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sup noobs i am here to save ya'all from losing a won gameShow"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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also bella was obviously townShow"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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im tempted to sheep this but ive also never fucked up an elo in my lifeIn post 3438, Dannflor wrote: never kill ower tomorrowShow"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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i have a cool trick to prove im town btw
if two of you vote for someone ill log on and say hey im town and that hammer test will prove im town so we can skip the whole "oh no is pooky a fucking scumbag" or not song and danceShow"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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I recognize this would in fact immediately resolve in a town loss if im actually mafia
but since i can see my role pm and I see im town you dont have to worry about that shitShow"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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im ngl tho I am tempted to just sheep the fuck out of Dannflor cuz dude clearly cares more than I do and he got shot at night lolShow"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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where did every1 go lets hammer out this winShow"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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it would be pretty funny if this is the reason you didnt shoot the claimed doctorIn post 3463, JupiterXV wrote:
WhatIn post 3462, OutWorldER wrote:
wow AK was hard throwing when he claimed doc thenIn post 3458, tired person wrote: oh, i forgot about your vt claim. i should have trusted my instinct and healed dannflor. sorry.
scum literally just shoots TP tonight and wins what are you talking about?In post 3461, JupiterXV wrote: VOTE: bella but im not gonna be salty if yall wanna lim me. as long as tired person can clutch a protect at night i'm willing to be today's lim
even in the event you're unaware that doc's can't heal themselves, why would you, as a townie, be fine with being elimmed to gamble on a 1 in 3 shot that just puts us right back in ELO?
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In post 3293, shiki wrote:In post 3288, OutWorldER wrote: Maybe not that exact thought process but it doesn't seem wild that a newbie would just default to shooting the most prominent threat every night without putting much thought into it, especially in a scenario it seems like victory is out of reach.
i guess to me jupiterxv's 'i'd just be submitting nightkills there would be bodies and clears' does seem like the likely newbie default here to me
at least from night 3 on right
like night one t3 gets jailed maybe kill was blocked
night two could see the newbie defaulting to shooting the most prominent threat, titus, who was then saved
at this point, following that thought process, i would think the newbie would think, oh i need to target someone else to get a kill through, or at the very least the night following that one
like it doesn't seem impossible to me that a newbie would have any number of other approaches, and like skygazer said much earlier t3 could have left gameplan as well,
but i will blindly submit titus until i lose hoping something else happens does not seem like the default to me no
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ok seriously tho do you guys actually want me to reread the whole game or whatShow"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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ok what do you actually want my opinion onShow"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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ok what would the point beIn post 3503, OutWorldER wrote:
uh I guess maybe you could read like, D1, D2, and then yesterdayIn post 3501, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: ok seriously tho do you guys actually want me to reread the whole game or what
the only days that really like, mattered I guess, because every other day was mostly autopiloting whoever Titus had jailedShow"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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mostly dannflor and nka - like why does outworldER shoot dannflor if dannflor's last words to the thread are "never kill outworldER"In post 3507, tired person wrote: i think you implied that you think it's jupiter but i am not sure if the only reason is sheeping dannflor or something else also.
like the only reason would be to lock in reads and he's worried dannflor will 180 the read again AND he is also highly sure the rest of you are too demotivated to try to overturn thread consensus.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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like maybe its to frame jupiter ? feels a very roundabout way to do itShow"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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bruh i have her role pm its townIn post 3510, OutWorldER wrote: pooky do you think Bella would have a reason to kill dannShow"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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i dont even understand the point of the questionShow"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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like if bella is mafia maybe she shoots dannflor because she is worried he will re-eval on her like he said he would at eod.
or maybe she believes you and shoots you tho i dunno if she would your act at eod looked kinda fake as f
or maybe she shoots doctor claimer dude.
i honestly dunno what she would do with a gun at that game state cuz i dont even know her that well.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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outworld I can't sort you in real time if you don't interact with me in real timeShow"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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like I get this game is a long ass slog that's been going on for *checks notes* 2 months and you all lost any willpower to play but since you've invested the better part of 2 months into the game let's get together and try to win it instead of mailing it in on a prayerShow"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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me rereading d1 and seeing that you guys actually eliminated Aisa/Skygazer and Jupiter/OutworldER are still alive rofl this town might deserve to loseShow"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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outworldER's posting straight up feels like openwolfing in D1
he pushes an exclusively town POE early - early townreads T3 on some stretchy ass logic - his questions to Black look like they are badly done distancing and not like he has any actual intent to sort herShow"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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I have no clue why Dannflor would say to never kill this guy I've been through his iso three times and none of it screams definitely town to me
Dann why are you do me like thisShow"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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I absolutely hate this because voting solely to consolidate feels like he's pushing the blame for what happens if this wagon goes thru to "well it was just for consolidation!"In post 526, OutWorldER wrote: I'm going to VOTE: Kurtapika here to consolidate. I'm comfortable here or on shaddowez.
note here that this is fifth vote in this game state;
with Dannflor/Titus both pushing Kurta at this point and being loud in thread about it.In post 550, schadd_ wrote: VOTE COUNT 1.6 !
Kurtapika (5): Titus, Dannflor, Bellaphant, Aisa, OutWorldER
shaddowez (2): JupiterXV, Black
Bellaphant (1): T3
T3 (1): Nono
Dannflor (1): Skygazer
JupiterXV (1): shaddowez
Skygazer (1): Kurtapika
Black (1): Afrayed Knott
not voting (1): ProjEctRyShow"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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In post 526, OutWorldER wrote: Hi, I return. Apologies for the absence. Here's a wall of quotes I wanted to respond to while catching up
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I'm kind of torn because I think Dann is a comfortable townread for me right now, but I also feel like Kurta's move onto Skygazer could be genuine, and the over-justification is simply a symptom of being in an unfamiliar meta. But even that said, they're a nullish read for me at best right now, voting low-content/low-activity slots is a very classic scum move to appear townie, and I'm general agreement with Dann here that the very diluted votes here and sheer amount of vanity votes is hurting Town's ability to read the game.
I'm going to VOTE: Kurtapika here to consolidate. I'm comfortable here or on shaddowez.
ok read what is in the spoilered quote box and tell me if you see something that doesnt make sense to youShow"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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btw if you slackers decide to afk all the way to the deadline again and then boohoo cant put votes together to yeet someone because everyone fell asleep im gonna be super annoyed i bothered to spend time on this shit
pick a time to be online so we can actually do thisShow"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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I'm ngl I havent even bothered to read Jupiter's iso but the way OutworldER has treated T3 in the first 600 posts of this game makes me feel like he is obviously mafia and I dont understand how he is still alive todayShow"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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as someone who's played quite a bit with Scum!T3 I'll even make a prediction about what the conversation in the Scum PT looked like:
T3: Hi Guys, I'm kind of limbait as mafia and I expect to die early so just bus me or something ok?
Black: It's ok I will carry you because I'm the scumqueen and I will protect my subjects - let's instead try to townbin you into the townbloc.
OutworldER: haha great plan I'll townread you right away for "trying to start conversation"
Black: Cool i'll do it too
OuterworldER: Ok I'm gonna ask you a pointless question about it to "distance" and get our positioning to look good.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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^ this is such a reach to make about an early townread but the bonus kicker is this conversation between him and black 2 pages later;In post 44, OutWorldER wrote:
Trying to jumpstart discussion in RVS, even if on a fairly reachy basis, feels fairly townie to me. In general I think scum are more likely to wait for other people to start pushing wagons rather than try to jumpstart one themselves. I also think the reachiness of it is actually +town since I feel like scum would probably be angling for a good first impression here.In post 36, Aisa wrote:
Curious to hear why you think soIn post 31, OutWorldER wrote: T3 is probably town.
I don't think this question makes sense at all hereIn post 104, OutWorldER wrote:
Your T3 read feels odd here, as 91, a post you say you had similar thoughts to, voices suspicion on T3. You say you like T3, but your only point is early posts for which your only point is "not necessarily scum indicative". What has T3 done that is townie, in your opinion?In post 101, Black wrote: I feel good about Aisa so far. It feels like she's engaging with people in a cooperative and amicable way and it feels like she's trying to genuinely figure them out
I like T3 here too. 15 feels like he's mocking bella considering his read in 26 which is kinda mean but not necessarily scum indicative. I like Project's read on T3 in 91 and I had similar thoughts when reading through, so I like Project so far as well
I agree with OWER's read on Jupiter in 86 and I like how inquisitive and engaged OWER feels
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It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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I have guests coming over so I won't be around in 2-3 hours.In post 3526, JupiterXV wrote: hi i'm alive., sorry for the inactivity ive been goin through it recently. prodge for the time being but i will be back in 2-3 hours or so to catch up and respond to things, will do things soon. welcome pookythemagicalbear
I will be online from 9am EST monday to 2pm EST monday as well as monday night to chat.
I can also chat tonight around 9pm ESTShow"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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why
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im ngl i confbiased myself while driving into thinking outworld is mafiaShow"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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In post 3529, OutWorldER wrote:
At the time Dann was also loudly complaining about everybody pushing their own vanity wagons and everybody saying that "they were having trouble finding scumreads" and I was pretty sure both Dann and Titus were town so I got on board to be a team player.In post 3520, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
I absolutely hate this because voting solely to consolidate feels like he's pushing the blame for what happens if this wagon goes thru to "well it was just for consolidation!"In post 526, OutWorldER wrote: I'm going to VOTE: Kurtapika here to consolidate. I'm comfortable here or on shaddowez.
note here that this is fifth vote in this game state;
with Dannflor/Titus both pushing Kurta at this point and being loud in thread about it.In post 550, schadd_ wrote: VOTE COUNT 1.6 !
Kurtapika (5): Titus, Dannflor, Bellaphant, Aisa, OutWorldER
shaddowez (2): JupiterXV, Black
Bellaphant (1): T3
T3 (1): Nono
Dannflor (1): Skygazer
JupiterXV (1): shaddowez
Skygazer (1): Kurtapika
Black (1): Afrayed Knott
not voting (1): ProjEctRy
Note that I also jumped off when when Dann presented a theory that Kurta might be a mislim even when Titus still wanted him
It's a reach but it's also literally the 44th post of the game, in RVS.In post 3525, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
^ this is such a reach to make about an early townread but the bonus kicker is this conversation between him and black 2 pages later;In post 44, OutWorldER wrote:
Trying to jumpstart discussion in RVS, even if on a fairly reachy basis, feels fairly townie to me. In general I think scum are more likely to wait for other people to start pushing wagons rather than try to jumpstart one themselves. I also think the reachiness of it is actually +town since I feel like scum would probably be angling for a good first impression here.In post 36, Aisa wrote:
Curious to hear why you think soIn post 31, OutWorldER wrote: T3 is probably town.
I don't think this question makes sense at all hereIn post 104, OutWorldER wrote:
Your T3 read feels odd here, as 91, a post you say you had similar thoughts to, voices suspicion on T3. You say you like T3, but your only point is early posts for which your only point is "not necessarily scum indicative". What has T3 done that is townie, in your opinion?In post 101, Black wrote: I feel good about Aisa so far. It feels like she's engaging with people in a cooperative and amicable way and it feels like she's trying to genuinely figure them out
I like T3 here too. 15 feels like he's mocking bella considering his read in 26 which is kinda mean but not necessarily scum indicative. I like Project's read on T3 in 91 and I had similar thoughts when reading through, so I like Project so far as well
I agree with OWER's read on Jupiter in 86 and I like how inquisitive and engaged OWER feels
Nothing is really pinging me as scummy yet
What about the question doesn't make sense?
the way you engage around other people's reads of T3 do not feel like how a townie would
like if I'm town and I townread T3 and other people are shading the shit out of him and saying he's mafia I try to engage with them to talk out their reads or I change my mind on my read of T3 - i don't see it from you
regarding your question to black;
what I don't do is ask other players whoagreewith my read to flesh out their read because the motivation behind the engagement doesnt make sense to me - fwiw I dont really see how you followed up with Black in thread on that read - its like you were doing it to distance and then kind of dropped it.
Lastly I don't think you voting Kurta makes sense in a world where you townread T3 and the players are saying T3/Kurta are S/S because in that world you at least believe they are wrong on T3 so why would they be right on Kurta?
- instead you just vote Kurtapika when he/t3 are being lumped as scum/scum together and that makes a helluva lot of sense in the world where T3!scum/Kurta!town because you're using the townies push on Kurta to get a misyeet andalsodisprove their theory that Kurta+T3 are S/S since you know Kurta will flip town and that can help relieve pressure on T3.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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i havent actually isoed or read jupiter in depth but the brief snippets I skimmed are all over the place and im p bad at reading people who r all over the place.In post 3534, tired person wrote: pooky, i want to know what you think about jupiter in isolation.
i've been thinking over and over whether it makes sense for Jupiter!scum to do some LAMIST gambit at EOD yesterday where he's like yo just vote me out i dont want to be at elo and gambling the town doesnt take him up on the gamble and I really do not know if he has the skills to pull that move there with a roomread.
what I really hate is how outworld reacted to it right there and then and said it must be coming from Town!Jupiter and then Dannflor was like hell no.
It feels like over the top TMI on outworld's part because like how do you suddenly get that lvl of surety that its not a gambit?
comparing the two of them I feel like Jupiter issufferingmore than Outworld is and I would expect the townie in the pair to be suffering because this is not a pleasant experience if you're town to go 9 days of not knowing wtf is going on. Outworld's vibe is that he's in control and he has a plan and that feels scummy to me
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In post 3541, JupiterXV wrote:
ok yeah but why would i kill dannflor as scum im not as oblivious to NKA as to just.... openly kill sm1 who scumreads me ????? i mean maybe to make this exact argument but idfk man. (rhetorical question btw)In post 3508, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
mostly dannflor and nka - like why does outworldER shoot dannflor if dannflor's last words to the thread are "never kill outworldER"In post 3507, tired person wrote: i think you implied that you think it's jupiter but i am not sure if the only reason is sheeping dannflor or something else also.
like the only reason would be to lock in reads and he's worried dannflor will 180 the read again AND he is also highly sure the rest of you are too demotivated to try to overturn thread consensus.
also posting is a pain on the ass on mobile so if i miss anything lemme know.
well sure its wifom but also If you believe Dannflor is going to be gunning for you and he's clearly the loudest voice in the thread then your best bet is to shoot him at night so he doesnt live to today and push you.
sure it looks bad for you but that's just kind of the price you pay because if you leave him alive and he hardshoves you you might die from that. I dunno how much you know about dannflor's meta to know about whether he's overstating confidence or bluffing or posturing in order to manipulate the nightkill - afaik you are a total n00b to this site and have not much experience with Dannflor so you wouldn't know if you can gamble that he's lying about reads - heck I've played plenty of games with Dannflor and I don't know whether his statement about OWER is geniune belief or some kind of gambit.
im also arrogant enough in my own scumhunting abilities that I might just ignore dannflor's read on OWER but i'd feel pretty shitty if i was wrong.
the nightkill points to you because it is the easiest nightkill for you to make.
Does OWER shoot Dannflor there or does he shoot Bella or TP and go into 4p? I really dont know?
Like maybe OWER thinks dannflor is the doctor for whatever reason ???? - like I guess if OWER is mafia and he thinks there's no way afayeed knott claims doctor like the way he did AND dannflor's townread of shiki has to do with Dannflor thinking that Shiki is pretending to be doctor to shield doctor dannflor?!?!? like thats a really far out there thing. I honestly dont know. Its really wild to me that scum even made that nightkill because if Dannflor is not the doctor then he is one of themostlikely targets for being doctored and if you shoot into a doc protect there you get completely blown out many many times.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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In post 3546, JupiterXV wrote: post 3513 is really towny and now i’m at a dilemma
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rethinking this I realize this might be an incredibly convoluted reason that doesnt make any sense and the simplest and best explanation for why dannflor got shot was because Jupiter didnt want to face him today but I still do not feel good about doing NKA this way because it feels like a really easy way to get blown out.In post 3550, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: Like maybe OWER thinks dannflor is the doctor for whatever reason ???? - like I guess if OWER is mafia and he thinks there's no way afayeed knott claims doctor like the way he did AND dannflor's townread of shiki has to do with Dannflor thinking that Shiki is pretending to be doctor to shield doctor dannflor?!?!? like thats a really far out there thing. I honestly dont know. Its really wild to me that scum even made that nightkill because if Dannflor is not the doctor then he is one of the most likely targets for being doctored and if you shoot into a doc protect there you get completely blown out many many times.
I cannot help but think that OutworldER is some kind of mustaching twirling supervillain and Jupiter is some kind of clueless townie who is completely lost.
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who were you trying to talk about here and what is your thought processIn post 3381, JupiterXV wrote: i know one of (bella/python) is town but i don't know which one is.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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In post 3542, JupiterXV wrote:
what’s a roomreadIn post 3536, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
i havent actually isoed or read jupiter in depth but the brief snippets I skimmed are all over the place and im p bad at reading people who r all over the place.In post 3534, tired person wrote: pooky, i want to know what you think about jupiter in isolation.
i've been thinking over and over whether it makes sense for Jupiter!scum to do some LAMIST gambit at EOD yesterday where he's like yo just vote me out i dont want to be at elo and gambling the town doesnt take him up on the gamble and I really do not know if he has the skills to pull that move there with a roomread.
what I really hate is how outworld reacted to it right there and then and said it must be coming from Town!Jupiter and then Dannflor was like hell no.
It feels like over the top TMI on outworld's part because like how do you suddenly get that lvl of surety that its not a gambit?
comparing the two of them I feel like Jupiter issufferingmore than Outworld is and I would expect the townie in the pair to be suffering because this is not a pleasant experience if you're town to go 9 days of not knowing wtf is going on. Outworld's vibe is that he's in control and he has a plan and that feels scummy to me
i gtg guests r here lets actually play the game tonight
a roomread is your read of the room - basically you looking at a group of people and deciding whether they would take you up on your suggestion of yeeting yourself so you wont be around in elo.
like if someone like dannflor sees you offer yourself up and just says yea sure i'll just yeet you like what do you do atp? you p much gave yourself up for no reason ? - you'd have to read that dannflor + others willnot take you upon your offer as mafia.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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I am going to need you to show up to realtime interact with me at least one of the next nights. I am free after 9pm EST today, tommorrow, tuesday etc. you can bring as many questions as you want me to answer.In post 3539, OutWorldER wrote:
where did I say this.In post 3536, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: what I really hate is how outworld reacted to it right there and then andsaid it must be coming from Town!Jupiterand then Dannflor was like hell no.
are you referring to this post?
where 3 posts earlier I said:In post 3444, OutWorldER wrote: the thing is like
if Jupiter's scum he gets literally nothing out of not letting the mislim go through on Project if Jup's scum and Project's town
so idk
In post 3441, OutWorldER wrote: tbh though it probably is just Jupiter
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yes I understand that is why you said it and I can see you as town plausibly having that attitude at that point in the game and you do not want to deal with being the losing elim at eloIn post 3555, JupiterXV wrote: well i mean the reason i said i'd be ok with that was because everyone wanted to flashwagon me and i was like yeah everyones gonna wanna kill me in the day after so i dont really wanna deal with that hassle
I have been there myself more than once.
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why is it insultingIn post 3560, JupiterXV wrote: well i mean im completely lost yeah but that feels insulting despite the fact that it's probably true
being lost is fine - to err is to be human.
everyone in this game is pretty lost since you've gone 6 days without eliminating mafia and nearly on the verge of choking away a near perfect start.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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In post 3558, JupiterXV wrote: OMG POOKY HI
hi I'm going to ask you some questions about your thought process throughout Day 8 - pls answer as best you can, if you don't remember just say that. don't make up anything if you can't think of an answer because I have a very keen sense for detecting "made up bullshit" and I recognize even town will make things up if they do not know or remember or feel the need to backwards justify a stance at some point in time.
when you made this post
I assume you are talking about Bella/Project.In post 3381, JupiterXV wrote: i know one of (bella/python) is town but i don't know which one is.
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I also want to reiterate I did not mean it as an insult to say you are lost or others are lost in this game. it is easy to get lost, this game is hard sometimes.In post 3563, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
why is it insultingIn post 3560, JupiterXV wrote: well i mean im completely lost yeah but that feels insulting despite the fact that it's probably true
being lost is fine - to err is to be human.
everyone in this game is pretty lost since you've gone 6 days without eliminating mafia and nearly on the verge of choking away a near perfect start.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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ok I recognize the way I said it was a bit insulting but I did not mean it that wayIn post 3566, JupiterXV wrote: yeah, i know it shouldn't be, haha. i've just been throwing really hard this game and it's just like yeah I wish i did better, feels a bit like you're rubbing salt in the woundShow"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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I don't have enough meta knowledge of how you interact with partners to really know whether you discredit your own scumteam.In post 3568, OutWorldER wrote: the only question I can really think of is why do you think I callout and discredit my own scumteam on D1 if I'm scum. Dann flipped flop back and forth on that point.
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I want you to explain this postIn post 3431, OutWorldER wrote:
just vote Project please. I don't feel like no-elimming here, I want to know Project's alignment, not sure TP can be convinced to vote you, and we still have to sort Bella.In post 3429, JupiterXV wrote: i mean flashwagon me if you want idc VOTE: jupiter
i know sure as hell that if project isnt scum i do NOT wanna go to elo
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In post 3573, JupiterXV wrote:
yeah, i was talking about bella/project. i don't remember exactly why, but i was going through mechanics at the time. i ruled out OWER as a titus jailkeep (aka doctor slot) for... i don't remember what reason let me check. yeah, i worked through the logic in 3382- OWER claimed VT. roleblocking someone who claims VT doesn't work, since she's not roleblockign anythhing. in order to root out who the doctor was, you needed to figure out who titus roleblocked.In post 3564, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:In post 3558, JupiterXV wrote: OMG POOKY HI
hi I'm going to ask you some questions about your thought process throughout Day 8 - pls answer as best you can, if you don't remember just say that. don't make up anything if you can't think of an answer because I have a very keen sense for detecting "made up bullshit" and I recognize even town will make things up if they do not know or remember or feel the need to backwards justify a stance at some point in time.
when you made this post
I assume you are talking about Bella/Project.In post 3381, JupiterXV wrote: i know one of (bella/python) is town but i don't know which one is.
Why did you rule out OWER as a suspect
so i came to the assumption that titus didn't roleblock inside the semi-consensus townpool (which she ended up doing with TP), and rather went for people who were in the consensus limpool, me, bella, or project. i know she didn't go for me since i'm not doctor, so it had to be between bella and project, who were most likely to be scum and doctor respectively.
i ended up being wrong in the end, as it was TP, but that was kind of what was going through my head at the moment. then i ended up voting OWER because i wasn't sure who was doc, and OWER was also slip sliding into consensus limpool and could feasibly be mafia due to a) not being roleblocked b) claiming VT.
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ok that makes a lot more sense to me nowIn post 3579, JupiterXV wrote:
i think what i was trying to say with this is one of bella/python is MECHANICALLY CONFIRMED TOWNIn post 3381, JupiterXV wrote: i know one of (bella/python) is town but i don't know which one is.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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nah we're gucci for now i'll hit you up if I want to ask anything elseIn post 3581, JupiterXV wrote:
ok cool beans, do you have any more questionsIn post 3580, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
ok that makes a lot more sense to me nowIn post 3579, JupiterXV wrote:
i think what i was trying to say with this is one of bella/python is MECHANICALLY CONFIRMED TOWNIn post 3381, JupiterXV wrote: i know one of (bella/python) is town but i don't know which one is.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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no I mean the first sentence.In post 3582, OutWorldER wrote:
i assume you mean the last sentence. At the time there was a limpool of Project/Jupiter/Bella. It was like 30 minutes to deadline. If we no-limmed than Project stuck around to be a distraction in endgame. Elimming him even if he was town narrowed down the limpool. Project made a post saying he'd self-hammer "if the view was collectively held", which read to me as really hedgey (maybe that's the wrong word) because it relied on his definition of "collectively". It's weak and reachy, but I had also been tunneled on Project since D2 at that pointIn post 3572, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
I want you to explain this postIn post 3431, OutWorldER wrote:
just vote Project please. I don't feel like no-elimming here, I want to know Project's alignment, not sure TP can be convinced to vote you, and we still have to sort Bella.In post 3429, JupiterXV wrote: i mean flashwagon me if you want idc VOTE: jupiter
i know sure as hell that if project isnt scum i do NOT wanna go to elo
I think Project's hedginess around self-hammering also feels scummy still so
"not sure TP can be convinced to vote you"
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ok but like if you think TP is mafia why would TP!Mafia not help you yeet Jupiter but instead prefer to be yeeted himself?Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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like I feel like "Not sure if TP can be convinced to vote for you" is a perspective slip - you are saying actually Town!TP might not want to yeet you because I think its pretty obvious scum!TP would prefer to yeet anyone not named himself because thats literally his win conditionShow"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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the way you appeal to Jupiter to vote for TP does not feel like you are town convincing a player to hammer your top scumread. It feels like youknowthat vote does not end the game and you are trying to sell Jupiter on doing it because you know he doesn't really want to do it.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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oh I thought TP was theprojectry rofl I didnt even know who you were talking aboutShow"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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for some reason I thought projectry's name was theprojectry and not just projectry oopsShow"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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i still get the vibes from you trying to convince jupiter to hammer that you dont really believe projectry is the game winning elim thoShow"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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what was your thought process between these two posts
In post 915, OutWorldER wrote: I think I agree that Kurta is probably just a mislim at this point.
I'm fine just continuing to sheep Titus and Dann on T3. My preferred lim for today is Skygazer but to be frank with a little less than 3 days left I don't think I could convince people to get on that wagon.
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PookyTheMagicalBear Pooky got your back
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ok but you didn't mention T3 at all in terms of being a potential lim prior to that point; you mentioned him as an early townread and then moved on without really talking about him at all until Dannflor veers off to vote for him.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
"I can't even look at the game anymore.
That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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PookyTheMagicalBear Pooky got your back
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I want to use your own words to explain why you thought Kurta was likely to be a mislim at this post in time because it feels extremely oppurtunistic to meIn post 915, OutWorldER wrote: I think I agree that Kurta is probably just a mislim at this point.
I'm fine just continuing to sheep Titus and Dann on T3. My preferred lim for today is Skygazer but to be frank with a little less than 3 days left I don't think I could convince people to get on that wagon.
VOTE: T3Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
"I can't even look at the game anymore.
That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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PookyTheMagicalBear Pooky got your back
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I want you to use your own words to explain why you thought Kurta was likely to be a mislim at this post in time because it feels extremely oppurtunistic to meShow"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
"I can't even look at the game anymore.
That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
-Norwee-
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PookyTheMagicalBear Pooky got your back
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