

In post 346, Ether wrote:My gut is currently screaming to high heaven that it's Sakura, and that if that's true then goodmorning is her most likely partner. It's getting distracting.

Kindly explain why please.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #355 (isolation #50) » Wed Oct 14, 2015 4:05 pm

Wait GM is meta townreading me?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #356 (isolation #51) » Wed Oct 14, 2015 4:08 pm

In post 337, goodmorning wrote:The way in which it was done, though, feels Town based on what I know of Sakura.

Huh...

Sakura Hana · Post Post #359 (isolation #52) » Wed Oct 14, 2015 4:37 pm

I'm specifically playing differently out of all my games, how GM has a townread on me from meta is beyond me.
VOTE: GM

Sakura Hana · Post Post #362 (isolation #53) » Wed Oct 14, 2015 5:54 pm

You're right that i have barely been bothering developing most reads, but that's more of me being mostly disinterested than being scum, i even missed the part where GM actually townread me because of meta (I'm using a different playstyle this game, there's no way she'd get a meta townread on me unless she knows my alignment and is using it as an excuse)

What would you describe my playstyle since apparently you've bothered noticing that im usually scumread as town and townread as scum?
Would you think my playstyle this game fits either of those metas? I'd say No, so that was a rethorical question.
(Although if anything i'd think i'd fit my scum meta more which is the most awkward thing that i've been trying to emulate in my towngame to see if i can stop being ML'd, which again... clashes with GM's meta read of me anyway)

Sakura Hana · Post Post #364 (isolation #54) » Wed Oct 14, 2015 6:26 pm

Just saying tho, the point of playing with experienced ppl is that the experienced ppl show you the ropes.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #366 (isolation #55) » Wed Oct 14, 2015 6:32 pm

Oh i guess Ether's not interested in talking to me.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Sakura Hana · Post Post #369 (isolation #56) » Wed Oct 14, 2015 6:50 pm

Then you should probably vote her with me.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #371 (isolation #57) » Wed Oct 14, 2015 7:14 pm

Be careful tho
Even "Not Voting" counts as a wagon in terms of VCA.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #383 (isolation #58) » Thu Oct 15, 2015 7:17 am

In post 380, Ether wrote:
vote: Sakura Hana

.:theatrics:.

Now this is just golden, why vote me instead of helping me bus GM if you're scumreading us both? Or...

Are you afraid to bus?

And im pretty sure this vote was totally not triggered by a certain VCA threat performed by someone last page, nope not at all.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #385 (isolation #59) » Thu Oct 15, 2015 7:29 am

So from your PoV:
I'm scum because everyone's townreading me and im supposed to be scumread when im town.
Goodmorning is townreading me so she's my buddy.
BUT
I already mentioned im not playing like i usually do.
SO Goodmorning's meta assesment of me is wrong.

What would your read on goodmorning be if i flip town and if the answer is town then i accept your vote, if the answer is scum, your vote makes no sense.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #392 (isolation #60) » Thu Oct 15, 2015 12:37 pm

Yeah im tooootally not sucmhunting, guess a little bird told me that GM is scum and after attacking her i receive the most obvious chainsaw defense ever, but nope totally not scumhunting.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #393 (isolation #61) » Thu Oct 15, 2015 12:37 pm

Inb4 i still get ML'd after such an obvious chainsaw.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #395 (isolation #62) » Thu Oct 15, 2015 12:40 pm

In post 359, Sakura Hana wrote:I'm specifically playing differently out of all my games, how GM has a townread on me from meta is beyond me.
VOTE: GM

from this to:

In post 368, Ether wrote:I don't want to clearly spell out what I do and don't expect from your play, sorry. I could be missing things and I'm not claiming to be the high authority on the subject. The people who've actually played with you probably have better; SilverWolf's advice would be nice to have.

But aside from that, your response was literally "Yeah, you're right, I've barely been scumhunting and my play is closer to my scumgame." I don't really know what you want from me!

This all does reflect badly on goodmorning, so there's that.

To this:

In post 369, Sakura Hana wrote:Then you should probably vote her with me.

Then this excuse:

In post 370, Ether wrote:Eh, I'm kind of liking this voteless thing. The part of my brain that tells me when to vote says it wouldn't be theatrical enough.

Then this?:

In post 380, Ether wrote:
vote: Sakura Hana

.:theatrics:.

Like how you even go from "Sakura and GM are scum" to "Don't want to vote GM" to "Let's vote Sakura"

Sakura Hana · Post Post #396 (isolation #63) » Thu Oct 15, 2015 12:41 pm

In post 394, Ether wrote:I don't really believe that you think I'm scum.

Well i dont really believe you think im scum either, because you're pushing a ML here, meanwhile im voting scum, while you aren't

Sakura Hana · Post Post #397 (isolation #64) » Thu Oct 15, 2015 12:43 pm

Ether's obviously distancing from GM, and when offered to vote her she votes me instead after i had voted GM.
If that's not a chainsaw i don't know what is.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #399 (isolation #65) » Thu Oct 15, 2015 12:45 pm

I guess in the end i ended up going back to my aggro playstyle, ah well.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #401 (isolation #66) » Thu Oct 15, 2015 12:58 pm

To vote the scumread that has the largest ammount of votes.
Not avoid it to vote the person voting them.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #403 (isolation #67) » Thu Oct 15, 2015 1:00 pm

And for the record im always scumhunting, just because i don't scumhunt like you do doesn't mean im not.
I scumhunt based on the way people read me and their reasons.
Which triggered the GM scumread.
And your scumread.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #405 (isolation #68) » Thu Oct 15, 2015 1:27 pm

At least now this game stopped being boring.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #407 (isolation #69) » Thu Oct 15, 2015 2:23 pm

In post 406, lordj210 wrote:i dont like that she is saying she must be town because shes playing differant then she typically dose

I never said that.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #411 (isolation #70) » Thu Oct 15, 2015 2:29 pm

In post 410, lordj210 wrote:
In post 407, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 406, lordj210 wrote:i dont like that she is saying she must be town because shes playing differant then she typically dose

I never said that.

the way i read it it sounds to me almost insuinated i may be wrong and jsut read it wrong

The only reason i mentioned it it's because gm says she's using meta to read me, which is fake because im not even playing like she's supposed to know as im playing an entirely different playstyle, it is true however that im interested in why i get townread as scum and not when im town so im trying to implement some aspects from my scumgame into my towngame.
The only place i've already began trying this new playstyle is on osu! aaaand i highly doubt GM has played there.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #414 (isolation #71) » Thu Oct 15, 2015 3:33 pm

In post 413, MoosyDoosy wrote:and he’s universally read as scum.

And that doesn't give you pause?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #417 (isolation #72) » Thu Oct 15, 2015 3:41 pm

In post 415, Mightymandarin wrote:Then if Sakura flipped town, how would Ether talk herself out of that?

Well i already know i'd flip town soooo...

Tell you what, i'll even self vote if you guys unanimously lynch Ether tomorrow ^_^

Sakura Hana · Post Post #419 (isolation #73) » Thu Oct 15, 2015 3:44 pm

It's not much a case as an string of events that i don't see coming from a town mindset.
Ether says me and GM are scumreads.
I realize GM is probs scum and vote her, Ether doesnt follow suit and votes me instead (a 0 vote scumread over a 3 vote scumread).
Conclusion: Ether is GM's partner and doesn't want to bus.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #420 (isolation #74) » Thu Oct 15, 2015 3:46 pm

Like seriously, i literally see no reason why Ether should've voted me instead of GM in that scenario unless they are buddies. It doesn't make any sense.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #422 (isolation #75) » Thu Oct 15, 2015 4:03 pm

I think 400 shows that she's indeed scumreading GM.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #425 (isolation #76) » Thu Oct 15, 2015 4:20 pm

In post 424, Ether wrote:(And related to that, if Sakura's actually sincere about wanting to lynch me over goodmorning now, that makes no sense. If she's so sure that goodmorning's scum because of her weird townread, and that the only reason I could possibly have a preference is because I'm scum with goodmorning, then obviously she should want to lynch goodmorning first.)

Have i ever switched my vote off GM? I haven't.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #426 (isolation #77) » Thu Oct 15, 2015 4:21 pm

If you're so sure i'm scum then how about my offer?
My life for yours. If i flip town.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #428 (isolation #78) » Thu Oct 15, 2015 4:22 pm

Yes i did

Sakura Hana · Post Post #429 (isolation #79) » Thu Oct 15, 2015 4:23 pm

Your vote is on me coz im the scummiest, and it's not on goodmorning because it's based on associatives. I have independt scumreads on both of you but there's also the associative i found earlier.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #430 (isolation #80) » Thu Oct 15, 2015 4:23 pm

I'm fully willing to self-vote if you agree to get lynched tomorrow if i flip town, wanna take the risk?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #431 (isolation #81) » Thu Oct 15, 2015 4:27 pm

Did my proposal caught you off-guard? I bet it did. Think it over, I have time.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #433 (isolation #82) » Thu Oct 15, 2015 4:38 pm

In post 432, Ether wrote:And I think you already knew I'd say that.

I actually didn't, and I actually like this answer more than either of the 2 i was expecting, why don't you help me lynch GM? She's faking her read on me.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #435 (isolation #83) » Thu Oct 15, 2015 6:34 pm

In post 434, Ether wrote:If you're town, please count this as a vote against that experimental playstyle.

My experimental playstyle has actually been getting me good results, you just can't see it because it's been done in a secret alt. I wanted to try it here, but i ended up getting bored.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #441 (isolation #84) » Fri Oct 16, 2015 4:02 am

In post 439, LoHa wrote:Sakura likes votes on her so why not keep it interesting for her.

VOTE: Sakura

Look at that opportunism.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #442 (isolation #85) » Fri Oct 16, 2015 4:03 am

In post 440, goodmorning wrote:What other answer would any experienced player in her right mind give?

I would expect a scum player to flat out say no, the added part from Ether actually made me feel better about her because it sounded honest.
I would expect a town player to agree (if Ether had agreed i wouldn't have forced her to follow suit, after all, scum doesn't make risky gambles like that because they need to earn 2 mislynches for every member they lose)

Sakura Hana · Post Post #443 (isolation #86) » Fri Oct 16, 2015 4:05 am

VOTE: LoHa
I'm thinking of going back here, mostly for the opportunism, but partly because maybe GM is town.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #444 (isolation #87) » Fri Oct 16, 2015 4:08 am

In post 440, goodmorning wrote:Still not fake. Can we all try and understand that I don't tend to meta on the surface level?

So real talk: What exactly do you see towny in my play? I've been lazy all game and if anything that would most likely mean im scum than town due to the meta you so talk about.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #445 (isolation #88) » Fri Oct 16, 2015 4:08 am

And if you say because me seriously questioning an RVS vote, i do that as either alignment.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #447 (isolation #89) » Fri Oct 16, 2015 4:30 am

In post 446, goodmorning wrote:Why would Town agree to be lynched if you flipped Town? 2 Town lynches means LyLo. That would be a truly terrible thing to agree to.

Mostly because Town is more carefree (Careless?) and less cautious than scum. This is an old tell tho, I read about it like what, back in 2013? I used it everytime there was someone so certain that i'd flip scum despite me knowing that wouldn't be the case and i always challenged them with that gamble. This felt like a good chance to try it again.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #448 (isolation #90) » Fri Oct 16, 2015 4:34 am

Basically it came from the fact that a scum looking for a mislynch knows what i'll flip and would flat out reject due to it being bad for their numbers, while a towny that's certain i'll flip scum had nothing to lose because they were that certain i'd flip scum.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #451 (isolation #91) » Fri Oct 16, 2015 5:01 am

Friendly reminder that you (goodmorning) never answered my question about the meta.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #453 (isolation #92) » Fri Oct 16, 2015 5:28 am

In post 452, LoHa wrote:You don't think sheeping Ether is a good idea?

Ether isn't even voting me?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #455 (isolation #93) » Fri Oct 16, 2015 5:29 am

But ok, good to know that you are voting me for opportunism because "sheeping Ether", got it.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #456 (isolation #94) » Fri Oct 16, 2015 5:29 am

In post 455, Sakura Hana wrote:But ok, good to know that you are voting me with opportunism because "sheeping Ether", got it.

Fixed that for me.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #459 (isolation #95) » Fri Oct 16, 2015 5:31 am

In post 449, Ether wrote:I like a LoHa lynch better than a goodmorning lynch

^
Let's see how much you like sheeping Ether then

Sakura Hana · Post Post #460 (isolation #96) » Fri Oct 16, 2015 5:32 am

In post 458, LoHa wrote:But since she wasn't, what cognitive construct does your opportunism argument stem from?

Easy, you voted me because "I like votes on me" while you thought Ether was still voting me (If she was that would've put me at L-1)

Sakura Hana · Post Post #462 (isolation #97) » Fri Oct 16, 2015 5:38 am

Oh yeah i forgot SW unvoted me too.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #463 (isolation #98) » Fri Oct 16, 2015 5:39 am

In post 461, LoHa wrote:so all you have to back it up is a hilarious "I like votes on me"

Yeah that's pretty much it.
The "Sheeping Ether" part just added more to it.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #466 (isolation #99) » Fri Oct 16, 2015 5:42 am

Oh?
So now you're using semantics to hide your argument?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #467 (isolation #100) » Fri Oct 16, 2015 5:42 am

In post 465, LoHa wrote:Sakura, why are you voting me?

In post 443, Sakura Hana wrote:VOTE: LoHa
I'm thinking of going back here, mostly for the opportunism, but partly because maybe GM is town.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #470 (isolation #101) » Fri Oct 16, 2015 5:49 am

For jumping on a wagon when ppl start to get suspicious of me. (Although technically, the suspicion was leaving, but since apparently you missed Ether's unvote, from your side, it wasn't)

Sakura Hana · Post Post #471 (isolation #102) » Fri Oct 16, 2015 5:49 am

But oh golly tell why am i scum for liking votes on me.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #475 (isolation #103) » Fri Oct 16, 2015 6:02 am

In post 439, LoHa wrote:Sakura likes votes on her so why not keep it interesting for her.

VOTE: Sakura

So you were lying here then?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #478 (isolation #104) » Fri Oct 16, 2015 6:03 am

In post 477, LoHa wrote:Paraphrase the lie.

You vote me and the reasoning in your post is because I like votes on me.
You said that you never said you voted me for liking votes on me...

So you're either lying on one post or the other, pick one.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #480 (isolation #105) » Fri Oct 16, 2015 6:04 am

In post 476, LoHa wrote:The reasons why I'm scumreading you is because you said I was self-metaing when I was bringing objective arguments for my townieness, and you were taking Ether's side when she was obnoxiously bullying me. Also I didn't like your reaction to me questioning you on your arguments for voting, so there's that and some other stuff like this right here, with the "scum for liking votes on me" shenanigans.

If this was true you'd have voted me like 15 pages ago.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #483 (isolation #106) » Fri Oct 16, 2015 6:06 am

I say you're voting me for opportunism, this is your reply:

In post 452, LoHa wrote:You don't think sheeping Ether is a good idea?

This implies that you're Sheeping Ether, yet you backpedal on your reasoning using semantics here:

In post 464, LoHa wrote:I didn't say I was sheeping Ether, btw. I asked you.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #484 (isolation #107) » Fri Oct 16, 2015 6:07 am

In post 482, LoHa wrote:How bout I voted you for reasons I didn't care to share just then, and added a remark which I thought was kind of cute and I could use to up my theatrics and the fun I'm having with this game.

... What...

So you vote me for "hidden reasons" and then you complain that i see your post as opportunist because you didn't show those "hidden reasons" as i didn't know they existed?

What does this logic even come from omg

Sakura Hana · Post Post #486 (isolation #108) » Fri Oct 16, 2015 6:08 am

Seriously that's like the most scummiest thing you've said ever

"OH I ACTUALLY HAD REASONS I JUST DIDN'T SHARE THEM"

Yeah No, i want to see you deader than dead now.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #492 (isolation #109) » Fri Oct 16, 2015 6:28 am

Fair warning that Loha is now at L-1

Wanted to get that out before i reply to that

Sakura Hana · Post Post #493 (isolation #110) » Fri Oct 16, 2015 6:31 am

In post 489, LoHa wrote:I still don't see you clarifying a supposed argument I'm hiding so yeah. Also, as you should know by now I wasn't sheeping Ether, I might have insinuated it to further my investigation, I see you're making a big deal of it and I interpret it as scummy.

^
Scum Posting.
You are separating from your own argument by using semantics and now you keep saying that im making shit up, yeah, this isn't town.

In post 489, LoHa wrote:Again you are timetraveling. You may not invoke stuff that happened after you called me an opportunist to justify calling me an opportunist. Logic 1 o 1

What the fricken fuck.
Are you serious with this?
I called you opportunist because you voted me with Zero reasoning other than me liking being voted as soon as pressure was getting onto me, now you're trying to say you weren't despite me bringing up that you missed stuff, so from your PoV i was being suspected and now you're are reasoning that you actually didn't miss it but it was your intention all along.

In post 491, LoHa wrote:yeah, no. I don't see why that's supposedly scummy. Elaborate.

You didnt out reasons and got called out on it, your response after a lot of arguing is "OH I ACTUALLY HAD HIDDEN REASONS" and not correct them, so apparently im supposed to be a mind reader and know you had reasons and so i shouldn't have called you out on opportunism?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #496 (isolation #111) » Fri Oct 16, 2015 7:28 am

In post 495, Ether wrote:Sakura, what's with that thesaurus thing he keeps doing? He said he was familiar with you on Osu; is there anyone from there who does that?

There are very few players i've considered from osu! but with him keeping quiet about it's hard to tell because...
Pretty much almost everyone i know from osu! already has an acct here except maybe Frostings or sLaiNi, and if he's sLaiNi then he's literally NOT a Veteran. And if he's a Veteran then the only ppl i can think of would be Rantai or dkun or someone that hasn't played in forever, and neither of them would be playing like this.
Zexion, Ace Timing, Navizel, are other players i've considered with this kind of noobish playstyle but they already have accts in here.

That said... i've never heard of thesaurus before in osu! so i literally have no idea.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #503 (isolation #112) » Fri Oct 16, 2015 1:17 pm

@Ether: I keep coming bakc with "sLaiNi" as a possibility unless it's someone i played a long time ago, which is weird coz sLaiNi's still a newbie.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #507 (isolation #113) » Fri Oct 16, 2015 3:42 pm

In post 506, lordj210 wrote:so we lynch Loha today he flips town who do we look most at d2??
we lynch him today he flips skum who do we look at d2 as being his partner??

Why everytime someone asks these questions, people come up with answers and then a NK makes their answers change.
I don't see the reason to try to search for information before we have guaranteed alignment information, otherwise its like trying to look for a certain needle in a haysack without knowing what you're looking for. And gives scum more info to make their NK.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #520 (isolation #114) » Sat Oct 17, 2015 3:39 am

In post 514, LoHa wrote:but objectively no town should act like her or Ether

Yet you said:

In post 452, LoHa wrote:You don't think sheeping Ether is a good idea?

When i called you out for your opportunist vote.

Also why do ppl breadcrumb roles honestly it just makes it more likely mafia than town will find them.

VOTE: Moosy
Your argument is the argument that you were sheeping Ether, i mentioned it multiples times, can you read? Yes you were the 2nd vote on me, but you thought it was the 3rd, because you didnt realize Ether had unvoted me.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #529 (isolation #115) » Sat Oct 17, 2015 5:37 am

Ok sooo here's info for whoever the other PR is if existant (if LoHa's claim is true, then it exists).

If you are Jailkeeper or Tracker, then your role is fine.
If you are 1-Shot Bulletproof then you should CC TODAY, you will never be NK'd unless scum wants to waste 2 shots on you and you'll live as confirmed town in exchange for a scum lynch.
If you are a Doctor, your role cannot co-exist with LoHa's and can CC, but do this only if you're not confident you can block the night kill tonight, otherwise wait until tomorrow.
If you are a Cop, your role cannot Co-exist with LoHa's and you SHOULD NOT CC TODAY, get an investigation off N1, for you LoHa's conf scum so you shouldn't waste a scan there, and CC tomorrow instead.

I could go for Lordj as well, Moosy ignored my question about whether LoHa being universally scumread not giving him pause.

Sakura Hana · Sat Oct 17, 2015 10:43 am

In post 558, SilverWolf wrote:Why are we lynching a claimed PR with no cc in
an open
game?

Fixed that for you.
Yeah the thing with the setup being open is that it makes it harder for scum to fake claim anything but VT unless they are drawning a PR (Which is a risky play), if it was a closed setup LoHa's claim would've done nothing for me. Yes i still think he could be scum, yes i also think he could be scum lying, but it is not, the way to go if there's no cc imo.

Although granted, im doing this also because this is usually the correct play with an uncc'd claim, and i think trying to lynch a claimed PR when there's no cc is the wrong thing to be teaching to newbies

UNVOTE:
For now.

Ether i know your continous talk about Daytalk being a thing, is good for scumhunting BUT it's based on pre-flip associatives, why can't you just have indepent scumreads instead of "He's not being coached, ergo his partner must be a newbie" why can't it be "He's not being coached ERGO HE'S NOT SCUM" (Occam's razor is a thing you know)

Sakura Hana · Sat Oct 17, 2015 11:04 am

Daytalk is a thing yes, but thing is that we have no way of knowing what scum could be doing with it, in-thread associations are better than going "Oh it's not being coached so if he's scum, scum is another newbie" for all we know whoever their partner is would've told them to act dumb to clear connections, for all it's worth, it's a lot of conjecture, and frankly i think trying to scumhunt based on who's being coached is not a good idea.

Sakura Hana · Sat Oct 17, 2015 11:05 am

Basically i think trying to find scum based on assumptions that they would be coached via the use of Daytalk is like trying to analyze why scum killed a certain player during the Night =/

Sakura Hana · Sat Oct 17, 2015 11:11 am

Well most games around here have daytalk nowadays, so it's a good thing to prepare newbies for it, unfortunately it's as much WIFOM as NKA. And I know you think LoHa is scummy, but you aren't getting him lynched today. Me on the other hand
VOTE: GM
I'm going back here.

Sakura Hana · Sat Oct 17, 2015 11:55 am

Anyone else wanna tell me if im seeing things or is GM contradicting herself in 556

Sakura Hana · Sat Oct 17, 2015 12:08 pm

In post 585, SilverWolf wrote:I actually find that vote terrible from her.

I mean she agrees with me about the claiming but votes LoHa anyway.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #590 (isolation #122) » Sat Oct 17, 2015 2:41 pm

Huh, if you say you agreed with me about claiming then you agree that we shouldn't be lynching LoHa today and wait at least until tomorrow in case of a counter claim i detailed this in 529 which happened before your 556

Sakura Hana · Post Post #598 (isolation #123) » Sun Oct 18, 2015 4:01 am

In post 596, LoHa wrote:Is that also part of your experimental scum-emulating playstyle?

Nope, if you think it's scummy vote me for it, I said i already switched back to my usual playstyle when i voted for GM pages ago.
And no GM's not an "easy" vote

Sakura Hana · Post Post #599 (isolation #124) » Sun Oct 18, 2015 4:03 am

Oh right, you're already voting me, lol.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #606 (isolation #125) » Sun Oct 18, 2015 6:11 am

In post 605, LoHa wrote:
In post 599, Sakura Hana wrote:Oh right, you're already voting me, lol.

I know, It's beginning to bore me as well. Any idea why nobody is sheeping me?

Because I'm town.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #612 (isolation #126) » Sun Oct 18, 2015 6:21 am

In post 609, MoosyDoosy wrote:Although the fact that you regarded me as an "object" is rather disturbing. Do I look that inhuman to you?

Is that the only thing you can say in reply to that?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #614 (isolation #127) » Sun Oct 18, 2015 6:22 am

In post 611, LoHa wrote:The probtownie, soon to be conftownie pushes a lynch on a townie, supposedly, and nobody cares to jump on it early, to look better once the mislynch, supposedly, concludes? I find that hard to believe.

I don't understand your words here, care to rephrase?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #615 (isolation #128) » Sun Oct 18, 2015 6:24 am

Oh wait, i understand them now.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #617 (isolation #129) » Sun Oct 18, 2015 6:25 am

@LoHa: No one looks good on a mislynch ever, VCA would catch them.

@MoosyDoosy: So you don't care if you die and you STILL don't answer the questions?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #618 (isolation #130) » Sun Oct 18, 2015 6:26 am

If you dont want to play then why didn't you replace out? Seriously?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #629 (isolation #131) » Sun Oct 18, 2015 7:19 am

At this point LoHa's tunnel is starting to annoy me, and i wouldn't be sad seeing him go even if he's a PR. I hate tunnelers, always have, always will.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #631 (isolation #132) » Sun Oct 18, 2015 7:25 am

In post 630, MoosyDoosy wrote:
In post 629, Sakura Hana wrote:At this point LoHa's tunnel is starting to annoy me, and i wouldn't be sad seeing him go even if he's a PR. I hate tunnelers, always have, always will.

I tunnel.

>_______________>

Sakura Hana · Post Post #632 (isolation #133) » Sun Oct 18, 2015 7:26 am

This game has gone from boring to interesting to flat out frustrating, i guess it's my fault for reverting to my old playstyle, but im kinda tired here of yelling to high heaven that GM is scum while having a pseudoconftown keep yelling that im scum...

Sakura Hana · Post Post #637 (isolation #134) » Sun Oct 18, 2015 8:09 am

In post 636, OceanWind wrote:Page 9

That's gonna take a while....

Sakura Hana · Post Post #638 (isolation #135) » Sun Oct 18, 2015 8:12 am

I think that the best thing for my sanity is ignore what sLaiNi says, because apparently he's one of THOSE people that like to insult the people's intelligence.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #639 (isolation #136) » Sun Oct 18, 2015 8:14 am

I meant to say LoHa, i keep thinking this guy is sLaiNi for some reason.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #668 (isolation #137) » Sun Oct 18, 2015 1:39 pm

I don't like Ocean's timewarping.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #677 (isolation #138) » Sun Oct 18, 2015 2:39 pm

In post 674, OceanWind wrote:386 (Sakura) - Why does Sakura's townflip preclude you from attacking GoodMorning? It seems like your issue with GoodMorning is that her townread on Sakura was based on weak reasoning. Couldn't she have been whiteknighting Sakura and calling her town knowing that she's town? Why does it necessitate that they be mafia together?

I think this was supposed to be directed at Ether XD

Sakura Hana · Post Post #678 (isolation #139) » Sun Oct 18, 2015 2:44 pm

Also I'm liking SilverWolf's points on GM's selective scumhunting, more GM votes pls.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #698 (isolation #140) » Mon Oct 19, 2015 1:09 pm

In post 696, goodmorning wrote:I could have left you alone, pursued lordj, maybe Mandarin,
kept going with a LoHa tunnel.

Would you look at that.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #702 (isolation #141) » Mon Oct 19, 2015 5:49 pm

In post 701, SilverWolf wrote:A NL on D1 is really bad for town.

So much this.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #757 (isolation #142) » Wed Oct 21, 2015 3:39 pm

I'm around, i'll hammer lord if need be, but im not hammering him without a claim, i still want to see GM dead.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #762 (isolation #143) » Wed Oct 21, 2015 4:17 pm

I think you better claim if SW is not hammering GM. because i got 2 hours.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #768 (isolation #144) » Wed Oct 21, 2015 5:01 pm

Honeslty i rather not have to hammer lordj210, mostly because my scumread's voting there, and it looks a lot like a flash counterwagon to a scum wagon

Sakura Hana · Post Post #776 (isolation #145) » Wed Oct 21, 2015 5:13 pm

Maybe she's doing that Nacho thing where as scum he likes to hit every single's persons right notes?
Idk, still not convinced of her meta argument for townreading me early game (when i was being lazy because bored)

Sakura Hana · Post Post #777 (isolation #146) » Wed Oct 21, 2015 5:14 pm

Like i normally welcome meta townreads on me, but when she townread me i hadn't done anything alignment indicative of mine and i was even being very lazy, i do admit her "i will self hammer" kinda makes me think she's town but idk.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #778 (isolation #147) » Wed Oct 21, 2015 5:15 pm

Basically if she hadn't done that i would still be here harping for her death and wouldn't even consider lord

Sakura Hana · Post Post #782 (isolation #148) » Wed Oct 21, 2015 5:19 pm

Thing is that if we hammer lordj (or rather i hammer since apparently you both are there already) and he flips town im probably going to convince myself this was a scum quick counter wagon to the lynch on scum, and if GM flips town im going to feel really bad :<

Sakura Hana · Post Post #786 (isolation #149) » Wed Oct 21, 2015 5:25 pm

In post 784, SilverWolf wrote:lordj's post was not gross BTW

I agree.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #788 (isolation #150) » Wed Oct 21, 2015 5:26 pm

In post 785, lordj210 wrote:my thoughts on goodmorning i just have a gut feeling im not shure how exactly to explain it though i may be wrong ive not a clue.

That happens to me all the time you know ^_^
Sometimes i tend to ignore it because 90% of the time a gut feeling makes me second guess a scumread i was actually correctly scumreading that person, and i feel really bad post game about it.... argh

Sakura Hana · Post Post #791 (isolation #151) » Wed Oct 21, 2015 5:33 pm

In post 789, SilverWolf wrote:If GM doesn't claim before deadline should I do it anyway?

She's probably VT, no PR says they'll self hammer at deadline for info.
If she flips PR it's her own fault for not claiming earlier because if you're at L-1 and with very low deadline you should claim your PR to make the decission easier instead of this.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #804 (isolation #152) » Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:51 pm

Zero kill night huh.
I'm assuming scum wasnt stupid enough to shoot LoHa (if his claim is true), so im going to guess it's either a Jailkeeper or a Doctor.
Having 1 scum remaining means that regardless if a role counterclaims LoHa's they must claim now which would end in autowin for town, if there's no CC im going to assume LoHa is confirmed town.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #806 (isolation #153) » Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:58 pm

That vote is quite interesting considering how much you didnt want to lynch GM yesterday.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #807 (isolation #154) » Mon Oct 26, 2015 6:00 pm

Also im p.sure SW is town, she would have tried to get me to vote Lordj instead of hammering GM herself and being so waffley near deadline end yesterday.
I could be misremembering about the former, so someone correct me if im wrong, currently thinking for town SW/LoHa/Lordj, although Lordj's mostly due to being counterwagon to scum, specially with how quickly that build at the end. 8 alive means if i can get another bank townread we can PoE this.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #810 (isolation #155) » Mon Oct 26, 2015 6:18 pm

In post 809, lordj210 wrote:Sakura was pushing for GM a good portion of the end of d1

A good portion of D1, rather... but in the end scum was lynched, and what's worse their night kill failed (i highly doubt they'd no kill with a single member left and still a bunch of mislynches to punch through), we are in a really good position right now and im expecting for scum to try and break the townreads/townbloc at some point.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #811 (isolation #156) » Mon Oct 26, 2015 6:19 pm

In post 810, Sakura Hana wrote:im expecting for scum to try and break the townreads/townbloc at some point.

Or just plain give up ^_^ i've seen it happen after all.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #813 (isolation #157) » Mon Oct 26, 2015 6:22 pm

Anyway i have a lot of theories right now, but i wanna see what other people say first, im happy to discuss anything with the people in my townbloc in the meantime if they want.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #815 (isolation #158) » Mon Oct 26, 2015 6:24 pm

Theory crafting, if we assume a jailkeeper blocked the nightkill scum has a roleblocker, GM flipped goon, her partner supposedly moosydoosy would be the roleblocker, does a roleblocker say this about their Goon partner?:

In post 728, MoosyDoosy wrote:o/ If you guys are so antsy about goodmorning I'm always around as a lynch target. To be honest, if one of you switches onto me the rest will inevitably tumble onto the wagon as well.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #816 (isolation #159) » Mon Oct 26, 2015 6:31 pm

Also i went to look back at the vote counts, goodmorning stuck to LoHa for a good portion of the game even after the claim, so im pretty sure LoHa's town even outside the claim, just by virtue of GM flipping scum.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #818 (isolation #160) » Mon Oct 26, 2015 6:37 pm

Town from towniest to least towniest from my PoV:

LoHa
SilverWolf
Lordj
MoosyDoosy

Leftovers:

OceanWinds
MightyMandarin
Ether

Will probably double ISO the last 3 together with GM and see if i can find anything clearing or incriminating.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #819 (isolation #161) » Mon Oct 26, 2015 6:39 pm

In post 817, Ether wrote:I think that would be more meaningful if there was any chance whatsoever that it might actually happen.

I'm...kind of surprised by Mightymandarin's vote, I admit.

Talking about that theory, LoHa was a claimed 1-shot BP by that point iirc. If scum has a roleblocker they knew by then the other is a jailkeeper, jailkeeper is very dangerous for scum if they dont have a roleblocker because their night kills can be stopped and there's nothing they can do about it.

Of course there's also the theory that scum didnt night kill or that they shot LoHa, both of these are reaaaaally unlikely and since scum have daychat im pretty sure GM probably left them some instructions before her demise in case she died.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #822 (isolation #162) » Mon Oct 26, 2015 6:51 pm

i would love if one of you would unvote please, day just started and you guys want to end it already?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #824 (isolation #163) » Mon Oct 26, 2015 6:52 pm

Oh wait it's 5 to lynch not 4, still would be nice to have less votes out tho.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #825 (isolation #164) » Mon Oct 26, 2015 6:53 pm

In post 823, OceanWind wrote:your scumread on Ether

It's actually a leftover read based on my analysis, the reads are pretty much explained along all of my posts this day phase, the left over reads is the ones i haven't analysied yet.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #826 (isolation #165) » Mon Oct 26, 2015 6:55 pm

In case it wasnt obvious Leftover =/= Scumread.

I'm analysis each people's posts and interactions from D1 and arranging them from most townie to least townie, with the exception of the first 3 which are pretty bunch bank townreads, once im done analysing, obviously the one that is the "least townie" out of all my reads will also likewise be the "most likely to be scum" and i'll probably vote it at that point.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #827 (isolation #166) » Mon Oct 26, 2015 6:56 pm

Actually i guess i should've put moosy as not analyzed, i'll revise that later, i only put it there because i saw that post being unlikely to be done from a Roleblocker > Goon interaction, but what Ether said makes sense too.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #828 (isolation #167) » Mon Oct 26, 2015 6:57 pm

In either case the rest of my analysis will have to happen tomorrow, it's getting late and stuff.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #829 (isolation #168) » Mon Oct 26, 2015 7:02 pm

I just went and double checked the lordj wagon and...
Yeah literally both GM and Moosy voted lordj right after your case on lordj, i gotta admit it's hard to see anyone else as GM's partner, anyway, i'll see what i come up when i check overall interactions tomorrow, but im currently leaning on Moosy now too.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #842 (isolation #169) » Tue Oct 27, 2015 3:47 am

@All the questions: No Bulletproof is not notified if they get shot, Yes mafia roleblocker can do both actions:

In post 2, Nobody Special wrote:You share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. Y
ou may commit the kill and perform a roleblock in the same night phase.

From the sample role PMs.

Sakura Hana · Tue Oct 27, 2015 12:55 pm

I still doubt Lordj's scum, GM's vote came in too quick after the case that looks more like a mislynch opportunistic vote.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #851 (isolation #171) » Tue Oct 27, 2015 1:27 pm

Ether is also one of my choices today mostly because of how reluctant she was to lynch GM yesterday, i still havent done double ISOs so yeah...

Sakura Hana · Post Post #859 (isolation #172) » Tue Oct 27, 2015 3:15 pm

I dont think there was a no kill, it's really stupid because it increases the ammount of mislynches scum needs to win

7-1 at night > 7-1 Day > 5-1 > 3-1 > No Lynch? > 2-1
from
7-1 at night > 6-1 Day > 4-1 > 2-1
Well probably not as much as i thought.
I dunno, my gut says that Moosy's lying because no JK in their right mind misses their action during the night, but with no CC i have to take that as the very truth.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #860 (isolation #173) » Tue Oct 27, 2015 3:45 pm

I mean srsly, what are the chances that with an extended night both scum and JK miss their action.
If this wasn't an open setup and there wasnt 1 scum left alive (meaning it's suicide to fake claim PR) i wouldn't believe it.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #862 (isolation #174) » Tue Oct 27, 2015 4:02 pm

Yeah i know, but it doesnt change the fact that it's still suicide to fake claim PR as lone scum in an open setup. If it's a scum fake claim then yay we win?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #865 (isolation #175) » Tue Oct 27, 2015 4:37 pm

In post 864, lordj210 wrote:OR is LoHa smart and pulling a fast one on us and is the 2nd skum??

while this is theoretically possible, he was the first to claim.......... now you're making me paranoid

Sakura Hana · Post Post #866 (isolation #176) » Tue Oct 27, 2015 4:39 pm

I mean is theoretically possible for scum to have no roleblocker and such the existance of a lone jailkeeper is possible in which case no one would ever CC LoHa, dunno tho, LoHa claimed first...

Sakura Hana · Post Post #871 (isolation #177) » Tue Oct 27, 2015 4:56 pm

Ok so in this case im going to treat Moosy and LoHa as conftowns for today. Imma double check voting patterns of the rest and see what i can figure out.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #873 (isolation #178) » Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:11 pm

Im not good at meta research, if im gonna use meta on someone it needs to be personal experience.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #890 (isolation #179) » Wed Oct 28, 2015 5:29 am

In post 884, LoHa wrote:
@Mod: If the jk jails the roleblocker and rb blocks the jk, can the rb still shoot?

I doubt it.

This is true for all newbie matrix6 games even those run on osu! dunno why you're asking this if you're from osu! as you say, you should know this.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #892 (isolation #180) » Wed Oct 28, 2015 5:54 am

oh wait i confused what he asked, but yes Scum roleblocker triumphs over Town Jailkeeper in this setup.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #895 (isolation #181) » Wed Oct 28, 2015 7:28 am

Guys when scumhunting you need to look at evidence and come to a conclusion, not assume the conclusion and look for evidence that fits.
More when back from work.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #904 (isolation #182) » Wed Oct 28, 2015 2:32 pm

It is fine, if you're town, i wouldn't expect a newbie to come up with super solid cases right off the bat, but it's a good idea to point out stuff that bothers you.
I wanna go here today
VOTE: Ether

Sakura Hana · Post Post #909 (isolation #183) » Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:35 am

I literally dont like Ether's GM defense on Day 1, on top of that Ether says that she thought GM was a PR which doesnt connect with her GM is scum only if im scum.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #911 (isolation #184) » Thu Oct 29, 2015 4:38 am

Oh yeah im pretty sure scum would LOVE to get a PR lynched by stating they dont believe them, if i was a Town PR with a counterclaim i'd still wait until the next day, GM even agreed with my thing about claiming and continued to vote LoHa, why couldn't you see something as simple as that instead of "OH SHE MUST BE A PR!" Sounds like really convoluted reasoning for not voting her.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #912 (isolation #185) » Thu Oct 29, 2015 4:40 am

Furthermore last time i saw an experienced player in a Newbie game continue pushing a claimed PR on D1 by stating they didnt believe them, take a wild guess what they flipped (Hint: they flipped scum)

Sakura Hana · Post Post #914 (isolation #186) » Thu Oct 29, 2015 5:34 am

In post 913, Ether wrote:And...okay? I don't share your experiences, I don't think the same things you do. You don't need to convince me why goodmorning is scum anymore, her role's right there.

Cool, but i wasn't talking about GM in that sentence.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #916 (isolation #187) » Thu Oct 29, 2015 5:37 am

I was more talking about these posts:

In post 538, Ether wrote:I think LoHa's play, especially his early play and his decision to claim bulletproof in particular, would look different with SilverWolf as a partner.

In post 546, Ether wrote:As for the bulletproof thing, I think bulletproofs are both the most stereotypically tempting fakeclaim for newbie scum, and also a trap because of what Sakura said about how a real one doesn't really lose anything for counterclaiming.
I was actually kiiiiiiiiind of tempted to talk about just lynching him without a counterclaim, but it seemed like a hassle and I already think the game is broken if he's scum whether he gets counterclaimed or not. And I'm not positive an experienced player would account for people thinking like that.

In post 559, Ether wrote:There's a 2/3rds chance that there is no bulletproof in this setup to counterclaim. A cop shouldn't counterclaim and a doctor shouldn't either; trackers and gaolers are compatible with the claim. It's true that there's only a 1/6th chance that he's lying and there's no role in this setup that COULD counterclaim him, but that isn't the framework we're working with.

Also, we aren't actually lynching him yet. We are assuming he's scum, and we'll lynch based on likely partners.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #918 (isolation #188) » Thu Oct 29, 2015 5:46 am

On another note when did your read on Ocean Wind change from this:

In post 661, Ether wrote:I'd appreciate you joining me on OceanWind, by the way!

Then we would have two votes on OceanWind.

To wanting to lynch lordj based on "being connected to LoHa":

In post 717, Ether wrote:lordj - Could be scum? I can see a lot of things tying him to LoHa. Some of those things were actually influencing me townreading him before LoHa's claim, but like SilverWolf noted the veteran thing sort of bothers me for that.

Then vote lordj in a post where you talk nothing about him, so i assume you're still thinking that he's "tied to Loha":

In post 730, Ether wrote:Moosy's stance on LoHa is the main thing that's kept me back. I could be wrong about him, but I don't think he's a good lynch for today. I don't think I can elaborate much.

I don't think Mightymandarin's really been looking for scum at all, he's just coasting on that paranoia. But then I direct something critical his way and he says something paranoid again and all of that just melts. His new characterization of me is contradictory, kind of insulting and most of it is completely wrong, but at least it's more than "she seems logical, THAT DOESN'T MEAN SHE'S NOT SCUM, I BET SHE'S SCUM." Bluh. I think he's town, yeah.

Rest assured that my behavior toward goodmorning has never for a second made my life easier in any way. I think goodmorning/SilverWolf was/is TvT, yeah. I think SilverWolf is someone who gets bothered when people scumread her, even when it doesn't make any political sense for them to do it. (And she's expressed the same misgivings here already.) I don't really think anyone's suspicion toward goodmorning is scummy, exactly, including yours. The reasons for her reads don't really make sense to me either.

I mean Sakura flipping out earlier than that. The exchange that got SilverWolf to unvote her (404) also made me realize that it was probably wrong. I think I was figuring out on my own, but that push helped.

If Mightymandarin thinks my involvement is bad, then that's a double standard, plain and simple.

I'm gonna
unvote; vote: lordj210
. Dunno.

So where did your scumread on OceanWind vaporize to?
In addition, another interesting thing i found on your ISO, which is also one of the things bothering me a lot is your latest posts regarding GM:

In post 687, Ether wrote:I don't think goodmorning is scum.

Which puts me in a weird position, because I think I'm already tied to her in some people's minds, and I'm scared that defending her will just make it worse.

^ This looks to me incredibly self-conscious

In post 717, Ether wrote:goodmorning - I think if she were scum she wouldn't have dug herself so deep, unless she seriously thought she could get a no lynch. I don't think she'd still be voting LoHa as scum. (Although 698, so I don't even know.) I get the vibe that I realized she was on the verge of everyone piling onto her before she did, which is...probably a town tell on her part? Also I don't think she's scum with LoHa, since everything else I said here is a pretty recent development.

^ Keeps trying to persuade ppl from lynching GM.

In post 797, Ether wrote:Even though I feel like if she WERE scum, she had so many smarter moves than what she actually did.

Ugh.

^ This happened right after the hammer.

Dunno all these posts connected, give me a feeling that you're GM's most likely partner, not to mention your "let's vote sakura instead of GM because GM's only scum if Sakura is" you'd think you'd be voting me today since GM flipped scum, your OceanWind read vaporized into thin air, and suddenly Lordj's the likely partner of GM, when he before was the likely partner of LoHa and now can't be.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #920 (isolation #189) » Thu Oct 29, 2015 6:05 am

Good to know that you replied to everything but your connection with goodmorning.
Either way i know you've mentioned multiple times why you didn't want to vote goodmorning and what not.
I just don't think those reasons are any good, and i think, they are more than likely, fake.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #925 (isolation #190) » Thu Oct 29, 2015 2:05 pm

The thing that bothers me (and makes me think is fake) is that Ether supposedly thought GM was a PR, yet she wasnt really trying to defend her, but mentioning it just enough to make her stance clear (she didnt think GM was scum), tho this probably more playstyle than anything, but when i defend someone i have a strong townread on, or against a lynch i disagree on, i literally yell very loud (see: My posts after LoHa claimed and how i was very adamant about giving him at least an extra day without a CC and kept telling ppl to not do it vs. Ether's "defense" of GM).

Ether could just be a very passive player, whereas im a very aggresive one, but it still feels very weak for someone thinking a PR was getting hung.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #931 (isolation #191) » Thu Oct 29, 2015 2:37 pm

In post 929, SilverWolf wrote:GM likes to crumb PR as scum in newbies. Did you catch that somewhere. I am so oblivious to that stuff as town I have no idea.

There was this one newbie where me and notty were scum and she was a Town JK, she crumbed with "Im never getting lynched" which notty caught so we shot her. I don't think she crumbing is related to her alignment.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #944 (isolation #192) » Fri Oct 30, 2015 2:28 pm

In post 943, Malakittens wrote:
Official Vote Count

lordj210
(3): OceanWind, Ether, SilverWolf

Mightymandarin
(2): MoosyDoosy, lordj210

Ether
(1): Sakura Hana

Not Voting
(2): Mightymandarin, LoHa

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline
: (expired on 2015-11-10 01:00:00)

This specific votecount is going to be very important tomorrow should lordj flip town.
Ether's credibility has been shot down with the lynch of GM resulting in a scum lynch, there's no way anything Ether's pushing would have 2 other voters unless the lynch is landing on Town and the actual Scum is helping push, my push on Ether is being stagnated by this push on lordj for some apparent D1 busing on a 9p open game?... really? Granted this analysis means both lordj and Ether are most likely town, but it's something to keep in mind, im gonna do a reset and re-read with GM's flip in mind, again, and assume Ether's town and see what i can come up with
UNVOTE:

Sakura Hana · Post Post #947 (isolation #193) » Fri Oct 30, 2015 5:36 pm

Yes today i want to lynch someone that didn't vote for GM yesterday.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #951 (isolation #194) » Sat Oct 31, 2015 2:45 am

Eh, it's worth a try
VOTE: Mandarin

Sakura Hana · Post Post #961 (isolation #195) » Sat Oct 31, 2015 7:38 am

In post 953, LoHa wrote:The fact that he hasn't voted throughout the entire game, no scumreads, it's like he's a jester.

I don't know why scum would play like that and I certainly don't understand why town VT would either, past-games tramae notwithstanding.

Wrong, Scum has all the motivation in the world to not vote, it prevents connections from being drawn, etc (look at how im thinking you're town just for the fact that GM insta voted you to form a counterwagon to her).

Sakura Hana · Post Post #963 (isolation #196) » Sat Oct 31, 2015 7:41 am

Eh for some reason i thought i was replying to lordj, point remains, but the "you" should be changed with lordj

Sakura Hana · Post Post #975 (isolation #197) » Sun Nov 01, 2015 3:14 pm

In post 972, Mightymandarin wrote:I thought it was considered a smart play for counterclaims to wait until the next day otherwise it's just one persons word against another?

As silverwolf just said, if a scum is fake claiming a PR, then the town can counter claim right now, we lynch one of the 2 and if we're wrong we lynch the other and town wins.

Sakura Hana · Mon Nov 02, 2015 11:15 am

I love how after i vote mandarin everyone's scum pools go from: Lordj, to Lordj/Mandarin

Sakura Hana · Mon Nov 02, 2015 11:42 am

I'm still thinking it's mandarin regardless, if there were more scum alive that message might have meant something, if Mandarin flips town and i die tonight, for anyone town remember it's a good idea to check who changed their stance on Mandarin and why.