Open 890 - C9++ - Postgame

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Aureal

She knows my scum game now, we must lim her before it is too late!

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Aureal

She knows my scum game now, we must lim her before it is too late!

VOTE: Aureal

aureal wagon too juicy to pass up

Get in on the ground floor people!

Aureal must be stopped!!

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Aureal

She knows my scum game now, we must lim her before it is too late!

Tempting as it is to go after you, 'fraid I gotta VOTE: RCEnigma here. You can cook, but we gotta policy this guy.

I imagine Alianna re rolled the game as much as it took for RC not to roll scum haha

[Doctor Drew]

Meh I'm not vibing with RC here

But I want to sheep Enchant after how he found scum!FL in the micro that just ended.

Enchant do I have permission to vote RC or should I stay on Kitty?

Tell me what your impression of Enchant's general read accuracy is

Aisa! Forgot you signed up for this game lol.

I will say Enchant is sneaky good when they want to be.

And I don't hate Dragon sheeping then in this manor, this is definitely something I would do as town.

[Doctor Drew]

UNVOTE: um whoever that was

VOTE: biancospino

how serious is this?

VOTE: yessiree
oh, you

tryhard

You take that back right now

I can't be labelled a tryhard noooooooooooo

You tryeasy??

[Doctor Drew]

UNVOTE: um whoever that was

VOTE: biancospino

how serious is this?

not at all but may as well get a wagon going

but yeah the reason i asked is because you made an effort to unvote, so there was a clear bit of posturing

was there anything specific you saw from bianco that made you want to wagon them? there was already a wagon on aureal that you could've joined

i feel bad after NIM

Why did you feel bad?

And yes, I asked.

[Doctor Drew]

And I don't hate Dragon sheeping then in this manor, this is definitely something I would do as town.

.....are you claiming not town?

Huh?

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Xegarus
VOTE: camelCasedSnivy
VOTE: biancospino
VOTE: yessiree
VOTE: RCEnigma
VOTE: Aisa
VOTE: Aureal
VOTE: KittyTacky
VOTE: Celebloki
VOTE: Not_Mafia
VOTE: Doctor Drew
VOTE: KatyKimFanClub

Enchant locktown.

Is this serious?

Oh, I'm actually townreading that post if that's what you mean, but the locktown isn't 100% serious.

And I don't hate Dragon sheeping then in this manor, this is definitely something I would do as town.

.....are you claiming not town?

Huh?

nvm I just realized last time I pushed something like this as a scumslip it was our doctor. So this is probably makes you town if anything.

Pedit: Enchant is this directed at me or Drew?

I don't even understand how that could be taken as a slip.

That is my confusion.

[Doctor Drew]

Doc! I feel like we keep crossing paths for really brief periods of time

Re: Dragon sheeping Enchant, I don't understand:
- If there's anything to Enchant's vote beside "Kitty claimed jester and I didn't like that"
- What DragonEater "saw" as the reasoning behind Enchant's vote
- If Dragon is being serious

Do you have a take on any of these things?

Okay let me clarify:

I do not have a serious scumread on Kitty. I think his posts were not very spectacular when I voted him, but it was a semi-RVS vote (or more like 75% RVS).

If I'm being fully honest, I also don't really know what I saw. I guess that maybe as an "RVS-read" I thought that Kitty was trying to avoid engagement and pocket NM? Not sure.

I am more weary about what Dragon was trying to pull saying I slipped

And Dragon, seems a bit nasty to say someone is trying to avoid engagement in rvs, no?

[Doctor Drew]

*hasty not nasty, though maybe is a bit nasty as well lol

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: yessiree
Serious vote. I don't really like his pushes on either KittyTacky or RCEnigma.

i would buy that if it was like page 2 or 3, even then i still disagree with that assessment

i dont like ur implication that people posted nothing but fluff for the past 8 pages

I personally don't really have any well-developed reads yet. I know that with the way I play I'm likely to change my mind later so sometimes on page 10 it's just easier not to talk about how I think not_mafia is towny because he posted twice in a row (not a real read).

i would buy that if it was like page 2 or 3, even then i still disagree with that assessment

i dont like ur implication that people posted nothing but fluff for the past 8 pages

Not what I said. I said I didn’t find any of it town indicative.

echoing DE's sentiment

it seems like you're more interested in getting bogged down with "I said this, I didn't say that" arguments, than to have dialog that's more useful in helping to read you better

I don't like how in the first post yessiree says

implication

(which, well, implies it's not something that RCE said but an inference that yessiree is trying to draw), but when RCE tries to correct what he meant it becomes "now you're getting bogged down in meaningless arguments". I think corrections like this are fine?

@yessiree:

can you clarify if your scumread of Kitty is because he cannot justify his read on RCE or because he is posting in short bursts in general?

I was just coming in here to say that I think yess is town here, and it is pretty all based on meta and their loosey goosey tone here.

[Doctor Drew]

lol thanks for the consult on emojis everyone <3

KittyTacky claiming that Dragon and Drew are not paired in 115 (not sure how he arrived at this read tbh) seems somewhat in line with !town meta.

I don't think people are that good at balancing how soon they give reads as !town vs !scum.

What do you think the difference between Kitty town and scum metas is?
I have my own outrageous random guess I can share later btw

@KKFC

I'm still interested in getting an answer to this

Sorry, missed this.

First, I don't know Kitty's scum meta at all. I just personally find his entrance to the game to be really close to his entrance in a game where I played with him and he was town. I'm operating with a really small sample size, but as I mentioned, I think these are things (to be specific, the tone and style of the entrance and the willingness to make super early reads and decisions) that are noticeable enough for me to put weight into them even with a single game to compare to.

Just reading your 129 here, wouldn't Kitty knowing Dragon and I aren't paired be something that you would expect from scumKitty?

[Doctor Drew]

IDK I feel RC's push on me is fabricated.

I was just scum with RC(until he couldn't stand being scum with me and ghosted me lol). And I don't think I see that RC here, at least not feeling it in my gut.

I have been wanting to iso him though, should be more active going forward.....busy last few days.

Dragon, why would you say his push on you is fabricated?

[Doctor Drew]

No VC, but this pagetop is mine!

Also this reminds me, no way Alianna would allow RC to role scum in one of her games.

I pictured her re rolling the roles as much as possible until RC was town haha.

[Doctor Drew]

I have been wanting to iso him though, should be more active going forward.....busy last few days.

i'd like ur take on aureal if possible
i've never gotten the kind of vibes ive gotten from her before as either alignment, and that scares me, i dont like to be scared

Ok will do, I did think she would be all over after last game after all lol.

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: yessiree
Serious vote. I don't really like his pushes on either KittyTacky or RCEnigma.

i would buy that if it was like page 2 or 3, even then i still disagree with that assessment

i dont like ur implication that people posted nothing but fluff for the past 8 pages

I personally don't really have any well-developed reads yet. I know that with the way I play I'm likely to change my mind later so sometimes on page 10 it's just easier not to talk about how I think not_mafia is towny because he posted twice in a row (not a real read).

this wasn't a push so much as an attempt to sort RCE, out of respect for his scum game (he's a slippery weasel, ask Aureal ).

Wow, look at me, RVS voting someone and leaving my vote there even as a wagon suddenly builds around it. How suspicious of me!

Well that was a quick iso lol.

Nothing stands out too much with here, outside of this post which is a bit chippy towards you Yess........but Aureal is always a bit chippy.

Gotta see a bit more from her tbh.

[Doctor Drew]

Chippy? I don't have chips, I have popcorn to sit back and watch the show.

Well you you on the sidelines eating popcorn like MichaelJackson.gif is the one thing giving me pause to call you town lol

[Doctor Drew]

Michael Jackson? Sure, but you know what comes after that?

Uhh, I have nothing but inappropriate responses to this.

[Doctor Drew]

I think it's pretty amazing that RC thinks he has a town read from a couple of Day 1 posts that probably weren't very serious.

I get pretty strong town reads from Aisa, Drew, and yessiree. I am also tending towards town reads from Kitty, KatyKimFanClub, and Enchant.

SNYBED doesn't seem to be doing a very good job of actually being a block. In one post Snivy admonishes DragonEater for changing his vote to leave a wagon, and then later on changes his vote shortly after DragonEater goes back on it. I'd say there's possibly more than 1 scum in the block.

Can you tell me about your Drew town read?
VOTE: Celebloki

At the time I made that post, in the Dragon vs. Drew slip exchange I just got town vibes from him. His posts since then have been pretty null and I wouldn't call my town read on him "solid" anymore, but I am still leaning that way.

Ok! Can you describe in a bit more detail why that exchange gave you town vibes?

Do really think that I am scum? Trying to figure out your endgame here.....

Or is this about cele?

[Doctor Drew]

lol thanks for the consult on emojis everyone <3

KittyTacky claiming that Dragon and Drew are not paired in 115 (not sure how he arrived at this read tbh) seems somewhat in line with !town meta.

I don't think people are that good at balancing how soon they give reads as !town vs !scum.

What do you think the difference between Kitty town and scum metas is?
I have my own outrageous random guess I can share later btw

@KKFC

I'm still interested in getting an answer to this

Sorry, missed this.

First, I don't know Kitty's scum meta at all. I just personally find his entrance to the game to be really close to his entrance in a game where I played with him and he was town. I'm operating with a really small sample size, but as I mentioned, I think these are things (to be specific, the tone and style of the entrance and the willingness to make super early reads and decisions) that are noticeable enough for me to put weight into them even with a single game to compare to.

Thanks!

I think my main message was that I'm not sure that's actually town indicative for him, he could be TMI'ing the read

My outrageous random guess was something like "maybe Kitty just posts less as town" (because he feels less pressure to be seen as productive) but that probably not true lol

Have you gone back to that interaction between dragon and drew?

I literally don't see any issue with that outside of scumDragon trying to force something.

[Doctor Drew]

Do really think that I am scum? Trying to figure out your endgame here.....

Or is this about cele?

Do you think I should already be townreading you?

No, I was just curious on what your questioning was with Cele since it did involve their read on me. Don't really feel I am have done enough to be hard read on either alignment, that was kinda my greater point.

Though your explanation made sense, I was too focused on me lol.

[Doctor Drew]

Hi *waves*

You didn't ask about Yess lol, but I don't get how they can say they are an expert at reading me. By my counts we have played two games together, I was scum in one and town the other(yess was the opposite alignment both times). And they were way less engaged when I was town(even though we shared a hood). If anything I should be the expert at reading him since I called him scum that game basically right off the bat(but I am not that arrogant lol).

As far as RC, the aforementioned scum game RC was my buddy. Like I said it is gut, but they seem less calculated here as in the scum game. It isn't a a solid read since I have had trouble correctly reading him in the past, but was just my first instinct to say they are town here. I also don't like when people pile on someone super early in a game, especially for a reason I didn't see.

Also I will stand by my belief that no way Alianna let's RC be scum in a game modded by here lol.

Pre Edit: Ya but they also could just be setting up some pocketing. Especially you just said you, and many others, have trouble making a fake scum read seem legit.

[Doctor Drew]

Are we

still

talking about Kitty's easy read of people not being partnered? Do people actually think he won't do that as town because he sure does.

Agenda'd opinion: Drew and Dragon are definitely scum together because that first read of people not being paired was exactly the scum pair

You finally see me as scum yet you still can't read me lol. Tsk tsk.

[Doctor Drew]

This isn't the last you hear from me Drew but woahh! That was a kinda towny post

Don't worry, I am only good for one or two of those a game.

[Doctor Drew]

I am going to very tentatively propose a collaboration. Where do you think I should put my vote?

That is a lot of responsibility lol.

I like the vote on Cele, part of me wants to get votes on Enchant to see if that actually start using their words.

[Doctor Drew]

But how about you join me on some OMGUS towards yess?

VOTE: yess

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Doctor Drew

VOTE: Doctor Drew

whats up with these

can someone translate

I read the last thing as they are fine with me being limmed, but also may be saying they don't understand yess sheeping them.

[Doctor Drew]

But how about you join me on some OMGUS towards yess?

VOTE: yess

Last I checked you were TRing him?

VOTE: Doctor Drew

VOTE: Doctor Drew

whats up with these

can someone translate

Something about a shrug

Drew (glasses) and Kitty (kitty) are ok (thumbs up) to be eliminated (axe)

I thought they seemed townie from their entrance to the game(yess I mean). They were more loosey goosey then the game when they were scum.

But their post I mentioned where they said they can read me perfectly is rubbing me the wrong way.

And I always like to dance with yess.

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Doctor Drew

Great point, let's do it

VOTE: Doctor Drew

[Doctor Drew]

You didn't ask about Yess lol, but I don't get how they can say they are an expert at reading me. By my counts we have played two games together, I was scum in one and town the other(yess was the opposite alignment both times). And they were way less engaged when I was town(even though we shared a hood).

Man, everyone really

does

want to forget about Fire and Ice.

Wait, if we all forget about that game does that mean I've been town every game this year?

Was Yess in Fire and Ice?

[Doctor Drew]

He replaced into Python's slot, yeah.

Oh I was dead at that point....I think?

[Doctor Drew]

Not at all, lol

Python repping out cut me deeply apparently lol

[Doctor Drew]

Drew, c'mon buddy I said in over easy that I remember *all* the games I play. we have 4 games together, fire and ice, swinger's hall, trustfall, and over easy, the first 3 you were town, I finally obtained the last piece of the puzzle when u rolled scum in over easy, so yeah I think I AM good at reading your tone

prepare to be correctly read by me

Oh ya, trust fall was just too easy lol.

I think I got disengaged in fire and ice......I keep forgetting Aureal was scum in that game as well lol.

BUT, you aren't doing a good job of reading me here so far lol.

How am I doing at reading you?

[Doctor Drew]

Drew, c'mon buddy I said in over easy that I remember *all* the games I play. we have 4 games together, fire and ice, swinger's hall, trustfall, and over easy, the first 3 you were town, I finally obtained the last piece of the puzzle when u rolled scum in over easy, so yeah I think I AM good at reading your tone

prepare to be correctly read by me

baa
VOTE: Drew

Did Alianna give a secret wincon to everyone not name RCenigma and Doctor Drew or something? Like you win if you lim one of these guys D1? Is she that angry at us from over easy? I said you should have watched RC N1, don't take your vengeance out on us now lol.

I am at E-2......who wants to put me at E-1??

[Doctor Drew]

Drew, c'mon buddy I said in over easy that I remember *all* the games I play. we have 4 games together, fire and ice, swinger's hall, trustfall, and over easy, the first 3 you were town, I finally obtained the last piece of the puzzle when u rolled scum in over easy, so yeah I think I AM good at reading your tone

prepare to be correctly read by me

Oh ya, trust fall was just too easy lol.

I think I got disengaged in fire and ice......I keep forgetting Aureal was scum in that game as well lol.

BUT, you aren't doing a good job of reading me here so far lol.

How am I doing at reading you?

tbh I don't think you're doing so hot

I didn't say my read on u was super strong in 400, it was mostly a gut read, so i dont get how you immediately jumped to OMGUS and discredit that? I do think you would've reacted differently as town here, so my vote is now semi serious

as for how you're reading me. I feel like i've been obvtowning (shameless confirmation bias I know), so there are lots of stuff you can use to read me. Well, the only read you have that I see is you're leaning town on me for differences in tone between this game and swinger's hall? It's weird how quickly you progressed from that to OMGUSing me right after I voted you though

pedit: maybe you should unvote urself

Well you saying you were an expert at reading me is what through me off, was a head scratcher for me......especially since my greater point of you being scum in now half the games we played, you didn't have to properly read me......and in trustfall I was basically conf town pretty early on, given the mechanics of that game.

So ya I joked about the OMGUS nature of my vote on you, but it was more about what I just described here.

[Doctor Drew]

THIS IS A CONSPIRACY RC!!!!!

VOTE: Yess

But no one had the cojones to put me at E-1, and I do feel better about yess scum actually now since he thinks my vote was based off OMGUS

[Doctor Drew]

THIS IS A CONSPIRACY RC!!!!!

VOTE: Yess

But no one had the cojones to put me at E-1, and I do feel better about yess scum actually now since he thinks my vote was based off OMGUS

no one else posted in that span of 20 min what is this premature celebration

But how about you join me on some OMGUS towards yess?

VOTE: yess

my vote is now omega serious

LETS DANCE

I was hoping I could whip out a patented Drew fake claim, but alas.....will have to wait.

And my vote is the Alpha to your Omega

[Doctor Drew]

I messed up my pre edit quote as well lol.

Bianco, I changed my tune on Yess once he said he could read me so well.

Which objectively cannot be true given the, what I thought was just two games initially, but now backed up by the other 2 games we played I forgot about.

It just doesn't make sense.

And there reaction since we started dancing, especially since he is really focusing on the omgus post by me, is telling.

[Doctor Drew]

I am curious what the reasoning is behind the recent Drew votes are.

VOTE: Doctor Drew

VOTE: Doctor Drew

whats up with these

I don't get why people are scumreading Drew? I think it's from his exchange with Aureal, but I don't really see anything scummy there. In fact Drew is probably slightly +town for that exchange, for being cheeky.

I'm good at tone reading Drew, actually I'm bit of an expert (not to toot my own horn ) Drew is always cheeky but there are subtle differences between his town cheekyness and scum cheekyness. It's hard to categorize exactly but as town I'd say he is more solve-y and in the moment, and as scum he's more agenda-y and pocket-y

his plays here feel more like the latter, and it's also weird how he kept trying to assert RC is town for jokester reasons

but these are not super strong reads, I'm happy voting with enchant - my boy from the bloc

Let's break this down.

Fire and Ice - I was town. Yess repps into a scum slot......given the multiball setup he may have to read me a bit but I was disengaged by this point and was NK'ed soon after(and I was way more snarky and a bit of an asshole that game)

Trust Fall - Was conf town pretty early like I said, that game was actually too easy imo(but terrifying at points lol)......

Swingers - He was scum again, we were in a lovers hood. I thought he seemed much different here initially, and may be that first instinct is correct, but again.....as scum he has no reason to really try to read me correctly.

Over Easy - I was scum, and I was objectively maybe more snarky then I am as town, but how he came to I am scum here based off that game? Makes no sense since I wasn't really active at all here when he made this post.

How would you become an expert at reading me here enough to understand the nuances between my town and scum game, which btw.....others in this same game admit they have difficulty with?

And I said I feel from the gut that RC was town this game, especially after just being their buddy.

You are putting words in my mouth, and basically making things up.

Pre Edit: Bianco, fair enough......but why don't you think yess could be scum here?

[Doctor Drew]

Bianco, I changed my tune on Yess once he said he could read me so well.

Which objectively cannot be true given the, what I thought was just two games initially, but now backed up by the other 2 games we played I forgot about.

It just doesn't make sense.

why does me claiming I can tone read you well make me scum?

pedit: ok but why would I fake that confidence as scum? And what would I gain by doing that, especially since you were already townleaning me I had no reason to change this status quo. I think it's more telling that you're freaking out over this by asserting I must be scum, rather than approaching this logically

like I said, I'm an expert at reading your tone, I still stand by this, and I am gonna correctly read you here whether you like it or not lol

I try to find things that don't make sense, and it doesn't make sense to me that you say you are an expert at reading me, tonally or otherwise.

Maybe I am too focused on that aspect, but when I have a reputation for being hard to read.......and someone says 'oh Drew, he is easy to read like a nursey rhyme'.......red flags go up.

Especially with how the games we have played together have gone.

[Doctor Drew]

And I said I feel from the gut that RC was town this game, especially after just being their buddy.

You are putting words in my mouth, and basically making things up.

you did say Gut but you also posted these which is what I was referring to as "jokester reasoning" for calling RC town
like if you posted once, fine haha it's jokes all good, but you did that twice which is sounding alarms in my head

VOTE: Aureal

She knows my scum game now, we must lim her before it is too late!

Tempting as it is to go after you, 'fraid I gotta VOTE: RCEnigma here. You can cook, but we gotta policy this guy.

I imagine Alianna re rolled the game as much as it took for RC not to roll scum haha

No VC, but this pagetop is mine!

Also this reminds me, no way Alianna would allow RC to role scum in one of her games.

I pictured her re rolling the roles as much as possible until RC was town haha.

Alianna has a history of never rolling scum, but especially never rolling scum in games where RC rolls scum. It is a thing between these two.

RC even mentioned in Over Easy post game that he should be a policy lim going forward.....hence these jokey posts I made.

And see this is what I mean, you claim to understand me and read me well......yet are taking my shit posting as.....real?

Doesn't.....add.....up.

Pre Edit: I admitted I may be focusing on it too much, and maybe am even tunneling a bit........but there is 'I can read Drew so well'..........yet you don't even read my serious posts vs jokey posts well.

[Doctor Drew]

ofc I know you were shitposting
honestly I'm more concerned that you expected anyone to not take those as shitposts when the reasoning is "no way the mod would give him a scum role"

it's the fact that you posted not once but twice that makes me think this is not just you haha posting but that you actually had an agenda

I did have an agenda.

To make Alianna laugh and post about it in her Mod PT

[Doctor Drew]

God dammit, I think we are just two rams butting heads for no reason.

UNVOTE:

Maybe we aren't used to both being town together?

(besides trust fall)

[Doctor Drew]

Three days to deadline, I'm struggling to decide who I want to eliminate.

In my ideal world I'd come into the thread with two nice, developed, competing wagons to pick from, supported by nice cases that someone else has made for me.

While currently I have thinnish reads on most people and I feel like there haven't been a lot of serious pushes

I'm gonna go and try to figure out how I can feel better about picking an elimination

Well, nuke to the head, who would you lim right now if you could?

[Doctor Drew]

Woah, the whole threat of nuclear war hanging over my head?

Maybe still Celebloki (hi Celebloki btw. Hope you're finding getting used to things around here ok and sorry you're kinda having to do extra reading on people if you're town?? What's making it hard to get reads from this game alone?)

I think yessiree is town sorry I'm not sheeping that. Damn, I knew this collaboration would fall apart as soon as I proposed it... then again you're the one putting a nuke to my head!!

Oh you might have missed it, but I think yess and I were just butting heads and being stubborn. Really do think they are town, sometimes you just gotta dance with someone a bit to figure them out.

I would settle for Cele, but getting more towing vibes from them now.

But I am with you, no clear scum read for me right now.

My hero play would be Aureal, something seems off from her recent posts.

[Doctor Drew]

Oh you can never trust ol Dick-Baggs' reads

[Doctor Drew]

My hero play would be Aureal, something seems off from her recent posts.

More than anything I feel like there's a lack of content!
We can hero wagon her if you want, I'd feel bad about it but I can't think of a slot I wouldn't feel bad about voting lol
VOTE: Aureal

I keep saying nuke as as an homage to the Defcon game that just ended.

In that game I was scum and said that Firebringer(who was town) could control who I nuke. They chose T3 who was my scum buddy, nuked that sumbitch without thinking of it.

Almost rode that town cred to victory.

I say that because you seem to easily swayed to vote Aureal just based of a feeling I have.

How many days to deadline do we have?

[Doctor Drew]

My hero play would be Aureal, something seems off from her recent posts.

More than anything I feel like there's a lack of content!
We can hero wagon her if you want, I'd feel bad about it but I can't think of a slot I wouldn't feel bad about voting lol
VOTE: Aureal

I keep saying nuke as as an homage to the Defcon game that just ended.

In that game I was scum and said that Firebringer(who was town) could control who I nuke. They chose T3 who was my scum buddy, nuked that sumbitch without thinking of it.

Almost rode that town cred to victory.

I say that because you seem to easily swayed to vote Aureal just based of a feeling I have.

How many days to deadline do we have?

Oh, more then 3 days......we can do this and see what happens.

VOTE: Aureal

[Doctor Drew]

and Drew should trust me more instead of being paranoid cuz if he's town here I will correctly read that too

Doubling down on the Drew expertise eh, lol

Yeah I really think I have him downloaded lol. I can't say the the same about literally anyone else

Well then include me in the list of people you don't have downloaded.

I legit get scummy vibes from Drew

You might not be Mafia, but you are not correct here.

[Doctor Drew]

and Drew should trust me more instead of being paranoid cuz if he's town here I will correctly read that too

Doubling down on the Drew expertise eh, lol

Yeah I really think I have him downloaded lol. I can't say the the same about literally anyone else

Well then include me in the list of people you don't have downloaded.

This is pretty bad tbh. If you're town, it's weird of you to preemptively prepare the terrain for yess

not

to eventually townread you

VOTE: Drew

No, I was just saying he was wrong calling me scum.

Just like everyone else voting me is wrong

[Doctor Drew]

Can we have a new bloc that’s me, drew, and aureal?

Sorry, I can't break my alignment with Aisa.

[Doctor Drew]

My hero play would be Aureal, something seems off from her recent posts.

is this all you're voting aureal for?

No, after I said that......like literally right after the post of mine you quoted.....Aisa said she had some issues with Aureal.

That initially gave me some paranoia about Aisa since she quickly jumped on Aureal, but then saw we had like 3 days till deadline at that point so could see how this plays out.

And apparently it played out to me being scum?

And all because Dragon had a weird way if reading one of my posts......so Dragon and Drew must be buddies!!

And especially coming from some people I have played a bunch of games with, and the one person who looked at my most recent scum game(over easy) and saw differences here in my play, yet two of the three people here from that very game.....still think I am scum......boggles my mind they can have that takeaway.

Sorry, been busy at work and just needed to vent a bit before I am limmed.

Btw, I am VT.....just to get that out of the way.

[Doctor Drew]

I kinda want to vote Drew. But that would mean moving my vote off RCE and that would make me sad.

[Doctor Drew]

I guess you forgot you posted 503

[Doctor Drew]

That doesn't answer the question

Yes I did see that post before, but obviously something changed if you want to vote me now.

[Doctor Drew]

Can we have a new bloc that’s me, drew, and aureal?

Sorry, I can't break my alignment with Aisa.

Aisa is invited.

I will bring it up in the PT

[Doctor Drew]

You actually think I would earnestly suggest that the Mod would purposely make sure RC isn't scum? I really hope you are joking and I just don't get it. That is crazy if you thought I was being serious. You are reading some of my posts in a way that, and I will say it again, boggles my mind. Honestly, if you are being earnest, I am somewhat insulted you would say I think Alianna, or any other mod for that matter, would do that.

And yes, looking for easy lims.......everyone has been talking about how they are just waiting for a Cele or Enchant wagon to start, right?

[Doctor Drew]

My last few posts have probably come off a bit too aggressive, I apologize for that. Just getting a bit frustrated here.

[Doctor Drew]

You actually think I would earnestly suggest that the Mod would purposely make sure RC isn't scum? I really hope you are joking and I just don't get it. That is crazy if you thought I was being serious. You are reading some of my posts in a way that, and I will say it again, boggles my mind. Honestly, if you are being earnest, I am somewhat insulted you would say I think Alianna, or any other mod for that matter, would do that.

And yes, looking for easy lims.......everyone has been talking about how they are just waiting for a Cele or Enchant wagon to start, right?

Like I thought it was a joke but it feels weird that you are repeating that joke like, 3? 4? times

What am I supposed to make of it?

It just feels like a weird way to defend RC

It is a weird way because it was a joke about RC always being scum in games where Alianna is also playing, simple as that.

[Doctor Drew]

That doesn't answer the question

Yes I did see that post before, but obviously something changed if you want to vote me now.

Well I kinda expected a flippant response to it, since you apparently were thinking that I thought the opposite. Not reacting to it seemed sorta like trying to take the townread and not mess with it. So I got more worried. But I wasn't sure if you even saw 431 since it could've easily gotten missed with us posting at the same time. So I posted 503 to see if you'd complain about the inconsistency.

Nobody else did either, for that matter.

Now I'm confused.

Now I am confused as well lol.

If I am looking for how someone reads me, I look for the latest post they made that either blatantly posts the read, or in the case of your 503, heavily suggests how they are reading me.

That's all.

Pre Edit: Fair enough dragon, tbf I was mainly making the joke to make Alianna laugh in the mod PT lol

[Doctor Drew]

Drew, would you consider voting for RCE? Dragon, would you consider voting for Aureal? I'm desperate for a wagon that isn't Drew here

why not add on to the pressure?

I have a weird feeling about Drew's slot, like a lot of things he does (including voting Yess and defending RC) feel really weird, and even though I kinda wanna call it scummy I also kinda don't? Like I won't be really surprised if Drew flipped scum but if he flipped town I would be like "shit I should've known something was off"

That's the kind of feeling that I have, so I rather vote for someone who I feel I won't have that feeling with

This is where I was 48 hours ago. I'm at a more terminal stage now, Drew is my top townread

I mean, if it came down to RC vs me, then yes. It isn't like I have them as lock town or anything.

[Doctor Drew]

and Drew should trust me more instead of being paranoid cuz if he's town here I will correctly read that too

Doubling down on the Drew expertise eh, lol

Yeah I really think I have him downloaded lol. I can't say the the same about literally anyone else

Well then include me in the list of people you don't have downloaded.

This is pretty bad tbh. If you're town, it's weird of you to preemptively prepare the terrain for yess

not

to eventually townread you

VOTE: Drew

No, I was just saying he was wrong calling me scum.

Just like everyone else voting me is wrong

you can't simultaneous claim to have a sophisticated game and complain about getting scumread

Not sure what you mean here.

I don't claim to have a sophisticated game, I feel like I am easy to read if you play a few games with me(or at least, easy to suss out town Drew).

But there are many people on this site who get baffled by me for some reason. so it makes me say 'hmmm' when someone claims to be able to read me so perfectly(ie you)......especially when said read is wrong here.

[Doctor Drew]

You actually think I would earnestly suggest that the Mod would purposely make sure RC isn't scum? I really hope you are joking and I just don't get it. That is crazy if you thought I was being serious. You are reading some of my posts in a way that, and I will say it again, boggles my mind. Honestly, if you are being earnest, I am somewhat insulted you would say I think Alianna, or any other mod for that matter, would do that.

And yes, looking for easy lims.......everyone has been talking about how they are just waiting for a Cele or Enchant wagon to start, right?

Like I thought it was a joke but it feels weird that you are repeating that joke like, 3? 4? times

What am I supposed to make of it?

It just feels like a weird way to defend RC

It is a weird way because it was a joke about RC always being scum in games where Alianna is also playing, simple as that.

feeling validated that dragon saw what i saw here
i dont think it's reasonable to assume you're still joking when you make the same joke 3 times, i just dont

Spoiler:

VOTE: Aureal

She knows my scum game now, we must lim her before it is too late!

Tempting as it is to go after you, 'fraid I gotta VOTE: RCEnigma here. You can cook, but we gotta policy this guy.

I imagine Alianna re rolled the game as much as it took for RC not to roll scum haha

alright it's a joke lol

No VC, but this pagetop is mine!

Also this reminds me, no way Alianna would allow RC to role scum in one of her games.

I pictured her re rolling the roles as much as possible until RC was town haha.

hmm

Hi *waves*

You didn't ask about Yess lol, but I don't get how they can say they are an expert at reading me. By my counts we have played two games together, I was scum in one and town the other(yess was the opposite alignment both times). And they were way less engaged when I was town(even though we shared a hood). If anything I should be the expert at reading him since I called him scum that game basically right off the bat(but I am not that arrogant lol).

As far as RC, the aforementioned scum game RC was my buddy. Like I said it is gut, but they seem less calculated here as in the scum game. It isn't a a solid read since I have had trouble correctly reading him in the past, but was just my first instinct to say they are town here. I also don't like when people pile on someone super early in a game, especially for a reason I didn't see.

Also I will stand by my belief that no way Alianna let's RC be scum in a game modded by here lol.

Pre Edit: Ya but they also could just be setting up some pocketing. Especially you just said you, and many others, have trouble making a fake scum read seem legit.

Reading the posts here, I get maybe I wasn't clear enough that I was joking......I do like blurring the lines a little too much when I shitpost sometimes.

But like I said to Dragon earlier.......who would take it seriously that I would be accusing the Mod of rigging the roles like that??

If I actually believed it, I would be PMing a list mod about it.......and again my main audience of the joke was the Mod, to hopefully make her laugh since she would get it.

Also, besides all that......how is that even a serious defense of RC? Like I would be the worst nooby scum player to actually use that as a serious defense.....and actually believe it.

Like, give me some credit as a player to not accuse the mod of cheating and not use this as a defense of a player

Pre Edit: Oh lol, I am just not used to being called sophisticated

[Doctor Drew]

Reading the posts here, I get maybe I wasn't clear enough that I was joking......I do like blurring the lines a little too much when I shitpost sometimes.

But like I said to Dragon earlier.......who would take it seriously that I would be accusing the Mod of rigging the roles like that??

If I actually believed it, I would be PMing a list mod about it.......and again my main audience of the joke was the Mod, to hopefully make her laugh since she would get it.

Personally, I suspect Alianna got so tired of rolling town that she decided to give herself all the scum roles here and all the rest of us are just town.

Now that is a theory I can get behind lol.

She actually just won a game as scum though.....she carried Flavor Leaf to victory.

Pre Edit: I am just as disappointed at being VT in this setup as you are Kitty

Pre Edit2: My read on RC isn't strong by any means, just an initial gut/tone assessment.......but I do do get where you are coming from in that I can see how I may have muddied the waters with my joke.

[Doctor Drew]

I'm for this flip as it gives some info on Dragon who I'm not too sure how to sort.

Is Dragon my VT buddy?

If not, only gonna make Enchant look bad.....and maybe you, your timing is weird since just when the tide seemed to be changing off of me.....you pop in and bring more momentum back onto me

Though Snivy is a sneaky one who nonchalantly joined my wagon

[Doctor Drew]

And ftr, I am fine being the lim......but I am gonna grill the hell out of a few people on my way out.

I want answers on why you think I am scum, and I want details.

Don't drop a vote behind some emojis or snipe a vote on me and not post for 36 hours.

I will go down swinging.

Pre Edit: I could be talked into that Snivy

[Doctor Drew]

Is Dragon my VT buddy?

What does this mean sorry?

Kitty said my flip could give info on you, which I tried to jokingly say it wouldn't since I am just a VT......it sounded funnier in my head lol

I wanted to ask you to explain your reads on RC and me but actually none of these reads make sense to me so could you just explain them all?

NM is obvious, he's been doing what he's done in every town game of his!

RCE you can look back into my ISO, and Aureal as an anti-associative to drew

You because I don't like your defense of the RCEnigma wagon and now you arent even on it

And Drew because he has made some awful posts

Can you quite these awful posts of mine and elaborate please?

[Doctor Drew]

Why choose bianco? Why not? I didn't want to vote anyone else who had any votes, they're townleans and myself. You gave me the perfect opportunity to pack up my 'gonna votepark RCE for lulz' gag and go with something even funnier.

On that note, why has Aisa apparently chosen me? Apparently because there were votes there and she really didn't want Drew. I'm finding it rather sus actually, now that she's come back and is still trying to push me even though I don't feel like her initial reasoning holds anymore. Saying I hadn't really been doing much was fair enough a few days back but I think I've been much more engaged the last couple of days so it feels like an argument she came up with earlier and doesn't want to reassess to show up now and say that.

Sucks being caught for the wrong reason, I get it.

Also, this fuels my ego that I have somewhat been the main focus of D1.......you all revolve around me hahaha

(This probably isn't a good thing for the gamestate lol)

[Doctor Drew]

Drew talk to me about your Aisa read.

I town read her overall.

I do get a bit weary when someone, such as she has done, solid town reads me relatively quickly, but that is also colored with paranoia. Plus I believe Aisa has a pretty good grasp of my play style and picking up on my town play.

I wouldn't someone giving her an investigation though, just to ease my paranoia a bit lol.

[Doctor Drew]

So we are limming a lurker at deadline?

If they flip town there are definitely some people who need to be power limmed tomorrow

[Doctor Drew]

So we are limming a lurker at deadline?

If they flip town there are definitely some people who need to be power limmed tomorrow

can we go back to this guy please?

and to top it all off he got 666

VOTE: Doctor Dre

First off, Doctor Dre is a fake ass studio gangster. You are just trying to insult me aren't you lol.

Second, you haven't responded to a post from yesterday where I asked you a specific and direct question.

Third, I am always adamant against not limming lurkers, especially at the end of the day when their are other viable wagons.

Fourth, if I were scum with KKFC, I have no issue with letting them die, and no issue with bussing a buddy. Look up my scum games.

Fifth, you should probably the head of the table of people who should be power limmed if this flips town.

[Doctor Drew]

So we are limming a lurker at deadline?

If they flip town there are definitely some people who need to be power limmed tomorrow

can we go back to this guy please?

and to top it all off he got 666

VOTE: Doctor Dre

First off, Doctor Dre is a fake ass studio gangster. You are just trying to insult me aren't you lol.

Second, you haven't responded to a post from yesterday where I asked you a specific and direct question.

Third, I am always adamant against not limming lurkers, especially at the end of the day when their are other viable wagons.

Fourth, if I were scum with KKFC, I have no issue with letting them die, and no issue with bussing a buddy. Look up my scum games.

Fifth, you should probably the head of the table of people who should be power limmed if this flips town.

Sixth, flip me and you and Enchant should be power limmed.

Seventh, what scum benefit do I have making that post.

[Doctor Drew]

oh but not kitty because hes your scum buddy or something

also the scum benefit is obvious: it really looks like you want to lik more townies tommorow. if you were town hopefully you wouldve understood the inital motovation behind it but i guess not

I did see, and limming then is easy since they can't come in and defend themselves.

Super easy Lim for scum to push with meh reasoning to push, with no consequence if it flips town.

This is why you don't lim lurkers as town.

[Doctor Drew]

So we are limming a lurker at deadline?

If they flip town there are definitely some people who need to be power limmed tomorrow

Zero percent chance I make this post as scum.....full stop.

If I were scum and KKFC is town, I would just let the wagon go through, probably even join it.

If they were scum, as I said, I have no issue with bussing and also probably would just join the wagon.

And I asked Snivy why they haven't responded to me since they said my posts have been awful.....with NO evidence to back it up......and even now still refuses to show examples of my 'awful' posting.

I would prefer Aureal or Snivy......if people are focused on limming a lurker then go after NM, at least a wildcard is gone......or like I said Enchant.

[Doctor Drew]

LIMMING A LURKER MAKES IT EASIER FOR SCUM TO HIND BEHIND AND TAKE NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE MIS LIM.

And if they are scum, offers little info on other scum.

I will stand behind this every single game I play.

[Doctor Drew]

Would you consider Aureal or Snivy lurkers

No.....I can at least remember posts they have made

[Doctor Drew]

Would you consider Aureal or Snivy lurkers

And they offer some info depending on the flip.

Snivy I am just thinking is obvScum here though

[Doctor Drew]

Would you consider Aureal or Snivy lurkers

And they offer some info depending on the flip.

Snivy I am just thinking is obvScum here though

is this just because I'm pushing you

No, because you yet to say what is 'awful' about my posts.

You simply just hopped on my wagon when you felt the mis Lim would happen.

[Doctor Drew]

I think my decision is made tbh and there isn't much drew can say to change my mind at this point (he's still welcome to try). The real question is, will there be 3 other votes for him

I won't be around before deadline.

But I take back what I said that you understand my town game lol.

I kinda hope you aren't scum, because no one will suss you out here.

Oh well, congrats for following Enchant trolling the game everyone.

Also, since apparently no one here knows my scum game.

Also a zero percent I claim VT, fake claims as scum is something I live for lol.

[Doctor Drew]

Meh, if anything I think that post, if Drew's scum, would quite possibly be him trying to intimidate people into not voting his partner KKFC. He did something of the sort when I was sussing him in ELO last time, trying to scare me off of voting him. But I'm still just not really feeling it. And I don't think a Not_Mafia wagon is suddenly happening here but I'll be around at deadline if you wanna prove me wrong.

VOTE: KatyKimFanClub

I intimidated to get votes off me......I don't try to save a buddy like that.

But fine, if it is either me or KKFC....

VOTE: KKFC

I feel dirty lol

[Doctor Drew]

Again, limming a lurker on D1 is always a bad idea, thankfully didn't bite us in the ass.

Also Aisa, we can't be in a game together for more than one day period it seems lol.

Fate keeps us apart(that and Not Mafia)

[Doctor Drew]

Idk, it got scum and sk to crosskill each other so I'd say it worked out amazingly

And you are an expert at reading me!

[Doctor Drew]

Idk, it got scum and sk to crosskill each other so I'd say it worked out amazingly

And you are an expert at reading me!

Oh sorry read that wrong haha.

I almost said that it ironically worked out the best.

And honestly if I was alive D2 I probably would have been a lightning rod as well.