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I also play star rail. Hu Tao is a character from their other game Genhsin impactIn post 21, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I play a game Honkai Star Rail and the name Hu Tao reminds me of other Chinese names from that game so I picked them
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Well this is a fake read. You didn't even ask the reason as to why I voted gob in the first place so how could you know this?In post 45, Altaria wrote: VOTE: Hu Tao
doesn't really feel like she's trying to read gob here she just seems more concerned that she's being voted for
VOTE: altaria-
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Agrees and then vote themIn post 49, Altaria wrote: i guess i can see a world where she wasn't sure if it was an rvs vote and was trying to figure that out
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Umlaut
why is kyouko scum for asking about my drew read?-
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How is it shade when I'm voting you and quoting you directly? Shade is when I'm casting doubt on your slot but not voting or scumreading. Seems a bit defensive.-
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Then why not vote me?In post 58, Altaria wrote: scumreading me for a fake read even after i re-evaluated that read doesn't make me feel like you are trying to sort me in good faith-
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Seems like you're saying this for validation rather than an actual scumread-
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It is still early, if you town it up I can reconsider. At the moment I don't see it. What are your other reads at the moment? I know it's earlyIn post 65, Altaria wrote:In post 60, Hu Tao wrote:
Then why not vote me?In post 58, Altaria wrote: scumreading me for a fake read even after i re-evaluated that read doesn't make me feel like you are trying to sort me in good faith
i don't really think you're scum tbh. i'm more inclined to believe you just want to be right here which is preventing you from re-evaluating meIn post 61, Hu Tao wrote: Seems like you're saying this for validation rather than an actual scumread-
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Why can't it be both? What in particular makes it only 1?In post 78, DragonEater70 wrote: There's probably one scum in Drew/Hu Tao and I'm leaning Hu Tao
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In post 80, Doctor Drew wrote:
Nah it's me, I am trying to open wolf even more this game.In post 78, DragonEater70 wrote: There's probably one scum in Drew/Hu Tao and I'm leaning Hu Tao
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Weird post but probably too weird to be scumIn post 91, Galron wrote:
I don't like this vote but we need a decent wagon.In post 87, gob wrote:
Arent you just admitting you’re mafia here?In post 86, Doctor Drew wrote:
I will ask in our PT how he got there and get back to you.In post 85, Altaria wrote:
i mean he's right about me but i would like to see how he got thereIn post 84, Doctor Drew wrote:I feel like Dragon is a hot take sort of player
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Whoever you scum read. It's only 4 pages in, voting for just wagon sake is silly-
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I'm responding to thisIn post 97, Galron wrote: Tell me who I should be voting hu tao.-
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Why naughty-
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How confident are you in your altaria read? Have you played with them before?In post 120, DragonEater70 wrote: Assuming that's what you meant.-
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Yes. Post 45 seems forced, they voted me based on the gob vote but I never explained my gob vote. If they were curious about it then they would have just asked me before voting or suspecting me.-
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Okay, maybe that's my misunderstanding thenIn post 131, Altaria wrote:In post 125, Hu Tao wrote: Yes. Post 45 seems forced, they voted me based on the gob vote but I never explained my gob vote. If they were curious about it then they would have just asked me before voting or suspecting me.
dragoneater is right. your "why" made me feel like you were concerned about the vote and i didn't like how you accepted "why not" as an answer originallyIn post 126, DragonEater70 wrote: I didn't get the impression she voted you for 31, I thought she was voting you for 39 and 41
i'm not sure how this wasn't obvious to you after 55?
also i disagree with the assessment that i would have just asked you about it before putting pressure on you. sometimes people use voting as a way to communicate-
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Think he can't copy that as scum?In post 134, Doctor Drew wrote:
This vibes like gera from Mafia has a cop, those vibes being town.In post 132, geraintm wrote:
I don't expect to find scum day 1In post 130, DragonEater70 wrote: Like how can you hope to find scum Day 1 when everything is a crapshoot, as you say, without having a few people you trust?-
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I'm not sure, my reads are coming in a bit slow this game. Altaria I'm not as sure on as I was before.-
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I feel like everyone in this game is hard to read for some reason-
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I feel disengaged, maybe since recent talk has been meta.
Who does everyone think has had the worst day so far? (Not meta related)-
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Whose posting is the worst so farIn post 261, DragonEater70 wrote:
Wdym by worst day?In post 257, Hu Tao wrote: I feel disengaged, maybe since recent talk has been meta.
Who does everyone think has had the worst day so far? (Not meta related)-
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I'm not seeing the drew scumread so far-
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VOTE: Dragon-
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I think we need a flip. This game seems ro be the same conversation in different ways to me.-
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I don't townread them, so I'm fine with them gone if need be.-
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For some reason I have a nagging feeling you're scum ssbm, but I'm not sure why. It's just one of the gut reads I have-
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No one
Maybe Drew, since I don't read him as scum.-
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Sus post by you. Just because others scumread him, doesn't mean I have to be inclined to feel the sameIn post 383, Umlaut wrote:
It looks to me like plenty is happening. What's the hurry?In post 362, Hu Tao wrote: I think we need a flip. This game seems ro be the same conversation in different ways to me.
Also, why don't you think a Drew flip is possible when like half the game has scumread/voted him at some point?-
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I'm also starting to get sus of Gob but I'm not sure why.-
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VOTE: Dragon-
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What is the difference?In post 406, Celebloki wrote: Ok, I've gone back and re-read and actually forced myself to understand some of the minutiae of some of the interactions that I glazed over while V/LA. Specifically stuff like the Altaria/Umlaut "drew read" stuff and the gob/Hu Tao reads and OMGUS accusations.
I find a lot of that stuff to generally be early RVS or RVS adjacent reaches for early reads.
In my previous few posts I felt I was seeing a different gob in this game. I think I am changing my mind about that. Reading his response to the drew open wolfing and his 'can't remember' why he was scum reading people and waffling around actually reminds me a lot of Large 245 where he was scum. He similarly was wildly flopping around and didn't appear to be fully reading or comprehending the game state in that game and afterwards when reading the Scum PT he was actually doing a great job keeping the town off balance in that game. I'll say at this point I won't say he must be scum then, but I am not going to claim he's different and say he's town. Since I have no town game to compare him too I just can't be sure he isn't always like this.
Similarly, DE feels very similar in this game as he did in Open 890 to me. Aliana already pointed out some of his similar posts from that game. He also posted more actively and confidently in that game which I think I am also seeing here.
Since I am going off meta vibes, I am also seeing a different Hu Tao here than her town presence in Large 245.
In light of not having any completed personal games with these players that would give me a contrasting alignment meta on them, I am not fully comfortable basing reads on them, but I think these 3 are my stronger scum reads at the moment, Dragon probably being the biggest. The interaction with Drew really pinged me.-
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Meta is so silly, people say I act differently every game it is so funny-
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Caught me. I got that juicy scum role pm-
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If you want-
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I'm also fine with a gob flash wagon-
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It is indeed very interestingIn post 449, Doctor Drew wrote: How do we go from signalling Gob to claim, to flash wagon in Hu?
This seems off.-
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I agree with this analysisIn post 482, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
Gonna follow this up with some intermediary VCs cuz something feels fishy about what I just readIn post 422, T3 wrote:Day 1 VC 6:
DragonEater70 (5 [E-1]): Doctor Drew, Altaria, geraintm, Hu Tao, Celebloki
Umlaut (2): ssbm_Kyouko, Aliana
Doctor Drew (1): Umlaut
gob (1): DragonEater70
Not voting (1): gob
Dragon claims in 431. Altaria swaps to gob in 432. Next Celebloki swaps in 436 after Altaria and Dragon both say they're okay with either gob or umlaut.
Next Hu Tao and then Alianna vote gob in 440 and 441 (ali says this is E-1), then in 442 Drew intents to hammer. 440 and 442 are 19 minutes apart
Umlaut at 445 voices he is not going to vote gob
When Umlaut moves for Hu Tao instead of gob in 446, Altaria quickly follows Umlaut's reasoning to Hu Tao but previously was saying she was okay with Umlaut/gob. The move to Hu Tao seems inconsistent with Altaria's play so far. Then Drew says the first thing he's said all game that has really townpinged me in 449
Hu tao, Celebloki, and Altaria were on both Dragon's and gob's E-1 wagons, feels like Altaria is not treating everyone equally here since she's now sheeping her previous POE'd lim on Hu Tao while also "liking" Celebloki (this is an older read but I dont see how Celebloki is any different than Hu Tao here, or from me, gob, or Alianna for that matter. We all want a lim that is not one of the people we think is town and as we approach deadline people are getting more aggressive with their votes. Even Altaria is doing this, so pushing Hu Tao for it is not a good look imo)
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So I'm scum because I'm not putting enough effort in for your liking?In post 483, Altaria wrote: how am i sheeping umlaut when i expressed suspicion there before he even voted?
i'll admit i considered not going there because i'm still somewhat suspicious of umlaut but i think the way hu tao has tagged along on both the dragon and gob wagons outweighs those worries about umlaut
i'm a little wary of you and aliana but y'all are both putting in more effort than hu tao. i think celebloki and drew are town, and i know i'm town, so i'm not sure why you think it's a bad look for me to push hu tao here-
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Agreed. I thought your explanation was clear, drewIn post 484, Doctor Drew wrote:
You missing everything I am saying if you ask me this question.In post 481, Altaria wrote:
okIn post 479, Doctor Drew wrote:
I meant you will expose yourself as scum.In post 477, Altaria wrote:
how? she is barely playing the game. why do you think she will expose herself but gob won't?In post 475, Doctor Drew wrote:
I want to understand why not gob over Hu.In post 474, Aliana wrote:
Lol, maybe I don't get what you were saying.In post 473, Doctor Drew wrote: Aliana, but I am not even calling Altaria scum here.
Did you think I was?
I thought you were implying Altaria was jumping on a counterwagon to save her buddy gob.
If she is scum then will just expose herself.
Was talking to Aliana about my read on you if that wasn't clear.
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Locking Drew as town, I think his posts make so much sense.-
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I started the gob quick wagon. So if I'm scum are you saying I'm saving my scum teammate dragon after making him claim? Or are you saying I'm scum who wanted to remove pressure off one town to another?In post 508, Altaria wrote:
that's certainly one way to phrase itIn post 506, Hu Tao wrote:
So I'm scum because I'm not putting enough effort in for your liking?In post 483, Altaria wrote: how am i sheeping umlaut when i expressed suspicion there before he even voted?
i'll admit i considered not going there because i'm still somewhat suspicious of umlaut but i think the way hu tao has tagged along on both the dragon and gob wagons outweighs those worries about umlaut
i'm a little wary of you and aliana but y'all are both putting in more effort than hu tao. i think celebloki and drew are town, and i know i'm town, so i'm not sure why you think it's a bad look for me to push hu tao here
i think you could be scum because you're not really doing much solving, you want to end the day for a reason i don't think makes much sense, and you're just jumping from wagon to wagon without much reasoning-
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In post 428, Hu Tao wrote: If you wantIn post 430, Hu Tao wrote: I'm also fine with a gob flash wagonYou literally followed my lead, then complained about it after.
Altaria could be scum, maybe I was right before.-
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I think his question was very clear, it seemed more like you not answering and trying to flip it as something else-
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In post 533, Aliana wrote:This is a mistake. I hardclaim reviver and I resurrected the dead mafia goon last night.
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Naur.. You did great. Didn't know it was you. Makes me want to make a secret account nowIn post 558, Altaria wrote: i feel like i did so good...-
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So we all just wait for Dragon?-
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That's so funnyIn post 586, Doctor Drew wrote: Didn't someone run a game a few years back where everyone was given a secret alt they had to play under?
I even wanna say if you alt slipped you were mod killed.-
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I think we just wait for dragon. Not sure why scum wouldn't kill the JK claim though...-
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How does it work if JK keeps scum but scum kills JK? I thought scum kills JK in that scenario?-
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Guess we still wait-
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Hmm. I'll ponder what the best move is here-
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I thought so as well, but I understand the logic which is why I think it's worth thinking about what's optimal.-
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I thought it over. It's optimal to no Elim here. We do force scum to kill. Even if it's outside of dragon.-
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VOTE: no elim-
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