Eminence in Shadow: Season 1 [Game Over]

Sakura Hana · Post Post #10 (isolation #0) » Thu Dec 21, 2023 6:40 pm

I guess i'll start by
VOTE: jjh

Sakura Hana · Post Post #14 (isolation #1) » Thu Dec 21, 2023 6:48 pm

Btw disclaimer that i know nothing about the flavor

Sakura Hana · Post Post #19 (isolation #2) » Thu Dec 21, 2023 6:54 pm

In post 16, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: pls be my girlfriend

No

Sakura Hana · Post Post #25 (isolation #3) » Thu Dec 21, 2023 7:12 pm

It's only 1st page and 2 people flirting with me already, this is a new record.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #26 (isolation #4) » Thu Dec 21, 2023 7:16 pm

Onto game related things Kage maaaaybe town?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #30 (isolation #5) » Thu Dec 21, 2023 7:19 pm

In post 29, KawaiiKame wrote:
In post 26, Sakura Hana wrote: Onto game related things Kage maaaaybe town?
Why do you see Kage as potential town?

Had the impresion she has having trouble reading pooky

Sakura Hana · Post Post #35 (isolation #6) » Thu Dec 21, 2023 7:21 pm

In post 31, Alisae wrote: this person doesn't play games

???
I'm confused now

Sakura Hana · Post Post #42 (isolation #7) » Thu Dec 21, 2023 7:24 pm

In post 37, Duelist Kage wrote: Aww, did everyone else figure out pooky's alignment already?

Actually i havent as of yet.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #49 (isolation #8) » Thu Dec 21, 2023 7:28 pm

In post 36, Alisae wrote:
In post 35, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 31, Alisae wrote: this person doesn't play games
???
I'm confused now
they join a bunch of games and then flake

Even if this is true, i dont think that warrants a policy lim. If they do flake then we get someone else in the slot.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #51 (isolation #9) » Thu Dec 21, 2023 7:31 pm

In post 50, Duelist Kage wrote:
In post 42, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 37, Duelist Kage wrote: Aww, did everyone else figure out pooky's alignment already?
Actually i havent as of yet.
So... you think it's towny to be having trouble reading pooky one page one because that's where you're at too?

Possibly? Couldn't exactly tell you, but that's what i got from your posts, when i read them, and so my mind went "Well this person seems that's trying to read people so they're probably town"

Sakura Hana · Post Post #55 (isolation #10) » Thu Dec 21, 2023 7:35 pm

In post 53, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: only town have trouble reading me facts

is this true?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #56 (isolation #11) » Thu Dec 21, 2023 7:41 pm

Hmm, you might have a point
VOTE: Gamma
Although it's not exactly related to what you just said but like...

In post 34, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 31, Alisae wrote: VOTE: kawaiikame
this person doesn't play games let's just day 1 hang them and get it over with
good vote

In post 43, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 36, Alisae wrote:
In post 35, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 31, Alisae wrote: this person doesn't play games
???
I'm confused now
they join a bunch of games and then flake
this seems mean

????

Sakura Hana · Post Post #58 (isolation #12) » Thu Dec 21, 2023 7:43 pm

In post 57, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 55, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 53, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: only town have trouble reading me facts
is this true?
...

scum alrdy know im town this is not a multiball game

That's... not what i meant but ok

Sakura Hana · Post Post #59 (isolation #13) » Thu Dec 21, 2023 7:44 pm

I thought it was some meta related thing to you being hard to read.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #71 (isolation #14) » Thu Dec 21, 2023 8:07 pm

In post 69, Dunnstral wrote: I thought you were going to talk about how they talked about mech in their first two posts.

How does that make someone town?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #72 (isolation #15) » Thu Dec 21, 2023 8:10 pm

If any posts should be townread for mech talk should be yours, not Kage's

Sakura Hana · Post Post #98 (isolation #16) » Fri Dec 22, 2023 1:20 am

In post 86, Duelist Kage wrote:
In post 51, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 50, Duelist Kage wrote:
In post 42, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 37, Duelist Kage wrote: Aww, did everyone else figure out pooky's alignment already?
Actually i havent as of yet.
So... you think it's towny to be having trouble reading pooky one page one because that's where you're at too?
Possibly? Couldn't exactly tell you, but that's what i got from your posts, when i read them, and so my mind went "Well this person seems that's trying to read people so they're probably town"
Can you specify what part felt like I was trying to read people?

21 and 24

Sakura Hana · Post Post #119 (isolation #17) » Fri Dec 22, 2023 5:15 am

In post 113, Luka wrote: Sakuras soft defense of the flakes and confusion after they’re voted feels iffy

????

In post 114, Duelist Kage wrote:
In post 98, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 86, Duelist Kage wrote: Can you specify what part felt like I was trying to read people?
21 and 24
That's literally just linking my posts. Please explain your thoughts. In great detail. 10 paragraph minimum, no double-spaced lines.

That's a little too much. I already explained my thought process tho? you literally said that "you had no idea how to handle pooky" and that "you were conflicted"

Sakura Hana · Post Post #121 (isolation #18) » Fri Dec 22, 2023 5:23 am

In post 120, Luka wrote: I also don’t think those statements you linked were ai at all which is weird

Well i dont care if they are AI to you.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #134 (isolation #19) » Fri Dec 22, 2023 5:58 am

In post 126, T3 wrote: were pretty obviously jokes.

Were they?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #136 (isolation #20) » Fri Dec 22, 2023 6:02 am

In post 135, T3 wrote:
In post 134, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 126, T3 wrote: were pretty obviously jokes.
Were they?
Maybe my joke-o-meter or whatever is completely broken but I think that I'm at least partially correct given that Kage never confirmed or denied whether she was joking or not, and her questions about your read on her seemed pointed in a way that implied she wasn't
really
trying to read Pooky.

It's possible i got the wrong impression? sure, did that engagement give me a better read of the slot? also yes.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #138 (isolation #21) » Fri Dec 22, 2023 6:09 am

In post 137, T3 wrote: What read did your engagement give you?

Town

Sakura Hana · Post Post #140 (isolation #22) » Fri Dec 22, 2023 6:11 am

The fact that she didnt instantly vote me for my...

flimsy(?)

reasoning, and instead kept asking me to substantiate my read (even tho i thought i explained it enough) looks like someone wanting to figure out my motives rather than just jumping on it.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #147 (isolation #23) » Fri Dec 22, 2023 6:21 am

>Literally just now posts reasoning why she thinks Kage's town.
>Instead of engaging with my reasoning she gets voted.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #210 (isolation #24) » Fri Dec 22, 2023 9:12 am

Oh, btw, i noticed this when i read the rules but:

In post 1, Firebringer wrote: If majority is not reach and deadline has passed the person with most votes will be eliminated.

It's actually plurality at EoD.

And to the people wondering about my Kage read, i dont see why scum would be prodding into my reasons for town reading them this much this early in the game, feels like it's just easier to pretend im faking a read and voting me instead. It'd be a different story if it wasnt a townread i think (as both scum and town would need to figure out what they need to defend themselves for). So I still think Kage's town.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #220 (isolation #25) » Fri Dec 22, 2023 9:29 am

In post 216, Luka wrote: To gain free town cred. I do it all of the time as scum.

I hate this reasoning because this could be used to explain away any reason for scumreading something someone else townreads. Same as "to pretend they are town".

Sakura Hana · Post Post #235 (isolation #26) » Fri Dec 22, 2023 9:38 am

In post 222, Luka wrote:
In post 220, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 216, Luka wrote: To gain free town cred. I do it all of the time as scum.
I hate this reasoning because this could be used to explain away any reason for scumreading something someone else townreads. Same as "to pretend they are town".
Ok but why doenst town take the read
Why doenst scum question the read

I never implied town doesnt take the read? (or maybe it could be construed that i did) but i do think Town could take the read, just the fact that she questioned the read is a good thing. I already explained why scum doesn't question the read in the post you quoted before, or at least... is very unlikely. In this situation i'm thinking "Kage did something thats more likely to come from town than scum" while sure it could be scum doing it for town cred, i think Occam's razor points to it happening because Kage's town.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #237 (isolation #27) » Fri Dec 22, 2023 9:39 am

Also would be nice if we could move on from this topic because i feel like i explained myself enough at this point and we're going in circles.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #246 (isolation #28) » Fri Dec 22, 2023 9:53 am

On another note, i now also think T3 and pooky are town.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #250 (isolation #29) » Fri Dec 22, 2023 9:56 am

In post 249, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: I s2g i did that out of consideration for your feelings Gamma and not because Cakeboi has decided to vote me and then immediately go into witness protection

I laughed hard at that sentence

Sakura Hana · Post Post #255 (isolation #30) » Fri Dec 22, 2023 10:03 am

In post 253, Luka wrote:
In post 241, Luka wrote:
In post 237, Sakura Hana wrote: Also would be nice if we could move on from this topic because i feel like i explained myself enough at this point and we're going in circles.
That was my plan, don’t worry!
Adorable pfp too ^^
I should vote you since you didn’t respond to my compliment >:c

Sorry, slipped my mind when i was rereading.
Thanks! (Although it's only for christmas, but that's also why i chose it)

Sakura Hana · Post Post #277 (isolation #31) » Fri Dec 22, 2023 4:27 pm

Can anyone explain the Cakez wagon? I'm not understanding what people are seeing there.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #313 (isolation #32) » Sat Dec 23, 2023 4:34 am

In post 304, Cephrir wrote: I want to see at least one game that disproves my personal meta experience with t3. I'm positive it must exist but I'd like to put the stupid idea out of my head

In post 310, Alisae wrote: T3 - I trust him about as far as I can throw him.

These make me a bit worried about townreading T3 earlier.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #316 (isolation #33) » Sat Dec 23, 2023 5:22 am

In post 315, Big Chungus Gaming wrote:
In post 313, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 304, Cephrir wrote: I want to see at least one game that disproves my personal meta experience with t3. I'm positive it must exist but I'd like to put the stupid idea out of my head

In post 310, Alisae wrote: T3 - I trust him about as far as I can throw him.
These make me a bit worried about townreading T3 earlier.
why?

Getting a bit paranoid

Sakura Hana · Post Post #317 (isolation #34) » Sat Dec 23, 2023 5:24 am

Like, is T3 a very good scum player or something? Because so far i dont see anything that jumps out "sus" at me.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #318 (isolation #35) » Sat Dec 23, 2023 5:42 am

Also i feel like i'm missing something about SirCakez, coz the votes are piling up there and so far no one has explained the wagon to me.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #322 (isolation #36) » Sat Dec 23, 2023 6:19 am

In post 321, KawaiiKame wrote: Alisae voted cakez for existing

I... lol, i doubt it's for existing but that sounded funny ngl.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #323 (isolation #37) » Sat Dec 23, 2023 6:20 am

After thinking about it, i decided im not gonna drop my townread of T3 just because others have a hard time trusting him, i felt his posting was towny and that's enough for me at the moment.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #324 (isolation #38) » Sat Dec 23, 2023 6:21 am

I guess i'll just sheep and see what happens
VOTE: SirCakez

Sakura Hana · Post Post #429 (isolation #39) » Sun Dec 24, 2023 9:19 am

In post 416, Big Chungus Gaming wrote: i think i figured out why thread feels stiff and its probably bc some ppl play like frightened kittens when they rand PR so im going to ask only once but please pretend you're vt

Or people are probably busy due to christmas/eve, like me.
Although while i'm at home i do tend to have time to read and post, i feel like there's not much going on, i assume for this reason.
I'll probs do a re-read when i get back from spending the holidays with my family.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #433 (isolation #40) » Sun Dec 24, 2023 9:35 am

In post 410, Klick wrote:
In post 402, T3 wrote:
In post 395, Klick wrote: KawaiiKame is my top townread
Why?

Kawaii is super engaged
, authentic, confident, and showing evidence of solving
I have no clue why you think Kawaii is the best vote you could place atm

In post 425, Klick wrote:
In post 422, T3 wrote: How is Kawaii more engaged than, say, me, Alisae, or Gamma?
That's the issue
You're using the wrong lens
I don't care how engaged Kawaii is compared to other players

I care about how engaged Kawaii is compared to how engaged they'd be if they were scum

In post 430, T3 wrote:
In post 425, Klick wrote:
In post 422, T3 wrote: How is Kawaii more engaged than, say, me, Alisae, or Gamma?
That's the issue
You're using the wrong lens
I don't care how engaged Kawaii is compared to other players
I care about how engaged Kawaii is compared to how engaged they'd be if they were scum
viewtopic.php?t=92050&user_select%5B%5D=36997

Did you not play in this game,
where Kawaii was scum and was far more engaged than in this game?

In post 431, Klick wrote:
That game is exactly what I am comparing their play here to

I'm assuming you've seen my case post on Kawaii in that game?

Basically everything I said about Kawaii there does not apply here

This doesn't match up with Kawaii being "super engaged" and being town for it.
I guess i could just be wrong about my thoughts on Kage, but this doesn't look like you're being honest.
VOTE: Klick

Sakura Hana · Post Post #434 (isolation #41) » Sun Dec 24, 2023 9:44 am

I realize i probs wont be able to follow up on this for a day or so, but i'd like some explanation on how "kawaii is super engaged" here and then you backing down and saying their play would be more engaged if scum when T3 brings it up.
Because from you saying "super engaged" and "the engagement is the difference between their town and scum game" I would have been led to assume they are even less engaged as scum, but you seem to be agreeing with T3 on the opposite.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #475 (isolation #42) » Mon Dec 25, 2023 10:24 am

In post 439, Klick wrote: I disagree that Kawaii was more engaged in that game than they are here

'Engaged' isn't really the keyword I care about most here, it's an imperfect word to describe the opposite of 'cold and removed' as described in what T3 just quoted

What's more relevant is that I feel like T3 is engaging this point in very good faith and I think his legitimate interest makes him +town

In post 440, Klick wrote: In short, when I say Kawaii seems 'engaged' here, what I'm talking about is their attachment to the things they're posting about. I feel like Kawaii cares about the things they are saying this time around. I definitely didn't feel that last time around.

Idk, i think this isn't what i was talking about, but maybe i'm being too nitpicky? outside of that contradiction you dont really give me scum vibes right now anyway.
UNVOTE:

Sakura Hana · Post Post #476 (isolation #43) » Mon Dec 25, 2023 10:26 am

I was planning on re-reading when i got back, but im kinda not in the mood atm.
I feel kinda stuck rn.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #482 (isolation #44) » Mon Dec 25, 2023 2:21 pm

In post 480, Cephrir wrote: Has the game even been going long enough to be stuck? I'm still in the vibes phase

To me it feels like the people that are actively participating arent scum and i dunno who else is.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #483 (isolation #45) » Mon Dec 25, 2023 2:24 pm

Unless it's a case like that mini normal where all the scum were inactive except one, means im wrongly townreading someone so i need to re-read.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #484 (isolation #46) » Mon Dec 25, 2023 2:26 pm

One thing i realized during Klick's thing, is that regardless of Klick's alignment Kawaii's meta came to light, which gave me a TR of the slot.
There's also the thing of why would Klick do this as scum, unless it's something people would expect from them.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #485 (isolation #47) » Mon Dec 25, 2023 2:33 pm

Although you (T3) might be right, maybe i should give it a wait until the holidays are over and see if more people start showing up again.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #531 (isolation #48) » Tue Dec 26, 2023 11:28 am

@BGC

: Did you ever answer Gamma's question in 209.

I feel 327 from SC is fake, coming into the thread asking why Pooky isn't at E-1 when he never explained why he scumread pookie makes 0 sense if he expects sheeping.

@BGC

: Did you also ever explain what vibes you got on 355?

520 from BGC feels iffy. I also disagree with 523.

After re-read i got a TR on Dunn, and leanscum on Cakez. I also want BCG to answer my questions, im not gonna followup on 523's question for now since it was directed at Ceph, I think overall BCG doesnt look like scum, but some posts made me go "????" so im hoping to get a satisfactory answer.

VOTE: Cakez

Sakura Hana · Post Post #532 (isolation #49) » Tue Dec 26, 2023 11:30 am

In post 525, Big Chungus Gaming wrote: Ooh I get what was missing now. I wasn't being directly interacted with ^.^

Well we can interact if you that's what you want.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #540 (isolation #50) » Tue Dec 26, 2023 12:36 pm

In post 538, SirCakez wrote:
In post 446, Big Chungus Gaming wrote:
In post 444, Dunnstral wrote: I don't like the way Big Chungus Gaming is interacting with Klick slot, but do like the way they are interacting with T3
have you considered our lord and savior "sort by postcount" though?

VOTE: jjh
pretty much the lowest of LHF votes possible here

Well something you say i can agree with. Although i wouldn't call it "LHF" more like "Eliminate All Lurkers" kinda thing

Sakura Hana · Post Post #542 (isolation #51) » Tue Dec 26, 2023 12:37 pm

In post 541, SirCakez wrote:
In post 477, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 471, Klick wrote: He seems kinda confident and is saying things that make me go 'hm okay I could see you having this train of thought as town'
bruh im not even sure if he has a train of thought
bruh I caught you in the first 24 hours

Could you explain your read?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #546 (isolation #52) » Tue Dec 26, 2023 12:42 pm

In post 544, SirCakez wrote:
In post 520, Big Chungus Gaming wrote:
In post 508, Cephrir wrote: VOTE: bcg

im just not buying what this slot is selling
OK so which slots are townier than mine? Out of every slot
scummy ass reaction, "why fry me" esque

Interesting take on that.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #547 (isolation #53) » Tue Dec 26, 2023 12:43 pm

In post 545, SirCakez wrote: I don't believe his confidence (I know he's always blustery and faux confident but I don't buy it here) or his reads, they feel made up and this was strengthened when he immediately attacked me when I entered voting him, he knows hes not gonna get anywhere with me on his ass so he has to get rid of me first. y

I see, can you explain why you entered voting him? As in, what gave you impression of him being scum? You can link posts because to me it felt a bit early to have that "confidence" you showed.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #556 (isolation #54) » Tue Dec 26, 2023 3:17 pm

In post 555, T3 wrote: What do you mean by BCG does not look like scum, and why so?

I feel like asking for attention and asking people to participate is not something scum would do here, specially the former.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #562 (isolation #55) » Tue Dec 26, 2023 3:31 pm

In post 558, T3 wrote: yes, they asked for attention, but not much content came out of the attention they received

You could be right, we'll see what happens with my offer of engaging with them.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #564 (isolation #56) » Tue Dec 26, 2023 3:37 pm

Feels like i have a hard time differentiating serious from not serious huh

Sakura Hana · Post Post #566 (isolation #57) » Tue Dec 26, 2023 3:41 pm

In post 565, T3 wrote: Would Cakez really have such poor analysis as scum???

Don't you have it backwards? I imagine people have better analysis as town than as scum in general, since as scum they have to lie while as town they are genuinely analyzing things.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #569 (isolation #58) » Tue Dec 26, 2023 4:01 pm

In post 568, T3 wrote:
In post 566, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 565, T3 wrote: Would Cakez really have such poor analysis as scum???
Don't you have it backwards? I imagine people have better analysis as town than as scum in general, since as scum they have to lie while as town they are genuinely analyzing things.
I'd imagine that there would be a voice in his head telling him "hey, you really shouldn't post this, you should try a little harder to make better analysis" if he was scum.

You saying this made me go back to re-read Cakez ISO on FFXIV ARR which is the last game i had with scum Cakez and also the last game i had with Cakez period, which i didnt wanna do coz it's like 2 years old. His analysis of players in that game werent really good (in fact worse than what im pointing out here) so it only reinforces my idea that town players have better analysis than scum players unless they are really skilled at lying.
However it also means it's likelier he's town here coz his analysis of people on that game were worse. I'll still wait for replies anyway, it's not like we're in a hurry rn.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #571 (isolation #59) » Tue Dec 26, 2023 4:05 pm

I've also generally not been into meta lately, so it's not something i wanted to go and research, but i guess i wanted to find out if wether you were right or i was right in my belief.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #572 (isolation #60) » Tue Dec 26, 2023 4:08 pm

Either way, i'm still in my belief that unless you're really skilled at lying your analysis as town is gonna be a lot better than your analysis as scum. I have seen nothing to disprove this.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #576 (isolation #61) » Tue Dec 26, 2023 5:12 pm

UNVOTE:

Sakura Hana · Post Post #577 (isolation #62) » Tue Dec 26, 2023 5:13 pm

I dont particularly agree with you that what you said makes pooky scum, but i can see that you're probably not scum.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #587 (isolation #63) » Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:57 pm

In post 583, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: Like your reaction feels so tailor-made to me, and it's also totally unprompted, it just feels too perfect to be a coincidence.

Why are you voting STD instead of any of those names you mentioned?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #710 (isolation #64) » Wed Dec 27, 2023 5:50 am

In post 699, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 587, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 583, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: Like your reaction feels so tailor-made to me, and it's also totally unprompted, it just feels too perfect to be a coincidence.
Why are you voting STD instead of any of those names you mentioned?
because what I said is whack and nobody is going to listen

And why does that stop you from voting them?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #711 (isolation #65) » Wed Dec 27, 2023 5:53 am

@Klick

: Within the reasoning you've given so far, i think out of the 3 it's more likely pooky town and 2 sheep scum than an entire scumteam piling up, like when does that even happen. More importantly consistently during the day.

@BCG

: Please answer the questions i gave you during my re-read

Sakura Hana · Post Post #850 (isolation #66) » Thu Dec 28, 2023 1:53 am

In post 847, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: lastly I recognize that its possible that we're actually T/T here.

Pretty much.
As I was reading all this nonsense i realized

@Dunnstral/Pooky/Klick

: I've read all of this and quite frankly i think all 3 of you are town and just misunderstanding each other, it feels like your entire argument is based of "what you think" the other person is doing rather than what they are actually doing and ended up bloating up the thread arguing about it, you should probably take a step back, re-read the argument or start looking at other people because this isn't helping find scum imo.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #854 (isolation #67) » Thu Dec 28, 2023 2:09 am

Here's the situation as i understand it and why i think it's a misunderstanding, this will probably be the only post i make in the matter and only coz i wanna try and facilitate you guys understanding each other. I don't really want to add up to this "war" between i wanna end it instead.

Klick

: The argument here is that the 3 were voting together but are also

Independently scummy

is just another reason to think they are scum.

Pooky

: The argument here is that he's hyperfocusing on one thing, but that was also part of Klick's and Dunnstral's push of him so he was trying to understand the push to sort them.

Dunnstral

: On your case, I'm not sure i think it was just an engagement born of misunderstanding what Pooky was doing and so you ended up wrongly enphasising those points.

Did i get that right?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #864 (isolation #68) » Thu Dec 28, 2023 5:04 am

In post 863, Big Chungus Gaming wrote:

@BCG

In post 531, Sakura Hana wrote:
@BGC
: Did you ever answer Gamma's question in 209.

<snip>

@BGC
: Did you also ever explain what vibes you got on 355?

<snip>

<snip> I also want BCG to answer my questions, im not gonna followup on 523's question for now since it was directed at Ceph, I think overall BCG doesnt look like scum, but some posts made me go "????" so im hoping to get a satisfactory answer.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #865 (isolation #69) » Thu Dec 28, 2023 5:05 am

Oh i accidentally snipped this on that quote.

In post 531, Sakura Hana wrote:520 from BGC feels iffy. I also disagree with 523.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #879 (isolation #70) » Thu Dec 28, 2023 5:33 am

VOTE: STD

Sakura Hana · Post Post #897 (isolation #71) » Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:12 am

In post 896, Dunnstral wrote: Dunn from the future here. Save The Dragon's content around page 50 is scummy and I think we should vote them out.

This made me giggle.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #970 (isolation #72) » Thu Dec 28, 2023 11:17 am

In post 960, Luka wrote: [Big Chungus, Luka, Pooky, Alisae, Whemestar] <- Confident Towns
[Sakura, Penguin, Klick] <- Second Tier Towns
[JJH, Save the Dragons]] <- Above Null
[Ceph, T3] <- Null
{Dunnstural, Kaiwaii} <- Scum Lean
[Gamma, Cakez] <- Scums

You missed kyouko... unless you accidentally put your name instead of kyouko's on the list(?)

Sakura Hana · Post Post #977 (isolation #73) » Thu Dec 28, 2023 1:20 pm

@Luka

: I see you have Kawaii as scum-lean do you disagree with Klick's meta assesment of this being Kawaii's towngame?

Sakura Hana · Fri Dec 29, 2023 10:37 am

That was... dissapointing
Not the vote, but the post was... a lot shorter than i thought it'd be

Sakura Hana · Sat Dec 30, 2023 10:39 am

Maybe if we say STD 3 times, he'll be summoned again.

Also imma take a 3 day V/LA because of new years

Sorry cant offer much else rn, been incredibly busy irl

Sakura Hana · Post Post #1213 (isolation #76) » Sun Dec 31, 2023 7:44 pm

Happy New Year!

Sakura Hana · Post Post #1255 (isolation #77) » Mon Jan 01, 2024 1:59 pm

Reading

Sakura Hana · Post Post #1256 (isolation #78) » Mon Jan 01, 2024 1:59 pm

Oh god it's like 9 pages since i went V/LA

Sakura Hana · Post Post #1257 (isolation #79) » Mon Jan 01, 2024 2:42 pm

In post 1057, jjh927 wrote: But yeah why is anyone still focused on STD at all?

I personally voted him because it felt like a bettlejuice when he popped in to say "Hi", i think he also noticed what had happened coz of his weird "mic check" thing he said afterwards

In post 1089, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1057, jjh927 wrote: I think I'm dropping the chuuni bit but oh well

But yeah why is anyone still focused on STD at all? Dude is never going to say anything that is alignment indicative or that is going to convince anyone of anything.
I didn’t really see much change your posting by way of the bit

What does this even mean.

In post 1091, Cephrir wrote: Patient for what I clearly stated I had no intention of answering your question

Your posturing does not scare me

What is exactly scummy about BCG and where are they posturing.

In post 1093, Big Chungus Gaming wrote: holistic reads

Only reason im quoting this is coz i've seen this word mentioned and i dont know what it means.

In post 1113, KawaiiKame wrote: This is new, inspired by Sakura

How did anything i say inspire you to reach that conclusion?

In post 1142, Klick wrote: I lean towards your sort on Dunn coming from genuinely wanting to figure out his alignment fwiw.

Personally, I agree

In post 1148, Cephrir wrote:
In post 1120, Big Chungus Gaming wrote:
In post 1117, Dunnstral wrote: VOTE: Big Chungus Gaming
in context to what I personally perceive as "waking up" and improving my posting and knowing your level of play - I find this vote bizarre for a town POV - although I see some level of reasoning plausible, I find me dropping you from my townreads justified.

because from a scum POV, this is a grab to make sure to keep me viable in reaction to me picking up my behavior.

is PP town now btw? because I think - a more logical point to go towards in your shoes, at least to me if I believed your reads as they were, I would be wanting to push PP here and see how other slots act. I know better than to project my own thought process
everything is "i find this" and not "this is"

What does this have to do with anything.

In post 1173, Dunnstral wrote: I don't find the extreme omgus and bad faith arguments coming from Big Chungus Gaming slot to be town
I don't think Pooky is town either

It is annoying to me that both are being binned as town for wall posting arguments without really reading into the arguments. That's the feeling I get at least.

I disagree that they are being townbinned just for wall posting. I assume people have read the actual arguments (At least i have)

In post 1225, Save The Dragons wrote: cephrir is clearly town here

Explain how he is

clearly

town

In post 1230, Cephrir wrote:
In post 1222, Big Chungus Gaming wrote:
In post 1220, Gamma Emerald wrote: VOTE: cephrir
I feel like this is a decently scumread player with little motion to actually start anything there, I’m changing that
VOTE: cephrir

we will see how fast the actual explanations start rolling in
I would rather die than dance for you

This is probably the only post from Ceph that gives me pause about him, and thinking he's potentially town, I dont know if it's in scum's best interest to continue pushing this when it could cause them to die.
Now onto BCG, i believe they are very clearly town. Every assesment they presented in 1206 can be backed up by evidence throughout their own ISO. You can clearly see where their thought process comes from and how it changes after research. It's very clear that they are actually researching to be able to solve the game which is a very pro-town mindset.

After this I'm gonna need very compelling reasons for why BCG is scum, or stop this push. This looks wrong and atm BCG is in very real danger of elimination due to plurality.

I personally think out of the people voting BCG right now the most likely scum is SC.
VOTE: SirCakez

Sakura Hana · Post Post #1258 (isolation #80) » Mon Jan 01, 2024 2:53 pm

Actually after ISOing SC i realized they scumread BCG longer than i thought, which is around the time i had doubts about them as well outside a few posts, which weakens my read there. I had for some reason thought they jumped onto BCG coz of Ceph's push. I still think there should be scum somewhere in there tho. Maybe it's just Ceph despite me thinking that 1230 has the potential to be towny? I guess it's pretty weak reasoning in the end.
VOTE: Cephrir

Sakura Hana · Post Post #1259 (isolation #81) » Mon Jan 01, 2024 2:55 pm

Although 1097 from SC is kinda ???.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #1261 (isolation #82) » Mon Jan 01, 2024 3:00 pm

In post 1260, Cephrir wrote: here are so many of you just desperate to do anything to keep this unpleasant person around which is odd but whatever.

So you didnt actually scumread him then?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #1262 (isolation #83) » Mon Jan 01, 2024 3:01 pm

(i missed a t when i highlited text to quote so i'll just requote)

In post 1260, Cephrir wrote: there are so many of you just desperate to do anything to keep this unpleasant person around which is odd but whatever.

So you didnt actually scumread him then?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #1266 (isolation #84) » Mon Jan 01, 2024 3:05 pm

In post 1264, Cephrir wrote:
In post 1261, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 1260, Cephrir wrote: here are so many of you just desperate to do anything to keep this unpleasant person around which is odd but whatever.
So you didnt actually scumread him then?
No, I did and do, but I'm not operating under an illusion that you all are going to start listening to me suddenly.

I assume this means you arent willing to substantiate that scumread? Because as I explained earlier, it looks to me like they are genuinely trying to solve. I have a very strong townread on them, and if im wrong on both him being town and you being scum, then i need you to help me realize that instead of just shrugging it off and going somewhere else.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #1283 (isolation #85) » Mon Jan 01, 2024 5:32 pm

In post 1253, Firebringer wrote: VC HERE IN A HOUR

Must be a very long hour

Sakura Hana · Post Post #1284 (isolation #86) » Mon Jan 01, 2024 6:10 pm

In post 1272, Cephrir wrote:
In post 1266, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 1264, Cephrir wrote:
In post 1261, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 1260, Cephrir wrote: here are so many of you just desperate to do anything to keep this unpleasant person around which is odd but whatever.
So you didnt actually scumread him then?
No, I did and do, but I'm not operating under an illusion that you all are going to start listening to me suddenly.
I assume this means you arent willing to substantiate that scumread? Because as I explained earlier, it looks to me like they are genuinely trying to solve. I have a very strong townread on them, and if im wrong on both him being town and you being scum, then i need you to help me realize that instead of just shrugging it off and going somewhere else.
I do not have an ironclad case. If I continue to hold this read I think I will need other scum flips first to be able to formulate something a logical player would find compelling, and I know that they are someone who will dumpster me in an argument even if I am 300% completely right as I lack rhetorical skill and become sidetracked easily by behavior I find irritating, which they excel at performing. I'll return to it later or, more likely, be eliminated first. This is not going to satisfy you and that's ok.

No it's not ok.

I want to tread carefully here, because this looks like you're trying to reach out to me via feelings, because you know that's how I operate, but logically it does seem like you don't really have anything on BCG and are blowing up your read out of proportion. I specially dislike how after BCG makes a long post your immediate reaction is "They arent gonna be eliminated because of long post", instead of engaging with their logic, if there's anything to scumread about it.
I've went and ISO'd BCG, as well as other related parties like Dunn and by extent Pooky trying to figure out if there's anything in here, but no matter how many times i read in this, I don't see any reason to believe any analysis or conclusions that BCG has drawn have been done with malicious intent and looks like legit research is being done. Worst case scenario would be TMI on kyouko, but if they really have that read accuracy, then this is expected and NAI.

As it stands, all i can get is that you probably scumread BCG on a gut read, and that's even if you're actually town. I've tried to reach out to you, but your response is just "Ah well i cant explain it, i'll explain it later if im not eliminated".

Once again, my goal here is that if you're town you either show me why BCG is scum, or you see why i think they're town and possibly agree with me.
Don't worry about how satisfied you think i'll be with whatever case or reasons you might have, that's for me to judge.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #1330 (isolation #87) » Tue Jan 02, 2024 1:21 am

In post 1325, Gamma Emerald wrote: I’m going to chastise someone for any form of read on me that I think allows scum to skate by, which I predominantly see in scumreads
Alisae’s read on me as it stands is a zero-responsibility read because it has no bearing on anything I have actually done, instead using what others have done as a shortcut. So it’s a double-whammy of itself being a “scum skating by” type of read and one that allows scum to paint the picture they want if Alisae is town.

Isnt this what you did here tho?:

In post 1220, Gamma Emerald wrote: VOTE: cephrir
I feel like this is a decently scumread player with little motion to actually start anything there, I’m changing that

Sakura Hana · Post Post #1331 (isolation #88) » Tue Jan 02, 2024 1:23 am

In post 1329, KawaiiKame wrote:
In post 1327, Klick wrote:
In post 1317, KawaiiKame wrote:
In post 1257, Sakura Hana wrote: In post 1113, KawaiiKame wrote:
This is new, inspired by Sakura
How did anything i say inspire you to reach that conclusion?

In post 566, Sakura Hana wrote: Don't you have it backwards? I imagine people have better analysis as town than as scum in general, since as scum they have to lie while as town they are genuinely analyzing things.

In post 572, Sakura Hana wrote: Either way, i'm still in my belief that unless you're really skilled at lying your analysis as town is gonna be a lot better than your analysis as scum. I have seen nothing to disprove this.
If someone lies/is skilled at lying then they have the highest potential to be mafia, your words inspired this conclusion.
???

Someone's ability to lie doesn't influence their odds of pulling a red Role PM with most moderators
I'm saying someone who lies has a higher chance of being mafia
Someone who lies well is the most dangerous as mafia, so we need to eliminate good liars in case they are mafia

This is BS, It's not about eliminating the player with the greatest ability to lie, it's about eliminating the player who is lying, and even that it's just oversimplifying the game as it's not as easy as that. Something like this will lead you to want to eliminate the same player in every game just because they are good at lying, instead of... because of their actual alignment.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #1354 (isolation #89) » Tue Jan 02, 2024 5:15 am

In post 1347, Save The Dragons wrote: he's made a lot of nothingburger posts

I disagree with this.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #1355 (isolation #90) » Tue Jan 02, 2024 5:22 am

In post 1341, Save The Dragons wrote: im probably not going to but they're saying stuff just to say stuff it looks a little like it could be fake to me

In post 1342, Save The Dragons wrote: 1328 for example

You know, i actually have my own concerns with Kawaii personally, specially with how it feels they are hiding behind my words about people who are good at lying and turning it into "let's eliminate people that are good at lying then" that i've been dismissing because of Klick's meta assesment of Kawaii. It is refreshing to know that i'm not the only one sensing something off about them tho.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #1365 (isolation #91) » Tue Jan 02, 2024 5:45 am

In post 1361, SirCakez wrote:
In post 1259, Sakura Hana wrote: Although 1097 from SC is kinda ???.
how so

Just because you can figure out where Ceph sees doesnt mean others should be able to, also you dont explain when BCG asks you to. Heck, even Ceph himself cant explain the vibes to me (his TR) when prompted to, what makes you think you can?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #1368 (isolation #92) » Tue Jan 02, 2024 5:58 am

In post 1367, SirCakez wrote: I saw the way Ceph got to the BCG vote, ya he did not explain it much but that's Ceph for you and his frustrations with the slot that led to the vote seem genuine

This is a lot better than what you said before because it looked fake to me, I don't see how Ceph got to the BCG vote, and i dont see any re-evaluating after BCG's more recent posts which solidified my townread there, which means the read must be pretty strong, but i dont see how something out of "vibes" can be that strong. What's your take on it?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #1369 (isolation #93) » Tue Jan 02, 2024 5:58 am

In post 1366, Save The Dragons wrote: Did I mention ceph is town?

You did yes

Sakura Hana · Post Post #1373 (isolation #94) » Tue Jan 02, 2024 6:18 am

Ali's thing seems NAI to me. I appreciate your answer

Sakura Hana · Post Post #1375 (isolation #95) » Tue Jan 02, 2024 6:28 am

In post 1374, Cephrir wrote: Unrelated, I feel like kawaii's post quality is taking a dive and I'd like to know whether klick finds it significant or thinks this is in line w/ his stuff

Dunno how it's unrelated since we were just talking about them earlier, but I agree.

@Klick

thoughts?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #1376 (isolation #96) » Tue Jan 02, 2024 6:28 am

UNVOTE:
For now

Sakura Hana · Tue Jan 02, 2024 10:31 am

In post 1408, Alisae wrote:
In post 1362, SirCakez wrote:
In post 1307, Alisae wrote: I'm too town for elim and I don't even have to try hard to do it
I have to vote this bullshit
VOTE: alisae
this is a wolfclaim from cakez btw.
I know him enough to know this

Wait what?

Sakura Hana · Tue Jan 02, 2024 10:36 am

I'll have to agree that you provoking people like that is something i've seen you do in your towngame, but i dont see how it correlates to him not believing you're mafia, has he played with you as both alignments and "should know better" or something?

Sakura Hana · Tue Jan 02, 2024 10:38 am

You know what, sure, my vote isnt doing anything and i dont townread Cakez, heck i've gone into scumreading him a couple times but then back to neutral.
VOTE: Cakez

Sakura Hana · Tue Jan 02, 2024 10:49 am

In post 1429, Gamma Emerald wrote: but my issue with kyouko’s read lies elsewhere

Explain then?

Sakura Hana · Tue Jan 02, 2024 10:57 am

Sometimes I wish people stopped talking in riddles.

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 03, 2024 4:09 am

In post 1470, Klick wrote: This got jumbled a bit because I rushed it out before my lunch break ends in a minute. But it gets the point across I think

This is plenty, thanks.

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 03, 2024 8:15 am

In post 1474, Luka wrote:
In post 1425, Sakura Hana wrote: You know what, sure, my vote isnt doing anything and i dont townread Cakez, heck i've gone into scumreading him a couple times but then back to neutral.
VOTE: Cakez
Vote feels bad and nervous

Why bad?

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 03, 2024 9:24 am

In post 1478, Save The Dragons wrote: I'm starting to lose faith in my pooky tr

Why?

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 03, 2024 9:54 am

In post 1480, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: Penguinpower - an actual batman villain (The Riddler)

This actually made me laugh

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 03, 2024 9:56 am

So like
STD is good at figuring out Ceph's alignment (Town)
Klick is good at figuring out Kawaii's alignment (Town)
BCG is good at figuring out Kyouko's alignment (Town)

At the moment i have no reason to believe any of these 3 are scum, and for as long as that's true im willing to take them on their word about the other 3, so that's... basically 6 free TRs.

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 03, 2024 9:57 am

Ok i guess 6 isnt exactly accurate, more like 3, coz the other 3 arent exactly free

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 03, 2024 10:03 am

I have literally no idea how to read Gamma, but Kyouko, if she's a super confident SR, why would you rather eliminate Cakez first? (Judging by your current vote)

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 03, 2024 10:44 am

In post 1499, Cephrir wrote: and i think it's largely reaction oriented and mildly omgusy not so much proactive

fun fact, i've had this feeling about pooky this game, on the one hand on Anything Upick pooky wasnt like that, but he was hydra with firebringer who likes being scumread so that could've had something to do with it. This is my first time playing with Pooky outside that game so i'm not sure how to read him, i thought he was towny at first, and some things i do wonder if it's legit scumhunting or just reactions.
Like legit as soon as Gamma opens up voting him, he scumreads him. When Klick posts the thing about pooky/std/pp Pooky immediately scumreads Klick, when Dunn starts arguing with Pooky, Pooky starts scumreading Dunn.
I'm not sure if i'm forgetting something, but those seem to be Pooky's major scumreads and/or engagements this game and all of them have been reactionary, which is making me go "is this how town pooky plays? am i wrong and Pooky's just scum?". My only pause is that Pooky says that he primarly scumhunts by engaging with the reasons people scumread him so I'm seeing what happens for now.

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 03, 2024 10:44 am

Oh yeah there was Cakez voting pooky, to which Pooky also reacted scumreading Cakez

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 03, 2024 10:45 am

In post 1503, Luka wrote:
In post 1501, SirCakez wrote: How is this a bad vote? You've been scumreading me like all game
it feels really akward and opportunistic after sakura just defended u

I defended Cakez?

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 03, 2024 10:55 am

Like at this point i'm still thinking there has to be scum in the people that were pushing BCG before, and some of the major pushers were Ceph and Cakez, it's not impossible for both to be town and scum be hiding within people like PP, which is why i was trying to sort Cakez and Ceph at the time. None of that was defending either, i was defending BCG.

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 03, 2024 11:09 am

In post 1515, Cephrir wrote: curious why your attention is drawn by "major pushers" rather than anyone who joined in with less commitment but this is still analysis you do after someone flips town not before

Coz it felt like it was a malicious driving force, so i decided to start there.
As for the other question, BCG felt very towny on that post, and you're right, I probably shouldn't make those analysis pre-flip.

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 03, 2024 11:21 am

In post 1519, Luka wrote:
In post 1508, Sakura Hana wrote: I defended Cakez?
yeah post before the vote there was a soft defense

Ah I see, that was me trying to figure out why Ali was voting Cakez unless you meant another post?

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 03, 2024 11:45 am

In post 1522, Luka wrote:
In post 1521, Sakura Hana wrote: Ah I see, that was me trying to figure out why Ali was voting Cakez unless you meant another post?
I mean that. Felt like a soft defense and then an opportunistic hop on.

Well it was neither

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 03, 2024 1:10 pm

Well this sudden wagon on pooky makes me uneasy.

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 03, 2024 1:24 pm

In post 1542, Gamma Emerald wrote: You’re an option that is outside that group, that’s all there is to it

So it boils down to "let's eliminate this person i dont townread coz it's not us" is that it?

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 03, 2024 3:04 pm

In post 1557, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 1553, Alisae wrote: When I are up I want to see some people say why they think cakez is town
I think Dunnstral's read of SirCakez and overt defense of him makes him TMI'd town. 585 792

as the game has progressed and Cakez became leading wagon on a 2nd go around - Dunnstral's said nothing to defend his Cakez Townread from earlier and just kind of twiddling his thumbs trying to pretend he doesn't exist.

Feels like he wants the Cakez wagon to go through. His inactivity while Cakez/BCG are the leading wagons makes me think he's comfortable with either one going through which doesnt make sense if he's scum with scum!cakez or town with a cakez townread. Furthermore he says nothing to really defend Cakez when he does enter the thread.

Dunnstral's scumplay I would classify as "act when necessary" and I think in game states that are favorable to scum he doesn't really do much you can see G+R for an example of Dunnstral doing nothing in a game state favorable to mafia.

Consider me convinced
VOTE: Dunn

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 03, 2024 3:18 pm

UNVOTE:
But wait a minute, Dunn's last post was 1313 which was a while ago.
I dont think the Cakez wagon has rematerialized yet at this point has it?

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 03, 2024 3:21 pm

Nope, according to the previous VC, Cakez was at 2 votes from gamma and BCG, and i voted Cakez for like less than a minute.

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 03, 2024 3:22 pm

In post 1557, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: Furthermore he says nothing to really defend Cakez when he does enter the thread.

What did Dunn need to defend Cakez from at which point? Can u link these posts to me?

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 03, 2024 3:33 pm

In post 1574, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 1568, Sakura Hana wrote: UNVOTE:
But wait a minute, Dunn's last post was 1313 which was a while ago.
I dont think the Cakez wagon has rematerialized yet at this point has it?
why didn't you go back to cakez?

VOTE: Cakez
Was planning to, was waiting to see if Pooky would clarify first.

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 03, 2024 3:36 pm

In post 1573, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: i probly should not have actually said anything and just waited to see what dunn would actually do whenever he finally shows up to the thread again

In the event that you're town and dunn is scum, then yes, you're basically giving Dunn free reign to nullify your case now.
I do want to give you the benefit of the doubt and think that you made an honest mistake in casing Dunn instead of trying to mislead people.

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 03, 2024 3:38 pm

In post 1578, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1569, Sakura Hana wrote: Nope, according to the previous VC, Cakez was at 2 votes from gamma and BCG, and i voted Cakez for like less than a minute.
by "2 votes from" do you mean he had 2 more votes on him?

In the VC i checked, the only 2 votes on cakez were from you and BCG, soon after i voted him for like less than a minute and then switched to Ceph, skimmed a few posts after until Dunn's latest post i didnt see any more votes on Cakez which means the wagon on him hadn't re-emerged at that point.

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 03, 2024 3:45 pm

In post 1583, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1581, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 1578, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1569, Sakura Hana wrote: Nope, according to the previous VC, Cakez was at 2 votes from gamma and BCG, and i voted Cakez for like less than a minute.
by "2 votes from" do you mean he had 2 more votes on him?
In the VC i checked, the only 2 votes on cakez were from you and BCG, soon after i voted him for like less than a minute and then switched to Ceph, skimmed a few posts after until Dunn's latest post i didnt see any more votes on Cakez which means the wagon on him hadn't re-emerged at that point.
then the VC is wrong because I never voted Cakez

My mistake, it was Alisae and BCG

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 03, 2024 3:46 pm

Oh wait yeah it's that one.
Either way, point still stands, if anything it's even more evident the wagon hadnt resurfaced yet.

Sakura Hana · Wed Jan 03, 2024 4:01 pm

In post 1603, Big Chungus Gaming wrote: this is an open admission that im just watching and eating popcorn rn bc I genuinely have no idea how to interact with this game state except with the fun way of seeing how ppl react to me saying this post

Must be nice

Sakura Hana · Thu Jan 04, 2024 6:28 am

In post 1643, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: dunnstral is the definition of coasting right now he's posted one time in the last four days

he posted four times on sunday and none on saturday

you can't look at that and tell me that's a player who wants to be here

I just checked, it's an elitell
VOTE: Dunnstral

Sakura Hana · Thu Jan 04, 2024 6:28 am

Or however you spell that

Sakura Hana · Thu Jan 04, 2024 6:31 am

If you check his site activity, he's been active on-site around the time the Cakez wagon was peaking, yet he's been avoiding posting here when Cakez is his townread, why?

Sakura Hana · Thu Jan 04, 2024 6:39 am

In post 1649, Dunnstral wrote: What do you want me to do about sircakez getting wagoned, exactly? I didn't vote for them

The point of contention about Cakez was brought up by Pooky, to which i countered by mentioning you hadnt posted since Cakez wagon resurfaced, after checking that you've been on-site when the wagon did resurface the points become valid again, if not worse.
I'll just quote it here for your convenience:

In post 1557, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 1553, Alisae wrote: When I are up I want to see some people say why they think cakez is town
I think Dunnstral's read of SirCakez and overt defense of him makes him TMI'd town. 585 792

as the game has progressed and Cakez became leading wagon on a 2nd go around - Dunnstral's said nothing to defend his Cakez Townread from earlier and just kind of twiddling his thumbs trying to pretend he doesn't exist.

Feels like he wants the Cakez wagon to go through. His inactivity while Cakez/BCG are the leading wagons makes me think he's comfortable with either one going through which doesnt make sense if he's scum with scum!cakez or town with a cakez townread. Furthermore he says nothing to really defend Cakez when he does enter the thread.

Dunnstral's scumplay I would classify as "act when necessary" and I think in game states that are favorable to scum he doesn't really do much you can see G+R for an example of Dunnstral doing nothing in a game state favorable to mafia.

Sakura Hana · Thu Jan 04, 2024 12:19 pm

In post 1667, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: If we go to Night phase maybe I'll put Cakez meta case into my last will thingy

I completely forgot about that.
I still think Dunnstral's guilty of being active on site while avoiding this game tho.

Sakura Hana · Thu Jan 04, 2024 12:27 pm

Btw, this is the first time using that tell myself, everytime i've seen it used has proven very effective. If i'm using it wrong it's appreciated if you let me know (someone other than Dunnstral) coz otherwise i dont think i want to eliminate anyone else right now.

Sakura Hana · Fri Jan 05, 2024 1:22 am

In post 1761, Big Chungus Gaming wrote: well regardless, we have a very important PR we do not want to throw and eliminate to turn this into mountainous.

Cid is elimination immune i thought.

Sakura Hana · Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:02 am

In post 1815, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: Alisae, Wheme, Luka, Klick, Sakura - wherever the majority of these go I'll probably go as long as it's not on one of them or on KK, preferably not Cephrir but I'm willing to accept my reasoning for jjh is not strong enough to take him off the table for D1 "compromise" type voting

I personally find 1557 a very compelling and strong argument for the ellitell working on Dunn

Sakura Hana · Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:53 am

In post 1838, Cephrir wrote: i'm actively against the dunnstral wagon

Explain?

Sakura Hana · Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:58 am

In post 1840, Klick wrote: I find it quite funny how the reins for the elimination today are being actively avoided

What does this mean? Do you mean no one is taking the lead for eliminating someone? Or the people eliminating someone arent taking the reins to drive it?

Sakura Hana · Fri Jan 05, 2024 11:02 am

Btw Cakez has also vanished which i'm not sure what it means in the context of this game, since according to pooky scum Dunn means town Cakez

That being said, i'm open to switching to PP or Cakez, I just think Dunn has the highest chance of scum flip right now.

Sakura Hana · Fri Jan 05, 2024 12:14 pm

In post 1853, Dunnstral wrote: I was confused why Sakura keeps saying I am elitelling, so I checked my sitewide posting history and discovered that several posts I've made in this game are missing from that page.

Incorrect, there were several site wide posts made after 1313 and before your prod.

Sakura Hana · Fri Jan 05, 2024 12:16 pm

In post 1856, Big Chungus Gaming wrote: like I think both are probably maf at this moment but lets stay in the spirit of the game please

Alright then, what do you think about pooky saying that Dunn is coasting.

Sakura Hana · Fri Jan 05, 2024 12:48 pm

In post 1863, SirCakez wrote: VOTE: penguin
I read his iso and pengys basically voting any viable wagon to save himself, dude is scum. hes playing to his coasty, low-content scum meta too.

Does everyone in this game have a coasty low-content scum meta this game or what, i feel like i've heard this about others (like jjh and dunn(?)

[Citation Needed]

) as well.

Sakura Hana · Fri Jan 05, 2024 12:51 pm

In post 1867, SirCakez wrote:
In post 1864, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 1863, SirCakez wrote: VOTE: penguin
I read his iso and pengys basically voting any viable wagon to save himself, dude is scum. hes playing to his coasty, low-content scum meta too.
Does everyone in this game have a coasty low-content scum meta this game or what, i feel like i've heard this about others (like jjh and dunn(?)
[Citation Needed]
) as well.
JJJh is always like this, Dunn I can't get a grasp on yet

It just feels like everytime a player has been inactive/coasty this game someone comes and says that's their scum meta.

Sakura Hana · Fri Jan 05, 2024 12:54 pm

In post 1869, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 1864, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 1863, SirCakez wrote: VOTE: penguin
I read his iso and pengys basically voting any viable wagon to save himself, dude is scum. hes playing to his coasty, low-content scum meta too.
Does everyone in this game have a coasty low-content scum meta this game or what, i feel like i've heard this about others (like jjh and dunn(?)
[Citation Needed]
) as well.
I post more when I'm mafia, it is known

Why didn't you respond to pooky's "case" on you then. I literally quoted it for you and all you said was "Alright"

Sakura Hana · Fri Jan 05, 2024 12:58 pm

You could have literally posted anything like "I dont have time to catch up on 10+ pages i'll post later" or something instead of just not doing anything.
But that was just my personal grievance with your ellitell, why do u keep ignoring pooky's post like for the 3rd time now.

Sakura Hana · Fri Jan 05, 2024 12:59 pm

Like it is evidently obvious i'm using that post as a base to read your ellitell as pretty damning and the fact that you keep ignoring it isnt helping.

Sakura Hana · Fri Jan 05, 2024 1:07 pm

Hi Katsuki long time no see

Sakura Hana · Fri Jan 05, 2024 4:16 pm

In post 1891, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 1875, Sakura Hana wrote: Like it is evidently obvious i'm using that post as a base to read your ellitell as pretty damning and the fact that you keep ignoring it isnt helping.
Make it clear what you want me to respond to

1557 this is the last time.

Sakura Hana · Fri Jan 05, 2024 4:21 pm

In post 1896, jjh927 wrote: Reasoning that essentially boils down to "With my nearly entirely gut-based playstyle, I normally scumread him but right now I townread him" from a player who I don't believe has above chance reads is not going to persuade me of anything

This sounds like you literally ignored STD's post except for the last line

Sakura Hana · Fri Jan 05, 2024 4:57 pm

In post 1914, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 1912, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 1891, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 1875, Sakura Hana wrote: Like it is evidently obvious i'm using that post as a base to read your ellitell as pretty damning and the fact that you keep ignoring it isnt helping.
Make it clear what you want me to respond to
1557 this is the last time.
I hadn't read up so didn't see that SirCakez was being wagoned. Pooky pushing this angle seems weird given I hadn't posted. Guns and Roses is 1 game and I died pretty early on, there are other games where I post more as mafia and there are games where I don't post a lot as town.

So in short, activity is not a measure to read you? What are your current reads?

Sakura Hana · Sat Jan 06, 2024 1:49 am

Part of me is like "Well he didnt self-hammer, maybe he's actually town" but i also wonder why leave your instructions in your last will instead of just flat out writing them in the thread?

Sakura Hana · Sat Jan 06, 2024 1:49 am

VOTE: PP

Sakura Hana · Sat Jan 06, 2024 1:51 am

In post 1942, Dunnstral wrote:

Sakura Hana · Sat Jan 06, 2024 1:57 am

Then again, Dunn's had the same scumteam for like ages...

Sakura Hana · Sat Jan 06, 2024 2:01 am

Ugh nevermind
VOTE: Dunn
I feel like, a lot of things Dunn does is like trying to avoid answering things or misdirecting them? It's kinda weird.

Sakura Hana · Mon Jan 08, 2024 7:51 am

In post 1972, Firebringer wrote: The Goddess Trial has begun
the cult
has selected Klick and Luka to participate. Players may only vote for these two players for this game day.

This does make it look like a scum activated PR.

Sakura Hana · Mon Jan 08, 2024 7:52 am

In post 1984, Gamma Emerald wrote: The players chosen kinda make me lean it being a scum move. I recall little friction between Klick and Luka.

In post 1985, Save The Dragons wrote: i'll just come out and say it

i tracked gamma and she targeted klick and luka so gamma did this

lol

Sakura Hana · Mon Jan 08, 2024 7:52 am

VOTE: No Elimination

Sakura Hana · Mon Jan 08, 2024 7:53 am

Oh, turns out the rules dont say you can vote for no elimination and since it's plurality maybe it's not an option

Sakura Hana · Mon Jan 08, 2024 7:53 am

Wonder what happens if we just time out the day with no one voting for anyone.

Sakura Hana · Mon Jan 08, 2024 7:58 am

In post 1996, Alisae wrote:
In post 1987, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 1972, Firebringer wrote: The Goddess Trial has begun
the cult
has selected Klick and Luka to participate. Players may only vote for these two players for this game day.
This does make it look like a scum activated PR.
Oh cool so gamma is a wolf got it

Yeah pretty much.
I believe that this is a very unfair ability to use against town since it basically strips a day, so i'm gonna take a wild guess balance wise scum had to include a scum in the duo.

Sakura Hana · Mon Jan 08, 2024 7:59 am

Unless after this we get a normal day

@Mod?

Sakura Hana · Mon Jan 08, 2024 8:02 am

Actually nevermind it says "for this game day"

Sakura Hana · Mon Jan 08, 2024 8:05 am

So here's where im currently at:
Gamma is confscum, Pooky is very high chance of being scum and PP/Cakez/T3 are like lean-scum for me right now.

Sakura Hana · Mon Jan 08, 2024 8:08 am

In post 2019, Save The Dragons wrote: inb4 jjh still thinks i suck

You did well, i think it would've been better if you waited before saying that tho, there's some people i wanted to see their reactions to this that now will just act with gamma being as confirmed scum.

Sakura Hana · Mon Jan 08, 2024 8:10 am

If pooky's scum then Cakez is town methinks, considering he and Gamma did this weird 1v1 early on and then pooky switched to Cakez afterwards, since Gamma was the bus, then Cakez is more likely to be town in that scenario.

Sakura Hana · Mon Jan 08, 2024 8:11 am

This also makes Klick more likely to be town than Luka lol.

Sakura Hana · Mon Jan 08, 2024 8:15 am

In post 2027, Klick wrote: I have a relatively useless PR given our current situation and I think my day play also extracts most of its value today

I would have preferred you didnt mention having a PR, considering Cid can give at most 7, and we dont know if any landed on scum.
...
Actually if Cid gave that ability to Gamma then it's 100% possible both of you are town now that i think about it.

Sakura Hana · Mon Jan 08, 2024 8:24 am

Ok, so, the only way to escape this situation is if either of you is Cid. From what i read in post 1 as long as Cid is in Civilian form they wont be fully eliminated when eliminated and can return afterwards. I dont see any other way of avoiding an elimination.

Sakura Hana · Mon Jan 08, 2024 8:25 am

Although i guess if any of you were you'd have claimed by now.
So assumption #1: This is a scum factional ability and they had to choose 1 scum as one of the players.
assumption #2: Cid mistakenly gave a power to scum Gamma and that's what Gamma got.

Sakura Hana · Mon Jan 08, 2024 8:26 am

Anyway, ill just say that I have a mech guilty on pooky and leave it at that.

Sakura Hana · Mon Jan 08, 2024 8:29 am

Don't think i need to post the details, they'll be on my Last Will and you guys can figure it out from there if scum feel threatened enough by that statement to kill me.

Sakura Hana · Mon Jan 08, 2024 8:35 am

In post 2054, Klick wrote:
In post 597, Klick wrote: {KawaiiKame, Sakura Hana, T3}
{Cephrir, Cakez, Alisae, ssbm_Kyouko}
{Luka, WhemeStar, Dunnstral}

{STD, Gamma, Penguin, Pooky, Chungus, jjh}

Is a rough estimate of my current reads
Cmonnnn STD/Penguin/jjh 2 scum for the golden PoE

I had my doubts about pooky yday since dunn flipped town, specially coz i already doubted his case once until dunn commited ellitell.
Funnily enough Gamma was the one who supported my Ellitell and now Gamma's conf scum.
Now

@Luka

care to elaborate why you have Pooky as confident town?

Sakura Hana · Mon Jan 08, 2024 8:39 am

OH yeah, i almost forgot dunn said "kill pooky"

Sakura Hana · Mon Jan 08, 2024 8:41 am

In post 2063, SirCakez wrote: This is gonna be boring for a while we have our next three eliminations set I wish we could autopilot the game or something lol

Probably, but it doesnt hurt to brainstorm and solve while we have more living people.

Sakura Hana · Mon Jan 08, 2024 8:42 am

In post 2064, SirCakez wrote: Watch Pooky come in here and CC Sakura with some fake ass PR claim bc he has to

Rememinds me of that one time Romance hard guilty'd you in FFXIV ARR and the first thing you did was claim Ascetic.

Sakura Hana · Mon Jan 08, 2024 8:44 am

In post 2067, SirCakez wrote: That's the main thing we need to get as much as we can from luka/Klick/you/StD before scum NKs y'all

It's also why i'm not voting yet.

Sakura Hana · Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:09 am

I do think a scum pooky makes a scum cakez unlikely.

Sakura Hana · Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:09 am

Otherwise it's like pooky literally entered cross busing with Gamma and then Cross bused with Cakez like ??? feels weird.

Sakura Hana · Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:10 am

However the way Pooky interacted with Klick when he freaked out about "THE UNIT" is more likely Klick's town as well, well i was already townread Klick anyway.

Sakura Hana · Mon Jan 08, 2024 10:12 am

In post 2101, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 2049, Sakura Hana wrote: Anyway, ill just say that I have a mech guilty on pooky and leave it at that.

i have been framed

Framed? What?

Sakura Hana · Mon Jan 08, 2024 10:19 am

I'm curious what you mean here because i thought a role like Framer falls under the Bastard category?

Sakura Hana · Mon Jan 08, 2024 10:26 am

As someone once said:
It takes minutes to paraphrase your role pm, but crafting a fake role PM takes an eternity.

Sakura Hana · Mon Jan 08, 2024 11:46 am

In post 2124, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 2102, Alisae wrote:
In post 2101, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 2049, Sakura Hana wrote: Anyway, ill just say that I have a mech guilty on pooky and leave it at that.

i have been framed
ok
explain yourself

I take it as you dont have an explanation then.

Sakura Hana · Mon Jan 08, 2024 11:54 am

In post 2131, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: i have the same role pm as dunnstral except my character is hotter

I see, thanks for confirming that.

Sakura Hana · Mon Jan 08, 2024 11:54 am

Now i have no doubt in my mind that you're scum.

Sakura Hana · Mon Jan 08, 2024 4:56 pm

In post 2139, Katsuki wrote: PICK ANY ONE OR THREE

I'll go with pink thanks.

Sakura Hana · Tue Jan 09, 2024 5:45 am

In post 2152, Alisae wrote: Sakura no need to give out any more information.

Only problem is if scum has some Janitor style role.

Sakura Hana · Tue Jan 09, 2024 5:51 am

It would be helpful if Pooky would claim.

Sakura Hana · Tue Jan 09, 2024 5:54 am

In post 2130, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: there is absolutely nothing in my role that hints that I could trigger any kind of guilty

However this tells me that it probably wouldn't help in the end.

Sakura Hana · Tue Jan 09, 2024 6:20 am

In post 2162, jjh927 wrote:
In post 2131, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: i have the same role pm as dunnstral except my character is hotter
That looks like a claim to me

That's what i'm taking as a claim, which means Pooky is scum.

Sakura Hana · Tue Jan 09, 2024 6:42 am

Gamma's claimed scum, Pooky's also scum although he's not claimed scum, I think eliminating known scum (Gamma) is better but Alisae's right that going for the head might be better, but that's a future us problem.

Sakura Hana · Tue Jan 09, 2024 7:56 am

Well seems like everyone's done with this day phase huh
VOTE: Luka

Sakura Hana · Tue Jan 09, 2024 8:57 am

In post 2177, jjh927 wrote: VOTE: No EliminationVOTE:

Did anyone try voting no elim or are we just assuming it won't work

Otherwise yeah

Yes, we already tried.

Sakura Hana · Fri Jan 12, 2024 8:21 am

In post 2211, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: VOTE: gamma

for STD

You're funny

VOTE: Pooky

Sakura Hana · Fri Jan 12, 2024 8:30 am

Also that's a shitty thing to do replacing out after being caught and claiming scum, you can just prod dodge if you dont have time anymore imo.

Sakura Hana · Fri Jan 12, 2024 8:31 am

In post 2218, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: gamma got banned

Oh nevermind then

Sakura Hana · Fri Jan 12, 2024 8:31 am

In that case i retract my previous message

Sakura Hana · Fri Jan 12, 2024 8:38 am

In post 2222, Katsuki wrote: yeah thats mostly why I wanna vote gamma, just to both save FB the trouble and its a really shitty situation for someone to have to replace into a confscum slot.

Yeah I agree about it being a shitty situation for someone to replace into, but i would rather eliminate pooky for mech reasons.

Sakura Hana · Fri Jan 12, 2024 8:44 am

Well i guess i should probably claim and explain, specially since im probably dying next.