In post 326, Radical Rat wrote:
Gimli and Dan, in the event that you are actually a Follower instead.
If I'm to suppose I'm completely wrong and you're actually Town, then I'm kind of back to square one. Absent confounding evidence though, I'd be happy to just lim You > Gimli > Dan.
We're not actually gonna get flips though, so there's a good chance we wouldn't know until postgame whether Klick is town or follower.
That'd be where the potential for confounding evidence comes in. If someone is able to generate guilties outside that PoE, or innos within it, or grant us Klick's flip, and we trust whoever does so, then I would reevaluate. If that doesn't happen, we should hopefully still have two days to figure out where we went wrong.
Can you clarify this? I don't know exactly what you mean here
Some skills can give us similar information to a flip if they're in the game, some skills (and detective) can generate innos or guilties, and the game's continued running in the scenario where none of that happens and all three of my suspects die means that none of them were Kira, but since we have until Day 5 unless the detective dies, we would still have at least two days to figure the rest out.
Ahh ok
And do you think Klick has shown signs of being Kira? Or is just in general scummy?
'dREW DID IT BETTER' - T-Bone
'doctor drew our hero' - Shiki
'I love playing with him, he's got an amazing presence to him that just feels like the game is lacking something when he's not there' - JacksonVirgo
In post 348, CUDDLE TIME wrote:
Reading Aureal's post: yes, jarring is exactly the word to describe that pivot.
- Dragon
And so was yours, lol
I'll consider your case later, my brain is breaking down at this point since I've been sitting here trying to figure out what people are thinking for way too long, it's giving me a headache and I need lunch and my initial feelings are that we're all just town getting jumpy because things feel too easy.
Understandable, have a good lunch.
Who are the obvious scum in the scenario where the game is "too easy"? I don't really see any "obvious" scum other than HPE who I don't think is Kira.
- Dragon
I did not have a good lunch: word of advice, don't make nachos using stale chips. My stomach is not alright.
Hu Tao and Dan as well are my 'game is easy' PoE. HPE seems more likely to be a follower than Kira yeah, but I'm not ruling it out as a "hide in plain sight" attempt.
Do you think Rat is lying here when they act like flipping Gimli after Klick is fine with them?
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
I read the game before going to bed which served to strenghten my klick and cuddle townreads, especially the latter's scumcase on me is very towny. I did like RR's push on klick on a townposting level, as it came across as genuine.
HPE seems detached from the game and I'm ready to flip it (sorry for always flipping you though, HPE)
This is a prod-dodge. last few pages do look content-rich though
In post 329, Klick wrote:
On me specifically, I feel like ActionDan wants to express skepticism of me without actually committing to something resembling a vote or a scumread:
Don't you think skepticism might be appropriate when you elect without support to throw my name into the fire? I think it was earned regardless of your other postings at the time (of which the ones I took any note of after the first was the Cuddle defense post town read and T-bone town read both of which I agree with) and I would tend to think you would recognize this. Especially if the purpose of it looks to be reaction testing in which we naturally attempt to walk in the target's shoes.
In post 326, Radical Rat wrote:
Gimli and Dan, in the event that you are actually a Follower instead.
If I'm to suppose I'm completely wrong and you're actually Town, then I'm kind of back to square one. Absent confounding evidence though, I'd be happy to just lim You > Gimli > Dan.
We're not actually gonna get flips though, so there's a good chance we wouldn't know until postgame whether Klick is town or follower.
That'd be where the potential for confounding evidence comes in. If someone is able to generate guilties outside that PoE, or innos within it, or grant us Klick's flip, and we trust whoever does so, then I would reevaluate. If that doesn't happen, we should hopefully still have two days to figure out where we went wrong.
Can you clarify this? I don't know exactly what you mean here
Some skills can give us similar information to a flip if they're in the game, some skills (and detective) can generate innos or guilties, and the game's continued running in the scenario where none of that happens and all three of my suspects die means that none of them were Kira, but since we have until Day 5 unless the detective dies, we would still have at least two days to figure the rest out.
Ahh ok
And do you think Klick has shown signs of being Kira? Or is just in general scummy?
In post 324, Radical Rat wrote:
I thought the push on HPE was weak, and expressed as much, but what stuck out to me was your insistence on it being a red herring, and your supposition that Action Dan was Kira based on basically nothing. I wanted to wait and see how things developed, and then they just got worse.
Your reaction to HPE claiming a shitpost seemed to indicate you thought it WAS signaling Kira, but that doesn't quite align with your red herring claim earlier. I thought perhaps you might have been a Follower either misdirecting to protect Gimli, perhaps assuming HPE was the other partner and being worried someone else would interpret that as a signal, or potentially Dan's Follower, trying to do a reverse psychology, which would explain why you never actually voted Dan.
But then Gimli's suggestion that Kira won't look scummy combined with you being absent from his PoE pool due to "investigative depth" that doesn't exist, with you yourself describing your reads as vibe-based, made all of the pieces Klick into place.
You jumped at HPE because, as Kira, you're looking for these signals, and having seen something that you think looks like a signal but directed towards someone else, you tried to push that narrative. No matter whether it lands on Gimli or Dan, it's not you. Gimli's oddities would put him as a strong Follower candidate, and then Dragon immediately jumping on me as soon as I suggested I thought you were Kira... well I think he's overplayed the hand now.
So I suppose to answer your question, Klick, what I'm looking for... is justice.
Maybe the real Mafia was the friends we made along the way
In post 378, Gimli wrote:
HPE seems detached from the game and I'm ready to flip it (sorry for always flipping you though, HPE)
So like, this one wont deny it just kinda isn't feeling this one, but let me ask you, and especially everyone who was present last game, and who has seen several of my games: Do you think this one is actually going to just roll over and do basically nothing as
scum?
Literally ruminated on this last night and it is completely comical to think that this one would just detach and sit around twiddling its thumbs like this after rolling scum, especially with my currently perfect 3-game 3-win scum record. In its last game as town it was pretty damn active especially earlygame and if you think the opposite situation is in my scumrange: gettu real daze.
not a person, just a doll~
this one refers to itself in the third person Get To Know A Doll
Ooof, I was thinking the same as Gimli about HPE seeming removed from things like it's trying to not get any more attention. But that gripe feels uncomfortably real.
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
I have definitely complained like that as town when people scumread me for what feels like would be bad play as scum. It's especially obnoxious to me of course, not having even had any proper scumgames that I could even try to point them towards to supplement my argument that really, I wouldn't just be lazy and meme most of day one if I had finally gotten a red PM.
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
In post 385, Aureal wrote:
I have definitely complained like that as town when people scumread me for what feels like would be bad play as scum. It's especially obnoxious to me of course, not having even had any proper scumgames that I could even try to point them towards to supplement my argument that really, I wouldn't just be lazy and meme most of day one if I had finally gotten a red PM.
I don't understand why it was called out in the first place, I think there is too much confidence floating around here so far this game
'dREW DID IT BETTER' - T-Bone
'doctor drew our hero' - Shiki
'I love playing with him, he's got an amazing presence to him that just feels like the game is lacking something when he's not there' - JacksonVirgo
Still haven't liked their interaction with Rat, and Rat does seem pretty towny, so allow me to, ahem......follow them
'dREW DID IT BETTER' - T-Bone
'doctor drew our hero' - Shiki
'I love playing with him, he's got an amazing presence to him that just feels like the game is lacking something when he's not there' - JacksonVirgo
In post 367, Klick wrote:
Meh
All I can really say is that I disagree with your interpretation of Gimli's behavior and think your confidence is unjustified
I think you're probably town from this exchange fwiw!
Can you show me the work why you think they are town?
Rat?
I think Rat's confidence reads as genuine and like a pretty strange scum approach
In post 367, Klick wrote:
Meh
All I can really say is that I disagree with your interpretation of Gimli's behavior and think your confidence is unjustified
I think you're probably town from this exchange fwiw!
Can you show me the work why you think they are town?
Rat?
I think Rat's confidence reads as genuine and like a pretty strange scum approach
Yes I think they are town as well.
But you seemed to switch pretty quickly to them being a town read
'dREW DID IT BETTER' - T-Bone
'doctor drew our hero' - Shiki
'I love playing with him, he's got an amazing presence to him that just feels like the game is lacking something when he's not there' - JacksonVirgo
In post 385, Aureal wrote:
I have definitely complained like that as town when people scumread me for what feels like would be bad play as scum. It's especially obnoxious to me of course, not having even had any proper scumgames that I could even try to point them towards to supplement my argument that really, I wouldn't just be lazy and meme most of day one if I had finally gotten a red PM.
I don't understand why it was called out in the first place, I think there is too much confidence floating around here so far this game
By 'it' you mean HPE; you're saying you don't understand why anyone has a scumread on it? Because I feel like there's been quite a bit of explanation from numerous people.
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
In post 367, Klick wrote:
Meh
All I can really say is that I disagree with your interpretation of Gimli's behavior and think your confidence is unjustified
I think you're probably town from this exchange fwiw!
Can you show me the work why you think they are town?
Rat?
I think Rat's confidence reads as genuine and like a pretty strange scum approach
Yes I think they are town as well.
But you seemed to switch pretty quickly to them being a town read
In post 385, Aureal wrote:
I have definitely complained like that as town when people scumread me for what feels like would be bad play as scum. It's especially obnoxious to me of course, not having even had any proper scumgames that I could even try to point them towards to supplement my argument that really, I wouldn't just be lazy and meme most of day one if I had finally gotten a red PM.
I don't understand why it was called out in the first place, I think there is too much confidence floating around here so far this game
By 'it' you mean HPE; you're saying you don't understand why anyone has a scumread on it? Because I feel like there's been quite a bit of explanation from numerous people.
In post 367, Klick wrote:
Meh
All I can really say is that I disagree with your interpretation of Gimli's behavior and think your confidence is unjustified
I think you're probably town from this exchange fwiw!
Can you show me the work why you think they are town?
Rat?
I think Rat's confidence reads as genuine and like a pretty strange scum approach
Yes I think they are town as well.
But you seemed to switch pretty quickly to them being a town read
What made you townread Rat?
Do you like answering questions with another question?
This is the second time I am asking for a detailed reasoning on why YOU think they are town
'dREW DID IT BETTER' - T-Bone
'doctor drew our hero' - Shiki
'I love playing with him, he's got an amazing presence to him that just feels like the game is lacking something when he's not there' - JacksonVirgo
If it is their confidence as you put it, fair enough I guess, but you seem to be moving in a weird way.
'dREW DID IT BETTER' - T-Bone
'doctor drew our hero' - Shiki
'I love playing with him, he's got an amazing presence to him that just feels like the game is lacking something when he's not there' - JacksonVirgo
'moving in a weird way' is a claim that I've already addressed. It's easy to state blanket suspicion on a style of play that isn't immediately easy to understand.
In post 360, Klick wrote:
I feel like the things I've said to RR have gone in one ear and out the other
Ok I will help you out.
How did you go from here...
In post 367, Klick wrote:
Meh
All I can really say is that I disagree with your interpretation of Gimli's behavior and think your confidence is unjustified
I think you're probably town from this exchange fwiw!
And then two posts later go to here(your posts not total game posts).
'dREW DID IT BETTER' - T-Bone
'doctor drew our hero' - Shiki
'I love playing with him, he's got an amazing presence to him that just feels like the game is lacking something when he's not there' - JacksonVirgo
In post 385, Aureal wrote:
I have definitely complained like that as town when people scumread me for what feels like would be bad play as scum. It's especially obnoxious to me of course, not having even had any proper scumgames that I could even try to point them towards to supplement my argument that really, I wouldn't just be lazy and meme most of day one if I had finally gotten a red PM.
I don't understand why it was called out in the first place, I think there is too much confidence floating around here so far this game
Dragon talked about the scum read on HPE on this post 164. It was HPE approach towards me is what pinged him and Thomith said HPE's play here was reminding him of a completed scum game HPE was in.
Still haven't liked their interaction with Rat, and Rat does seem pretty towny, so allow me to, ahem......follow them
Which part of the interaction of Klick and RR did you not like? I wasn't able to get a read out of that and I'm null on them. Dragon said he is town reading Klick because of meta.