Newbie 1759 (Game Over)

[Papa Zito]

Hello I am back from V/LA and ready to read things.

I see we have someone named SugarNips in this game, I'm pretty excited.

[Papa Zito]

Oh have a standard "what the hell is an IC" blurb while I'm reading:

As an IC I have a kind of double role in this game. First I'm a player like everyone else, so I'll be playing to my win condition (town BTW) just like everyone else. I'll be up to the rest of you to decide if I'm evil manipulative lying scum or not. But my other role is as sort of a mentor, and here I am bound by Being a Good IC. Feel free to ask questions about game mechanics, how things work, what things mean, and so forth and rest assured that I won't lead you astray on these topics. In that vein I suggest everyone read Commonly Used Abbreviations to get up-to-date on the lingo. I also recommend everyone read the rules carefully in any game you play, as each mod tends to have his/her own ruleset.

[Papa Zito]

Boo.

VOTE: SugarNips

Of course the best name in the game would be scum. :/

[Papa Zito]

holy crap

[Papa Zito]

Friend Computer, I regret to inform you that communist sympathizers have been interfering with your reading circuits. Unfortunately I only have Red level clearance so I cannot repair this myself.

[Papa Zito]

If you have said anything useful, say so.

Well I'm slightly biased here. I think everything I say is goddamn brilliant.

Let's Play Money Making Game.

Mr. Zito, it appears you have not posted any game related content.

This was your statement. Can you back up this statement.

[Papa Zito]

huh


At this time I would like to point out to the crowd about the incredibly useful Iso feature we have here on forum dot mafiascum dot net. Wait I did this recently. I'll just copy/paste that here:

The nice thing about the forum game is you can always go back and review things. I'll point you to the "Iso" feature - scroll to the bottom of the page, below the quick reply box, and you'll see "Display posts by user: "

Friend Computer plz use this incredible technology to have oooooooone last look at the logs and share your results tia.

[Papa Zito]

You voted SugarNips, but that was pretty much a RVS.

What makes you think that vote is random?

[Papa Zito]

No reasoning whatsoever, that's what!

Ok, fair enough. So what if I told you straight-out that my vote isn't random?

[Papa Zito]

Alright, a fine defense rJXr
UNVOTE: rJXr
VOTE: gigabyteTroubadour

Hi Nobita. I can tell you and I are going to be pals.

Can you talk to me about this giga vote plz?

[Papa Zito]

@Penguin: It's quaint. It's quirky.

Wow, this isn't a very random reason to vote for SugarNips, don't you think so, Papa Zito?
VOTE: Papa Zito
I'm sure you would agree this is a random reason to vote for you.

You lost me in a sea of snark. I don't know what this means. Can you plz rephrase.

He encourage everyone for RVS sheep idea
i admit his idea was right however i can't ignore my feeling there is ulterior motive behind this.
Additionally i found the way him persuade everyone by stated the reason for RVS and tell the benefit is very odd for me.
It's like he's a candy sellers who promoting an unknown candy to children whether that candy poisonous or not. the children doesn't know but he know and he don't care what will happen to children belly's as long he get moneys.

Ok let's explore this feeling a bit more.

If he is scum, aka he has an ulterior motive, that must mean that there is something about pushing RVS at the start of the game that promotes a scum agenda. What benefit do you see this providing to the scum team?

[Papa Zito]

I am seeing their benefit from RVS is control to hammer a townies, if they succeed to gain support from players then they have to control the flow of hammers. Might as well to distance the hammer from them.

RVS is a standard way to open games on this website. Does this fact change your opinion at all?

Additionally it also could be a good cover for them to start strong, players tend to believe the player who stand a top among them especially if them being aggressive.

This sounds more theoretical than practical . Do you feel giga accomplished that this game?

Gigabyte first post sheep was quite controversial, arguably he could be a player who taken a role lead for town first battle cry on first page but on other note he could be a scum who taken advantage to taken that role before someone from town did.

It sounds like you're saying giga's first post could come from either a town or scum perspective. Why bring it up?

[Papa Zito]

Does anyone have anything to say?

Nope, time to lynch SugarNips.

[Papa Zito]

God damn it, there is no reasoning whatsoever.

So?

[Papa Zito]

Actually

I much prefer a Fred lynch.

Can you explain this plz

[Papa Zito]

Groovie. The calm/not calm/"now my mind is clear" thing is extremely suss, I agree. I'm conflicted on the voting but I get what you're saying.

[Papa Zito]

...that's not how votes work.

[Papa Zito]

Does anyone have anything to say?

Nope, time to lynch SugarNips.

Why?

Why not?

[Papa Zito]

Because he might be town.

I meant we want to lynch only scum, and there's no logic as to why he's one.

Well, according to your worldview:

1. I might also be town. :3
2. You haven't presented any logic as to why I'm scum.

So I have to wonder why you're voting me here?

[Papa Zito]

I'd prefer we didn't hammer tbh

[Papa Zito]

Guys I'm telling you SugarNips is where it's at.

[Papa Zito]

Hurray movement.

[Papa Zito]

You're scum for simply just saying we should lynch SugarNips and not telling us how this person is scum. It seems like you already know very well who's scum and who isn't.

Here's a fun experiment: Go look over all of SugarNips' posts and report back on what you find.

[Papa Zito]

Here's a fun experiment: Go look over all of SugarNips' posts and report back on what you find.

I could say the same about you Zito, you've got a lot more posts but you certainly aren't saying that much more

You're not the first person to hold this opinion. Suffice to say I'm doing what works for me.

Have you read the game?

[Papa Zito]

Here's a fun experiment: Go look over all of SugarNips' posts and report back on what you find.

I could say the same about you Zito, you've got a lot more posts but you certainly aren't saying that much more

You're not the first person to hold this opinion. Suffice to say I'm doing what works for me.

Have you read the game?

requoting this hello

[Papa Zito]

uh... yes? It'd be kinda hard to play if I hadn't

Ok cool. Can you give me your top 3 scumpicks? And like a sentence or two for each.

[Papa Zito]

Zito hasn't been posting much, votes SugarNips for no good reason (inactivity =/= scum), and says that he's innocent even though he's posted just as much. (sarcasm in full force)

I regret to inform you I have additional fairy magic that shows this statement to be patently false.

Behold: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... rt_order=d

Query: Why would you be saying this when it's clear even without fairy magic that it's false?
Additionally: Can you honestly compare my posting vs SugarNips posting and conclude that we're anywhere close to similar in terms of content?
Corollary: Who got SugarNips to produce what content he has produced?
Finally: Your assumption on my vote is untrue. :V

[Papa Zito]

Ugh. You're avoiding all my wonderful questions.
Double ugh, this bizarre insistence that providing no rationale is somehow a scum move.
Triple ugh, you continue to assume the reasoning behind my vote.

Just a whole pile of ugh in that post.

[Papa Zito]

Has your read changed at all from the content he produced?

It hasn't, no. I find the refusal to take a stance on anyone in the game highly suspect.

[Papa Zito]

I have a lot of uncertainty about Friend Computer, he seems to be pushing really hard for a hammer of Fred, without really giving reasons why he wants him lynched. Basically it seems to me like he wants Fredrick gone because everyone else finds him suspicious, but one of the first arguments against Fred was that he was agreeing with other people too much (???)

^ Am I being too generous in thinking this is a stance :/?

Like it's weak and the lack of a vote or any indication that this read existed is concerning, but I feel like he's like Fred and just needs a nudge in the right direction and know what to do.

I would categorize that as being too generous yeah. "A lot of uncertainty" is not a stance. He hasn't given a single stance on a single player in this game. He hasn't even voted once. Imagine he's alive in a D3 lylo and you look back on his D1 play for clues - what the hell can you possibly conclude?

I've done my best to pressure that slot to produce

something.

I started with a naked pressure vote, I pushed that vote to attract more votes (I agree the lack of people joining is interesting here), I pushed that slot directly with questions.

uh... yes? It'd be kinda hard to play if I hadn't

Ok cool. Can you give me your top 3 scumpicks? And like a sentence or two for each.

Now that's the tricky part, no one strikes me as particularly scummy, yet. I'm mostly trying to get townreads, it's a lot easier to do at this point.

This isn't town. In theory this approach can work but guess what, if you're getting townreads which are "a lot easier to do" then by God there should be some townreads made

which means

holy hell by PoE you've got scumreads. But guess what, we don't get any of this, even under direct questioning, instead we get that waffle monster you quoted above on Friend Computer which doesn't actually say anything.

/rant

[Papa Zito]

btw I PMed Mina to find out where out mod went

[Papa Zito]

Penguin - Lynchpool

I'd like this explained.

[Papa Zito]

lol

[Papa Zito]

I'd like to remind the audience that we have 5 days left here which is around the time when we should start consolidating wagons.

[Papa Zito]

Yes I am attempting to make people panic a full 5 days before deadline. Your logic is unassailable, I am undone.

And I agree, I haven't talked extensively about SugarNips. At all. Especially not last page. Good thing Selnyee didn't ask you to comment on it.

Your last couple posts have been absolutely dreadful and clearly geared to throwing shade at me instead of scum hunting. I'll gladly lynch your slot as well.

[Papa Zito]

Ok let's break this down a bit.

Entrance was weird - the first thing he commented on when there was a wagon forming was the fact that rXJr placed him (and several others) at a position that looked like nullscum in a readlist.

What's 'weird' about this? And why is a scum player more likely to do it than a town one?

Push on Frederick feels understated (and is on a player that seems easy to lynch) and he hasn't really done much to sort the other slots.

What does "understated" mean? What are you expecting here?

For the second bit you could say that about basically the entire town.

also obviously this is new but i really hate his recent posts wrt to my reads, especially considering he has seen me play as town (from a moderator's perspective but still)

Can you be more specific here.

[Papa Zito]

No Vote (3):

Friend Computer, Selynee, SugarNips

this is not ok

[Papa Zito]

You really think nips is flipping town?

[Papa Zito]

I'm so confused right now.

[Papa Zito]

Penguins love salmon. Let's lynch nips and then tunnel gigs after nips flips town. Cool with that.

Probs rJ after that.

Let's lynch nips and then tunnel gigs after nips flips town. Cool with that.

Be less confused.

I haven't heard anyone endorse this so I don't know why you're acting like it's a done deal.

[Papa Zito]

rip

[Papa Zito]

I dunno how long you wanted to sit around and wait for an answer, giga.

Fact is guy claimed vanilla, refused to post any stances on anyone, and

still hasn't voted once

.

I cannot fathom how you'd townread that slot.

[Papa Zito]

We literally just had that conversation. What part of it did you take umbrage with.

[Papa Zito]

[Papa Zito]

Remind me why do we hate giga.

If it's already here someplace just link me tia.

[Papa Zito]

Welcome to the game, Showtime.

Papa, what

do

you think of Giga vs. Penguin?

I'll admit I skipped the meta argument entirely because I put 0 stock in it. (check my meta for details :3) Beyond that I

think

this is a tvt argument but I'm not sure. I'm fine with you two butting heads though because it means ya'll are active and I can look elsewhere. I'll be doing some iso dives at lunch.

VOTE: Friend Computer for now.

[Papa Zito]

Bluh.

Selynee why aren't you voting?

[Papa Zito]

What are you hoping to hear from them?

[Papa Zito]

I might have given Frederick more of a pass because only one can be mafia.

Can you talk about this more?

[Papa Zito]

In post 170 Fc puts Frederick at L-1 when there were obviously enough people who suspected him. He told others that "hammering is not forbidden" in post 175. So, I don't think there is any way they are a team as the entire thing would have been way too risky.

Who wasn't already on Frederick's wagon at that time that had expressed suspicion/willingness to vote him?

Also 175 was "Did you just get...TRUE NINJAED?" which I never understood.

[Papa Zito]

If you take suspicion as in post 98 (not a vote, but he said he is suspicious of Frederick and FOs him), there were two people voting for Frederick: me and rJXr.

Sorry, I meant the post 195.

I think you're misunderstanding my question.

You posit those two can't be scum together because Friend Computer put Frederick in danger by putting him at L-1. The assumption being one scumbuddy wouldn't do that to a partner, especially that early in the game.

I'm basically challenging the "danger" aspect. Frederick is only in danger if there's a willing hammer. L-1 means there were 4 people already on the wagon. I'm asking you who out of the remaining 5 looked ready to hammer him?

[Papa Zito]

is this real life

[Papa Zito]

I'll get a list once I get more time.
Zito looks like scum, and rJXr and PP look like PRs to me.

Lord in heaven why are you PR hunting.

Dude, look. Ok. Look. Do you see my join date? I've been on this site for more than 7 years. (holy crap I've been on this site for more than 7 years) I have a custom title. My name is a funky puke color. I'm the IC of this game. You keep repeating I'm scum and that's fine but

you're gonna have to put in some work to get me lynched

. So you want me dead? That's okay, let's see how you do it. Put up you dukes, let's get down to it. Hit me with your best shot. Why don't you hit me with your best shot? Hit me with your best shot. Fire away.

[Papa Zito]

ACK! Wrong page! Damnit!

Sorry. I am suspicious of Zito.

Can you plz explain what "wrong page" means here.

[Papa Zito]

basically waiting on zito before i give intent

frederick, a readlist would be nice too, or at least a summary of where your head is at

2)Friend Computer - scum
3)gigabyteTroubadour - null
4)Papa Zito - null
5)Penguin Power - null
6)rJXr - null
7)Selynee - null
8)Showtime - null

Good lord almighty.

Why aren't vigs a thing in newbie games? Vig is the best role. I'd vig the bajeezus out of this.

[Papa Zito]

basically waiting on zito before i give intent

Hello I'm back from a busy weekend.

What are you waiting on from me?

[Papa Zito]

I'd have to review but I seem to remember your (plural) arguments basically boiling down to playstyle differences.

[Papa Zito]

Good grief this is dead.

Normally I'd be hoping that's a sign that FC is scum and they're not cooperating but with 0 people talking that goes out the window.

I love you guys plz play mafia with me :/

[Papa Zito]

Hi Fred. Why don't you have any read on me whatsoever?

[Papa Zito]

FOS: Fredrick

For only having one read.

really??

[Papa Zito]

like 90% sure it's Showtime/FC

O__O

This is exactly where I'm at actually. I wasn't gonna mention the showtime read but hey there it is.

[Papa Zito]

Well he's scum or vanilla, no sense waiting.

[Papa Zito]

Well hopefully our silent savior does another miracle play and ends up buying us a full day.

Barring that yeah a massclaim will probably net us a 1v1 situation which gives us a much better chance of success.

[Papa Zito]

{Frederick} - Frederick

I approve of this category.

[Papa Zito]

If Showtime is the Doctor, lynch the Selynee. If Showtime is another townie, Selynee protect me, I do one more investigation, and we have already successfully deduced our scum.

Yup, this is the path forward.

With 2 confirmed townies and our PRs untouched this game is essentially over. ggwp everyone

[Papa Zito]

good game, well played


What are all these letters you have goin on?

[Papa Zito]

So Showtime did flake?

Boo.

[Papa Zito]

gj Immy you were a key player in this win