Mini Theme 2328: Death Note: Second Page. Day 3!

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Hu

Much too polite of an entrance

[Doctor Drew]

Refer to setup to get full list of possible skills.

Where is this?

-Black

Reverting to a dumb tell already tsk tsk

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Aureal

I think Enchant lied when he said flavor wasn't relevant to role

As someone who barely knows anything about Death Note the anime, I would be interested to know post game if that actually is a thing

[Doctor Drew]

they call me doctor worm

good morning how are you? I'm doctor worm

I'm interesting in things

I'm not a real doctor but I am a real worm I am an actual worm

I am not an actual Drew

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Aureal

I think Enchant lied when he said flavor wasn't relevant to role

As someone who barely knows anything about Death Note the anime, I would be interested to know post game if that actually is a thing

How much do you know about Death Note the manga?

As much as I know about Death Note the movie

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Aureal

I think Enchant lied when he said flavor wasn't relevant to role

As someone who barely knows anything about Death Note the anime, I would be interested to know post game if that actually is a thing

I'm glad I managed to finish watching the anime before this started. XD

I know this is meant as an insult lol

But Death Note could but manga, anime.....all the same

*Ducks from all the things thrown at me*

[Doctor Drew]

I don't see how is talking about flavor in the thread is supposed to help on finding Kira.

- A

That's Adorable

[Doctor Drew]

T-Bone is L.

Anime got worse after L died.

Therefore, T-Bone dying will make this game worse.

Therefore, T-Bone must be Town, so we don't eliminate him.

VOTE: T-Bone

Maybe it just means he needs to......take the L

[Doctor Drew]

Well, this one generally tries to mix up its approach at least a little every game, but also after tunneling hard on you last time and being wrong its time to see if doing the opposite will make me right.

sure it makes perfect sense

VOTE: HPE

VOTE: HPE

I get a visceral reaction from both Cuddle's name and avatar that makes me want to execute them but they look town to me currently

I will stand by my not voting you until absolutely necessary

So I will sheep you on them being town(except Black)

[Doctor Drew]

I don't see how is talking about flavor in the thread is supposed to help on finding Kira.

- A

That's Adorable

Also on the subject of the hydra

Fuck you all for not at least acknowledging this joke.....was worthy of a sigh at the very least

[Doctor Drew]

How's the hydra townie? I think trying to throw shade over Rat's joke is pretty sus actually. It can be harder for scum to pick up on jokes, that really seemed tone deaf.

You should understand hydra dissonance lol

[Doctor Drew]

I kinda think T-Bone is one to go rogue as town(ie making some head scratching reads/analysis), and I have only seen him as town, so despite me disagreeing with his take on the hydra, I don't think he is scum here.

Also no judgement here Bone, I am a master at head scratching reads and analysis.

Also, 2019 Drew would hate me sticking up for a hydra

[Doctor Drew]

I kinda think T-Bone is one to go rogue as town(ie making some head scratching reads/analysis), and I have only seen him as town, so despite me disagreeing with his take on the hydra, I don't think he is scum here.

Also no judgement here Bone, I am a master at head scratching reads and analysis.

Also, 2019 Drew would hate me sticking up for a hydra

Actually I'm hoping to break this down. You called my take head scratching analysis. Why? What do you disagree with?

Basically saying that hydra dissonance is anti-town(I half joked about this take l, since I used to believe this back in the day). But now I believe it to be more of a town tell, I have even used it to appear as town once in a hydra.

Now saying that, do you think anything one of the heads has said is actually scummy? Or even do you believe that the dissonance is forced?

[Doctor Drew]

How's the hydra townie? I think trying to throw shade over Rat's joke is pretty sus actually. It can be harder for scum to pick up on jokes, that really seemed tone deaf.

You should understand hydra dissonance lol

Also, RE: Hydra dissonance

I was mainly making a reference to a game where Aureal and I hydra'ed and there was one day in particular where we were not agreeing lol

[Doctor Drew]

When we flip town

Um

Like, after the game is over?

*confusion*

Ngl I forgot about that mechanic

My memory is so bad

-Black

I think I am locking Aureal as town

Black I am looking at you with squinty eyes

Lick can hang out in town lead for a bit

I want to scum read Dan, but now that this is just the way he is, so I dunno

Hu I can never figure out D1

Bone I think is town

UNVOTE:

[Doctor Drew]

When we flip town

Um

Like, after the game is over?

*confusion*

Ngl I forgot about that mechanic

My memory is so bad

-Black

I think I am locking Aureal as town

Black I am looking at you with squinty eyes

Lick can hang out in town lead for a bit

I want to scum read Dan, but now that this is just the way he is, so I dunno

Hu I can never figure out D1

Bone I think is town

UNVOTE:

K-Lick I mean

[Doctor Drew]

Okay I was gonna have him as town but if he can make those kind of posts as scum, then I shouldn't.

T-Bone can you send me a random scum game of yours?

Why do I hate this post so much?

This is why I don't try to figure out Hu on D1

She is a bit like Alianna though, in a much much more subtle way, she will show herself as town when you least expect it.......but also can easily be exposed as scum

[Doctor Drew]

I'm willing to expand on my thoughts on the CUDDLE TIME slot with the understanding that this is as far as I'm willing to take the discussion for at least like 24 hours; I don't want this to become the line of discourse that dominates my airwaves

In essence, I townread CUDDLE TIME because they've shown several instances of posting that has a clear focus on solving and making solving possible. This is from multiple heads. I don't believe the current goal from any of them is to get townread. There's an aggressive approach from them that seems to be trying to make plays happen early with the intent of drumming up info. This is very consistent from what I'd expect of town!Dragon and kind of town!Black as well.

I've come to the same conclusion. I got what I needed to be able to read both black and dragon. I'm pretty familiar with them and I feel confident in reading them. They both replied in a way that I feel town them would. Do you have familiarity with T-Bone? Is he known as a very strong scum player?

I'm the best of all time.

I should probably multi-quote but I wasn't expecting all these things I wanted to sub-tweet!

Not the best at quoting posts amirite

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Aureal

She is giving me off vibes for some reason

Are you able to expand a bit? Any specific posts that seem off?

- Thomith

Thomith, I didn't want to quite your big post, but Re: my reads

My read of Dan wasn't clear, I meant he has a style(similar to Bell actually) to his posting that I find scummy, but I am seeing that just is who he is, so my snap read is scum.....but I want to make sure it isn't just a style thing.

Aureal just seems to obvTown, sometimes early and sometimes later(similar to Alianna), her posting style so far shows me signs of that, go check out pico blitz that just ended if you want to see scumAureal

Bone, so far seemed identical to me as the Blitz game that also just ended, maybe calling his reads as sometimes head scratchy wasn't exactly right, but he kinda does his own thing, which I can really appreciate(trying to not let it influence my read too much, as I am very much the same as him)

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Aureal

She is giving me off vibes for some reason

Are you able to expand a bit? Any specific posts that seem off?

- Thomith

Thomith, I didn't want to quite your big post, but Re: my reads

My read of Dan wasn't clear, I meant he has a style(similar to Bell actually) to his posting that I find scummy, but I am seeing that just is who he is, so my snap read is scum.....but I want to make sure it isn't just a style thing.

Aureal just seems to obvTown, sometimes early and sometimes later(similar to Alianna), her posting style so far shows me signs of that, go check out pico blitz that just ended if you want to see scumAureal

Bone, so far seemed identical to me as the Blitz game that also just ended, maybe calling his reads as sometimes head scratchy wasn't exactly right, but he kinda does his own thing, which I can really appreciate(trying to not let it influence my read too much, as I am very much the same as him)

Ah, people trying to meta-read me. Somehow this keeps happening, even though I keep telling people it's a bad idea (as if it wasn't obvious).

Are you actually trying to use that silly game as some sort of baseline for what you think I'd do as scum, Drew? I never understood your insistence that I (or Alianna for that matter) have some sort of town-tell, so excuse me if I don't just take your word for it that this is a real read.

In pico I had you pegged as scum right away, the one time I was in a game with scumAlianna I was the only person who was saying she wasn't town yet. Both of you give similar obvTown tells eventually in a game, just so happens I caught it early this game from you.

Just because you don't think you have a town tell, doesn't mean you don't, so despite your efforts here lol.....you are town.

Do you think I am faking my reads?

[Doctor Drew]

Just because you don't think you have a town tell, doesn't mean you don't, so despite your efforts here lol.....you are town.

Do you think I am faking my reads?

Maybe? I've certainly seen you express confident reads like this as town before, but at the same time it's not that hard to fake when you're just making a read with no reasoning, lol. I'm not really sure

why

you would at this point though so I guess I lean towards no. Even if you needing to ask if I think you're faking makes me feel like you're a little concerned about how you look or something, it's a bit weird.

I just wanted to know if you were more thinking that I shouldn't be able to read you so well, or if you think I am just bullshitting my reads

It is fine if you think either way, just wanted clarification on your mindset.

But enough about you lol.

I get that people are looking for any sort of signalling to and from Kira to their followers, but like any traitor game it does become a slippery slope before there is a flip of a follower.

Like I tend to believe that HPE was just shit posting, but then when it was called out or the post HPE was left with no real position to defend itself.

Can someone make a case for HPE as scum besides that post? Or point me to a case they made?

[Doctor Drew]

In the last games, I don't remember you acting this way as town. Maybe I need to relook.

You don't remember Aureal being defensive?

[Doctor Drew]

Okay I was gonna have him as town but if he can make those kind of posts as scum, then I shouldn't.

T-Bone can you send me a random scum game of yours?

Can you explain to me why you want it? Meta is trash. (but seriously I want to know your reasoning as specific as you can give it)

What do you think about my read on you based on personal meta with you?

[Doctor Drew]

Meh
All I can really say is that I disagree with your interpretation of Gimli's behavior and think your confidence is unjustified
I think you're probably town from this exchange fwiw!

Can you show me the work why you think they are town?

[Doctor Drew]

Gimli and Dan, in the event that you are actually a Follower instead.

If I'm to suppose I'm completely wrong and you're actually Town, then I'm kind of back to square one. Absent confounding evidence though, I'd be happy to just lim You > Gimli > Dan.

We're not actually gonna get flips though, so there's a good chance we wouldn't know until postgame whether Klick is town or follower.

That'd be where the potential for confounding evidence comes in. If someone is able to generate guilties outside that PoE, or innos within it, or grant us Klick's flip, and we trust whoever does so, then I would reevaluate. If that doesn't happen, we should hopefully still have two days to figure out where we went wrong.

Can you clarify this? I don't know exactly what you mean here

[Doctor Drew]

I really don't like this dynamic between Klick and Rat if it isn't clear

[Doctor Drew]

Gimli and Dan, in the event that you are actually a Follower instead.

If I'm to suppose I'm completely wrong and you're actually Town, then I'm kind of back to square one. Absent confounding evidence though, I'd be happy to just lim You > Gimli > Dan.

We're not actually gonna get flips though, so there's a good chance we wouldn't know until postgame whether Klick is town or follower.

That'd be where the potential for confounding evidence comes in. If someone is able to generate guilties outside that PoE, or innos within it, or grant us Klick's flip, and we trust whoever does so, then I would reevaluate. If that doesn't happen, we should hopefully still have two days to figure out where we went wrong.

Can you clarify this? I don't know exactly what you mean here

Some skills can give us similar information to a flip if they're in the game, some skills (and detective) can generate innos or guilties, and the game's continued running in the scenario where none of that happens and all three of my suspects die means that none of them were Kira, but since we have until Day 5 unless the detective dies, we would still have at least two days to figure the rest out.

Ahh ok

And do you think Klick has shown signs of being Kira? Or is just in general scummy?

[Doctor Drew]

I have definitely complained like that as town when people scumread me for what feels like would be bad play as scum. It's especially obnoxious to me of course, not having even had any proper scumgames that I could even try to point them towards to supplement my argument that really, I wouldn't just be lazy and meme most of day one if I had finally gotten a red PM.

I don't understand why it was called out in the first place, I think there is too much confidence floating around here so far this game

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Klick

Still haven't liked their interaction with Rat, and Rat does seem pretty towny, so allow me to, ahem......follow them

[Doctor Drew]

Meh
All I can really say is that I disagree with your interpretation of Gimli's behavior and think your confidence is unjustified
I think you're probably town from this exchange fwiw!

Can you show me the work why you think they are town?

Rat?
I think Rat's confidence reads as genuine and like a pretty strange scum approach

Yes I think they are town as well.

But you seemed to switch pretty quickly to them being a town read

[Doctor Drew]

I have definitely complained like that as town when people scumread me for what feels like would be bad play as scum. It's especially obnoxious to me of course, not having even had any proper scumgames that I could even try to point them towards to supplement my argument that really, I wouldn't just be lazy and meme most of day one if I had finally gotten a red PM.

I don't understand why it was called out in the first place, I think there is too much confidence floating around here so far this game

By 'it' you mean HPE; you're saying you don't understand why anyone has a scumread on it? Because I feel like there's been quite a bit of explanation from numerous people.

All started from a shit post

Meh
All I can really say is that I disagree with your interpretation of Gimli's behavior and think your confidence is unjustified
I think you're probably town from this exchange fwiw!

Can you show me the work why you think they are town?

Rat?
I think Rat's confidence reads as genuine and like a pretty strange scum approach

Yes I think they are town as well.

But you seemed to switch pretty quickly to them being a town read

What made you townread Rat?

Do you like answering questions with another question?

This is the second time I am asking for a detailed reasoning on why YOU think they are town

[Doctor Drew]

If it is their confidence as you put it, fair enough I guess, but you seem to be moving in a weird way.

[Doctor Drew]

I feel like the things I've said to RR have gone in one ear and out the other

Ok I will help you out.

How did you go from here...

Meh
All I can really say is that I disagree with your interpretation of Gimli's behavior and think your confidence is unjustified
I think you're probably town from this exchange fwiw!

And then two posts later go to here(your posts not total game posts).

[Doctor Drew]

So what made you townread Rat?

Ok if you won't show your math, that's cool

It was Rat's confidence when going back and forth with you that makes me think they are town.

And it is the way you wilted, like you knew you wouldn't be able to make them look bad since they were looking so town, so you had to do a hard left turn and somehow decide they are town.

Which ya, makes me town read Rat more

Pre Edit: This here, Adorable

[Doctor Drew]

T-Bone is being replaced. Stand by.

The Pain Remains....

[Doctor Drew]

It was Rat's confidence when going back and forth with you that makes me think they are town.

And it is the way you wilted, like you knew you wouldn't be able to make them look bad since they were looking so town, so you had to do a hard left turn and somehow decide they are town.

Like I don't get how you post the first sentence and think 'yeah that's reasonable' and then post the second sentence and think 'yeah Klick had to SOMEHOW decide Rat was town' instead of me using, you know, the same evidence as you

That is possible, I did look back and saw some progression

[Doctor Drew]

Drew out of ten Doctors agree: You should vote Klick

Wazzat you say? Vote Drew?

4 out of 5 Drew's do not recommend this

[Doctor Drew]

Drew out of ten Doctors agree: You should vote Klick

Wazzat you say? Vote Drew?

4 out of 5 Drew's do not recommend this

I want to meet the 5th Drew. He sounds like a fun guy.

Nah you don't, the 5th Drew hates whiskey and is always about srz bizness

[Doctor Drew]

This game has so much information packed into 17 pages it's making my head spin. Sorry, I don't have time to detangle it right now.

However, it wouldn't hurt to give an ordered list based on feels.

From town to scum: Cuddle, Klick, Erinys, Gimli, Aureal, Tao, Dan, Rat, Drew.

This seems contradicting. So much information that you don't have time to go through it, yet you're able to give a reads list in order.

I actually do enjoy that I am being scum read that much

[Doctor Drew]

I still think aureal is scum here. Something feels off about her.

Can you reach deeper into this if you think you can?

I'm a gut read player. She just feels different than last time I played with her when she was town. So I have a tendency to think she's gonna be scum here

I'm never voting drew this game, probably scum.

Something cool gives me off vibes. So probably not voting them for the time being.

Aureal seems different so probably not voting them today.

Everyone else has a chance to join my town core

Try getting some new material instead of just reusing the same read?

(To avoid confusion, in that game we wanted to vote for town, not the jester team)

But you seem different from that game too

We are the same in that we go off vibes, I feel like Aureal's vibes here have been squarely town.

Is there anything specific about her play this game that jumps out to you?

[Doctor Drew]

I'll try before EOD to work out interactions between the other 5 and see what fits better

I think we can just try to towncore it and flip kira today, which means getting to a agreement on a player that stayed throughout this under the radar and not getting talked to much or entertained as a potential d1 flip

last game STD was kira and had an almost flawless d1 getting very little pushes against him by just coasting and being agreeable

that's the profile we're hitting d1 with the most likelihood of flipping kira

Using STD's general play style to find Kira seems like a fools game

Wouldn't Kira want to be out there?

[Doctor Drew]

I don't have any town reads in this game. I'm looking for posts that look like scum won't be able to fake and I haven't seen any here so far.

- A

Gun to your head, who would be the least scummy?

[Doctor Drew]

I don't think I can vote with Klick

[Doctor Drew]

It was Rat's confidence when going back and forth with you that makes me think they are town.

And it is the way you wilted, like you knew you wouldn't be able to make them look bad since they were looking so town, so you had to do a hard left turn and somehow decide they are town.

Like I don't get how you post the first sentence and think 'yeah that's reasonable' and then post the second sentence and think 'yeah Klick had to SOMEHOW decide Rat was town' instead of me using, you know, the same evidence as you

That is possible, I did look back and saw some progression

This was the last thing you said to me

Your scumread on me and refusal to 'vote with me' is political

Well I don't really see Dan as scum, I don't like your interactions with Kay, and yes.....I saw the progression you made with Rat(which makes my scum read on you a little less strong)......but I still don't like the interaction you had with them......as I described earlier.

So you can call it whatever you want, but I just can't see myself voting with you here.

Also, as I said a few posts ago, I don't like Gimli's take on how we should find Kira, I didn't elaborate since I was hoping to here from him sooner......but seems so, contrived(I think that is the word I am looking for lol). Like he is purposely leaving out certain people on purpose.

Also is a variant of Lim all lurkers, which I always hate on D1.

So with you too kinda working in lockstep, no sir I am staying far away from that wagon

[Doctor Drew]

Using STD's general play style to find Kira seems like a fools game

Wouldn't Kira want to be out there?

STD's kira is an example of the behaviour that I think you're more likely going to see, not because of personality alone but for the social dynamics established with their followers. there are games in which you're going to be more visible because you're being pushed or having strong interactions in thread. kira's followers don't want to deal meaningfully with kira because that's the piece of TMI they want to shield, that pushes the player with the kira role to stay more under the radar. I think klick has been townie and I'm happy to try and build a wagon on the name he picked.

are you townreading AD?

I am not scum reading them

if you're not townreading AD then you could push that nullread and see what happens

Are trying to change the narrative here?

I hope you saw that my issue isn't with pushing Dan per se, my issue is more that it is you and Klick leading the charge

Who is Kay?

Kay... K... Kira...
HMMMM

Did the math, it all checks out

[Doctor Drew]

Who is Kay?

Scratch that from the record lol

[Doctor Drew]

I'll try before EOD to work out interactions between the other 5 and see what fits better

I think we can just try to towncore it and flip kira today, which means getting to a agreement on a player that stayed throughout this under the radar and not getting talked to much or entertained as a potential d1 flip

last game STD was kira and had an almost flawless d1 getting very little pushes against him by just coasting and being agreeable

that's the profile we're hitting d1 with the most likelihood of flipping kira

Using STD's general play style to find Kira seems like a fools game

Wouldn't Kira want to be out there?

If only I didn't repp out, I would have put it all together.

Or just forgot about being weary of Gimli and would be upset with myself post game lol

Sorry for the repp out though