TemporalLich's Grandest Idea uPick [Game Over]

[DragonEater70]

Scumread: patchwork

For not posting within a millisecond of the game starting.

Everyone knows this is a scumtell for Patch.

[DragonEater70]

i would like to propose we all share the picks we did not get, I got my town pick, here are my picks:

Mafia: Goon(of an arbitrary faction) post 2180

Free: 10,000, post 10000

Mod Discretion: Alien Vote Donator, post 2367

I used a randomizer to choose roles so my town role may or may not be garbage too

Why would you pick goon?

[DragonEater70]

I didn't receive my Alien Guesser so that makes me suspwct that there is a low probability of groupscum being aliens.

[DragonEater70]

I'm guessing y'all can guess what we got now.
Because it ain't Conditionally Deathproof Innocent Doctor.
~RH

Ahhh... VIP?

[DragonEater70]

Or groupscum

Who knows

[DragonEater70]

VOTE: RatH9

[DragonEater70]

Players may sacrifice themselves to the Guardian Deity of Cops during the night. Everyone has gained the Sacrifice global ability.

Global ability:

• During the night, you may sacrifice yourself to the Guardian Deity of Cops to provide the Guardian Deity of Cops one Offering. If you sacrifice yourself to the Guardian Deity of Cops, you will unavoidably die.

Btw this is interesting. Do you think instead of limming we should force players to sacrifice themselves or be policy limmed next day?

Assuming that the deity of cops is town aligned.

[DragonEater70]

Yeah okay, maybe in addition to a lim?

I'll look at the GIM thread later to verify this is actually a town role.

[DragonEater70]

Well better question

Why would you randomize choices?

[DragonEater70]

Okay so apparently the deity of cops can be literally any alignment so nvm about that until we confirm it's town

[DragonEater70]

i would like to propose we all share the picks we did not get

Groupscum: Snake
Free Space: Heckin Snek
Mod Discretion: Snake Oil Survivor

Do those actually exist???

[DragonEater70]

Okay can we do it so everyone who claims a role actually links the GIM post?

I'll start

[DragonEater70]

The three I didn't get were:
Copycat

Alien Guesser

Broken Serial Killer

[DragonEater70]

Hi CCS, I picked your Serial Killer and didn't get it

[DragonEater70]

i would but im lazy
so i got town for my mod disc

my town was toxic slaying mason
my groupscum was cult black goo [no shit i didnt get this]
my free space was jester guilty child

Damn yoyr town pick sounds awesome

[DragonEater70]

Your*

[DragonEater70]

Okay hot take: no scum has posted here so far

[DragonEater70]

@mod, what happens when someone submits a Third Party role as their Town pick?

I don't think you can

You can only pick town or mod discretion as your town role.

[DragonEater70]

VOTE: Cook

No reason

[DragonEater70]

Hey hey, will read and comment soon, just wana make my presence known

Also

VOTE: bbmola

Hey, been a while

Am I delusional or are you voting someone not on the playerlist?

[DragonEater70]

Guys can we like do some voting and scumhunting rather than fluffing around?

Like if you all want fluffing I will enter full fluff mode but I much rather be done with RVS right about now.

(I predict that someone will say "well you haven't done any voting and scumhunting" and I will point you to posts 41 (well technically it's townhunting) and 53)

[DragonEater70]

Uhhh
Please don’t kill me?

Nobody even mentioned killing you?

[DragonEater70]

IAVH can you make a semi-serious vote on someone?

[DragonEater70]

Woooo

Elaborate please

[DragonEater70]

I'd also like to go on record as saying that I do not believe the Guardian Deity to be Town, as there's a pretty obvious game breaking strat with it that I do not believe would have been missed during setup.

-Rat

What's the game breaking strat?

[DragonEater70]

Seems an odd role to pick for Mafia, also only claiming the one failed pick instead of all three.

It's all very blatant, which makes me think either Jester or scum pretending to be Jester. Either way, don't want 'im hanging around.

-Rat

What if Game Ending Jester? Also IDK if non-ending jester is a good Day 1 lim.

Hey hey, will read and comment soon, just wana make my presence known

Also

VOTE: bbmola

Hey, been a while

Am I delusional or are you voting someone not on the playerlist?

BBMolla is the creator of the Grand Idea Thread. It is a joke vote. Probably. Wouldn't be surprised if there's a role or two in there that allow for such an elimination, but I doubt we're actually looking at one as of now.

-Rat

Fair

IAVH can you make a semi-serious vote on someone?

VOTE: itinerants
OMGUS
my other picks were 16y/o
nd the flying pumpkin that shoots laser beams out of its ass

What's the 16y/o
Also I can believe iavh picking the pumpkin
Also OMGUSing is so bad
VOTE: IAVH

hi iavh its a pleasure to play with you again

VOTE: iavh

pro tip: make your groupscum role an op role so you never get it

Maybe I'm misreading tone, but the tone of this post feels off and possibly artificial?

Snivy can you please post a meme readlist with yourself as scum so I can go back to townbinning you?

I think that just makes you goon if you rill groupscum

I think u is correct.

[DragonEater70]

would it be a good idea to claim authors?

Idk if it would be a good idea but I kinda want to regardless.

[DragonEater70]

Guys can we like do some voting and scumhunting rather than fluffing around?

Spoiler:

Why u make me cry

[DragonEater70]

my roles author is in the game actually lmao

Damn are you a 2 shot 1shotizer?

Jkjk

[DragonEater70]

Something tells me its not me due to all my (town) roles in grandi being pretty bad

town?

I dont imagine you are claiming to be a werewolf

They claimed mod discretion

[DragonEater70]

So they could have picked a WW role and be town

[DragonEater70]

Fuck, am I the top poster? I think I might be top poster.

This ain't gooood

K I'm gonna go silent for the next 3-14 hours in the hopes that more ppl will post.

[DragonEater70]

Snivy can you please post a meme readlist with yourself as scum so I can go back to townbinning you?

{snivy}
{everyone else}
{iavh}
{de70}

Wait am I the scum here?

[DragonEater70]

What did I do to deserve this?

[DragonEater70]

I retract going silent

[DragonEater70]

Snivy can you please post a meme readlist with yourself as scum so I can go back to townbinning you?

{snivy}
{everyone else}
{iavh}
{de70}

Wait am I the scum here?

you said its a meme readlist

the real readlist is almost upside down

So you are scum in your real readlist but town in the meme one?

[DragonEater70]

Spoiler:

the above post is a joke

[DragonEater70]

Weee pagetop

[DragonEater70]

Just type "guardian deity of cops" without quotes into the search box

It's like the only post (except maybe this one) that mentions it.

[DragonEater70]

Yo

Yoo

Are you an Odd Night Roeblocker?

[DragonEater70]

well you.. didn't have to claim but towny ig LOL

Judging by how OP some of those roles are something tells me theres a decent chance you got vanillized (don't answer this!)

and inb4 someone asks, getting people's picks for what they didnt choose has a purpose, I'll explain later but revealing now kinda instructs mafia how to treat this

Koba is scum

Elaborate pls

[DragonEater70]

Yeah I guess you have a point there

Do we flashwagon le Koba?

[DragonEater70]

Guys can we like do some voting and scumhunting rather than fluffing around?

Like if you all want fluffing I will enter full fluff mode but I much rather be done with RVS right about now.

(I predict that someone will say "well you haven't done any voting and scumhunting" and I will point you to posts 41 (well technically it's townhunting) and 53)

You havent done any scum hunting

I agree cause there was no one scummy (IMO) at the point I posted that


Pedit: explain the pun?

[DragonEater70]

Nothing to explain. You have not done scum hunting.

The pedit wasn't aimed at you my dude

[DragonEater70]

And if i may expand, i think you cannot be more obvious scum than what you have been.

I appreciate the compliment

I am conftown btw

[DragonEater70]

It's called crumbing

You are not supposed to point it out like I am doing right now

[DragonEater70]

(I've decided to play chaotic good this game)

[DragonEater70]

Reads as concerned about the game breaking possibility.

That's a stretch

[DragonEater70]

Also I agree with le Snek, I always say things like "let's go out of RVS pls pls"

[DragonEater70]

What is fair about itinerants answer? It;s not like you were gonna scum read him for voting an illegal name. It was obviously a meme, but you brought up like you didnt understand it was a meme which is weird. So what is fair about it?

I didn't understand it was a meme and I thought it was weird. The explanation made sense to me.

[DragonEater70]

Role fishing disguising it as a joke.

Wow, big stretch

Why would I rolefish for an extremely specific role I have 0 reason to believe Snivy has?

[DragonEater70]

As far as I can tell, Dragon absolutely hates the RVS. He tries to force the game pass it everytime.

In all fairness, he is an expert at doing exactly that, towncreed notwithstanding.

That is not what i scum read them for.

I also concur with this btw ^ I personally am also someone who blows past RVS and would not scumread someone for that

You concur with the scumread on me because I am like you? Or what

[DragonEater70]

this on the other hand VOTE: Dragoneater70 (the whole entrance feels stiff regardless)

I would say Koba should know my posting style but actually i don't think they do so I'll just link some town games of mine cause I can:

viewtopic.php?t=90446
viewtopic.php?t=90539
viewtopic.php?t=90766
viewtopic.php?t=90686 (as IceDragon70, surprisingly)
In all the above games my entrance was complete whack, terrible, scummy as fuck and "stiff", according to some fine town players. Yet I was the real deal - Green as a tree (green in the alignment sense not newbie sense).

[DragonEater70]

No I explained that I concur that the reason to scumread you is not because of you pushing out of RVS and explained why I would not use that as a reason

Then what is the reason exactly? That I am stiff?

[DragonEater70]

Look, I am the definition of LAMIST, okay. But that doesn't mean I am not town, because I am town.

[DragonEater70]

LAMIST, look at me, i have so much WIM i gotta be town.

Has nothing to do with WIM I was just bored and actually had someone to interact with

[DragonEater70]

I didnt read the spoiler so i thought you were trying to twist the meme readlist against him. It felt shady and i dont like it that you spoiler that it was a joke because why risk not making it clear it was a joke.

wtf are you on???

It's not "risking not making it clear"
it's "I don't want to spoil the joke"

[DragonEater70]

Honestly this entire scumcase by Guillotina is a perfect scumcase against them because it shows how forced their reads are. 0/10 scumcase

VOTE: Guilo

I also FoS Koba for thinking Guilo is town here despite Guillo's extremely shady reasoning.

You can call this omgus if you want but neither of their reads make any freaking sense and are like 100% scum motivated.

[DragonEater70]

if you are town: this is like >rand town guillo and cases that seem illogical to most people are common for him as town, I have played on and off in several games with guillo since 2020/2021

Could you link an example of such case or point me in the direction of one?

[DragonEater70]

One posts:
Cook
Flavor

Guillotina

You sure about that?

[DragonEater70]

Dragoneater with as many posts as everyone else combined

Yeah that's why I wanted to stop posting but I just can't

I am addicted and this is not a joke

[DragonEater70]

One last post before I go to sleep:

I notice some people SR me for "not scumhunting even though I want people to scumhunt". Which is fair. But I like always focus on townreads early and on scumreads later, it's much easier for me this way. I think most of you who know me would know this is true but I can link various games that demonstrate this if needed. But anyway the point was that I was literally townreading everyone so it didn't make any sense to scumhunt at that point.

[DragonEater70]

Goodnight!

[DragonEater70]

I will be shooting for scum or Dkkoba.

I much rather you shoot for scum (which might be DkKoba but let me first catch up on the last few pages)

[DragonEater70]

Oh no has Flavor Leaf randed town yet again? When are they ever gonna rand scum so I can vote them

[DragonEater70]

I'm not AGAINST a Koba vig, but I'd rather Guillotina or iamveryhangry for the time being.

-Rat

Agreed

[DragonEater70]

mastina’s push on DE

Are we in the same game bro?

[DragonEater70]

nice to take initiative i guess but there’s not really a point since. dragoneater literally posted something not too long ago along the lines of “hot take no one who’s posted is scum”

Well 2 new people posted since I said everyone was town and I thought one of them was likely scum

Also, just because I had a hot take doesn't mean it's 100% correct and I wanted to get up engagement

[DragonEater70]

dragon is one who sticks out in my head. i think he’s null more out of unsureness

Your read on me is fake and we both know it

You 100% of games townread me for this playstyle and now you're like "why you doing this thing that you did in every town game I had with you? This is so NAI btw!"

[DragonEater70]

Is Mastina in this game?

Not as far as I can tell?

if i had a nickel for everytime someone acidentally made up a player in the game i'd have 10 cents. which isn't much but pretty surprising it happened twice.

My current readlist:

BBmolla
Flavor Leaf
CCS
all other players
Gullotina
Mastina

[DragonEater70]

oh i thought rh9 claiming all 4 roles instead of the 3 unused was towny not the claim nor was I even aware that rh9 fullclaimed already

Wait have they fullclaimed? Where?

[DragonEater70]

i would like to propose we all share the picks we did not get, I got my town pick, here are my picks:

Mafia: Goon(of an arbitrary faction) post 2180

Free: 10,000, post 10000

Mod Discretion: Alien Vote Donator, post 2367

I used a randomizer to choose roles so my town role may or may not be garbage too

Seems like a good idea.
Our picks were:
Town - Conditionally Deathproof Innocent Doctor
Groupscum - Anomalous Collector
Free Space - Zombie
Mod Discretion - VIP
~RH

You just said you weren't aware they fullclaimed, but this is literally the post you townread them for????

(I thought by "fullclaim" it meant they said which of the 4 they got, which I don't think they disclosed yet)

[DragonEater70]

role madness meta has causal trueclaiming as >>>rand town

That's true though

[DragonEater70]

I shoot on my terms.

Chicken.

Why chickens get day vigs. Boring

It's not chicken, it's rational thinking.

Would you call someone "chicken" for not running into a highway when you tell them to?

Okay I guess some people would call that person chicken, but these people are idiots who are willing to risk their and other people's lives so you really shouldn't copy them

Anyhow I kinda get the sense that Guillotina

could

just be town with terrible reads and off-meta playstyle, but I still think they are much scummier than most players who have posted so far so I don't see any reason to change my vote.

[DragonEater70]

I will continue catching up and maybe change my mind about other players though

[DragonEater70]

have u played with guillo before? He is definitely like a distinct flavor of player (as is obvious from his playstyle exhibited so far) and gets scumread often by people who have not played with him for things that aren't alignment indicative for him.

So I just went and skimmed over Guillotina's ISOs in two completed towngames (1, 2 and I disagree. Yes they are slightly idiosyncratic (aren't we all?) but their playstyle there GREATLY differs from their shitpushing and heavily tunneling that they are exhibiting here.

[DragonEater70]

And on September 16th, we’ll come back to this

I got no interest in making this phase last longer than it needs to.

Prolonging the game creates apathy in town to the point of just settling for anything out of boredom.

The phases are 14 days but we dont have to use them. Dragon is obvious scum, let's yeet them out of existence so we can go on the night to do some spicy actions, i myself cant wait for it.

Geez, yeah no need to make this day phase a month long (please don't modkill me for this) but I think we can afford like at least 7-8 days of discussion before settling on a lim? Like what's the hurry to eliminate so fucking early?

[DragonEater70]

if you are town: this is like >rand town guillo and cases that seem illogical to most people are common for him as town, I have played on and off in several games with guillo since 2020/2021

Could you link an example of such case or point me in the direction of one?

@Koba btw would help if you do link this since I get the feeling you are trying to be diplomatic and as you said "explain everyone's idiosyncrasies to each other"

[DragonEater70]

When he did that is when i accused him directly that i believe he was scum and all of that WIM for posting and participation froze right there and then.

I have 0 clue what you're talking about, I didn't freeze at all

I did decide to take a break from the game between post 155 and post 166 because I was tired of being the only one posting (and it's actually sad that there were only 10 posts during this 2 hour break), but I don't feel like I really stopped posting or froze or lost my WIM? Maybe I did become a little defensive but that's like a natural reaction for me when I get shitpushed, because it's important to me to refute the attacks on me.

[DragonEater70]

Honestly I don't feel that how Koba pushed patch is very logical and I know Koba as a logical person so my gut says this is scummy.

[DragonEater70]

Or not pushed but called patch's experience "inconsistent""

Which doesn't really advance the game in any way except as an attempt to trip up patch and make them look scummy

[DragonEater70]

like I mentioned earlier, am a massive mafia tryhard and have over time applied mistakes i have made in games and am significantly more cautious about truly committing to reads. (my external and internal confidence in reads is different often, I will not show my hand fully often in this regard unless I believe I am going to die potentially etc. but generally as a rule my external confidence at EoD is often aligned with my internal confidence, including theoretical worlds I may not currently be pushing)

Also this doesn't sound like town!Koba to me, I feel town!Koba likes to be more bold with their reads.

[DragonEater70]

Pages 13-14 don't feel real to me

Like idk if this makes sense cause obviously they'd been posted, but they kinda feel lacking in real content almost like it's an attempt to inflate the thread rather than actually play the game.

[DragonEater70]

Flavor is town, ZZZX might be town, CCS is prob town and I think Itinerants are also town.

patch idk about, their read on me is clearly fake but at the same time they don't feel scummy.

I still think Guillo and Koba are scum.

Don't have reads on the rest.

[DragonEater70]

like I mentioned earlier, am a massive mafia tryhard and have over time applied mistakes i have made in games and am significantly more cautious about truly committing to reads. (

my external and internal confidence in reads is different often

,

I will not show my hand fully often in this regard

unless I believe I am going to die potentially etc. but generally as a rule my external confidence at EoD is often aligned with my internal confidence, including theoretical worlds I may not currently be pushing)

Also this doesn't sound like town!Koba to me, I feel town!Koba likes to be more bold with their reads.

don't misrep me.

I am not misrepping? I just say how I perceive you

If I'm wrong then I'm wrong, it's my personal perception.

[DragonEater70]

Okay I admit that I probably didn't understand what you were getting at here, do you mind explaining it to me?

regardless i think the point is a little inconsistent in practice and needs more evidence, but is a genuine point against their favor.

[DragonEater70]

Because to me this sounds like you are saying patch is inconsistent and that it's a point against them but maybe I misinterpreted what you said because the grammar is pretty ambiguous in my eyes

[DragonEater70]

i meant that guillo's point is generally accurate in identifying TMI except in cases where someone did what you are claiming you did - I'm pretty obstinate about considering any and all scenarios that may be possible to not be complacent with a read just because its "likely".

Also here it's like "it's accurate identifying TMI

except

in cases like this one"

So I don't really get if you are calling patch TMI or not and to me this reads as a not-natural way of approaching the slot.

[DragonEater70]

like I mentioned earlier, am a massive mafia tryhard and have over time applied mistakes i have made in games and am significantly more cautious about truly committing to reads. (

my external and internal confidence in reads is different often

,

I will not show my hand fully often in this regard

unless I believe I am going to die potentially etc. but generally as a rule my external confidence at EoD is often aligned with my internal confidence, including theoretical worlds I may not currently be pushing)

Also this doesn't sound like town!Koba to me, I feel town!Koba likes to be more bold with their reads.

don't misrep me.

I am not misrepping? I just say how I perceive you

If I'm wrong then I'm wrong, it's my personal perception.

lol no worries the longer the day goes on the more your little dance and web of lies will get tangled I always win the endurance battle.

I have been bold, you just dislike the boldness is directed towards your slot

crazy how 2 people who scumread you happen to be scum.

I was going to look outside of you bc of my previous reasons but you pissed me off so! L bozo

lol no

I dislike Guillotina's unsubstanciated claims, and I dislike your reads but more importantly I dislike the fact that you're sheeping/agreeing with Guillo and also your reads don't feel bold enough for me

If you actually went and said "Oh I think this is a scum post by dragon" and gave a fucking good reason rather than "it's stiff" or "you're not in your town meta" (even though I fucking am) then maybe I would townread that

Or better yet, if you actually had a scumread on a scummy person

[DragonEater70]

I have literally made 0 lies this game, please point out any single lie I've made

[DragonEater70]

crazy how 2 people who scumread you happen to be scum.

Is it though? I know your reasoning is BS so it's easier for me to scumread you

[DragonEater70]

I don't find his reads particularly genuine, he feels like a shell of town DE IMO which is kinda typically a scumtell.

I just wanna point out that every single time I was pushed for "not playing according to my town meta" (rather than simply for "scummy play"), I was town and the person doing the push was scum.
And here are the links to the relevant posts to prove it:
Pink Ball pushing me in Team Mafia
usesPython pushing me in Ice and Fire mafia

[DragonEater70]

The three I didn't get were:
Copycat

Alien Guesser

Broken Serial Killer

explain your thought process for picking alien for groupscum

I wanted to have a fun game and assumed a bunch of people will pick unusual group scum? Also I really liked the Guesser part of the role.

[DragonEater70]

Anyway I have other things to do today so I'll be back later on to answer your posts

Bye for now

[DragonEater70]

why do you think u are towny.

I didn't say I was towny, I said the scumread on me is BS

But I would say it's reasonable to assume that I am towny cause I have been townread by quite a few people IIRC?

[DragonEater70]

maybe if you were less focused on trying to smear my slot you'd have seen this on the same page

I am not focused on smearing you, I was only saying YOUR push on ME is bs.

Also, I saw that post but literally have zero clue what it means (I tried to read it and it made no sense to me)

[DragonEater70]

I have literally made 0 lies this game, please point out any single lie I've made

i dont care about how "truthful" someone has been, and in fact "lies" are towny at this stage of the game as scum are looking to come off as clean


you're trying to push that "clean looking" is towny and "weird looking" is scummy and its the level 1 thing that without fail I have seen scum do. Tells are cringe etc. but its a perfectly good thing to latch onto for an early push for me while I wait for lower posting slots to show up and react to this.

idk what's your point then is since you literally called me out for lying like a minute before that post

[DragonEater70]

i guess the latter does imply it is but thats just kinda like my feel and not a major part of my read and kinda manipulation to get ppl to sheep me lol

i do that a lot to get ppl to vote with me and it works shrug.

Honestly

I would sr this post but you would just say I'm quoting it out of context

So can you explain the context here because I have 0 fucking idea what "the latter does it is" refers to.

[DragonEater70]

Does imply it is*

[DragonEater70]

I will say that reading the PB thing that you are much more reactive here than in those town games (i actually completely forgot you were in that TM game bc I barely helped PB there lol)

My dude

Have you even paid attention to the fact I was also reactive in Team Mafia and was town

[DragonEater70]

I will say that reading the PB thing that you are much more reactive here than in those town games (i actually completely forgot you were in that TM game bc I barely helped PB there lol)

why did you have 0 scumreads at the start whereas it seems you do push people from the start? what made you townread every person?

I had 0 scumreads at the start because people's posts seemed townie? Like yeah I'll push people from the start if I find something to push but there wasn't anything push worthy, and people were towny.

TBH I believe that if you are town (which is a possibility) then my initial read that everyone is town was correct sooooo...

[DragonEater70]

You can't both be unhappy with me attacking you and be unhappy with me townreading everyone at the start including you

[DragonEater70]

Koba probably town too

I think they might be

[DragonEater70]

okay, fair, but you still didn't do much scumhunting after that until u got pushed

Well it's hard to do much more scumhunting than vote for each of the two people I scumread, isn't it?

[DragonEater70]

When one made ONE POST and then logged off, and the other made a weird post and then got pushed by me and then voted by me

[DragonEater70]

dragon why do u even scumread koba...

I don't, I just hate their weird fucking push on me, and I replied in a heated manner to the very aggressive push

I scumread Guillo though

[DragonEater70]

Koba, scale of one to ten how confident are you on this Guillotina Town read?

Also answer please. I can guess it's a high number contextually, but I would like to gauge your actual confidence regardless.

-Rat, all of the above. Signing's hard.

They already said 6 I think

[DragonEater70]

Ok this wagon ain't going anywhere

VOTE: Pirate Cookie

[DragonEater70]

(for mod: this is a vote on Cook)

[DragonEater70]

yeah, idk if koba even believes their posts

I think they can't because it's just...

Really???

[DragonEater70]

I shoot on my terms.

Chicken.

Why chickens get day vigs. Boring

It's not chicken, it's rational thinking.

Would you call someone "chicken" for not running into a highway when you tell them to?

Okay I guess some people would call that person chicken, but these people are idiots who are willing to risk their and other people's lives so you really shouldn't copy them

Anyhow I kinda get the sense that Guillotina

could

just be town with terrible reads and off-meta playstyle, but I still think they are much scummier than most players who have posted so far so I don't see any reason to change my vote.

You know what, I am sold.

I will park my vote here for now

VOTE: Guillotina

I will iso Guillotina and have a more concrete readinf later. I will go now and do stuff

VOTE: ZZZX

This is the third scum.

It is not because they voted me. It's because they are

sold

without ISOing me first. It's fabricated.

Who taught these guys how to scum? They need more training.

Im opening up classes post game. $300 for four classes and you will graduate as professional scum players. You dont want to miss out.

Okay this is a possible town post especially since I had had a tiny ping about ZZZX's double sheeping of me but elected to ignore it.

[DragonEater70]

But with Guillo pointing it out I agree ZZZX might be scummy

[DragonEater70]

VOTE: ZZZX

[DragonEater70]

And on September 16th, we’ll come back to this

I got no interest in making this phase last longer than it needs to.

Prolonging the game creates apathy in town to the point of just settling for anything out of boredom.

The phases are 14 days but we dont have to use them. Dragon is obvious scum, let's yeet them out of existence so we can go on the night to do some spicy actions, i myself cant wait for it.

Geez, yeah no need to make this day phase a month long (please don't modkill me for this) but I think we can afford like at least 7-8 days of discussion before settling on a lim? Like what's the hurry to eliminate so fucking early?

I mean you had no problem proposing a koba flash yeet.

I get it, it’s only fine as long as it is not you.

I am still new so maybe my terminology sucks, what I meant by flashwagon was a quick change of wagon, not actually yeeting Koba before the game can play out.

[DragonEater70]

When he did that is when i accused him directly that i believe he was scum and all of that WIM for posting and participation froze right there and then.

I have 0 clue what you're talking about, I didn't freeze at all

I did decide to take a break from the game between post 155 and post 166 because I was tired of being the only one posting (and it's actually sad that there were only 10 posts during this 2 hour break), but I don't feel like I really stopped posting or froze or lost my WIM? Maybe I did become a little defensive but that's like a natural reaction for me when I get shitpushed, because it's important to me to refute the attacks on me.

Sure sure sure

I know when i surprise scum, it is always the same gap of silence.

I thought you were excited to talk to people? Now you say you were tired?
Why were you tired out of the sudden with me? Was it the good sex?

I was excited to talk

Time passed, I became tired.

You know that IRL exists and not everything is related to the game right? I felt I needed to take a break from playing mafia since I was literally logged in for like 2-3 hours in a row at that point.

[DragonEater70]

It’s possible Guillo got into overcompensation scum mode

What do you mean? And what makes you say that?

[DragonEater70]

I’ll flash yeet a Koba IC if people were up for it

Lol

i wouldn’t be down to any flashwagons in the slightest

How unfun of you :p

Yeah, dragon eaters town.

If you think he is town the you are scum with TMI that he is town because there is nothing townie about Dragon.

Jesus fucking christ can you like take a step back from tunneling and maybe have a look at other's people viewpoints? There's like 5-6 people who tr'd me, I don't think ALL OF THEM are scum with TMI.

[DragonEater70]

yeah, idk if koba even believes their posts

Dkkoba is town.

Neither me nor Flavor were disputing that

We just think that Koba is exaggerating reads, it's their own admission that they can do that and do do that.

[DragonEater70]

Ok this wagon ain't going anywhere

VOTE: Pirate Cookie

So i stopped being scum now?

Not necessarily, you could be scum but there's an >20% chance that you are town, and from my experience the only way to break off TvT's of this nature is simply to back off for a bit, assume the other player is town, and then see how the game develops. If the player IS scum you can always go back to scumreading/pushing them later.

[DragonEater70]

guillo why do u scumread me again

I dont remember anymore so i guess i dont anymore.

Townpost btw

[DragonEater70]

SCUM

1 in Dragon/FL
Patch
ZZZX

Is where im at.

Koba disassociated from Dragon

ZZZX/Dragon may be a team (see my vote for ZZZX)

————————————

SPICY WORLD

FL maybe whiteknighting Dragon and DKkoba may be whiteknighting me.
Meaning those two monster players are instigatimg and perpetuating the fight between town Dragon/Guillo

I would believe in this world if Dragon was not so obvious scum.

Spicy world sounds like a fun theory but I'm pretty confident that Flavor is town (though I know Flavor is a strong scum player so maybe I'm wrong)

[DragonEater70]

tentative d1 towncore:
Itinerants
ZZZX
Guillotina
patchwork
camelCasedSnivy
Not_Mafia
iamveryhappy
--
PoE:
Nono
BlueSnakelet
MegAzumarill
Flavor Leaf
Cook
DragonEater70


slackers(non posters):
Arko
Invisibility

Explain your reads on:
Flavor, Not_Mafia, happy

The rest I understand somewhat (from your viewpoint at least) but not these ones.

[DragonEater70]

VOTE: Guillotina

I have my own doubts about DragonEater, the vibes are... definitely not there.

However, Guillotina's shitpushing here is very, very bad. It's not a Town tunnel, and I think that's extremely apparent.

So what's the story there? If you dont like dragon and you dont like me either? What does it mean in terms of reads?

They did say they liked me, just that they have doubts

[DragonEater70]

From my understanding

[DragonEater70]

that may just indicate DE could be town but im heavily doubtful of that and still believe them currently the best flip.

I am town if that helps

[DragonEater70]

Oh shit I just remembered how to multiquote again! Mind blown!

i wouldn’t be down to any flashwagons in the slightest

Why not?

VOTE: MegMarill

first scum identified.

Hmmm I agree that this is a weird ask, I'll keep my eye on meg but don't want to change vote rn.

I don't really at this point, just caught up but don't have things fully compartmentalized. Will have some more sorted thoughts in a few mins hopefully.

Dragon eater I'm mostly neutral about, I feel like its not a great initial push compared to some of the more quiet folk.

CamelCase's claim of author out of the blue feels scum leaning, I feel like scum generally are more incentivized to soft claim that way because a town role either usually doesn't want to draw kill attention or can verify their role through some means on their own.

you can worry about my role later

Why did you feel the need to try and make people worry about it sooner?

you can worry about my role later

This really feels like SvT but if I'm being 100% objective with no confbias then I am not sure meg is the scum here, thought she's like 5% likelier to be the scum anyway.

I disagree about claiming being scummy in role madness, but point taken that the upick format may lend itself to doing that, esp since they claimed mod discretion. I get sorta towny vibes from them outside of that regardless but ofc like endurance is everything when it comes to that.

Agreed.

I disagree about claiming being scummy in role madness, but point taken that the upick format may lend itself to doing that, esp since they claimed mod discretion. I get sorta towny vibes from them outside of that regardless but ofc like endurance is everything when it comes to that.

It being primarily unprompted from what i can tell is what is offputting to me.

Why?

VOTE: ZZZX

Tonally I am not a huge fan here. ZZZ seems fairly passive, and it feels off. Happy if they prove me wrong with further play.

Good vote

VOTE: Guillotina

I have my own doubts about DragonEater, the vibes are... definitely not there.

However, Guillotina's shitpushing here is very, very bad. It's not a Town tunnel, and I think that's extremely apparent.

I agree about the shitpushing not being townie but I want to gove Guillo the benefir of the doubt so I'm taking a break from voting them. Depending on how Day 1 develops I will probably try to wagon them again later on, but who knows? They moght become a townread of mine.

The amount of reaching being done is off the charts here. It doesn't read like the confbias you expect from a Town tunnel, it reads like they're just making shit up to fit a predetermined read.

Actually, now that I say that, maybe Condemner? In which case I actually don't mind helping here as long as it isn't game-ending... I'll dig around in the GIM thread later and decide what I think is most likely.

-Rat

Agreed on first paragraph

So you think I am lying about this being typical for town guillo and within his townrange too?

You're going to get nowhere with that argument as many here know how he is lmao

Nobody is accusing you of lying about that, we're simply disagreeing with you.

Your argument is bad if there is a decent chance you can be wrong due to prior evidence. The point makes no sense with that context, as all you are claiming by pointing out these action to people who know Guillo is that he is being Guillo indicative.
If you are so sure that he is mafia, you can find better than that.

But like if doing scummy things is not scum indicative for Guillo then what is scum indicative for Guillo?

It's like saying I am mafia for lying or being manipulative to get my way - it completely ignores the fact this is something present within both alignments of play.

I think Guillo is town because he does not come off as having TMI, which is my primary way of reading his slot in games.

I don't see how this could work, how would they ever show TMI?

[DragonEater70]

Koba and Guillo - noted about FL

I will read his ISO later.

[DragonEater70]

that may just indicate DE could be town but im heavily doubtful of that and still believe them currently the best flip.

I am town if that helps

oh thank you for claiming town, now i know for sure

That's... Not the reaction I expected.

[DragonEater70]

TOWN

Guillo
Koba
Itinerant

Mixed Feelings

Dragon

SCUM

Flavor
ZZZX

Not that I am comolaining but please ezplain your mixed feelings on me

Also why are you TR'ing Itinerants? Maybe I'm mixing up things but I thought you had SR'd them earlier? Let me go check.

[DragonEater70]

Okay I guess you didn't SR tjem but you did question something they said and I don't fully underatand where the TR comes from sibce there was no earlier indication of a TR.

[DragonEater70]

(like I'm TRing Itinerants myself but I don't feel Guillo's TR makes sense in my mind)

[DragonEater70]

It's like saying I am mafia for lying or being manipulative to get my way - it completely ignores the fact this is something present within both alignments of play.

I think Guillo is town because he does not come off as having TMI, which is my primary way of reading his slot in games.

How do you figure i dont have TMI without you having TMI?

You know, you can make decisions and thoughts from how people react to certain things, showing information, or how a certain few posts are, without needing to read every post they ever wrote in eternity, or knowing all the information,

Such as? (In my case).

To translate, some blind reads with a lot of confidence, reads that go against the common flow without a reason, can be attributed to TMI. I can't say anything specific you did because Koba's entire arguement was about you

not

have one of those instances.

I don't entirely share his view, but am happy to explain

Are you koba?

To be fair you did ask them and not Koba

[DragonEater70]

Guys I swear these typos are not intentional