mini theme 2315 - love child (game over)

[Titus]

I love taxes!

Do mine. Please!

[Titus]

It's OMGUS bexause you are voting my

mason partner

!

Totally legit claim btw

Impossible, me and HPE are already masons

No. Me and my brother are masons.

[Titus]

Broccoli feels like scum going "ah crap, is andante an IC??"

idk that's just the vibe I get from them with these posts

lol no i feel blessed being in your IC presence.

but im not an IC? like why not just ignore that post.. and carry on

Adante isn't an IC. Despite that being possible misdirection, there's a confirmed mod lie somewhere. I'm ignoring it for now.

[Titus]

inexperience challenged

i am probably wrong but

Wrong context. That's IC in the newbie queue.

[Titus]

I object!

I am Titus, Lord Queen of the Scum...mers!

[Titus]

I am going to say that by VCA exactly two out of {theta, alianna, ircher} are scum. Ircher I'm 90% sure on and if I get limmed I would like to venge-lim him (alternatively, take an anti-BoP shot at him (that's a term I learned recently)), the other two are more in hmmm territory.

Aureal is town on my wagon but I'm not sure what she's doing there (I would actually like an explanation but I don't think I will get one since you are busy being a goose).

Drew is still town, Gamma is probably town, Hu Tao is shining through as town.

Meuh also has some townvibes but can't townbin her yet.

IDK about the rest ATP.

That's a wee bit early for VCA and I eat VCA 5 meals a day.

[Titus]

VOTE: Ircher

Going to OMGUS a vote for some VCA too.

[Titus]

Then turn up a tv

[Titus]

Aureal might be scum. That defense is awkward.

[Titus]

Yeah there's definitely scum in Aureal Ircher Broccoli

[Titus]

Yeah there's definitely scum in Aureal Ircher Broccoli

yeah that's a wild take to have based on the last few posts.

I didn't even townread Ircher's post but that triple shade is wild. Like how are Aureal and me even related to your scumread on Ircher?

VOTE:

Titus

Also where is everyone?

You're implying that I suggested the three of you are a team. That's not what I was suggesting at all. If Ircher is town, then you're positioning to vote on Ircher or me, whichever is relevant. Aureal also gave a weak defense of Ircher that would deter no one from Ircher's wagon and gave wiggle room to vote Ircher later, which is a bad look regardless of Ircher's alignment.

The three of you piling on for nebulous reasons doesn't help, although my reasons for voting Ircher had VCA driven reasons rather than scum ones.

[Titus]

Yeah there's definitely scum in Aureal Ircher Broccoli

yeah that's a wild take to have based on the last few posts.

I didn't even townread Ircher's post but that triple shade is wild. Like how are Aureal and me even related to your scumread on Ircher?

VOTE:

Titus

Also where is everyone?

*honks about rule of three and splashes red paint at Ircher*

Catching up but saw this. Why are you looking at games from April when you can just explain what the rule of 3 is? Second, applying the rule of three supposes I am scum.

[Titus]

Ircher (6) - Hu Tao, Doctor Drew, Titus, Gamma Emerald, Broccoli Quest 2, Afrayed Knott

the fact this wagon is composed of 2 of my higher level scum reads... really makes me have a hard time believing ircher flips scum

lol oops typo - ircher is never flipping scum here with that wagon comp

I only feel weird about Broccoli.

How about we kick the tires on Meuh?

VOTE: Meuh

Why Meuh?

[Titus]

I love how no one is talking about that wagon comp, instead im just told "well there's no claim soooo" a claim hasn't stopped me before...

I'm with you on the wagon comp but in a different way.

No counterwagon to Ircher would mean either a) obvious scum or b) apathetic/lurking scum. I don't think Ircher is obvious scum.

However, that assumption changes if we suppose I am the counter to save Ircher. Was the Ircher wagon naturally dying or did scum save a partner?

[Titus]

Scum me walks into a dead game and goes "here's where my head is at!" ?? I have a hard time believing you think im not town lol

I don

[Titus]

I don't care for Adante voting for me, but I lean town. I don’t see elaboration on reads but I see effort.

[Titus]

i highly doubt anyone even joins me with afrayed lol

I'd like to hear more.

[Titus]

It's OMGUS bexause you are voting my

mason partner

!

Totally legit claim btw

Impossible, me and HPE are already masons

No. Me and my brother are masons.

Broccoli feels like scum going "ah crap, is andante an IC??"

idk that's just the vibe I get from them with these posts

lol no i feel blessed being in your IC presence.

but im not an IC? like why not just ignore that post.. and carry on

Adante isn't an IC. Despite that being possible misdirection, there's a confirmed mod lie somewhere. I'm ignoring it for now.

Like, Drew... you're trying to tell me town enters the game like this? 200 posts in? nah

Stop whining about being modconfirmed or not. I'll read you based on your posts like you should me.

It's fucking annoying dealing with entitled people who don't see actual suspicious behavior.

[Titus]

i highly doubt anyone even joins me with afrayed lol

VOTE: Afrayed
Actually going to join you on this Andante because Titus to me is the lesser of two evils? Genuine blunder on my part to forget to mention Afrayed when asked about my reads but yeah Afrayed feels more like Legit scum than Titus who seems like she might be apathetic town or otherwise just not really trying rn, but we'll have to see. For now definitely most comfortable with Afrayed.

I’m not touching Drew with a 15-foot pole here

TRUE!!!

In what universe am I not trying? Seriously, the wagon on me got started because I made theories and they jumped on me...

[Titus]

Summary of thoughts on last few pages:
Andante is obvtown, her suspicion of Drew is very much a Towny Thought.
Drew's suspicion of Andante is a big wtf, but I had locked Drew as town earlier so I didn't really care about it and in the end his posting did become townier so I'm not seeing him being scum.
Meuh's "are you saying andante is scum????" is a good thought to have, but I am not convinced it cannot be faked by scum. I think there's no point pressuring it now and Meuh can probably be sorted later.
HPE has become a slight townlean instead of a null leaning scum.

Thoughts on individual posts:

The three of you piling on for nebulous reasons doesn't help, although my reasons for voting Ircher had VCA driven reasons rather than scum ones.

What exactly do you mean by voting for VCA reasons?

I love how no one is talking about that wagon comp, instead im just told "well there's no claim soooo" a claim hasn't stopped me before...

Actually part of the reason I wanted to move onto TItus was I didn't love the wagon comp on Ircher either.

i feel like that means ircher is town, but like, idk, i can't read gamestate to save my life

I would think that if his return

wasn’t so mediocre

(I assume this means you think it was good)

So why are you still voting him?

Edit while previewing: LOL nevermind I completely misread you. Yeah I agree, his return is very mediocre and I'm tempted to go back to voting him.

Maybe if Afrayed isn't an alt there is some credence to a so so entrance to the game.....but even then, seems suss to call it a strong scum read.

I don't think he's an alt so much so as a "returning player" who should be considered a Newbie more or less.

1) Voting Ircher to get the game going. I was meh on Ircher, not omg scum and that was enough.

I don't care for the massive omgus that followed.

[Titus]

Second, applying the rule of three supposes I am scum.

IDK if you noticed but Aureal is voting you (= thinks you are scum, probably)

Doesn't mean preflip is valid and it's scummy baseless omgus

[Titus]

VOTE: Aureal

I doubt Aureal is.

[Titus]

VOTE: Aureal

I doubt Aureal is.

???????

I doubt Aureal is town. Not with that omgus.

[Titus]

Oh, forgog

I was but they might be town.

[Titus]

Broccoli

[Titus]

*honks in confusion because she doesn't feel a strong differentiation between Ircher's meta dependent on his alignment and his terse play style tends to be read as scummy in general*

This post right here initially pinged me. It's an awkward defense of Ircher. Aureal says "Ircher's play is scummy" which is a null read but simultaneously handwaives every argument for reading Ircher at all.

He's scummy, well you can't call him scum because that's his play.
He's scummy so you can't call him town because his play cannot be townie.

[Titus]

This blew up.

[Titus]

maybe it's a little extra to have two vote counts on one page, but i'm going for it

nah it's great

I'm here

thoughts?

Still think Titus is scummy

I kind of think we need a flip at this point? Under the impression that night actions will be meaningful

This seems quite early in the day page-wise, +scum for me.

Agree

[Titus]

I'm just going to facepalm. This is D1 but I like Aureal and Meuh as partners. Theta or Gamma for the last.

[Titus]

• comes into several new pages, get upset
  
• Posts 1 minimum-effort response
  
• Gets mad at ???
  
• essentially pulls names out of a hat and tries to guess the scumteam using that

You good, Titus?

IRL sucks atm.
However

• Not upset at activity
  
• Meh
  
• Not mad
  
• Who has a problem with spitballing gut reads?

[Titus]

I'm depressed IRL. It will likely impact my play.

[Titus]

I'm not interested in voting Afrayed right now.

Agreed.

[Titus]

I'm a little frustrated. None of the wagons feel good to me.

[Titus]

you liked ircher earlier, what changed your mind?

Lack of counter. I could compromise there if a deadline wagon but I have others I'd prefer.

[Titus]

you liked ircher earlier, what changed your mind?

Lack of counter. I could compromise there if a deadline wagon but I have others I'd prefer.

Setting wagon formations aside, what do you think of Ircher's push on you?

Stubborn omgus.

VOTE: meuh

[Titus]

Didn't you

just

say you don't have any wagon you feel good about? Whoch one do you prefer?

Aureal and Meuh

[Titus]

What are you doing? You know that if I vote icher they become the leading wagon?

And what's that got to do with anything? AK posted weird shit and now you're posting weird shit and I'm just wondering what is UP with this slot.

What is weird here?

[Titus]

Pisskop, Ircher, Titus, Meuh is my kill list at the moment. I'll be happy if the final 5 includes none of those players.

I still don't get pisskop

[Titus]

I could do theta as well.

[Titus]

This might be Ircher v pisskop which isn't bad for vca.

[Titus]

Still not interested in pisskop lim here.

What are your reads?

[Titus]

So at the risk of being made more unpopular (or more popular) I do think all that churn was counterproductive at the least and lead by scum engaging and encouraging theatre at the most. I kind of expect to find a very active player on D1 was scum before this is over

Thoughts on meuh aureal and theta?

[Titus]

Intent

[Titus]

My intent was to get the claim so we'd have time to sort it.

[Titus]

Any chance for a speedwagon on Aureal?

[Titus]

Cheese Conoisseur could just be a rolecop type role for mafia yeah

I also don't agree that it has massive town utility

There's no way of knowing who has cheese in their pms or if it's even relevant.

[Titus]

If Furtiveglance is scum, I would have Ircher as a partner possibly.

He unvoted right after my intent, which looked a bit panicky.

[Titus]

I'll E-1, hopefully we get a claim this time.

VOTE: Ircher

Intent

UNVOTE:

waoaw
you realize the intent was to get the claim?

It sounded to me like furtive and pisskop expected me to have already claimed before now.

Why would Ircher feel like this would be true?

Why would you think I'd hammer without a claim?

[Titus]

VOTE: Aureal

[Titus]

VOTE: Aureal

Yesterday eod was projection.

[Titus]

you wanted to lim me over ircher

seems pretty scummy to me, when coupled with aliannas play

I don't see why there couldn't have been several scum wagons yesterday. I think most of the louder players are town.

Ircher kept refusing to vote your slot, and AK unvoted Ircher at E-1. It's not really +town of you to push Ircher in the way you did given the only alternative was you.

Ircher was playing like a doomed slot with his vacant read walls. I wanted more data too.

Right now, I'm seeing the same slots that wanted to counter Ircher opening up doing the same thing on me again which suggests they put no effort into reading the thread at all.

[Titus]

Yeah, I just like Aureal, Broccoli and Drew as my pool skimming the VCs yesterday.

[Titus]

Adante should be in any townblock for the moment.

@ Broccoli, I struggle with townreading any of you at the moment. You in particular I waffle on. Your content sounds good but you're pursuing a proscum agenda. Aureal hasn't been engaging in good faith, particularly the EoD where Aureal accused me of trying to pair people with Ircher. That's someone who came in with an agenda.

I know I am town and Aureal wanted a counter to scum while at the same time claiming Ircher was lockscum.

[Titus]

I am also struggling with real life fatigue.

[Titus]

you wanted to lim me over ircher

seems pretty scummy to me, when coupled with aliannas play

I don't see why there couldn't have been several scum wagons yesterday. I think most of the louder players are town.

Ircher kept refusing to vote your slot, and AK unvoted Ircher at E-1. It's not really +town of you to push Ircher in the way you did given the only alternative was you.

This is a decent point. Ircher played like doomed scum with his static reads EoD.

[Titus]

Not sure
I want to try to form a townblock and find scum via PoE atp

Here's a townblock:
You, me, FG, Meuh, Aureal. You can also add Andante if you want to.

I’d like to make Andante a full member and switch FG out for hu tao?

Hmmmmmm

I really wanna say yes but Ho Tao hasn't been active for a while and I'm slightly concerned about that.

Does anyone here know Hu Tao's meta? As I said in my leaked neighborhood, it's my first game with her.

Pedit: Titus, why is my agenda proscum? What do you think I should be pushing right now, with the reads I have?

Trying to wagon me over Ircher was proscum. Wagoning me now is proscum.

I'm not sure precisely what reads you have.

[Titus]

Broccoli, why were you on a lot of counters to Ircher?

[Titus]

@Broccoli- I was on some. Yet you were on me furtiveglance, and AK/pisskop? I just want to know why. I don't get why sorting you triggers this reaction.

Aureal is glad to glom onto your overreaction which is suspect in its own right.

[Titus]

*honks at Titus again acting like Ircher's gonna flip scum and she wants someone else to look partnered*

VOTE: Ircher

I think the E-1 Ircher wagon was mostly pure

so Meuh/Ircher/Me/Aureal/your slot/Theta/HPE
has 2 scum in it according to you?

yeah maybe, could also be 1.

Right now I think AK/Meuh/Ircher/Titus/Aureal has all scum.

*honks a tiny trombone for the idea of Titus/Ircher/AK team*

*honks in confusion because she doesn't feel a strong differentiation between Ircher's meta dependent on his alignment and his terse play style tends to be read as scummy in general*

This post right here initially pinged me. It's an awkward defense of Ircher. Aureal says "Ircher's play is scummy" which is a null read but simultaneously handwaives every argument for reading Ircher at all.

He's scummy, well you can't call him scum because that's his play.
He's scummy so you can't call him town because his play cannot be townie.

*unconvinced honks at explanation that doesn't match the TMI feel of 296 where it looks like trying to paint her as partners with Ircher*

Yeah there's definitely scum in Aureal Ircher Broccoli

yeah that's a wild take to have based on the last few posts.

I didn't even townread Ircher's post but that triple shade is wild. Like how are Aureal and me even related to your scumread on Ircher?

VOTE:

Titus

Also where is everyone?

*honks about rule of three and splashes red paint at Ircher*

Here's a sampling of Aureal's posting after I FoS Aureal. They have easy, popular reads and have been attempting to tie me to Ircher preflip when I would try to sort in the alternative.

[Titus]

I don't trust the pisskop wagon either ftr.

[Titus]

you mean yesterday? Do you have a specific VC in mind?

The comment about Aureal glomming on is particular to that post but the pair have been artificially close.

As for the mini case on Aureal, it's not tied to a specific VC.

[Titus]

I'd bet my bottom dollar on Aureal bein

g

sc

u

m.

I'l

l be less ac

t

ive during the weekend.

It's super bus

y

.

Much

to do. Transferring jobs, lot to prep.

I'll hopefully be back Sunday

?

[Titus]

I think he meant which VC are you calling the AK wagon bad on?

All of them?

[Titus]

Broccoli and furtiveglance would stand out by VCA. But my strongest scumreads didn't get on now that I look. I feel the pisskop wagon is on town but I could just be assuming it's town because I'm town.

[Titus]

@Broccoli - I don't consider you as "powerbussing" Ircher. That's part of the issue. If you are town, we see the game differently. To me, based on memory, I don't feel anyone fits that description.

I asked you in particular because I'm trying to tell if you mistakenly townread Aureal in good faith.

As for others, there was still doubt on Ircher. Some of it logically should have came from scum. I don't have a straight up solve yet. It's fair to look into other people, but I want to sort you first. You're one of the most active players in the thread.

It's a fair question but I hate why me questions.


As for why I didn't push Aureal and Ircher as partners, that occurred to be after the hammer. I felt Aureal might have been driving a miselimination through by shading me as partners with Ircher. Aureal's primary goal since I FoSed her has been discrediting me rather than looking for scum.

She's seeking to heighten drama between you and me. Her last post after you basically accused my questioning of being toxic was to rile you up.

[Titus]

I’m kinda confused as to where the momentum on me went? Like there was some there yesterday and now I’m not even being considered
I don’t even think my progression on Ircher was good so that doesn’t explain it
Titus especially I’m confused why she dropped the scumread on me here

I don't think there was much momentum on you. I haven't fully dropped an SR on you earlier just because I am focused on Aureal.

[Titus]

Hmph, blind or what?

[Titus]

I have the subtlety of a battering ram yet only one person might have picked up on what I'm looking for reactions on. Either a) I'm more subtle than I think b) the resistance is there regardless and waiting to confirm or c) scum already know what I am up to and it's wrong.

[Titus]

I think I may have found the thing? But I can't say I'm sure what it means here

It's vague?

[Titus]

I'm reading the rest of this tmo. Kinda frustrated. I expected reactions of somesort...but nothing...

[Titus]

Drew might just be scum here. He reacted as if he saw what I was saying but then waffles on me being town.

[Titus]

I'm a VT. I can't believe no one noticed the fact I faked a guilty on Aureal to get some discussion there. They've been obvscum since go.

[Titus]

Drew immediately voted Aureal, which suggests that he saw it but then backed off when no one else bit, so I suspect they are partners.

I also don't like Meuh trying to force pisskop/furtiveglance. I'd compromise on pisskop as the refusal to vote has an iota of merit but Ircher was just lame ducking imo.

[Titus]

I'd bet my bottom dollar on Aureal bein

g

sc

u

m.

I'l

l be less ac

t

ive during the weekend.

It's super bus

y

.

Much

to do. Transferring jobs, lot to prep.

I'll hopefully be back Sunday

?

Check the italics.

[Titus]

I didnt notice it truth be told.

Titus' inactivity coupled with the attempt to pull over to aureal. Once meuh cleared up via the flip, and aureal cleared up some via the hood leak, titus looks a lot less neutral

I've been noted sick, I am less active on weekends and changing jobs.

[Titus]

I did consider voting Aureal to give you fuel there fwiw

Why didn't you?

[Titus]

I remember when our very own Mod this game faked a guilty as me when they were scum in the Boony game that just ended hoping to get a mislim.

Ya, that was pretty cool.

So VT you say Titus?

Yeah, this is lockscum even more than Aureal.

[Titus]

That's Drew fencesitting on the wagon. :/

[Titus]

lol it looks like everyone seems to think at least 1 scum was bussing no matter what

It's very likely

Ircher was lame ducking. There was bussing.

[Titus]

Crap I am L-1.

I'm the rolecop.

[Titus]

Crap I am L-1.

I'm the rolecop.

Fuck wrong game

[Titus]

VOTE: Drew

[Titus]

there’s no way it’s drew, who even brought up that idea?? did you ISO drew and ircher??

I don't need to. His reactions in the last 48 hours are autoscum.

[Titus]

lol it looks like everyone seems to think at least 1 scum was bussing no matter what

It's very likely

Ircher was lame ducking. There was bussing.

Well we agree on one thing.

Pre Edit: Titus, may I direct you to the posts I quoted from ChatGPT where you basically said the same things about me?

Sure. You can direct me to that all you want.

[Titus]

do you wanna slack off on analyzing titus's iso together

I accept!

Also I has to sleep now so I will slack off with you tomorrow

I'll just say before I sleep that I've never seen town (or scum, to be fair) crumbing a fake guilty. I don't really see why that's something that titus points at proudly as a way to confirm herself as town. But I also don't know why she would do it as scum.

I think I need to sleep on it. Please don't hammer this while I sleep, thanks.

Pedit: I really hate posts like this one though:

there’s no way it’s drew, who even brought up that idea?? did you ISO drew and ircher??

I don't need to. His reactions in the last 48 hours are autoscum.

Like, the amount of times I've seen scum say this is probably 3x the amount of times I've seen town say this.

You are so obstinate there's no way you are scum.

[Titus]

Yeah there's definitely scum in Aureal Ircher Broccoli

yeah that's a wild take to have based on the last few posts.

I didn't even townread Ircher's post but that triple shade is wild. Like how are Aureal and me even related to your scumread on Ircher?

VOTE:

Titus

Also where is everyone?

*honks about rule of three and splashes red paint at Ircher*

Catching up but saw this. Why are you looking at games from April when you can just explain what the rule of 3 is? Second, applying the rule of three supposes I am scum.

*honks in confusion because she doesn't feel a strong differentiation between Ircher's meta dependent on his alignment and his terse play style tends to be read as scummy in general*

This post right here initially pinged me. It's an awkward defense of Ircher. Aureal says "Ircher's play is scummy" which is a null read but simultaneously handwaives every argument for reading Ircher at all.

He's scummy, well you can't call him scum because that's his play.
He's scummy so you can't call him town because his play cannot be townie.

Here's a couple examples. Aureal linking me to Ircher well before a flip.

Yet Aureal puts postings down that basically would nullify any Ircher read.

Ircher was playing like a wet noodle. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see Aureal's trajectory. Don't let scumreads on Ircher have merit. Shade those who FoS Ircher. When Ircher became the lim, link me to Ircher to keep me in the pool.