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We balling-
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Pretending like this isn't obviousIn post 1019, Elements wrote: Jackson if you're town you might want to do things asap-
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I only just woke up, so bear with me while I do my regular routine then get back to this and catch up-
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It would be when the gamestate benefits the wolves-
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Had an unexpectedly busy day, but I'm back and ready to mingle or whatever the saying is-
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Before I start reading the game beyond page 1 and somewhat of the current gamestate, I believe Elements to be very forced and like they're appealing to what a "townie would be doing". The whole "you might wanna do things asap" screamed bad vibes immediately out of the game of which I of course responded to, then the whole statement of E-2 on page one shows that it's probably a consistent thing throughout the whole game so I will wait to see if others have noticed and called out this same thing-
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The pain definitely remains trying to read Kyouko's wallposts when I already have trouble reading normal posts in catchups lmfao... but after all I've done (so far), I'll disappear (and make a drink)In post 1054, Doctor Drew wrote:
The pain will still remain when you come backIn post 1053, JacksonVirgo wrote: I only just woke up, so bear with me while I do my regular routine then get back to this and catch up-
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@Drew one of my family got me a lorna shore shirt and that fact it was from family and not buying it myself is the most metal shit out there. I love them-
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Yeah I figured that would be it, as I said. If that's truly the case then I town-read you based on pages 1-10In post 1064, Elements wrote:
It's a playstyle thingIn post 1059, JacksonVirgo wrote: Before I start reading the game beyond page 1 and somewhat of the current gamestate, I believe Elements to be very forced and like they're appealing to what a "townie would be doing". The whole "you might wanna do things asap" screamed bad vibes immediately out of the game of which I of course responded to, then the whole statement of E-2 on page one shows that it's probably a consistent thing throughout the whole game so I will wait to see if others have noticed and called out this same thing
At least one player says this every game I'm in-
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What part of it? I can try and commentIn post 1072, Afrayed Knott wrote: Question on Cook, to those who know her style. Was she always so short as town in her responses to questions and statements in game? Her ISO reads flippant and rather curt.
Looking at Jackson I am also drawn to the statement in 1060 Re alignment, just seems performative. OK it’s not even tangible but it sticks in my mind.-
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NahIn post 1099, Afrayed Knott wrote:In post 1082, JacksonVirgo wrote:
What part of it? I can try and commentIn post 1072, Afrayed Knott wrote: Question on Cook, to those who know her style. Was she always so short as town in her responses to questions and statements in game? Her ISO reads flippant and rather curt.
Looking at Jackson I am also drawn to the statement in 1060 Re alignment, just seems performative. OK it’s not even tangible but it sticks in my mind.
I thought that was obvious, but right now to me its not important, vote Elements please-
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I haven’t read further than page 10 but I don’t like Black and Titus repped black so I’d rather that than Elements
VOTE: Titus-
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Got called into work won’t be able to finish my catchup before EoD, I don’t want to but I won’t be mad to get off and see I’m elimmed so go wild but I do prefer Titus and idt Elements is wolf so Id prefer anybody but-
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:neutral:In post 1112, lucca261 wrote:
Meh this is a bad vote late on D2 on a player who is obviously not getting limmedIn post 1104, JacksonVirgo wrote: I haven’t read further than page 10 but I don’t like Black and Titus repped black so I’d rather that than Elements
VOTE: Titus
the replace-ins almost made me forgot that Jackson/Afrayed is a real possibility
How tf would I know who can or cannot be limmed, and why would I even care? I wanna push who I think are wolves not conform to who you all believe are wolves-
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Also me acknowledging I could hammer yo self pres but I’m not-
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Take that as you will-
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Nah, but if I do go out check peoples consistency EoD2-
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Because I don’t care to?In post 1154, Elements wrote:
Why would you not hammer when it's you or knott?In post 1152, JacksonVirgo wrote: Nah, but if I do go out check peoples consistency EoD2
Not hammering is literally asking to be limmed-
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I don’t actually careIn post 1159, Elements wrote:
You think knott is town?In post 1158, JacksonVirgo wrote:
Because I don’t care to?In post 1154, Elements wrote:
Why would you not hammer when it's you or knott?In post 1152, JacksonVirgo wrote: Nah, but if I do go out check peoples consistency EoD2
Not hammering is literally asking to be limmed
VOTE: knott just wanted to wait it out-
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Yo drew, you listen to Darko perchance?-
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Just pure balls to the wall with this lineup. Elements being Town is good enough for now (haven't read further than page 10 still). Titus seems most likely wolf still through their pred and I haven't seen like fuck all from Kyo so one in Drew/Kyo.
I didn't really have the motivation to put work in during the night but I will do so now daylight has breached my retinas-
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I hate backreading-
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NunyaIn post 1168, Elements wrote: 'aight, who's the last pr?-
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I'm gonna refer to players as if they're in the game and when I see the host's posts that they repped in I'll switch up who I am referring to. I may also accidentally send this message when I'm not finished writing each section. I will be mostly ignoring the posts of those that have died.
Spoiler: Page 10 Conclusions
Spoiler: Pages 11-20-
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I will wait to catch up to respond back to this
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They can claim if pushed, no reason to right now. Give them the choice, don't make it for them.In post 1178, Elements wrote:
if you don't think the pr should claim im interested as to whyIn post 1177, JacksonVirgo wrote:I will wait to catch up to respond back to this
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Also me trying out the "removing null as a read" strat I just made up to force me to make a stance-
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Spoiler: Pages 21-30-
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Not sure if I'm getting like blinded by my hatred for catchup or EoD1 was just a waste of space on MS's database-
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Also this game is an absolute blast to play, I haven't felt this level of nervousness around which direction to go down in a long ass time-
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@Elements, as you're here rn. Where do your reads land you-
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Might speedrun the rest of the catchup, respond directly via quote if necessary-
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In post 816, Doc and Drew wrote: I don’t think any of this is faked but I don’t see how this is clearing. I have had sorta similar experiences as scum, where I’ve been entirely indisposed and my slot was eliminated in that period, and it was very frustrating.@Drew, if you don't see this as AI at all. And you see it from scum frustration too, why would Cook then claim VT instead of not claiming and just venting frustration.-
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Cheap ass reason to conf-bias myself, but would scum genuinely try and follow the progression in Drew's shoes?In post 931, Doctor Drew wrote:
861 was a post by Kyo.In post 929, Mizuki wrote: VOTE: Elements
I don't really put much stock in meta-reads, not that I've played with Kyouko much at all regardless, and honestly with the way she's responded to both me and you I feel she's fairly townie. I'm standing by what I said in 861.
Not sure I get your progression on her.-
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You failed, how pathetic.
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Love you tho <3-
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Omg who's this sexy fella that just replaced in?In post 1017, Alianna wrote:JacksonVirgo replaces Cook.
The deadline is now unfrozen. The new day deadline is in (expired on 2023-12-28 14:42:34).-
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You keep saying this but you're doing nothing to change itIn post 1055, Titus wrote: This is slow.-
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Mwahahaha ur dead and now can't argue this anymore >:DIn post 1072, Afrayed Knott wrote: Looking at Jackson I am also drawn to the statement in 1060 Re alignment, just seems performative. OK it’s not even tangible but it sticks in my mind.-
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We both had similar thoughts on the right direction of the game, sad that it was either me or you brother.In post 1131, Afrayed Knott wrote: Because if rather lim you. As it gives everyone better info.-
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Alright, caught up. Tempted to vote to force the gamestate in the direction I want it to go in rather than risk a townie doing a vote I hate.-
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As I didn't get the backwards feedback of general play I won't vote as I am in the prime position to fall into confirmation bias, but I ask that nobody votes-
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Mhm, who would be Kyo's partnerIn post 1198, Elements wrote:
currently I want to vote KyoIn post 1196, JacksonVirgo wrote: Alright, caught up. Tempted to vote to force the gamestate in the direction I want it to go in rather than risk a townie doing a vote I hate.-
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Also have you read my catch-up and saw anything you disagree with? I'm mostly asking about Black but I'm wanting thoughts on anything I can get thoughts on-
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This is directed at Elements but I'm wanting this from everyoneIn post 1202, JacksonVirgo wrote: Also have you read my catch-up and saw anything you disagree with? I'm mostly asking about Black but I'm wanting thoughts on anything I can get thoughts on-
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You and me bothIn post 1204, Elements wrote: I'm scuming all three of titus/kyo/drew I'll be honest
(although drew is just there cuz of the Kyo v Black stuff, I do think isolated he's townie)-
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Yeah, if I rehash what I was saying now that I've caught up. It read to me as like Black made an argument they had thought was going to stick, you countered it by stating what you were referring to and then when Gamma popped in, it threw what Black said into the void essentially. And their reaction is one of which they feel like they want to keep the stance they made (aka scum agenda, making an argument to fit a viewpoint rather than making an argument bcuz a thing was scummy) but went to give up hence the "Ok, it's a stretch but ok".In post 1204, Elements wrote: you bit about Black's push on me not looking like it was going anywhere so she backed off hadn't occured to me but it does fit with what happened. Black has played a few games with me recently and I'm fairly easy to mislim so I thought as scum she might not let up for that reason, but I can also see her not expecting me to turn around and bat back so that could've thrown her for a loop so she thought it'd be better to step away-
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If this was the NKA/VCA analysis I kinda skipped over that because I feel that stuff is always built around an assumption of what X thing means rather than knowing that it actually means that or not.-
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But if you want me to look back over that I can do that-
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Regarding votes, I think Kyo/Black splitting votes on Black's solve (aka the consensus read) right after voting each other is what would benefit a black/kyo pairing. As it protects them both in terms of any wagon shifting between the two, it keeps them separated/distanced + the fact they came to the same conclusion so soon after "cross-voting" each other I feel is too good to be true. This vote split is where their votes stayed for the rest of the day, which I feel is a more practical viewpoint into the VCA than the whole on/off wagon logic I can understand but not really follow (I read it over)-
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Why could they not have killed because Clap was clearly town?In post 1212, Elements wrote: Scum killed on the wagon so there's likely only one scum on it. The only remaining off wagonners and me and Kyo (gob obviously excluded himself) so one of us is red.-
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I feel both kills (Clap + Gob's successor) can easily be chalked up to "they were townie as fuck" so any NKA is kinda going to be thrown out the window for me-
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Black votes Kyo (then unvotes when Kyo gets voted a bunch more)In post 1213, Elements wrote:
I don't fully understand thisIn post 1211, JacksonVirgo wrote: Regarding votes, I think Kyo/Black splitting votes on Black's solve (aka the consensus read) right after voting each other is what would benefit a black/kyo pairing. As it protects them both in terms of any wagon shifting between the two, it keeps them separated/distanced + the fact they came to the same conclusion so soon after "cross-voting" each other I feel is too good to be true. This vote split is where their votes stayed for the rest of the day, which I feel is a more practical viewpoint into the VCA than the whole on/off wagon logic I can understand but not really follow (I read it over)
Kyo then votes Black creating a cross-vote
Shadow puts a vote onto Kyo, which is what made Black unvote and then later vote shadow.
Black gave no real reason as to why they voted off of Kyo, and kinda made it seem like Shadow was wolfy for what he did when it wasn't. It was more of a strawman to be able to pivot off of Kyo I think but regardless.
They both should have though each other wolves, they gave no real reason or progression as to why they wouldn't at this point but they both ended up on the solve of Shadow/Elements and then split their votes (one on one, the other on the other).
As Town, this level of coordination given their thoughts on the other is weird.
As wolves together, this coordination benefits the pair.
Which is my version of VCA rather than the NKA/VCA that gob did-
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If you want me to explain how this benefits the pair (if they're both wolves) I can also do that but idt that's needed-
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Goddamn, ur one hell of a pagetop magnet-
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Also considering the gamestate is very pro-wolf (no wolf is really caught) it would lean into this even more so.In post 1224, Elements wrote: I thought titus felt similar to when she replaced into this game which could point to being red and fully content with the gamestate of 4 town arguing with each other-
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After our discussion I am even more confident in voting Titus but I wanna wait for the other three to comment-
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Thinking back on this, does this mean Black is unlikely paired with Drew? Or is this conf-biasing myself into hell?In post 1207, JacksonVirgo wrote:
Yeah, if I rehash what I was saying now that I've caught up. It read to me as like Black made an argument they had thought was going to stick, you countered it by stating what you were referring to and then when Gamma popped in, it threw what Black said into the void essentially. And their reaction is one of which they feel like they want to keep the stance they made (aka scum agenda, making an argument to fit a viewpoint rather than making an argument bcuz a thing was scummy) but went to give up hence the "Ok, it's a stretch but ok".In post 1204, Elements wrote: you bit about Black's push on me not looking like it was going anywhere so she backed off hadn't occured to me but it does fit with what happened. Black has played a few games with me recently and I'm fairly easy to mislim so I thought as scum she might not let up for that reason, but I can also see her not expecting me to turn around and bat back so that could've thrown her for a loop so she thought it'd be better to step away-
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Deep wolfing when I was the backup wagon on the last elim?In post 1231, Doctor Drew wrote: maybe you are deep wolfing a bit.-
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JacksonVirgo they/himSurvivorthey/him
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- Survivor
- Posts: 13492
- Joined: October 29, 2019
- Pronoun: they/him
- Location: ɐılɐɹʇsn∀