New Stuff:
In post 575, goodmorning wrote: In post 557, goodmorning wrote:I would love it if you were to die, but between you and me we both know it's far more likely to be neil.
Why would I say this and then kill neil anyway?
Also, yes, I am familiar with neil. No, I probably wouldn't kill
the one person who apparently believed I was Town
over someone heavily suspecting me like jon, and if anyone wants to continue to speculate on the NK then they need to stop it because WIFOM is only beneficial to Scum. (OH HEY LOOK WHO BROUGHT IT UP EH?)
So the conversation on the NK ends as soon as you defend yourself because everything else is WIFOM. Seems convenient. Answer me this, if Jon had been the NK who would have been the most likely to benefit?
In post 568, jon_h61 wrote:This is MYLO and is extremely important to the win.
I
can't afford to be lynched anymore.
This is LyLo.
The wording of this comes from Scum. Excited Scum with an easy mislynch in LyLo.
I'll try and make it hard for you but I'm not sure what more I can do.
@Jon
- Looking over the setup it is only Mylo
if
there is a bullet proof townie in the setup. Why would you assume Mylo over Lylo here?
@GM
- The bold seems off to me. What exactly are you seeing in Jon's post?
In post 569, jon_h61 wrote:Another thing that worries me about gm is how she didn't want to try to address anyone else as scum when she was scum reading me. I attempted to engage her in looking at others several times. I think our(gm's and mine) next conversations are going to be critical to the game.
So tunneling worries you? Bullshit. You and I both know that a solid tunnel is not particularly alignment-indicative. You're getting overexcited at the prospect of winning this game and that's making you feel like you need an extremely solid case to seal the deal. You feeling like you need an extremely solid case to seal the deal is what's leading to you making graspy points. And you making graspy points should lead to other people realizing that something's not right here.[/quote]
There seems to be some jumps in your thinking here GM.
Any follow up coming for either of these questions guys?
Old Stuff:
Looking back over the start.
Dritain contradicted himself bigtime in post
36.
Drone67 only contribution was
41,
42,
43. The rvs seems feigned I guess, otherwise I can only judge him on his successors.
Jon follows Edos in voting Drone (
51). If Drone is town then he would be low hanging fruit on Day 1. Dritain had made a fair few scummy posts at this point IMO so I am curious as to why Drone was deemed a worthier vote.
Then the next post Jon makes he revotes Drone (
78). There had been a fair few posts (all dead townies) so it seems odd he is reapplying pressure here.
Dritan's response seem pretty bad. I would hate if he got through Day 1 as scum cause he virtually lynched.
Jon's
126 is probably the towniest post seen off non-flipped role at this point in the reread which is pretty bad. That said other than Dritan no of the other roles are really posting (and the more I read the Dritan the more I'm getting annoyed at taking my eye off his role)
Espe's catchups were very non-committal (
187). He does place HitD correctly at town but without explanation (and HitD was looking reasonably scummy at the town). He also puts Edos at scum without very much to back it up with.
Dritain was defensive in
194. He deflects in
195 on VW.
Dritan's T/S list (
212) - Curiously Jon is his only townread (everyone else is null to scum) His comments on Espeonage seems off compared to his early attack on me as well. Dritan clearly has a scumread on HITD but still holds off voting.
216 and
218 between Jon and Dritan doesn't have the look of scumbuddies interacting.
Jon is putting a vote on VW. The closest thing to wagon was Dritan at this point but with votes all over the place it's probably a reach to consider this a counterwagon. It is the second time his vote follows Edos though.
Oh yeah SafetyDance replaces Drone.
227 is about as non-commital as a player can get.
Espe townreads me, Void and HITD with no real explanation again. He doesn't look like he's doing much reading of the thread but he finds town with no real effort.
SafetyDance is here. Wants to lynch from (Drit, VW, HITD) and we know at least two of these are town. He doesn't like Espe and Edos either.
Actually SD posts were quite good. He responded a bit but didn't stick around long. And he places his vote on Espe when he got his bearings. Likely Espe/SD are not scum together.
Chipmap catchup points to both VW/HITD who as well as being both town were two of the three likely lynches at this point for Day 1 (the other being Espe).
Espe has time to mention he thinks VW will be a mislynch, respond to the case against him but no time scumhunting (
280).
That'll have to do for now. Conclusions:
Jon - the pressure on Drone seems unexcessive but it's tough to really gage without a flip. I'd be inclined to say that Jon is town if Matti is scum. Similarly Jon and Espe are likely not scum together. The other thing to note is that is rarely the first vote on a wagon. On the other hand Jon is seeming the most townie at this point.
Drone/Safety - Drone did virtually nothing (though his three posts look fairly self conscious) and SD posts weren't much but look townish. Still very little to judge this role on due to low activity.
Espe - Hated his play. Lurky, low scumhunting etc. I think most of what I'm saying has been said to death. I couldn't even find any good interactions to judge him off.
Dritan/Chitmap - I actually kinda hate myself for letting this role live as long as it had. Dritan was really scummy day 1, disappeared and all his replacement did was just go through the motions. I need to read the rest of the Day but I am back to wanted to lynch this role right now.
Anyway, that's all for now. Will get back to this later.
