Mini 2286: Legends of the Hidden Temple IV (Explorers Win!)
-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe
-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe
-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe
-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe
I still get a little rush every single time someone calls me Town. Humans really are creatures of instinct.In post 41, mastina wrote:LOCKTOWN:
{Save the Dragons}
TOWN:
{Ythan}
LEAN TOWN:
{Yume, Gamma Emerald}
{Aisa}
{Cephrir}
NULL:
{Flea the Magician, Hu Tao, furtiveglance}
{Nancy Drew 39}
SCUM:
{MegAzumarill}-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe
Huh, have you ever heard of the concept of fluff?In post 83, furtiveglance wrote:[...]
Why even post this? Could be mafiaIn post 15, Hu Tao wrote:The More You Know
In post 27, Ythan wrote:Sigh
Same feeling with thisIn post 32, Ythan wrote:fingerguns
Do you trust cephrir?
This whole exchange makes me townlean Yume, I also townlean Nancy so far. But maybe you (Cephrir) made me think that way.In post 54, Yume wrote:
Yea.In post 53, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
Like this <3?In post 52, Yume wrote:Like, I dunno how to explain it in the way those who weren't around in that game would understand.
Well, it's like a sideways heart emoji.-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe
-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe
That makes sense I guess. Totally separate question, has mastina talked to you in the hood about Meg, as of this post?In post 128, Yume wrote:
Buddying.In post 126, Aisa wrote:Yume, tell me a bit more about heartemojigate. Do you think there might be scum motivation behind it?-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe
Ohhh! Anything you dislike about my posting, or is it just furtive so far?In post 136, Gamma Emerald wrote:I’d rather not have a challenge until Flea and the worst post
But I’m okay with the idea of a challenge on the Parrots
Ftr I think Ythan is town since I see no real buddying or pocketing going on rn in our thread from her
Same! I’m quoting this to reinforce the expectation that Town shouldn’t instachallenge the second a post pings you the wrong wayIn post 137, Cephrir wrote:i'd prefer to get some significant reads before challenges start flying around, but i'm probably kidding myself thinking that's a possibility
tbf hasn’t happened so far-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe
-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe
I think he vibes pretty townie so far actually. He sounds normal and I think his reads make sense. I know the post about memes looks scummy but I don't really think it's scum-indicative for him.
What do you think of this follow-up Flea?In post 166, furtiveglance wrote:I think focusing on elimination is the most important thing in any game, we can't leave like in a dance game so I don't see why it's particularly important to read your teammate correctly-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe
In post 171, Flea The Magician wrote:I think it's weak sauce. it's skimmed milk - dyed water.
Ironically comes labelled with red.
Considering our teammates are potentially scum, we need to get the feel on them asap as far as I'm bothered, I promise you Nancy and me will be constantly checking each other.
Treating this as some weird open-hydra thing sets bells off for me. Is your PT active?
I agree there's a mechanical reason to prioritise sorting your partner, since challenging a team also impacts your partner. I think having a good read on your partner is one resource and there are paths to winning that don't involve that.In post 172, Flea The Magician wrote:My priority currently is working out Nancys alignment.
If I think she's red, I'll be open about it and encourage challenges on us for it.
If I think she's green, its hydra time.
Is your accusation that furtive is too chill about my alignment or something else?
The PT has 8 posts between me and furtive. I'd call it moderately active, we haven't solved string theory yet, but hey, maybe by the end of the game.-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe
Meg, does the point in the following post factor into your Nancy read?
In post 112, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I think her point is she's trying to listen to input people provide that comes from hood contentsIn post 74, Yume wrote:
I appreciate it, but do not use another player's meta as a reference. I tried doing that once, using two different players to justify my stance. It backfired.In post 72, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
Bell and Taly were in a hood and Bell hard sr them but I didn’t listen and I think Yume seems really sincere so I’m trusting their gut on that for now.In post 70, Ythan wrote:What does Yume have to do with Bell and Taly?-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe
-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe
Did Flea think you were obvious town or obvious scum in that game?In post 187, furtiveglance wrote:[...]
If I had to guess, Flea, I'd say you're deliberately making quite dubious statements about me that you don't even believe, in order to try and sort me by my response. I recently read the endgame of Chromavalon, you seemed to think I was obvious by virtue of passivity (and your role). I think you're town for this, but I don't have confidence that you'll read me correctly, since I called you town when I was scum in that game.-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe
Gamma is channeling her inner RH9!!
Still looking for a response to this if poss, FleaIn post 184, Aisa wrote:What makes you think he wants to avoid scrutiny?-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe
-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe
Ok - thanks for patiently answering my questions. Here's how I see it.In post 183, Flea The Magician wrote:My accusation is furtive already seems to want to avoid scrutiny and seems to want to avoid finding out your alignment. There's either a mechanical blunder here, or badly disguised intent. I remember him being a little stronger on both sides so I'm going to start throwing accusations and see what sticks for now. ftr The Blue Barracudas have 11 and we're already comparing reads. I've only been active today.
I don't think furtive is quite avoiding scrutiny - my impression is that he's pretty null on seeking vs avoiding scrutiny. He isn't exactly running around screaming for people to engage with him, but he answers questions. You could argue he's possibly trying to avoid scrutiny by saying he doesn't have a read on me yet, but I find the way he's talked about it quite natural. In fact, I'm pretty sure I have said something very close to "I don't have a strong read on Player X yet, why would I state a read on them out loud" in a game as Town before.
Funnily, the word "passive" came to mind before furtive mentioned it. I think "furtive is being a little passive" feels like a more precise read of the situation than "furtive committed a mechanical blunder".
It also sounds like you suspect furtive of keeping his cards close to his chestIn post 201, Flea The Magician wrote:
Thought I'd responded to this, sorry.In post 197, Aisa wrote:Gamma is channeling her inner RH9!!
Still looking for a response to this if poss, FleaIn post 184, Aisa wrote:What makes you think he wants to avoid scrutiny?
166 is the main one in thread, combined with seeminly no mention of you at all in game but happily reading out and mentioning others. Feels very much cards close to chest and I don't like it honestly.specifically with regards to my slot. In order for this to be scum indicative, IMO, you need to have some theory for what makes scum!furtive specifically want to play his cards close to his chestwith regards to me. Granted, I think there are reasons scum could do this, but I can also think of reasons town would do this.-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe
I think so, though I guess these kinds of impressions can be pretty evanescent and subjective. I don't think of it as a bad thing at all FWIW!In post 208, Gamma Emerald wrote:More than most people? it's a pretty common phrase.
Also I have some form of read on everyone except tw rn
I'd still like to apologise for bringing up RH9 without him being here and would like to drop this now.-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe
As in, I think his behaviour may be simply be the result of having limited time and not valuing sorting his teammate as much as Nancy or Flea do.In post 213, Aisa wrote:Funnily, the word "passive" came to mind before furtive mentioned it. I think "furtive is being a little passive" feels like a more precise read of the situation than "furtive committed a mechanical blunder".
I've touched on this, but I think that there are multiple ways a Townie can make themselves useful in this setup. The neighbourhood is definitely a resource, but having a nullread on your teammate and good reads on the rest of the playerlist would also be very helpful.
In short, I guess that the accusation Flea is levelling here is that furtive doesn't seem to prioritise sorting me, but I don't see how that's scum-indicative.-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe
Would love to hear what you think the motivation might beIn post 252, Cephrir wrote:
i was going to say something like "surely there are other pairs who aren't focused on each other" but then i realized there actually aren'tIn post 222, Flea The Magician wrote:And with your team. It's possible for both members of the team to be scumbuddies and generally an early tactic is often to not bring any light onto your buddies. The absence of you from his ISO screams louder than anything else there, and it caught my attention.
aisa's defense comes off townie but it's curious that it was posted from a motivation standpoint. why not let furtive fight his own battles
I'll be back later with chunkier thoughts-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe
Flea, is this a fair summary of your thoughts of furtive?
You note that furtive had talked a bit about everyone except me. This intrigued you because you think it is important to sort one's teammate. You also note that furtive expresses himself in short sentences, almost as if he didn't want to elaborate, both in general and specifically when question about his read on me.
One idea you are considering is that furtive and I are scum together.
You note that I assumed you thought furtive not trying to sort me was scum-indicative, though you never said so. I am defending furtive both actively and indirectly. There's also something about my posting style (that I don't completely understand). Think makes me a bit suspicious in your eyes.
----
Additionally, do you or do you not think that furtive not attempting to sort me (at the time this discussion started etc etc) is AI?-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe
-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe
Still curious. I contemplated letting this go but then realised I'd look like a fool if I asked a bunch of questions without others answering them and since my primary motivator in life is avoiding embarrassment at all costs, wellIn post 297, Aisa wrote:
Would love to hear what you think the motivation might beIn post 252, Cephrir wrote:
i was going to say something like "surely there are other pairs who aren't focused on each other" but then i realized there actually aren'tIn post 222, Flea The Magician wrote:And with your team. It's possible for both members of the team to be scumbuddies and generally an early tactic is often to not bring any light onto your buddies. The absence of you from his ISO screams louder than anything else there, and it caught my attention.
aisa's defense comes off townie but it's curious that it was posted from a motivation standpoint. why not let furtive fight his own battles
I'll be back later with chunkier thoughts-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe
I guess just trying to understand how Flea's mind works and whether they are Town given the whole situation with Flea saying I'm making assumptions.In post 330, Ythan wrote:
What prompted this post?In post 320, Aisa wrote:Flea, is this a fair summary of your thoughts of furtive?
In post 253, Flea The Magician wrote:
I haven't implied anything. I've said exactly what I've said. This is an afterthought and a chunky one at that, with enough time to step away and come back.In post 241, furtiveglance wrote:
Wow I wonder what you're really subtly implying here...oh no if I infer anything from this then it reveals my very sus defensive pov how smart of youIn post 237, Flea The Magician wrote:
This is interesting, as this is a 18 minute later clarification and deflection on furtives behalf as well as a nice lil twist on what I've said so far.In post 217, Aisa wrote: [...]
My initial interpretation of the 18 minutes later comment was also that Flea wanted to imply that I was suspicious, and then there's furtive not prioritising sorting me, which we've been over.In post 237, Flea The Magician wrote:Now for the twist, you're stating that I believe furtive not prioritising sorting you is scum-indicative.
I haven't said that, at all - though I can see the skimmed milk off hand comment being seen as such.
My current guess is that Flea is Town, but imo making assumptions of the sort I have been making is acompletely reasonablething to do. Comments like "This is interesting, as this is a 18 minute later clarification and deflection on furtives behalf as well as a nice lil twist..." have a tone where, for most other players, you can safely assume means they scumread you.
And as I was turning over Flea's posts in my head I realised that after 253 I still wasn't sure if Flea SRed furtive for not wanting to sort me, that was one of my main concerns. Basically wondered if Flea was playing a big game of misdirection / pretending fae didn't mean what they actually meant.
To be clear I townlean Flea despite this, I think there are enough other indicators of a townie mindset and faer tone seems quite natural.-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe
Nancy I tr you, I also just reread Flea's 351 and kinda feel the urge to take my townlean back lol
FWIW I hard TR furtive at this point, thought admittedly not when I started defending him. Thank you for you high praise hehe. FWIW I think that other considerations are that one person defending themselves is often not as persuasive as someone else also defending them, and also, fundamentally just gotta talk about something at some point.In post 331, Cephrir wrote:
Presumably it means you either townread him strongly and are imo playing badly by not letting him defend himself on the off chance you're wrong, or are partners.In post 324, Aisa wrote:
Still curious. I contemplated letting this go but then realised I'd look like a fool if I asked a bunch of questions without others answering them and since my primary motivator in life is avoiding embarrassment at all costs, wellIn post 297, Aisa wrote:
Would love to hear what you think the motivation might beIn post 252, Cephrir wrote:
i was going to say something like "surely there are other pairs who aren't focused on each other" but then i realized there actually aren'tIn post 222, Flea The Magician wrote:And with your team. It's possible for both members of the team to be scumbuddies and generally an early tactic is often to not bring any light onto your buddies. The absence of you from his ISO screams louder than anything else there, and it caught my attention.
aisa's defense comes off townie but it's curious that it was posted from a motivation standpoint. why not let furtive fight his own battles
I'll be back later with chunkier thoughts-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe
Piques my curiosity as I don't recall you asking me anything and I don't know how to sort you, so please do ask anything you wantIn post 401, Cephrir wrote:I currently suspect both of you enough to want more information, yes-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe
Are you or Yume going to do this? If not, is there anything you're waiting for?In post 327, mastina wrote:
worstie I need a response bestie.In post 263, mastina wrote:Worstie are you okay with us dueling you+Meg?
I don't think you're scum with Meg but think Meg is scum.
I may be able to post more later-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe
In short, I think Meg is scummy, I've seen enough and would like to see the game moved into the next stage, a challenge.
In long:
Yesterday, furtive said he wanted to challenge Meg, so I turned to the PT to discuss this with him.In post 411, furtiveglance wrote:Voting does nothing. If no one challenges Meg's team with the worst, then I will, just so we can vote Meg out.
I scumlean Meg as much as anyone else, but she hasn't posted much. I sort of debated with myself for a bit yesterday whether it was time for a challenge or whether we should wait for more content from certain slots, including Meg. I didn't come to a super definite conclusion but was kinda like "I accept it if you want to challenge Meg" in the PT.
furtive was like "uh ok so can I challenge the Snakes or not? "
I thought about it some more, saw Meg's post today and I am pretty ready to see a challenge on the snakes. But I don't want to voluntarily walk into a challenge unprompted - I thought I should at least try to get a different team to challenge the Snakes.
I obviously don't know how to be sneaky sneakk about getting another team to challenge the Snakes since you picked this up immediately.
Thanks for this by the way :3In post 425, Flea The Magician wrote: You're always welcome to ask where I stand on someone. For now, furtive is in no danger from me.
Yeah I understand this is your position now, I was discussing a confusion that took place before that post (253?)In post 427, Flea The Magician wrote:In fact I stated as much in the post you said, there as no interesting in seeing either of you eliminated.-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe
See my friend this is the issue, you can't justIn post 541, furtiveglance wrote:If mastina's team doesn't challenge Meg's team, then I willofferto challenge the Snakes in the public thread, if you do then obviously everyone will want to take you up on the offer-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe
-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe
-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe
I mean you’re not necessarily at less risk if Meg does start doing things? What’s this?In post 614, the worst wrote:I wish this was more motivating than it is I just feel like I'm waiting for megazu to do something and if they don't I'm probably dead ig?-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe
I think that getting that feeling of "hold on... every player is ok with this elimination" is a great time to stop and reassess the person you're about to vote out, but if you still think they're scum after reassessing, well, that's that.
Note that I am NOT advocating for a hammer, I am in fact writing a wall partly about the opposite-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe
-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe
This is where I got to. I am obviously not going to bother finishing it now lol but enjoy the read, everyone
-----------
General thoughts on the gamestate
I think I understand the votes moving fast here, because both Meg and the worst have not been very active for several days and neither have really towntelled. I operate... slowly and I have an instinctive reaction of aversion to quick votes, but I get that others don't.
I think that if someone out there is considering hammering will still not advocate for anything other than patience here. Meg said they want a chance to leave their thoughts on the game; let's give them at least 24 hours to get their thoughts out. Gamma also wants Ythan to weigh in, which she would also have a chance to do if we waited a day.
Yume
@Yume:why did you vote for Meg? Can you write a couple sentences about why you think they might be scum?
Spoiler:
There's not much to say here, except that this progression looks kinda towny. A few of these posts were made quite close together; particularly from "she posted something in our PT" to "it's like a sideways heart emoji". The way she broke up the thought across multiple posts while getting questioned by Nancy makes her suspicion of mastina seem more real. scum!yume would have had to be deliberately vague initially and given the low post count I'm not sure she would expend energy on something this convoluted.
Well. That was a lot of words.Slight townlean.
mastina
I had an initial townlean on her because I approved of her initial readslists, but on a reread I am no longer confident. She hasn't done anything overly scummy but I'm not seeing anything scum couldn't fake.
One worry is that some of her pushes, such as the push on Flea, register as possible scum trying to shake the game up.
Null.
MegAzumarill
A hard read given half her ISO is about the heart emoji, and I think her reaction to that whole affair was maybe a bit excessive.
As for her wall...
Spoiler:
[Here I was going to explain that her points that stood out to me most were the ones on posts 202 and 253. I don't agree that 253 is a good analysis (duh), in fact it's not much of an "analysis" at all. Can elaborate on this if asked. Post 202 was actually kinda making me tinfoil furtive.]-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe
-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe
-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe
-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe
-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe
-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe
Bold of you to think I have threeIn post 883, furtiveglance wrote:
Aisa who are your top 3 scumreads?In post 880, Aisa wrote:Hi I am here for an hour, do what you want with me!
I tr furtive, Nancy, maybe Flea, I guess I'm kinda sus of StD and the worst. There are a lot of people kinda stuck in null land. I know I told you in the PT that Gamma and Ceph were trending upwards in my reads, I can try to see if I remember what made me tr them later I guess.
I can't work out if challenging someone out of the blue like you did is more scum indicative or more town indicative. I think that you should be held accountable for making the challenge and should be able to explain that choiceIn post 884, Gamma Emerald wrote:and like, can you give some thoughts on the current situation?
I guess you already have to some extent but like, would be interested to hear any elaboration-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe
In general, I am a bit confused as to why I'm getting scumread.
Don't get me wrong, I think it's to do with my playstyle, but it seems to be causing me more issues than when I first started playing on here again in 2022, I'm not sure if it's just an unlucky spell or if I need to reconsider some elements of my play or what. For example, Gamma:
this isn't your first encounter with me and I think that writing walls, vomiting out reads and not interacting in real time as much as other players are all features of my playstyle, maybe as either alignment. I don't think you ever thought any of these things were a problem before, so I don't understand why you suddenly think they are a problem now.In post 783, Gamma Emerald wrote:here why I wanted to wait to explain the Aisa read: I had a meme in mind.
[image]
Basically, when a player pops in like Aisa does and just gives commentary/vomits out reads at the expense of real-time interaction, and immediately dips after doing so, I find that comes from scum more often than not.
(I would like to hear your answer please)-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe
You oscillate a lot in my reads.
I think there are a lot of elements of your play that are quite strong towntells. You interact a lot in real time (yes, I recognise this is a towntell!), you often post in the game above what's required of you to look towny, and I think that some of your posts are more likely to come from a Town mindset.
On the other hand, some of the stuff you post runscompletely counterto the way my brain works. It's hard for me not to see some of your ideas as scum trying to drive through an agenda.
Overall I think you're more likely to be Town. You're not on my hitlist for the moment, but this read is liable to changes in my mood.-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe
-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe
Ok, that seems fair I guess. Admittedly my play has probably also changed a bit since we last played together.
I wasn't sure whether to point it out, and people are allowed to think I'm scummy regardless.In post 826, Save The Dragons wrote:aisa announced a VLA for this time period so i don't really see it as a scummy pop in
But, yeah. I think I am allowed to state that it has been a few busy days irl and that probably changes my usual posting patterns. Deciding if the way it changed is scummy or towny is an exercise left to the reader.-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe
-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe
I can't explain my STD read super well, it's partly vibes but I'll try.
Something about the way he is pushing people pings me as a possible scum move. Examples are:
I disagree, I think Nancy vibes towny in a faily clear way. I wonder if this is one of those vibes that scum find it hard to pick up on.In post 369, Save The Dragons wrote:[...]
I won't pretend I'm the best Nancy reader but her tone feels off. Sometimes she feels super town when town and sometimes she doesn't feel super town and here she doesn't
Bahh maybe this is just unfamiliarity at furtive's playstyle, but just felt like a pretty cheap attack at the timeIn post 358, Save The Dragons wrote:
I'm just wondering where's the indignation at being wrongfully accused as a townie. It just feels like you're resigned to all attacks against you because they're onto something but I dunno if that is true or just how you play. I think I can try to give you benefit of the doubt and see if there's better reasons to scumread or townread you though.In post 356, furtiveglance wrote:
I try and keep it fairly concise and clear, but if you want me to explain something in more detail then I can tryIn post 349, Flea The Magician wrote:
Its playstyle, words are short, structure is statements only. Drives me nuts ngl and still trying to diffuse what I can from it myself.In post 317, Save The Dragons wrote:i feel like furative's posts lack emotion and i don't know if that's just playstyle
I got thinking about this after furtive and I talked briefly about the interactions between cephrir and STD in the hood and furtive explained that he townread STD very slightly just for being the aggressor.
That got me thinking and I don't see the particular brand and context of STD's aggression / push on the people he's pushed as town-indicative at all.-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe
That's quite likely, I haven't been paying that much attention to you, finding it hard to coerce my brain into thinking about people who I haven't interacted with much directly
furtive asked me about 3 scumreads and I guess I felt pressure to have three so I just retrieved something that once felt suspicious from my memory
The "if I were scum" card is like, possibly the least convincing card of all time for me, sorry-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe
-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe
@STD To me, the fact I've found it hard to engage / have useful thoughts on your posting is proof that maybe you haven't been as attention getty as you claim. My theory is that if you are scum, your strategy is to check in once a day, make a couple posts, throw a little shade, then slink out before you attract too much attention.
Granted, maybe cephrir or Nancy would have a different take on how attention getty you have been.
I'm not pushing you now or anything, it's not like I volunteered this read on an attempt to get you eliminated. You mostly live in null land. I promise I'll take a closer look at you in the next couple days.
Now that I skimmed your ISO again, I see you dropped your suspicion of Nancy pretty quickly. I remember now, that was one of the things that felt sussy at the time.In post 906, Save The Dragons wrote:also pulling the "if i were scum card" but i'd definitely not attack random people i knew would get aggro at me (nancy) or upset with me (cephrir)
One moment you were like "Hmm Nancy's tone is scummy" and 5 hours later you were like "nvm Nancy may be town now". Actually now that I think about it this might be town-indicative. But I don't think you get credit for attacking someone who defends herself fiercely, because it was a pretty tame and short lived attack.-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe
STD, if you think cephrir is scum why haven't you pushed that more actively?
I mean, two data points are better than one and one data point is worse than two, right?In post 918, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I don’t think it’s a relevant assumption unless you think both Nancy and ceph can be scumIn post 916, furtiveglance wrote:
I don't even scumread you. I just noticed an assumptionIn post 915, Save The Dragons wrote:also like do you think town never defends themselves with shitty defenses?
In the world of scum!STD, scum!Nancy and town!ceph, STD is still being cheeky about on 50% of his argument.-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe
Yes, that penny dropped sometime in the last 30 minutesIn post 921, Save The Dragons wrote:you realize my attack on nancy was partially a reaction test to see how she would react and she reacted in the way i expected town!nancy to react?
(assuming you are town)
ohIn post 922, Save The Dragons wrote:In post 917, Aisa wrote:once a day
as brice from survivor would sayIn post 917, Aisa wrote:5 hours later
dot dot dot hmmmm
hmmmmm-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe
Yes, that penny dropped sometime in the last 30 minutesIn post 921, Save The Dragons wrote:you realize my attack on nancy was partially a reaction test to see how she would react and she reacted in the way i expected town!nancy to react?
(assuming you are town)
ohIn post 922, Save The Dragons wrote:In post 917, Aisa wrote:once a day
as brice from survivor would sayIn post 917, Aisa wrote:5 hours later
dot dot dot hmmmm
hmmmmm-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe
I feel like this has been a productive chat with you, STD, and
well
I kinda wanna townread you now
but I'm gonna sleep on it.
And while we're on the topic of sleep... thanks for coming to my AMA, it will soon be time for me to go to sleepy sleep. I go back to vomiting thoughts onto the thread once a day for the next three days now okk?-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe
Ok I didn't go to bed yet
I am wondering if Gamma might have been nitpicking furtive's point on purpose, I am more interested in Gamma than in furtive here.
But to accuse Gamma of nitpicking felt like nitpicking itself, so I wasn't sure how aggressively to challenge Gamma on that and ended up settling for a pretty softball wording of my point
Welcome to my brain @_@-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe
-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe
-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe
Link to full post I'm responding to - post 898
I realised after I asked that I was not completely sure how this information should to affect my reads. I think that if I found out that yes, mastina had already mentioned challenging the Snakes in her hood, it would have made me want to townread mastina slightly?In post 898, furtiveglance wrote:Aisa asks Yume whether mastina has been plotting against Meg in the hood - prior to this mastina had called Meg scum in her ridiculously early reads. I think this needs explaining by Aisa.
I brought it up just to show my thought process I guess. Still pretty confident you're Town.In post 154, Aisa wrote: [Here I was going to explain that her points that stood out to me most were the ones on posts 202 and 253. I don't agree that 253 is a good analysis (duh), in fact it's not much of an "analysis" at all. Can elaborate on this if asked.Post 202 was actually kinda making me tinfoil furtive.]I can understand the motivation to post this after the hammer as coming from either alignment. I would too if I'd spent time making a post (like this one). What I'm struggling to understand is the part at the end, in [square brackets]. What's the point of what I bolded in particular? Meg has just flipped Mafia, so why tell the group that their case on me influenced you? Besides, why is it in the past tense? Meg has flipped but I haven't, and yet it sounds like you've now ruled out the possibility of Meg bussing me (from the use of 'actually' and the tone of the line). One scum motivation for this that I can think of is the desire to show thought process. Then again, it's completely possible that you actually had this thought process. But why bring it up?-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe
Hi Gimli!
What's the issue with Nancy quoting the conversation she'd just had?In post 1032, Gimli wrote:The quoting the conversation you literally Just had. Idk. Maybe its Just odd and not scummy though
You heard? From?In post 1047, Gimli wrote:I heard sometimes, nothing happens in the PT, and that doesn't mean anything-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe
Pretty sure that I'm allowed to have an opinion on StD's posting at the level of attention I've been paying to the game, even if it is not as high as it usually is. Pretty sure that if I am Town, my subjective impression of StD's posting is a relevant fact in this conversation.In post 1060, Cephrir wrote:[...]
Is this not merely proof that you aren't paying that much attention? i don't think this is an even remotely fair characterization of std's posting. i'm not convinced he is definitely town, but he has definitely not been afraid to make a splash. this is some BSIn post 917, Aisa wrote:@STD To me, the fact I've found it hard to engage / have useful thoughts on your posting is proof that maybe you haven't been as attention getty as you claim. My theory is that if you are scum, your strategy is to check in once a day, make a couple posts, throw a little shade, then slink out before you attract too much attention.
[...]
Thank you dear I get this feeling as both alignments.In post 1089, Gimli wrote:
cute from aisa, vibes like a towny feeling to haveIn post 124, Aisa wrote:[...]
I still get a little rush every single time someone calls me Town. Humans really are creatures of instinct.-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe
-
-
Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2838
- Joined: December 19, 2013
- Pronoun: she/her, they/them
- Location: Europe