Mini 2331 - Touhou UPick: Anonymous Edition (Game Over)

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

anyways i kinda wanna avoid dragging down the thread so i'll take a breather

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

There was this townread that somehow shifted on a dime to a scumread Kagerou felt comfortable 1v1ing without any real established push from them prior. And that “miswording” feels bizarre on top of that.

Ichirin made a towny post wow

*4 real life days happen*

ok maybe Ichirin isn't town let's fight

WOW SO SUDDEN AND UNPRECEDENT OF YOU KAGEROU, YOU MUST B A MMBR OF THE MAFIA

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

i kinda wanna go back on tenshi this is even worse than Ichirin

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Part of me wanted to say that scumflip on Clownpiece exonerates Kagerou after catching a glance of this post but I have alot of issues with a similar more recent post:

Well, which ones do you think are bad faith?

You, Kagerou and Clownpiece for sure, Koishi could be trying to coast along without having to give in-depth analysis on me as an easy mislim, as I theorized. Otherwise I think Sanae and Tenshi just aren't really bothering to put in the effort to read me.

That's still like 4 townies at least who are legitimately thinking you're scum, i'm especially curious how clown is "in bad faith" where like, her case on you is quite voluminous

1. Did you miss the part where I said no one is in good faith or entirely aware of what's going on? Are you counting yourself as a "townie"? I can't say for sure if there's 2 or 3 scum, though I'm willing to bet 3 considering everyone is a power role, but either way I would think you'd understand that town being up for a wagon does not make it a good wagon inherently especially when the odds that scum are all just chilling nonchalantly on it are very high and that the majority of town who ARE on it just aren't fucking paying attention to the facts of the case or are being intentionally obtuse for some mysterious reason.
2. Obviously, I am of the firm belief that Clownpiece is not even remotely good faith right now, but what I want to call attention to is that I think Clownpiece was MORE good faith when you were saying she WASN'T. It's very mysterious as to why you said these conflicting things but I'm realizing that either way you two seem to love to defend eachother's reads on me.

you can't be both town and in bad faith, like, that doesn't add up

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

all this is probably locking my vote in Ichirin tbh

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

i really think Ichirin is just a naturally OMGUSy player and that is rubbing some people the wrong way

or they are intentionally painting that as scummy to push hir

i expect Clownpiece fits into the first category and Kagerou the latter

You do realize i'm the one currently OMGUSing right

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

I guess i would not be completely against a Koishi lim but, in a sense it feels like Koishi wants the pressure on him while Ichirin is trying really hard to avoid it, if we're considering they have equal odds of flipping scum i'm absolutely staying on Ichi

My take on the Ichirin 2 scum comment was that it's either a slip or trying extremely hard to dumbtell to save hirself

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

she*, sorry Koishi

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Kaguya's laid back attitude as we're consolidating on wagons makes me think she's either scum or we're wagoning 3 townies and she kinda doesn't need to do anything

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

she's either town or she's scum and we're wagoning 3 townies*

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

trying to find stuff to say but really i think i'm happy with everything

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

or like, happy to leave my vote where it is

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

sorry but you need 200+ posts to be a cool kid now

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

So you've been trying to get run up ...
Honestly no idea

I mean jeez, have you not seen how cheekily annoying I've been going out of my way to be?

Yeah ok that checks out lol

no clue what you arr

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

what a cliffhanger

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

i honestly don't care about playing your games

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Loyal vigilante

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

My brain is going through 100 roles and none of them fit

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

The strongwilled part would be interesting on a strong PR but i don't think it's worth trying to leash it

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

i don't care about this claim

just like i don't care about Ichirin's claim

but i am down for Clownpiece slot being protected by Koishi's role, although this will not dissuade from continuing to push for Koishi's elimination

You do realize we lose a lot of utility if you're wrong on Koishi

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

or like, you mean push Koishi tommorow?

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

VOTE: Kagerou

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

i mean, i don't really mind you no, i think you're town and that's what i get for flying too close to the sun

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

i mean, i don't really mind you no, i think you're town and that's what i get for flying too close to the sun

for the record i do feel bad if you are town here, i've been hard on you and i know that it's not fun to be on the receiving end. i just don't THINK you're town here so i am trying to shove my sympathies for you to the deepest recesses of my heart and stay the course

i am probably not getting my way today and am slowly beginning to accept it, so if you're town you will probably still have an opportunity to prove me wrong!

Uh, honestly no you haven't? Like yeah idk you're scumreading me big deal, i'd maybe be a bit more agitated about it you played agressive about it or something, but that's just to say that you're not doing anything wrong right now

Yeah idk, i hope it will come naturally, seems like we don't really have the same view around how to do townplay

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

i don't care about this claim

just like i don't care about Ichirin's claim

but i am down for Clownpiece slot being protected by Koishi's role, although this will not dissuade from continuing to push for Koishi's elimination

You do realize we lose a lot of utility if you're wrong on Koishi

but for real, i don't really care? the priority is to eliminate scum. if i feel Koishi is scum, any potential utility we lose in the event that the are town will likely not prevent me from pushing for her elimination

Unless you think everyone else is town and you're some kind of mafia god there is no point in taking such a gamble and that's something i feel strongly about

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

idk where the VC is at but we definitely need to know Koishi's target before ending the day

do we? i think it's better if it stays hidden right

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

(Obviously the "elim me before xylim" parts don't apply if I'm somehow cleared via other means but I'm not gonna sit here and say I'm worth copping just to keep me alive going into that phase if we get there over hitting others)

I mean, why would we need to lim you more than any other unconfirmed town player?

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

(Obviously the "elim me before xylim" parts don't apply if I'm somehow cleared via other means but I'm not gonna sit here and say I'm worth copping just to keep me alive going into that phase if we get there over hitting others)

I mean, why would we need to lim you more than any other unconfirmed town player?

Because with my claim public as of D1 me making it to that phase will naturally lad to me being super fishy and I don't feel like being the game-losing mis-elim? And if that does occur then heck, I brought a super townie slot to endgame for ya'll.

you could always act towny, i belive in you

pedit : holy shit daiyousei has said something i agree with, this is an important event

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

don't see a reason not to lim him tomorrow

I mean, other than the protection not working if I'm dead?

I mean that's why I asked what happens if you get limmed and the way you answered I thought the protection still holds

If it doesn't - holy heck is this a good fake-claim for you not to be limmed any time soon if you're scum and I kinda hate it

People are falling for the same "Role = Alignment" trap they did with Ichirin in the other direction. If we think Koishi is scum we kill her today, if we don't we don't kill her

cause people have never been wrong on anyone yes

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

i'm so perplexed as to why Ichirin think 2 scum is what's expected for 13 players

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

i really can't wrap my head around what ichirin is saying right now

this all sounds really out there but also coming from a consistent mindset?

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

and telling what alignement this is coming from sounds even worse

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

and telling what alignement this is coming from sounds even worse

So you're just gonna skip putting in the effort and lim me instead, I see how it is.

i mean, i'm starting from a place of scumreading you, it's not like i *need* to read you based on these posts

you've made me reconsider if i was wrong or not, i think that's a lot

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

fuck Ichirin is posting good again

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

no cap fr

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

UNVOTE:

this is a problem for tommorow kagerou i think

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

I may or may not be able to thrown a laser beam at someone's face yes

this ability is also unable to be recharged so i'm advising no one tries to do this to gain a second vig shot

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

sorry i promised reevaluation but actually i didn't do it <3

I guess i still think Ichirin is the elimination that's most attractive in my eyes, but people aren't really rushing to suggest alternatives (Koishi lim isn't happening) and i'd rather giving too much of a hint as to who i'm shooting tonight

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Wordsalad but i think i've gotten my point accross

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

VOTE: Ichirin

I don't think i'm able to bring myself to vote anywhere else today yeah

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Larva can you not please

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Even if that's the case that would mean his energy would be better spent elsewhere

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

I do agree on your reasons to townread Ichirin, and like, i think sie's barely above >rand for flipping scum, but i was thinking about who else i was voting if not hir and i kinda blanked on names, don't get me wrong i have scumreads, i'm just not getting them killed

i'm also more comfortable killing a role we know is at worse low utility anyways rather than outing more claims, we already have 3 roles out

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

did you like…do anything else when you unvoted Ichirin?

who were you considering as scum that you ultimately decided not to push during that period?

PEdit: @Kagerou

You'll see tonight

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

today i learned Kagerou is claiming a dayvig shot and i am left questioning why they wouldn’t just keep this to themselves as scum and just shoot an obvtown player in the event they become the elimination for today

or why as scum they would just lie about a role that should be provable

i hate this for me

don't get me wrong i kinda wanted to keep it to myself

but then people started going "Lol Marisa has her final spark spellcard, does that mean Kagerou can vig someone?" And at this stage that probably takes away the point in hiding it

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

don't get me wrong i have scumreads, i'm just not getting them killed

won't know until you try!

We have 1 day until deadline

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

today i learned Kagerou is claiming a dayvig shot and i am left questioning why they wouldn’t just keep this to themselves as scum and just shoot an obvtown player in the event they become the elimination for today

or why as scum they would just lie about a role that should be provable

i hate this for me

don't get me wrong i kinda wanted to keep it to myself

but then people started going "Lol Marisa has her final spark spellcard, does that mean Kagerou can vig someone?" And at this stage that probably takes away the point in hiding it

especially since, to reiterate, it can't gain another shot in any way, so i'd rather people waste their actions trying that

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

don't get me wrong i have scumreads, i'm just not getting them killed

won't know until you try!

We have 1 day until deadline

we had 2.5 days until deadline at the time of your ichirin vote where you could have tried someone else!

i was tired and kinda hoped it would resolve on it's own

i guess i could be convinced to do Koishi

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Actually hmmm, i might have a theory

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

i don't think leashing vig shots is good practice

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

but like sure if enough people agree i could

i maybe struggle to see the point to do that rather than just lim Koishi

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Negative utility?

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

VOTE: Koishi

I feel better about Koishi flipping scum, which makes the risk of flipping a bodyguard worth it

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

i think you're overestimating the neg utility and underestimating the positive utility

Koishi kinda gave up on making scum waste blocking actions in a world where she was town

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

VOTE: Sanae

this better be for realsies

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

tbh I think Sanae's recent positions suck and if I assume that all of Aya, Irchin, Koishi, Reisen, Marisa are all town, then Sanae becomes an immediate point of concern.

I mean, not to be rude but "If half the players are town maybe someone in the other half is scum" is not your greatest point

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

I think pretty much everyone is being some level of townie in this game

trying to team solve while we don't have any flip isn't gonna work out

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

You've just said it's not working though

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

tbh I think Sanae's recent positions suck and if I assume that all of Aya, Irchin, Koishi, Reisen, Marisa are all town, then Sanae becomes an immediate point of concern.

I mean, not to be rude but "If half the players are town maybe someone in the other half is scum" is not your greatest point

This comment is also not constructive. Did you think I just wrote a bunch of names there arbitrarily? Like, what are you doing?

i'm trying to post but my brain isn't working

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

I have to imagine it was at least PRTIALLY tweaked after alignments

I mean it's kinda a me thing but i doubt the mod dares to give scum a vig shot

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Yeah so i waited a bit to see how you would react on that but it's a night vig not a day vig

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Honestly, i think the alignement reveal is one of the only way where the "Role is disconnected from alignement" stuff makes a lot of sense

so it's probably true at the very least

i do still think Sanae is scum though

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Hi friends!!!!!!! Wow you've posted a bunch.

I agree with Aya-San that we can basically force Sanae-San to self-vig overnight and try to kill someone else. If Sanae self-vigs and Kagerou also vigs then that skips one day phase but gives us 2 town controlled kills in exchange which is pretty town. Anyone in favor of this proposal please show your support for it by posting:
HEAL: Sanae Self vig

i'm in but not wagoning anyone other than Ichirin

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Sanae i'm wondering, why are you so worried about us voting the wrong slots if the plan is for you to stump yourself?

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

like it's not like you won't be here anymore

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

i'm ready to vote Ichirin but it seems like people still wanna do a bit of talking

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Are we just killing Ichirin?

Ugh. I think we might have to?

Gods I hate this.

If I kill Ichirin and she is town and Sanae is scum I am going to scream so loud.

I mean yeah it feels bad but if Sanae is scum she dies anyways

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Okay edible fully kicked in.

It really thinks that this is about an 80-20 decision here where the 20 is "amazing glory of helping snipe a scum-sanae out of nowhere going into my main's legacy postgame" and the 80 is "falling flat on your ass making a terrible suboptimal play and getting town chain-elim'd"

Yeah basically

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Wolfy, was your vig shot "strong" or just not marked as "active"?


Nice shot, I was completely pocketed by those initial interactions and glad you weren't!

why'd you try to roleblock

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

i also do not claim the shot on Larva fwiw

congrats to our bus driver / redirector / whatever

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Wolfy, was your vig shot "strong" or just not marked as "active"?


Nice shot, I was completely pocketed by those initial interactions and glad you weren't!

why'd you try to roleblock

I didn't? Go read Tenshi's role PM.

i mean clearly other actions did go through

but yes, i guess that since there really isn't any point in holding it anymore my vig shot was unstoppable

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Tenshi

i'm truly the greatest vigilante in town

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Why did you try to target Tenshi

So ... someone swapped Tenshi and Eternity?

Or Eternity died some other way I suppose

Because i thought they were scum

my vig shot is also guaranteed to kill the player i choose so it's not whatever happened

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Yeah me too

maybe a PGO? Larva certainely sounds like the scum member who would perform the kill

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Did... did somebody redirect the scum NIGHT KILL onto larva, and the vig shot was just true on Tenshi? (which, terrible shot lmfao dude was obvtown as shit by end of day)

obvtown sounds like a bit much but ok maybe it wasn't the best shot i could've done

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Why'd you pick Tenshi over anyone else?

cause i thought Tenshi was the most likely scum? What do you want me to say

their EoD behaviour especially prompted that

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

ok so I am confused by something, Kagerou, what abilities of yours are public knowledge?

I have a vig shot that will kill it's target whatever happens and i am reavealed as Marisa Kirisame during pregame

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

ok so I am confused by something, Kagerou, what abilities of yours are public knowledge?

I have a vig shot that will kill it's target whatever happens and i am reavealed as Marisa Kirisame during pregame

And you shot Tenshi?

Yeah that's what happened

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

or was it like redirected or something?
I'm just waking up so I'm slowly trying to understand the situation here.

guaranteed to kill my target aka : unredirectable

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

oh btw I spent a night charging a commuter
I can now yeet myself to Narnia (or HELL) for the rest of the game!!!!!!

But you still are alive in the game if you do that right

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

So I was informed I lost my Camera and cant use my active on n2

Oh so that's what my active does

yeah that's me hi

my active is burglary, i can steal an item from people, it's basically a flavor cop with undescribed side effects

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

there's also something else that happened to me tonight but it's completely null-utility so i'm keeping it to back up someone's claim later (it might be good used in other contexts)

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

it would've been so funny if you bided to Larva

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

So I was informed I lost my Camera and cant use my active on n2

Oh so that's what my active does

yeah that's me hi

my active is burglary, i can steal an item from people, it's basically a flavor cop with undescribed side effects

You BITCH gimme my camera backk ;_;

Sorry i needed to take a selfie of my tenshi kill

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Right, keep forgetting about that

Kagerou can you elaborate on why you thought Tenshi was so scummy / worthy to be vigged?

Sure can !

Basically it's no secret that i already was scumreading Tenshi, for reasons that i could gather up if you want

her EoD also seemed extremely non-commital? Like, saying a lot of stuff and it's contrary, which was the spot where i expected scum to sit, especially considering she was apparently a bit exhausted at that time (me too) it just didn't fit in my eyes

I also like, didn't recall mentions of outstanding towniness about Tenshi from other people so it made me feel good about the shot at least shrinking down the PoE's size

And there also was a bit of hoping i would get the honors of actually having been correct on the wagon i tried to push through earlier in the game

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Hi, i would like to apology for my inactivity, work is kicking my ass and i'm bad at managing it

i know i have to reply to you Sanae, i'll get to it as soon as i can

i'll say that going down the current PoE we have feels weird but also correct? idk

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

So I was informed I lost my Camera and cant use my active on n2

Oh so that's what my active does

yeah that's me hi

my active is burglary, i can steal an item from people, it's basically a flavor cop with undescribed side effects

Are you able to use it? Or do you just disable whatever you take?

I was not informed i would be disabling anything, this is not a steal no, i just have a camera item

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Seems like i fucked up my last useful night action lol

otherwise sorry again for the really quiet day 2, today should be way better

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Seems like i fucked up my last useful night action lol

otherwise sorry again for the really quiet day 2, today should be way better

So why'd you flavor cop me when I said my role prevents me from fake claiming my flavor?

that's fun cause i didn't do that and it's not like there's a redirection since i actually targeted reisen and got no result (wanted to check her ascetic status)

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

oh yeah no, i disable actives

actually i had my passive disabled last day, that was the thing that i didn't wanna claim since like, it's not like it was changing anything and it could actually mess scum up a bit

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

i think that ability is pretty likely to come from town use since like, disabling my passive was obviously not gonna do much

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

i actually targeted reisen and got no result (wanted to check her ascetic status)

Why test Reisens Ascetic claim over someone who hadn't flavor claimed like Dai?

Cause i didn't wanna mess up actual useful abilities?

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

what's so hmm about that?

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

i mean, they're from a postion of me not wanting to screw up and worsen things if that would allow you to better understeand what's going on inside my mind

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

that's what Aya reported happened and i don't see any world where she lies

of course it maybe could've had changing effects depending on who i targeted but that's not a theory i belive in too much, and it didn't cross my mind when choosing night actions

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

oh yeah no, i disable actives

actually i had my passive disabled last day, that was the thing that i didn't wanna claim since like, it's not like it was changing anything and it could actually mess scum up a bit

Was it disabled for the day only or also for the night?

until the end of night 2

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

VOTE: Kaguya Houraisan

I kinda like Kaguya's reaction to having her passive disabled, it shows as pretty uniformed imo

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

although this game kinda is a headache

i'm struggling to see how Kaguya makes this kill when she would be very much aware it strongly points to her

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

I think the play is

VOTE: reisen

i'm interested but also tell me more

it's weird how there's basically no options that are really that appealing in the PoE, finding scumreads is hard

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

although this game kinda is a headache

i'm struggling to see how Kaguya makes this kill when she would be very much aware it strongly points to her

Doesn't it strongly point to me?
The neighborhood shenanigans made them suddenly uniquely vulnerable and then they took steps to rectify that with a game solve.

Yes but unless i'm misundersteanding something it's not like you are more likely to be aware of the fact that clown lied on their commute than anyone else right?

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

I think the play is

VOTE: reisen

i'm interested but also tell me more

it's weird how there's basically no options that are really that appealing in the PoE, finding scumreads is hard

please voice your suspicions about why each player might be scum or why each player might be town.

Marisa : unless scum went for a weird gambit she's basically never scum

aya / koishi : mech cleared by virtue of redirection

Reisen : a slot that's kinda been more around the edges of action, a position scum would certainely have been cool with taking given how things were going, something i'm finding curious is that Larva kinda did the whole "why is no one looking at Reisen" thing like i did with Tenshi, and i guess it could be bus? It certainely didn't go very far

Kaguya : big WIFOM slot that makes my head hurt, mechanically scum but i very much like her tone and idk if that's something scum would be able to go for

Daiyousei : Her play in itself is probably what i would list the most as conventionally scum, additioally i don't see why she would use that "get out of thread for the first half of the phase" ability if it was indeed her, actually yeah lol i'm not finding much reasons to townread that still

Yuuka : town by overall tone, that's probably where i most urgently need to do a reread

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Yuuka: what specifically do I gain from having Dai suicide into Clownpiece as maf?

Did you suggest that Dai do this or did clown piece? I remember it being clownpiece.

My point is that there's absolutely nothing stopping me from not telling Dai about the Clownpiece hood and keeping her alive off of that

Yes but like it would still allow you to kill Dai / Clown at the same time, do you not think scum!you would find value in that?

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Werewolf, Reisen, convince me why I shouldn't murder you because I am a murder hobo whose murdering murder is ready to murder murderously.

But seriously, I feel like I have no idea your thoughts on the state of the game or anything that has really happened in the past game cycle. I can remember Sanae's takes better than yours, and she's dead and hasn't been able to post this phase.

I think if i'm scum the following things happen - my scumbuddies talk me into realizing tenshi's EoD was apparently obvtown

i shoot you cause like you're a bodyguard and we're gonna have to kill you eventually and you're a realistic kill

in terms of in thread play i'll admit that my head has trouble sticking to this game but i think i would have had less trouble keeping my head in things (the troubles started around end of day1) seeing how one of my buddies is widely TR'd (larva) and also 2 townies are being wagoned and stuff

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

my passive is show off which makes the fact that i'm marisa public

my other spellcard was stardust reverie which would allow me to enter into a neighborhood and if it was temporary i would make it permanent, i used it on Aya and it did nothing

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Yeah ok sorry Kaguya but i really don't get your proof by contradiction

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Werewolf, Reisen, convince me why I shouldn't murder you because I am a murder hobo whose murdering murder is ready to murder murderously.

But seriously, I feel like I have no idea your thoughts on the state of the game or anything that has really happened in the past game cycle. I can remember Sanae's takes better than yours, and she's dead and hasn't been able to post this phase.

I think if i'm scum the following things happen - my scumbuddies talk me into realizing tenshi's EoD was apparently obvtown

i shoot you cause like you're a bodyguard and we're gonna have to kill you eventually and you're a realistic kill

Maf actually did shoot Koishi though?

Yes but i'm saying that i'm the one who would've made the shot since it was a pretty realistic one

i'll admit i forgot that Koishi was shot for a bit lol

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

What do you think about killing Kagerou here?

I'm listening.

I'm tired of drag-our-feet playing. It's gotten us absolutely nowhere effective. We are only not in crisis because either scum made a very cheeky delay gabit (low odds imo) or Aya just saved our sorry asses with a GREAT single-use role usage. (high odds, IMO) We need to rally and start massively upswinging the solve-mood in the air. I want everyone's cases, I want this to be a page of lol casewalls where everything just lays it all out.

It's mostly POE. We know there's an unclaimed (so scum) passive disable N2 on me. Kagerou has a sus shot on Tenshi. Kagerou had an unclaimed passive disable N1 that she only bothered to claim D3 when I said my passives got disabled on a night that she flavor copped an Ascetic claim over literally anyone else. I think Kagerou Burglarized me and is lying about it, and I don't see any reason for town Kagerou to lie about it but plenty of reason for scum Kagerou to flavor cop me when her only other target would be Marisa with the Remilia/Flandre claim or Daiyousei who I'm pretty sure already slipped in thread that they're Dai at that point

I hinted at the passive disable Day2, and as i said i thought it was a town ability since it's pretty obvious that my passive was the revealed as Marisa thing

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

my passive is show off which makes the fact that i'm marisa public

my other spellcard was stardust reverie which would allow me to enter into a neighborhood and if it was temporary i would make it permanent, i used it on Aya and it did nothing

When did you use it

Last night

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Yeah ok sorry Kaguya but i really don't get your proof by contradiction

It's simple: do you think stopping a scum kill on Aya/Koishi while in a hood with Clown would get me in the towncore? If yes then the numbers work out so that one person in the towncore survives til 3p ELO/4p MELO regardless of the results of Clownpiece's cop check

Not necessarily no?

The plan could also very well be for you to buy as much time as possible for the last mafia who is in a better position than you

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Ok maybe this is just me being contrarian but i feel like scum explicitely shooting their own foot to mess with town is in everyone's thoughts enough for this plan to not stick you forever in the townsphere basically

it would give you most towncred than me / reisen / even marisa maybe i'll admit that much

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Like that'd be a level of paranoia that'd have you questioning the Aya redirect and you've been pretty content to leave the mech clear there

Also not a fan of the hedginess in tone there

The difference with Aya is that it came at a point where the mafia is in no rush to do things

night 2 there were 3/4 pretty much conftown slots 1 dead scum and much more urgency to actually *do* things

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Likewise i'm not a fan of you immediatly jumping on me while i'm still explaining my thoughts

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Could everyone drop their bracketed reads at some point soon? I'm having trouble putting together the exact game state view from some of you.


Did Marisa go vla?

{Koishi / Aya}
{Marisa}
~~~~
{Daiyousei / Yuuka}
~~~~
{Kaguya / Reisen}

At most 1 scum above the bottom-most divider

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

The Fruit thing with Larva

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

The Fruit thing with Larva

Do you not think that Larva could have sent Dango to Tenshi and then Marisa saw the chance to claim it?

Yeah i do admit it's something i've seen and thought about, still it's not absolute evidence, but it's stuff i feel good enough about, combined to how i feel about Marisa (i wouldn't hard TR two scums in a row right? :clueless:)

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

this thread feels like watching Kaguya trying to pry open the PoE with a crowbar

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

[*] Kagerou Imaizumi

Ok this probably wasn't intended but this is so funny

also like, as i've said idk if i'm ever using my ability like that as scum but that's a me thing

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

whoopsies formatting is hard

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Also wait uh, Reisen / Larva had a hood? where

an S/S hood makes sense with my "join a hood" ability tbh

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

this thread feels like watching Kaguya trying to pry open the PoE with a crowbar

this was a jokey post but the feeling behind it is absolutely real, Kaguya kinda feels like scum forgetting to keep up appearances in a way because they are so busy with all that's already on their mind?

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

there's also something else that happened to me tonight but it's completely null-utility so i'm keeping it to back up someone's claim later (it might be good used in other contexts)

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

this thread feels like watching Kaguya trying to pry open the PoE with a crowbar

this was a jokey post but the feeling behind it is absolutely real, Kaguya kinda feels like scum forgetting to keep up appearances in a way because they are so busy with all that's already on their mind?

Put more words to this and make me feel it.

Kaguya is acting pretty suddenly in a way that's very straight to the point and focused, it reads as if she kinda bypassed some of the steps to solving that people usually need to take, notice how a lot of her takes, come out effortlessly without a lot of solving visible to the naked eye, and while that's not inherently a scum trait, some of her posts like the one in 4595 read as if she already had an idea for a case and is fitting it the best way she can to answer Yuuka rather than like, trying to play *with* Yuuka?

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

oh yeah no, i disable actives

actually i had my passive disabled last day, that was the thing that i didn't wanna claim since like, it's not like it was changing anything and it could actually mess scum up a bit

Was it disabled for the day only or also for the night?

until the end of night 2

Hi Okay so I have some info to reveal. Namely that I am indeed the passive disabler but I targeted Daiyousei night 1, not Kagerou.

Meaning that I was redirected.

interesting !

2 watchers 2 ninja 2 redirectors

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

oh yeah no, i disable actives

actually i had my passive disabled last day, that was the thing that i didn't wanna claim since like, it's not like it was changing anything and it could actually mess scum up a bit

Was it disabled for the day only or also for the night?

until the end of night 2

Hi Okay so I have some info to reveal. Namely that I am indeed the passive disabler but I targeted Daiyousei night 1, not Kagerou.

Meaning that I was redirected.

Distracted reading from work, but wanted to pop in to verify that Kagerou was indeed my Night 1 target. I thought there was a realistic possibility they'd shoot me and I wanted to turn it back on them if so.

D:

rude

also i guess WIFOM is WIFOM but this kinda confirms us as not S/S since it's not like my vig shot was able to be redirected

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

How about we let the mech reads stop for a bit and play classic mafia, it seem like we're getting deep in the wine here

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Well sucks for you, mech solver, but my passive is just the hood :shrug:

Can you full claim?

Nah.

How about for me?

If I claim I lose the ability to maybe get a guilty tonight. Is it worth it?

problem being that tommorow is ELo

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Did someone request a blank page? Well give me a few hours and you'll get some indecipherable reads.

Howdy!

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Yes, actually. This game drastically needs you (if you're town anyway) to be readable and not a lurksack.

You spot is also holding up massclaim.

Why are we massclaiming with a dead scum?

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

For the record, my slot killed Tenshi. Aya has no hood.

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

There may be irregularities with Aya's night 1 action or those targeting Aya and my slot was probably deliberately trying not to mess people up night 2.

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Aya claimed redirection on Koishi unto to Larvae, who is scum.

Aya did claim a neighborhood with Clownpiece that should have closed at the end of day 2.
When was the neighborhood check?

Night 2. If my slot would have targeted Aya n1, it would have been permanent.

I am trying to decipher my past actions. Unless my slot was paranoid or convinced Reisen was scum, part of the feedback makes no sense.

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

There may be irregularities with Aya's night 1 action or those targeting Aya and my slot was probably deliberately trying not to mess people up night 2.

According to the mod, I used two spellcards.

N1) Vig shot
Stole camera from Aya

N2) Hood check
Attempted to steal from ascetic (why?)
My N1 action was blocked. My N1 spell card acts before all other abilities and so is unaffected. You also disabled my n2 action.

That or I was disabled by Tenshi.

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

That got garbled

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

N1- Vig
Stole camera from Aya

N2 - "Hood Check"
Stole nothing from Reisen

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

So are you claiming to be out of stuff to do, more or less?

I don't see how answering this is helpful.

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Like... We are confirmed town on N2, checking my hood with CP which inserts them in... I wonder if it announces the insertion.

It does. I would have joined and made it permanent. I was hiding that in case someone lied about having a hood.

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

I have revealed what may impact others but I am trying not to let scum know about the future. I don't see why massclaim is a thing with a dead scum.

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

There may be irregularities with Aya's night 1 action or those targeting Aya and my slot was probably deliberately trying not to mess people up night 2.

Your slot was trying to get in the Aya/Clownpiece hood most likely except they didn't know that it closes at the end of the day so it did nothing

How did you know I would have entered the hood?

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Because we're about to enter melo if we miss here.
And then claims lose significant value.

Now, scum have a role blocker of some variety. So knowing who should and should not be targeted helps them.

On the other hand - eh. Pretty desperate for anything to latch onto.

@Aya, I directly asked the mod if unannounced neighbors could be a thing this game. They said it would be bastard.
So 100% not the case.

My cards are on the table or crumbed enough. I'd rather hide if I have additional shots.

If I can act, I intend to target scumreads.

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

There's nothing stating that it would and given it didn't no.

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

I kinda want to vote Sanae.

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Could you ask them?

Sure.

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

I kinda want to vote Sanae.

Sigh. They're dead and they're town and I'm ignoring that because it's the kind of slip I'd make if I were scum replacing into a game and going for low cunning absolvement.

That said, funnily enough, it's kind of rare for that to actually be the case from personal experience.
But still, no.

Yeah sorry going in thread order. Not caught up.

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

I received a Dango from Larva. Pretty sure that means I'm confirmed town!

UwU

Yuck

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

I received a Dango from Larva. Pretty sure that means I'm confirmed town!

UwU

I mean, it's still well within WIFOM land as a relatively simple ability that can build rep between scum buds, but it's a large point in your favor. Especially given I doubt larva expected to flip here.

Vig death can easily have been the Dango target.

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

You read REALLY fast for a wolf girl.

I'm not reading in order.

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Not touching today:
Clownpiece --- Red flag
Sanae - Flipped d1 wagon, d2
Yuuka
Marisa
Ichirin - Flipped d1 wagon

Would begrudgingly compromise on but would need to be thoroughly convinced: [Probably 1 in here]
Kaguya
Daiyousei

What’s left: [Probably 0 in here]
Aya - Probable town
Reisen
Kagerou
Koishi - Probable town
Tenshi - Flipped

hey i have less townreads than i thought

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

I am entitled to think that Larvae told the truth. That there is infact one within Kaguya and Dai

That was my notes on the posts, not Larvae's words

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Not touching today:
Clownpiece
Sanae
Yuuka
Marisa
Ichirin

Would begrudgingly compromise on but would need to be thoroughly convinced:
Kaguya
Daiyousei

What’s left:
Aya
Reisen
Kagerou
Koishi
Tenshi

hey i have less townreads than i thought

Actual post

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

I feel this is a strategic readwall. The game, at the time the post was made, the wagons were approximately Reisen and Kagura. Eternity may not have wanted the Kagura wagon to take off but didn't want to be off it if it did. They'd rather steer the lim towards any town at the bottom.

Clownpiece (or Marisa) is widely townread enough and it protects.

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Clownpiece appears almost everytime Eterntity mentions three or more players.

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Maybe clownpiece was a death godfather all along...

Ok I missed that too. I'm pretty human.

Despite me shooting myself in the foot with a twelve gauge shotgun, I think (as of my current reading) it's Kaguya and Marisa. Longshot Yuuka. Still need to read more but want to get something down.

Also, I don't see any prior notes.

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

VOTE: Kaguya

I'll start here.

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Kaguya and Marisa

OMG this is the funniest possible universe.

Then maybe I'll get on After Midnight with funny truth bombs.

But why is it funny?

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

I need a vote count I guess lmao. What is it well closely

Yukka, which are you preferring?

Kaguya, thoughts on me?

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Also, I don't see any prior notes.

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hmm

Koishi did you get old Koishi's notes PT when you replaced in?

No. I double checked.

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

I had access, but old-brain hadn't posted or used it, so it didn't show up in egosearch and I had to manually scroll the list of private topics to find it. (it was buried under a bunch of finished game PTs)

Oh

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Mod did remove ig. I only have PT2

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Where is that claim by Marisa?

Also, what exactly is your scumpool Yuuka?

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

I had access, but old-brain hadn't posted or used it, so it didn't show up in egosearch and I had to manually scroll the list of private topics to find it. (it was buried under a bunch of finished game PTs)

Oh

Are you certain they weren't just deleted by the mod?

Why is this rabbit hole relevant?

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

My paranoid fear here is that both are town.

And the team is something like Dai-deepwolf-deepwolf.

Hmph..

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Aya Shameimaru - Never Vote
Yuuka Kazami - Kill if Sanae flips town
Kaguya Houraisan - Nothing I have that points to town seems like it weighs more than anything else offered. Kaguya doesn't die today.
Kagerou Imaizumi - I think I see some evidence of towinness but this GiF actually just does not know how to prod people. Tenshi feels like a weird target to remove from the game from a wolf pov.
Koishi Komeiji - never vote
Daiyousei - I actually liked Daiyousei's D2. It's probably not enough in the long term but I want to say these are villager made posts > wolf ones
Marisa Kirisame - never vote
Clownpiece - me!!!!!!
Reisen Udongein Inaba - Reisen's posting to me came across as uninformed more than anything. Reisen's ascetic makes her impossible to clear mechanically though. Though this is generally the point of ascetics.
Sanae Kochiya - Kill

Hmmm

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Changing to Dai, Yuuka

VOTE: Dai

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

I had access, but old-brain hadn't posted or used it, so it didn't show up in egosearch and I had to manually scroll the list of private topics to find it. (it was buried under a bunch of finished game PTs)

Oh

Are you certain they weren't just deleted by the mod?

Why is this rabbit hole relevant?

Town post notes. Because no masons. So neighbors are ambiguous.
Scum post in the hood. Maybe if one of the scum buddies piss them off they post in the notes. But not much.

Some people just don't use notes PTs and this notes PT angleshooting is awkward and not relevant to alignments so much as playstyles.

I intended to but people need to see my process more

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Ok. Poke at my thoughts please.

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Where is your read of Reisen?

Hasn't been a major wagon or a major FoS of scum nightkill targets at the time they were shot

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Why are you voting before you're caught up and have a solid sense of the game?

Because reading chronologically is not how I get reads. Discussing reads is how I get them. Hint.

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Koishi how do you feel about time travel?

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Why are you voting before you're caught up and have a solid sense of the game?

Because reading chronologically is not how I get reads. Discussing reads is how I get them. Hint.

You make reads by discussing reads? Context would be incredibly important in that regard, because if you don't know the story behind how each read developed you're not going to be able to identify false reads from real ones.

By pressing on a read and not knowing the justification can verify the logic of a read AND sort the speaker. It prevents group think. Everyone thinks unique.

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Koishi how do you feel about time travel?

One of my favorite games of all time used it as a mechanic!

But uh, depends on the type of time travel.

Compare your EoD 1 reads with Clown's last reads.

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

That's like hundreds of pages ago, though?

But if you're trying to make a point, please just make it.

Same scumteam. Same kills. Stagnant game. Kill the smart ones.

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

That's like hundreds of pages ago, though?

But if you're trying to make a point, please just make it.

Same scumteam. Same kills. Stagnant game. Kill the smart ones.

Those two being...?

N1 You N2 Clock because that's when you were shot...

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Sorry, I'm losing the plot here.

Can you explain like i'm 5?

I will in an hour but comparing the reads of the nightkills at the time they were shot is a common sense good idea.

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Clown dying makes sense if you figure scum thought koichi would have been protecting clown n1 so they shoot at koichi to get to clown. They just kinda confirmed koichi in the process and then had to gamble n2.

Why would they think this?

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Kagerou' Katchup Kingdom

Method 0 - Seeing Flipped Scum

If Flipped Scum have a readwall, this is golden to compare to the gamestate at the time it's made. (See the link to the readwall)

Eternity also tried to flip Koichi at least twice which strongly suggests that Koichi was on the right track and needed to be silenced.

Method 1

Step 1: Determine the gamestate

EoD 1: Scum wagons have little to no traction.
Conclusion: Town aren't unified and we've likely devolved into camps. Scum have no need to distance or bus.

Step 2: Compare Nightkill Victim Read

This is why I asked Koichi to grab their? read. Dai - ? - ? was their EoD read.

Dai was also in Eternity's wall as a "compromise" slot.

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

@koichi

I am Reisen udongein inaba

I have

Lunatic Gaze "Illusion Seeker"
Like Tenshi I’ll push actions on my target back to the next phase

And

"Lunatic Red Eyes"
I make someone go insane and their actions will self target that night

My active is mega phone shaped handgun and it will shut down a pt until the following day after its use

My passives are lunar refugee (ascetic) and esp waves. I send out waves and if they get picked up a hood gets made with anyone else that has moon ties. Which ended up just being other bunnies.

Can you clarify what you have done?

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

As for Day 2, there was little change and Clownpiece died. So we look at Clownpiece reads.

4080, kill Yuuma (who never engaged in my reads but tried to muddy them) and Dai.

When the night 1 and night 2 victim say kill someone before they die, you kill someone.

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Rei, vote Dai with me. I am very very sure of a scumflip there unless someone has mechanical information.

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Dunno, comprehension is not my forte.

We'd make a horrible and funny team. Selective reading and logically chaotic thinking are my forte.

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Kaguya do you have a timeline of people that claimed roleblocked?

Nope. Haven't cared but can't hurt.

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Kaguya do you have a timeline of people that claimed roleblocked?

N1:
Aya gets Burglarized causing her Combined Watcher PT Cop Active to fail
Sanae gets Spellcard Blocked but her Active goes through
Marisa targets Dai with a Passive Disable which Dai redirects to Kagerou

N2 I don't remember anyone claiming roleblocked

Adds to mound of evidence.

I'm going to have to wall aren't I...even though I don't have an iron clad case on Dai's partner.

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

I wish I knew your main to tailor the bricks but I guess its wall time.

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Well here's the thing. I don't care who someone is precisely. I care more about how people think. Anyway, excuse me, I have a brief memorandum to write to summarize my chaotic thinking into a more linear format in order to save time. I don't like doing this as it gives scum a place to hide arguing more that my methodology is problematic to steer away from the conclusions.

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Notice and Premise

I will not and never intended to read this thread chronologically. I am treating this thread like writing a biography or a story. Not every quotation is relevant to determine a story. A movie doesn't contain every quote ever said because they aren't relevant to telling the story. I'm looking for that story. The best way to find that story is to postulate what that story is. Others will provide additional data points to that summary. Non-linear thinking prevents people, both town and scum, from fitting facts to stories. Stories must fit facts and you've seen that adaptation as I proceed.

Also, I am using they/them pronouns for all slots unless otherwise specified. If it has been left out or I fucked up, please don't hesitate to correct it.

If there's an incorrect premise, please state it. Arguing about my methodology is a quick way for me to vig you (if I have a vig shot).

In order to read the thread, we must filter through the 4 to 5 thousand posts. To make an impact fast, the first question is...what is important? The goal is to theorize who scum is by finding what they are doing in the thread. The flips are important and the wagons are too. For purposes of this discussion, I am treating Aya and Koishi as flipped town. While there is the esoteric scenario that they deliberately shot their own partner to confirm themselves, it's straight up not worth entertaining as there's only two people who MIGHT consider that and they'd never do that night one.

Let's start with the flipped scum. I've selected what I feel are the two most important moments in Eternity's ISO. Their read wall and their push on Koishi. I will table the latter for a moment.

Eternity's readwall is in 1014. We're looking for two partners in this post. A basic analysis goes for a rule of three. Namely, that if there's three or more names that a scum is usually mentioned. However, Eternity doesn't seem to follow this pattern. In fact, why would they? Breaking that pattern makes it easier to hide their partners. The readwall is strategic. All of day 1 was shopping for wagons. Almost every wagon, if not every wagon, was on town. So why would Eternity even suggest to be open to a scum partner? They wouldn't. They wouldn't put both partners in the compromise zone, so one of Dai and Kaguya is scum. The remainder is in the top half. Clown Sanae and Irchin are all flipped. That leaves Yuuka or Marisa. Either of them could be scum and it's a situation worth sorting tomorrow. Today is Dai.

The second part is the push on Koishi. Eternity is consistently pushing on Koishi the entire time and Koishi winds up shot. That does NOT read like a consensus read being shot or intending to shoot Clown but bodyguard or mechanics. (I'll note 1183 for later). Koishi (from my selective read) has consistently gone after Dai even if their vote pattern doesn't match. 2968 has Koishi stating correctly that both D1 EoD wagons are on town. The team is Dai plus two.

When my slot had the biggest wagon on it, "I" was pushing Dai and Eternity was the third vote see VC 1.04.

Now, we turn to day 2. It was a rushed day so the VCs are not as helpful. However, Clown being shot is helpful. We turn to Clown's reads. Clown left us reads in 4080. Clown still scumreads Dai but says that overall Dai is still scum. Clown also scumreads Yuuka if Sanae flipped town. Yuuka is a scumread from Eternity's readwall.

That leaves Dai and Yuuka to vote.


Also telling that when repeatedly asked to engage with my theories, Yuuka sidestepped them.

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Now I'm going to readwall Eternity's comments on Dai

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

I lied. I'm doing Dai/Yuuka scumtheory. All in. Let's fucking go! Tunnels are infrastructure!

40 - Rule of three, Yuuka. Town promotion. Free pass for Dai but distance.
144 - Overexplained not serious vote that can be moved at any time.
154 - Random explaination of over explanation
180 - Other than my slot, Eternity TRs all the "active" players. (Who precisely that means is not relevant. It's relevant I am not on it.)
196 - Larva buddies Marisa who is expressing TRs of my slot and Kochi because we both townread them. This is inconsistent. Eternity should be focused on limming my slot if I was bad, but Larva is more focused on getting townreads. This is less likely S v S interaction.
285 - Eternity walks back read on Dai.
295 - Eternity objects to Koishi's questions as egging the thread on in 266 and 270. This is a misinterpretation of Koishi's posts designed to draw people to pity Irchin but ignore the actual arguments (namely that Lava is scum).
296 - Random distancing post of Yuuka
304 - Rule of three with Yuuka and random push on Koishi.
308 - Defense of Yuuka with no real question or substance.
388 - Jumps onto my slot while talking out of both sides of their mouth on Dai.
816 - Reisen being weirdly written off comment meants that Reisen and Eternity are not likely S v S.
844 - Trying to provoke my slot into a T v T fight with Clown.
857 - Not likely S v S with Marisa.
890 - Wants more momentum despite never townreading Dai.
1014 - Everyone should look at the readwall. There is NO justification for Yuuka being placed that high.
1683 - Eternity continues to object to my slot's push on Dai.
1684 - Another negative post about Yuuka, but Yuuka is in the don't touch pile. Beats me from this ISO
1769 - Condense on Koishi and my slot. Both push Dai.
1808 Yuuka is confusing.
1933 Encouragement to end the day.
1970 Attempt to swing to Koishi.
2065 Wants to try and get Koishi's target. What good motivation is there in this?
2384 Attempt to bully Aya onto me.
2420 Don't pivot as day's efforts would be wasted. Every single wagon at three or more was on town.


Ok I have to stop here. Reality. But you get the idea.

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

BTW, out of curiosity, did you agree or disagree with your predecessor's read of Tenshi before you read the flip? Or did you read flips before?

First thing I read are flips. I rarely even read my own ISO unless something triggers it.

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

5386 is dismissable. I cast 2 spells at night. Hood check and theft of object.

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Koishi what is the VC

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

What's yours?

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

What's yours?

I have 900 posts.
I keep repeating and repeating and slowly changing my reads from post to post and reread to reread.

The reasoning for Dai and I to be scum though doesn’t make sense on any level. It’s a *really* bad team proposal.

Why does it not make sense? Why not just say the names? If I am your big scumread, then why are you doing nothing to push it?

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

What does anything about that have to do with my case? How does that find scum?

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

What does anything about that have to do with my case? How does that find scum?

You’ll have to forgive me, I know the case is wrong so I dismissed it out of hand. Does it seem like I does it seem like I feel threatened and you solved the puzzle? Am I just flailing here?

I'd like to see you do something other than wallow and cry.

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

If pissing you off enables you to say someone's scum and why, then I guess it should help. Like I'm practically telling you what I need to hear to reconsider.

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Clown left us reads in 4080. Clown still scumreads Dai but says that overall Dai is still scum.

Daiyousei -

I actually liked Daiyousei's D2

. It's probably not enough in the long term but

I want to say these are villager made posts > wolf ones

?????

Emphasis in wrong place. "Not enough in the long run" = scumread.

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Clown left us reads in 4080. Clown still scumreads Dai but says that overall Dai is still scum.

Daiyousei -

I actually liked Daiyousei's D2

. It's probably not enough in the long term but

I want to say these are villager made posts > wolf ones

?????

Emphasis in wrong place. "Not enough in the long run" = scumread.

So your theory is that Mafia Dai chose to NK someone whose opinion on her improved from Day 1 to Day 2?

Yes. It was still an SR and Yuuka was an SR too.

What are your reads?

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

I’m still at those three. What they’ve, Kagerou, has specifically done since they replaced in bothers me, but not on the activity side of things, they’re a replacement. There is going to be significant variance.

Their “I gave them a chance, but alas, they dodged, sure they’ve made a duck load of posts with a bunch of positions, but they just wouldn’t directly talk to me about it. And as I hopefully pointed out, my style is to interact with people, therefore I am consistent because I said I wouldn’t really generate reads based off of history”

Then they proceeded to, I think make a history/context heavy case on Dai and I as the team. I really haven’t read it. But it sounds like it got into the weeds. So,
That’s weird and not consistent, but I mean, they were just giving me a primer on how they operate and I don’t think I’d really expect all their quirks, contradictions and behaviors to be nearly summarized like that.

But they gave themselves cover with it. ~.~

This is an awkward twist worthy of a medal. I am not reading every post, but that doesn't mean I don't value past events. I open myself up to challenge as a way to prevent tunneling. I'm not aimlessly searching through posts and imposing my thought train on every single one. If I search, I look for a question to be answered. It's real easy to just get into a tunnel and not listen to a player because they are scum and it doesn't fit into a worldview.

Giving you a roadmap on how to talk to me is somehow evil?

Am I supposed to just magically divine reads in a vacuum?

If you are seeing something no one else sees, I'd like to hear it.

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Don't mistake me as virtue signaling nonsense. I'm not a saint. I just want to get inside your head. I want to understand the route you are taking in an efficient matter. Mafia is like 15 people driving a clown car competing between two or more destinations. We gradually throw people out until we find a way. I'm wanting to understand how you're jerking the car to confirm or dispel my suspicions you're driving us to mafia headquarters.

The difference is what people do with the questions. If you can't give me guideposts, then I don't really care if I'm wrong.

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Is a combination of no lim and:
Reisen uses Illusion Seeker on Koishi
Koishi Bodyguards Aya
Aya watches Marisa
Marisa uses guilty generator
optimal?

If Koishi/Aya gets shot Reisen delays Koishi's death until the next night
If Marisa gets shot Aya sees the kill
If Marisa survives the guilty generator gets used
Both conftown always survive until tomorrow, and the number of mislims available stays the same

Why can't we lim and have the same pattern as long as we don't lim Reisen or Marisa?

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

1f1?