UNVOTE:In post 567, schadd_ wrote: Doctor Drew replaces Ausuka
I may or may not catch up tonight
But anyone here with a tl;dr?
UNVOTE:In post 567, schadd_ wrote: Doctor Drew replaces Ausuka
Aureal would really hate if you confused me with her hahaIn post 530, Psyche wrote: aureal ausuka aureal ausuka aureal ausuka there now ill never make that mistake again
I will admit I really haven't looked at Robert yet, but nothing jumped out from the last 5 pages or so I read about HPE(Well from page 19 on, just before it repped in)
This seems like a weird thing to say though considering there have been two townie deathsIn post 572, Psyche wrote: honestly, we have one more free mislim so i'm pretty sure the game is solved. or at least it would be if i could control every lim.
Like this was literally the first post on page 19, I can see how you think they would be scum together.....but seems to obvious of a defense from Gyp, no?In post 450, Gypyx wrote:In post 82, Snow2697 wrote: Gypyx claims that she has solved the game.
Klick is about to do the same.
Is it too early for town player? If yes, everyone will solve it too.In post 385, Snow2697 wrote: Is this a hammer?
to give out more than just me declaring my general vibes on snow, i feel like he rarely makes this first post as scum where my solve is on 2 townies (cakez flipped town and i've gotten around to view psyche as one of my stronger townreads)
this last one is also absolutely going to be asked in the scum PT rather than in the main thread in a world where snow is scum imo
Why aren't you voting HPE then?In post 575, Psyche wrote: is still possible!
but a gypx/robert pairing is possible too, as well as snow/robert (wow!)
ive ruled out everyone else
I agree, quite the downgradeIn post 580, HighPrincessErinys wrote: also damn ausuka got replaced, rip
In post 598, HighPrincessErinys wrote: snow flipping scum might resolve PC, also. So yeah, let's see this guy flipped today, please.
You don't think they are the same alignment? Or that they are probably not scum togetherIn post 599, HighPrincessErinys wrote:Seeing PC's naked votes, even including against snow, don't exactly spark joy even with this in mind, but we'll see.In post 598, HighPrincessErinys wrote: snow flipping scum might resolve PC, also. So yeah, let's see this guy flipped today, please.
I remember when you basically called me out as scum on your first post one time, so if you are wrong I still think you ain't too bad.In post 606, Psyche wrote: oh how embarrassed ill be if it turns out im wrong about pc
Honestly, I would be shocked if HPE isn't townIn post 612, Psyche wrote: i will now go through the trouble of summarizing my towncase for PC in a single, decently formatted post
if my confidence in this towncase can be broken in a way that makes snowscum way less likely, i'll push off
otherwise i'll spend the rest of the day trying to form a town bloc with drew and (???) T3
You, and maybe GypIn post 614, Psyche wrote: can you list out all your "i would be shocked if" takes
In post 628, Snow2697 wrote:I certainly have a choice. And I made it.In post 627, HighPrincessErinys wrote:Honey, we're 7 hours to deadline and you're E-1, idk if you have aIn post 626, Snow2697 wrote: And no, I won't claim.choiceon that one.
And when I am mislimmed, town will have a choice of how to treat those who voted me, including you. Hope town will make a correct one.
Psyche, your whole solve is fighting each other.....is it weird if I think they are all town because of it?In post 630, Gypyx wrote: Plurality lim anyways so we aren't actually needing to hammer but like, i urge y'all to look at HPE
I don't think it is you or HPE, outside of that not sureIn post 638, Psyche wrote: give me your alternative solve
I am not sure I understand exactly what you mean hereIn post 640, Psyche wrote: if we lim PC is the correct solve clear no matter the result? if the answer is yes i'll move
Lol, forgot about him tbhIn post 642, Psyche wrote: sure wish T3 were paying attention to this game. the lock on me for the whole day is so unreasonable
I almost feel Snow flipping scum makes Gyp look better, I don't see scum defending their buddy this aggressively.In post 645, Psyche wrote: part of me would rather do gypx today but...id rather have the more active slots alive until forced by poe
I don't want to move to HPEIn post 649, Psyche wrote: but i dont really see a convincing solve that includes HPE and imo gypx's towncase on snow was a forced move that could turn out to have good equity for her in a gypx/snow pairing anyway
As a team?In post 671, Psyche wrote: i can't quite rule out robert/hpe/pc
Quit school and become a full time mafia playerIn post 684, Psyche wrote: how is it that i can write so much in threads like these but struggle most days to draft even a sentence toward my thesis
I am starting to warm up to the idea of PC here, especially since I don't think you are scum, and don't think I could see myself voting Psyche at allIn post 695, HighPrincessErinys wrote: This one doesn't super think Gypyx is scum exactly, but PC just being completely absent really sucks and it's hard not to think scum is sitting back and relaxing as they get handed the win or whatever.
Lol, if he is than like I said before, well played GGIn post 696, HighPrincessErinys wrote: Here's a tinfoil hat for you: scum!Psyche doing the heavy lifting and PC taking a load off and doing nothing but nakedvoting because his partner is universally townread. Eh, eh?
Yes, you are who I quoted lolIn post 711, HighPrincessErinys wrote:Mine?In post 710, Doctor Drew wrote: Also, was your whole read on Gyp dependant on Snow being scum?
I also was asleep, and then at work.....what is your point here?In post 779, HighPrincessErinys wrote:this one has no idea what the fuck is going on is whyIn post 764, Gypyx wrote: (btw this is my moment to point out how absolutely no one else has said anything since your vote, woah, crazy, weird)
Well hopefully PC shows up and we can continue the claims, then go from there.In post 784, Psyche wrote: drew
where do we go from here?
what's up for discussion?
what's not up for discussion?
It is more I don't see HPE as scumIn post 786, Psyche wrote: pc scum implies gypyx scum
considering their trajectories/votes this game, can you really see them being scum together?
Touche......but you should know commiting to a scum team before a scum flip can be a fools game.In post 788, Psyche wrote: ok but can you weigh the question
Of course I think it is believable, I know what you are saying.....but would you really town lock one if the other flips scum?In post 791, Psyche wrote: unfortunately, townreading me and hpe already does commit you to a scumteam before a scumflip
anyway it sounds like you opting not to consider the question of whether it's believable that gypyx and pc can be a pair
What do you mean by open?In post 794, Psyche wrote: bah
i guess this ends with us compromising on gypyx
pc sure seemed open the last time i checked
(but nah nothing to read into that)
Ahh gotcha, I am headed home now.....when I get to my laptop I will look back at that.In post 796, Psyche wrote: yesterday i put snow and gypyx on the table as the two lims i was considering committing to for a lim. immediately after that, pc voted gypyx, encouraging me to take that fork in the road.
Can you link me the post? Or roughly where this all went downIn post 796, Psyche wrote: yesterday i put snow and gypyx on the table as the two lims i was considering committing to for a lim. immediately after that, pc voted gypyx, encouraging me to take that fork in the road.
Yes I read that, I keep saying you are doing the heavy lifting here, I would say you are overthinking everything and not just finding who you think about who is scum right now though(you have to consider that your read is wrong re: gyp and PC as a team), and if they are scum go from there. Like we disagree on HPE, but I also said I would trust there if you really think they are more likely scum then Gyp and PC(who I would rather lim here).In post 803, Psyche wrote: i wrote 675/676 almost just for you drew and your 800 slips that you didn't even skim it i am at the end of my rope
In post 576, Doctor Drew wrote:Why aren't you voting HPE then?In post 575, Psyche wrote: is still possible!
but a gypx/robert pairing is possible too, as well as snow/robert (wow!)
ive ruled out everyone else
In post 577, Psyche wrote: im a coward
Ok went back, I think I am just after what you were talking about Psyche, but I still don't get fully why you can't believe that Gyp/PC isn't possible. Like look at this series of posts which were basically all back to back.
I don't like repping into slots that are widely town read, I like the heat and playing the game, I tend to be much more passive in a game where it happens like this.In post 811, HighPrincessErinys wrote:kinda true this one thinks a scum!drew could be coasting by on vibes and the heavy-lifting of ausukaIn post 810, Psyche wrote: it weren't for ausuka i'd suspect you over it
In post 814, Psyche wrote: i voted gypyx because she's scum
i think you're wrong about pc/hpe
and i don't really understand the point of quoting those posts; they aren't relevant to my stances
In post 815, Psyche wrote: my iso is full of reasons i think gypyx is scummy.....
Yes I know you have been calling Gyp scum, we have talked about that many times.In post 816, Psyche wrote: just to reiterate: why does pc sheeping me on snow say anything about his relationship with gypyx?
Tbf, I went through your ISO and PC's ISO roughly around the time I repped in, then just read through the early 20s(pages I mean), where is saw the series on votes I quotedIn post 819, Psyche wrote: pc trusts me is why he sheeped me with snow. he was convinced of my poe to hpe/snow/gypyx the same i was. in general (across games), he often sheeps people he trusts instead of playing the game. also, when he did try to opt for gypyx to be limmed in 550-ish (i think), i declined it.
he has plenty of other posts that convince that his willingness to lim gypyx. and gypyx in fact has manymoreposts that convince that she wanted pc dead.
in fact, in the wallpost i whined about you not reading, i said that the best evidence against gypyx/pc was in gypyx's iso, not pc's.
Well you just decided my dinner for me lolIn post 828, HighPrincessErinys wrote:Tomorrow is free pizza day at the library so it should be a good day to take my laptop and review. You probably mean like the actual in-game day but still.In post 826, Psyche wrote: ill just keep beating the "it can't be gypyx/pc" drum until we're ready for gypyx i guess. on you what happens tomorrow
In post 832, HighPrincessErinys wrote: Psyche, can you put a pin in (read: link me) the posts you really want me to read? This one'll get to them today or tomorrow, promise.
You said Gyp's iso has all I need to know about why she and PC aren't buddiesIn post 831, Psyche wrote: problem is that iso isn't great for tracking context
idk how id decide if a vote really wanted a slot dead if i were in an iso
Again, looking at Gyp's iso I don't see anything that disqualifies a gyp/PC scum team.In post 837, Psyche wrote: mobile-friendly cases sounds like the next trick i should try to learn
Psyche commented on it, but what are your opinions on my take about the voting pattern I pointed out yesterday? And why it still makes a gyp/PC team possibleIn post 937, HighPrincessErinys wrote:In all honesty Psyche's reasons for townreading Drewsuka seem overall pretty good but like this one's said before alot of it is perhaps Drew using Ausuka's strong posting as a smokescreen. Like his vibes are good but this one doesn't think his content is as good. Would need to properly check in on that idea, though.In post 932, the worst wrote:This isn't scepticism btw I genuinely feel like I need a check on Psyche & drewsuka. there's this like kinda simplistic world where the scumteam is you/gypyx and that's right some of the time but if it's not right this time I kind of need to check myself.In post 930, the worst wrote:My d1 reads are usually not fantastic but like dang that would make me so sadIn post 924, HighPrincessErinys wrote:psyche/drewIn post 922, the worst wrote:just having reads on slots isn't going to help anymore - town need to find pairs of two players who can be scum together to eliminate to win the game.In post 919, HighPrincessErinys wrote:This is a real bitch of a question to answer because you and gypyx is unlikely, but then that leaves only me and gypyx or gypyx and The Other Consensusly Townread Slots. like. yikes.In post 909, the worst wrote:which scum teams do you see as viable?In post 907, HighPrincessErinys wrote: as someone who knows that we lose if its voted out today, we should probably kersplode gypyx
shrugs the mightiest shrug of all time
Is there anything about Psyche & drew that seems like, aligned or specifically working to get each other to a winning endgame, from your pov?
Psyche's d1 is mostly pretty solid but it gets content and I do see a world where scum views that hammer as a considered necessity. I also trust Psyche to know Psyche well enough to know whether the hammer is redeemable or not.
Ausuka's handling of d1 wagons feels really pure - I liked her play around Deus like, a lot. I like the way she approached Cakez and in broad strokes I tended to either agree with or at least vibe with most of her reads. She was also just really low presence by the end of d1 so I probably need to see more from her/drew on d1 to feel like, phenomenally confident.
I have been at work, but skimmed today's posting and your catchupIn post 944, the worst wrote:I generally think it's pretty hard to fake an authentic seeming read on someone you know that you're scum with, so I'd probably in the abstract call that a point against an ausuka/psyche scumteam. Its also a little hard to fake authentic sounding reads as scum but it's obviously a skill that you'd want to develop so I think I'd call it a point against psyche being scum tooIn post 942, HighPrincessErinys wrote:Yeah.In post 938, the worst wrote: Potentially. The other voice in my head is like "what if psyche just townreads ausuka". Do you think psyche's reasoning feels pretty believable and authentic overall?
I do not understand his stating that he wants to be shown that he could be wrong, yet when presented with how he could be wrong.....just poo poo's itIn post 948, HighPrincessErinys wrote:Saw this but never for longer than 2 seconds. Fairly insightful post, it's just hard to put a whole lot of stock into PC considering he was already in his disappearing phase by then. That Snow vote was his last post, after all. The main takeaway this one has is that Psyche has had a weird half-committed scumread of convenience on me a for while it seems like. "Of convenience" referring to the being in his solves thing, but he never seems to act on it, which is... kinda weird, especially in D2 when the circumstances were a bit less MeLo. Not that this one minds being alive of course.In post 946, Doctor Drew wrote: Psyche commented on it, but what are your opinions on my take about the voting pattern I pointed out yesterday? And why it still makes a gyp/PC team possible
Gyp's last post did have a bit of a 'giving up' vibeIn post 982, Psyche wrote: how about let's just mindmeld and see how that goes. are we agreed about gypyx at least?
Sorry, but not really lolIn post 986, the worst wrote: Drew had better townread me my heart is on my sleeve rn
Me personally, I like the low info kills like T3 kind of was, so not really shocked. Also if you are correct on Gyp, killing you would seem to implicate her the most I would think.In post 993, Psyche wrote: how much weight should we put on the fact that scum killed T3 and not me? seems a little odd if i held the solve, am easy to townread, and honestly can't help but try to control every day no matter how bad my reads are
Why?In post 995, Psyche wrote: ugghh. i really have a hard time believing you have these reads drew!
talk to me. what's so town about HPE? at least quote a post you're blown away by
In post 625, HighPrincessErinys wrote: Snow, do you actually have any real input on your voters? Anything you'd like to share with the class? A claim, perhaps?
In post 627, HighPrincessErinys wrote:Honey, we're 7 hours to deadline and you're E-1, idk if you have aIn post 626, Snow2697 wrote: And no, I won't claim.choiceon that one.
In post 653, HighPrincessErinys wrote: This one is prettttttttty confident in Snow flipping scum here. As weird and perhaps towntell-y as not claiming and just trying to shrug off the wagon is, Snow is pretty new and hasn't been around all that much this game, it's possible he's just been floundering and didn't have anything to challenge or redirect the wagon with.
Sorry was of few posts basically right in a row at EOD yesterDay.In post 654, HighPrincessErinys wrote: Think tomorrow we need to hit T3 with a baseball bat until he shows up again. Or maybe get PC to talk instead of nakedvote. We're really just working on the info of like 3 or 4 players now.
I think I said as much, and I am probably not helping lol, but I think you are overthinking it.In post 1011, Psyche wrote: lol id rather drew be scum at this point. so inconvenient
I definitely would have been on board with thisIn post 1013, Psyche wrote: we wouldve limmed you before replacement if it was me/drew
If it is correct, I expect a formal written apology on my desk as soon as the game ends...lolIn post 1020, Psyche wrote: pc/gypyx is a solve until you read their isos
Haha, what a great callbackIn post 1023, Psyche wrote:sure! your desk at the chicago law officeIn post 1022, Doctor Drew wrote:If it is correct, I expect a formal written apology on my desk as soon as the game ends...lolIn post 1020, Psyche wrote: pc/gypyx is a solve until you read their isos
How much pressure was PC in when these posts were made?In post 1024, the worst wrote:In post 435, Gypyx wrote: Snow is obviously struggling but i kinda like where his head's at in a general sense, there's also a few smaller towntells here and there
actually it's PC who i'm getting my eye on right now (as well as robert but this read is getting a bit stale)
PC seems very complaceant and happy to keep the game in it's state of semi-stagnation, the insistance on Psyche and the cakez post for instance really feels like willingly going down a dead endIn post 443, Gypyx wrote: btw what makes you reject a robert / PC pairing? that's the conclusion i'm getting at but it's more based on PoE than anything reallyIn post 518, Gypyx wrote:need to think over that but i guess even if it was true it would not make me fully give up on scum PCIn post 516, Psyche wrote: still think PC-scum is hard to fit in with other possible scumreads
don't really see people weighing that sufficiently, and his play is not sufficiently scummy on its own to justify thatIn post 590, Gypyx wrote: it was me !
To be fair like, i'm not fully convinced in my towncase myself, it's more of a 20% scum read (default would be 40% in our context) but i'd really be happier if we tried PC / HPEIn post 687, Gypyx wrote: leaning towards PC / HPE (especially considering how hard it has been to get this pairing over) but i'm not disregarding Drew yet, T3 though i doubt he's scum
it's been gypyx's sole mission in life to make PC nervous sweat as much as possible drew can you please re-evaluate how much you think me/gypyx is actually the scumteam?
Haha, I will always have my homies backIn post 1045, Psyche wrote: you don't understand, drew.thisone is personal. i beat gypyx in a melo scenario as scum in a recent game. she wants revenge. we can't give her that. i'm too innocent to experience the taste of revenge. please
Well ok, no pressure I guess lolIn post 1050, Psyche wrote: Okay. Drew. I'm thinking of doing this wagon with the worst. if you ask me not to, I won't.
But if I do, then this will quickly test your theory that worst is scum -- but by risking the game.
Her teammate (gypyx) will swoop in and hammer HPE and the game will be over.
She definitely is the scum MVPIn post 1085, Psyche wrote: gosh ausuka is so smooth
Definitely parroting what worst said, I felt really bad how you were putting in so much work, only to get deceived at the end of the gameIn post 1091, Psyche wrote: honestly felt pretty alone past d1
but in the end i accepted the challenge and then failed