Open 415: Bird 7P (Game Over)

[MattP]

Nope. And I have some stuff to say

Venmar, don't eorry about it

[MattP]

I work for the next 5 hours but then I'm free as a BIRD GET IT???

[MattP]

The game starts now.

[MattP]

I am going to go 3 pages at a time.
__________

also:

1- what allignment do you prefer playing as, town or scum?

scum for sure, i like being evil and i prefer being the informed minority, of course that doesn't mean i don't try as town .

2- how many games have you played before this one?

this is something like my 17th game, i lost count

3- what is your timezone and how many times a day can we expect you to be posting?

my timezone is the UK one (no clue if it is GMT or BST i get confused between the two... 19:31 as of the time posting so...) and i will try to post at least once a day, if not more.

1) Town
2) A bunch
3) I post a bunch a day, EST

Also, Thomith is town. Just because I would never RQS and say I LOVE LOVE LOVE being scum when I was scum, it's fucking weird.

Forgot about those

1: Scum. More satisfaction in deceiving people than stopping them.

2: A lot. Somewhere around 40 on-site.

3: CDT, depends on how interesting the conversation is

Also, the question couldn't really give scum away. It's just asking when scum can talk.

PEdit: In that case, Ven's #21 suspicion of the non-posters is

borderline townslip

.

NO NO NO YOU ARE NOT DOING THIS KONDI. Have you noticed something? Every time you say someone townslips they flips scum! I am a prime example of this in Open 399. Stop with the townslip mumbo jumbo!

Venmar why are you throwing around stupid suspicion on players who havent posted yet, it is not scummy at all, and don't see why you brought it up.

Oh, ew, drop that townread on Thomith.

so venmar throwing around WIFOMy suspicion which makes little sense is fine but me questioning it is scummy.
lolk.

EW REALLY DROP IT

Actually, rethinking that. Thomith and MrBump probably aren't scum together.

VOTE: MrBump Gimme a scum meta and a town meta.

Oh, here we go, Kondi is being flip floppy and master detective as usual, he's conftown.

Because you somehow failed to read where I said Venmar townslipped. But then I realized you are Thomith so it's okay.

You should vote MrBump.

He suspected the people that hadn't posted yet of talking in their QT, and after that, the Mod told us that the scum planned in their QT before the game started.

THIS MEANS NOTHING EXCEPT THAT YOU ARE TOWN

Vote: TheTrollie

Post. Now.

Oh. I don't know how I feel about this post. Tad aggressive for so early in the game with a player having not posted.

Venmar have you ever considered the reason that people confirmed so close together is because it's when ey got an email that the role PM had arrived and like myself at that point logged on and confirmed? For my part I should point out that I am pretty much V/LA at weekends and my wife was recently diagnosed with cancer so we are in and out of hospital fairly frequently so I post when I can get 5 minutes to myself.

That said there's nothing going on currently which peaks my interest in the way of scummy reads thus far. I've only people on here I've been in a game with is Kondi and I recently modded a game with Thomith in, so Im taking In how I see everyone posting first. Then I'll make my judgement. Although your constant pressure for everybody to post every 30 seconds or something is a tad disconcerting. It almost falls into looking to eager and you are actually scum trying to look town by being Mr Scumhunter superstar.

How did confirmation work this round? Did everyone receive a PM to go confirm in thread or not?

[MattP]

Current reads:

Town:
Me
Kondi

Scum:
Thomith
Venmar

[MattP]

Also, I'm smack in the middle for a read on MrBump. He's already pointed out that I'm only answering things that are directly at me. I don't /really/ see a problem with that since we were just on page 2 and also because it's Day 1. I'm not sure if he as a scum will use that later on to get me lynched or it's actually a townie trying to get someone to be more useful. As days go on I'll be a lot more useful once solid content comes. Which means I'll be doing scum hunting and questioning everything that I don't see/agree with.

Malakittens is scum.

The lack of committal to a read along with the going on and ON AND ON about it is scum trying to keep their hands clean.

I should add that I currently believe that the scum team is Mr. bump and Venmar, before anyone thinks I'm just throwing votes around.

Oh my God. What the fuck is wrong with a game where I have 4 scum reads of 6 players. that was SO OMGUSy

Thomith, Mala, Venmar, and Snake so far.

Alright. I've went through possible teams, eliminated people who are town, and determined that the scum is in one of these:

MrBump-Trollie
MrBump-Thomith
Snake-Trollie
Snake-Thomith
Trollie-Thomith

Notice that all possible teams have either Trollie or Thomith in them.

Oh thank God at least you are town, Kondi. Thank God we at least have you.

Town / Leaning Town:
1)

Venmar

-Me
2)

Kondi

- Not 100%, but he hasn't given me any bad vibes as of yet and has good feedback. However, i am naturally suspicious of him, but really that is just a small fraction that isn't effecting my view of him all that much.
3)

MalaKitten

- Mostly leaning, but is giving good vibes for me.

Null:
4)

TheTrollie

- Hasn't posted much or anything of much relevance. Null to the max.
5)

MrBump

- He hasn't necessarily given me really bad vibes but at the same time he hasn't really given me much town vibes. Some of his posts are edgy though and some reactions as well. I will need to reread the thread for Bump, but for now i feel null about him.

Leaning Scum:
6)

Snake

- Comes in with a unexplained vote on MrBump. Given he hasn't really contributed much at all yet, it looks like he is bandwagoning on MrBump right now. He also thinks that if someone is on L-1 they should claim, i really disagree with this. Claims should only be made after someone expresses intent to hammer. Snake, for the time being, is the scummiest player in the game right now.
7)

Thomith

- Mostly null, but i naturally find how Thomith plays and how he responds to people and how he questions, i find all those scummy. This might just be how Thomith plays though. Mostly scummy vibes and little to no town vibes from him make me very suspicious.

- I will reread the thread and ISO Thomith and MrBump, i don't know if my reads on them are as accurate as i would like them to be, especially MrBump who i am having second thoughts on. Regardless, at the moment i feel like Snake is the scummiest player right, and on that note,

Vote: Snake

Why do people do this? T.T Hey, let's give scum a lynchlist.

HAHAHA

HAHAHAHA

Sorry, TheTrollie's last post just hurt my eyes.

Are you saying bussing is completely impossible? One of your biggest FoS's is INSANTLY town because he may never bus?

Are you for real?


Okay, allow me some time to ask a question. Why am I scum?

kondi basically went "he looks scummy", along with Thomith, and everyone tunnelled me from there while giving no solid reasons. "He's cautious". Are you serious? That's not a reason bah gawd.

Anyway, time to claim, because apparently 5/6 players want me dead for reasons I still don't understand. Vanilla Townie. AND NOT ONE THING WAS ACHIEVED THAT DAY.

OH THANK GOD MR BUMP IS TOWN.

Town:
Me
Kondi
Mr. Bump

I REALLY REALLY REALLY hope I get one more townread before pg 9 so help me God because then we can deal with the 2 scum.

[MattP]

Matt, you're like a master scum player. I'm pretty sure Venmar couldn't fake a townslip like that. (No offense to Venmar of course)

And I actually do have a good record of finding townslips. You're the only one I've ever gotten wrong.

Kondi, baby, you've messed up more than your townslip on me but [ongoing]

I am just so happy you're this town, it makes me big ol day <3

[MattP]

ok you know what
UNVOTE:
i agree with bump here, a few of these votes look convenient, so bumps logic makes sense to me, right now i want snake and the replacement to chime in before voting.

Thomith moves up a bit on the town-scum spectrum to null for having sense. Thank goodness.

Chime in with what? I'm town nothing more to say, although I would point out if you do lynch me you will put us at a disadvantage.

I hate this.

I really do not like soft claims, either you claim or you don't claim. -_-

But I hate this even more. You have no reason to be this annoyed at him, it reads fake and you striving for a mislynch on Snake.

No because if you are soft claiming as a scum then you are avoiding a lynch.
If you are soft claiming as a town then you have literally just painted a nice easy NK target.

I want Mala lynched.

I will push for a Mala lynch today. Mala will flip scum.

[MattP]

VOTE: Malakittens

[MattP]

No, because Mala WILL flip scum.

[MattP]

Kondi, if you didn't think Mala had a townslip and you looked at her posts with unbiased eyes tell me she is not scummy, opportunistic and fake as a...um...scummy, opportunistic and fake person (I'm trying to be PG here so that I don't CONSTANTLY come off as ass)

[MattP]

^.^ Thanks

[MattP]

I really do not like soft claims, either you claim or you don't claim. -_-

This is fake

And Mala can me scum with Venmar too, but you have a townread on him

[MattP]

Well, back to the drawing board.

[MattP]

Both your townreads are based off of townslips that aren't townslips :/

Work with me on Mala. If she flips town my vote it yours all round.

[MattP]

Both your townreads are based off of townslips that aren't townslips :/

Work with me on Mala. If she flips town my vote it yours all round.

- Problem is that if she flips town we will be at LyLo tomorrow. Not much of a vote gain for just 1 day, and kind of bad if Kondi is actually scum. Then again, i know you Mattp, you're a good player, so your read could be reliable depending if we can trust you to be town.

^How can you tell me town would say this, Kondi :/

[MattP]

Thomith is null to me and since I have three scumreads I am not willing to lynch time.

Here are the combos I'm looking at:

Snake/Mala =Impossible
Snake/Venmar = Impossible for #105. Scum wouldn't go through all of the effort of making a list of reads just to bus
Mala/Venmar = Possible

[MattP]

Yeah, rereading I don't think Thomith would stop the L-1 wagon on Bump just to bus his partner Snake so I don't see that combo anyway.

That leaves two possibilities for scumteams, thomith/bump and venmar/mala. Since Bump is a townread I know venmar/mala is the scumteam, and I will not agree to any other lynches.

[MattP]

It's Venmar. -_-

What? You can't just say "it's venmar" when the only game you've played with venmar he was scum.

[MattP]

I think i figured out how Mattp plays. Be an asshole.

It's fine, but if Mattp pisses me off again i will replace out.

Seriously? I have been cordial towards you since being in this game and you want to be immature like this? Then just replace out, I'm not going to walk on eggshells this entire game because you plan to threaten me any time I ever think you are scum. That actually really pisses me off, Venmar.

Additionally, this seems like a really low attempt to make me stop targeting you. I have never seen anyone do this before and it's very insulting.

[MattP]

You know what, screw this.

Replace me

I didn't join a game to deal with this. I thought we were on good terms after last game Venmar, but it turns out you are unable to have any semblance of maturity. If you are scum and did this to dissaude me from tunneling you I will make sure the mods know about this.

[MattP]

Cancel replacement

Fuck you, absolutely fuck you. I was understanding of when YOU were upset but you pull "hahahah dafuq" on me when I am.

You know you just did that to stick to a shitty town meta of you being angry at me and threatening to replace when I mistake you as scum when you are town.

YOU JUST STOOPED THAT FUCKING LOW

That is the poorest sportsmanship I've ever seen. Replacing is not a game strategy, you little twit.

Now fucking replace if you want because I'm staying.

[MattP]

Look at this game for reference:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=22335

I fakeclaimed dayvig and shot venmar in it and he got pissed and called me an asshole and replaced out. We were both town.

This game I do nothing to venmar but say I have a scumread on him and he sticks to his town meta by saying he will replace out.

That is not good sportsmanship, that is incredibly disrespectable, and on top of that, it confirms he is scum playing to a meta he's created with me.

It does not read authentic at all this time. Kondi, I really hope you see this. It was basically a scumslip.

[MattP]

VOTE: Venmar

[MattP]

Replace out if you want. I am voting you though because in my mind that was what I think it was.

[MattP]

As in, I don't care if you replace out.

[MattP]

But I'm not going to just disregard that, it happened and is now part of the game.

pedit: If you're going to do that then replace out.

[MattP]

Welp. I don't think a Venmar replacement is really needed since this should be an easy decision.

And after Venmar, Mala tomorrow and game. Meh.

[MattP]

Also, Kondi, if you think I'm not obvtown after this I'm not taking you to prom.

[MattP]

It's too late, Kondi, but I learned a valuable lesson from this.

Point is, I am town, Venmar is scum, something happened, and now we are here.

[MattP]

And Malakittens lurking in this thread ever since I called her scum, through all the Venmar stuff, just reinforces my reads on them two.

[MattP]

Kondi what don't you understand from what happened?

Listen babe, you were wrong about both your townreads, it happens, just don't have tunnel vision on me.

[MattP]

Actually I'm not lurking I been sick all day.

If I flip town, I'd advise you to look at MattyP for pushing the lynch so hard. I do hate soft claims but that's not a scum tell.

Seems like you are pushing a lynch on someone, but you never considered that I might actually be town.

Wut? This post reeks.

#1, "

IF

I flip town"?!

#2, you're bolded underlined italicized part reads fake as hell and is just weird and pointless.

#3, I have SEEN you on the thread, now you're lying!

[MattP]

Np babe

[MattP]

Even is Mala is scum, we are lynching Venmar first because he basically admitted he was.

[MattP]

Sure.

Hoopla, i apologize for all that happened in the last few posts, i take full responsibility for the actions that happened. If it makes things better, please

penalize me in some fashion

, i do feel bad now. Either way, i am sorry if i offended you Mattp, but that is not how i ever meant anything, even if it looks like it.

In advance, i also apologize to the game.

Unvote: Venmar

Please Replace Me Hoopla

Add those to his replacement thing earlier.

Sorry, Venmar, I have to use these things because you are scum.

[MattP]

That post reads genuine.

[MattP]

For 3) I meant I've seen you viewing this thread today

[MattP]

Ok, Mala is conftown.

Town:
Kondi
Bump
Mala
Matt

Which leaves:
Thomith
Venmar
Snake

[MattP]

Both your townreads are based off of townslips that aren't townslips :/

Work with me on Mala. If she flips town my vote it yours all round.

- Problem is that if she flips town we will be at LyLo tomorrow. Not much of a vote gain for just 1 day, and kind of bad if Kondi is actually scum. Then again, i know you Mattp, you're a good player, so your read could be reliable depending if we can trust you to be town.

This post is Venmar responding to my desire to lynch Mala, it is an incredibly scummy post because he basically says he is willing to sheep more for an opportunistic lynching of a player. Pretty much, Venmar is confscum. But let's find his partner.

[MattP]

As I said, snake and venmar don't work, so let's look at Thomith and Venmar.

[MattP]

Posts #29 and #32 can be over-aggressive distancing.

[MattP]

PRs should claim tomorrow regardless of the lynch result today so that scum can't counterclaim in lylo and push for a mislynch.

[MattP]

I don't believe you

[MattP]

I've listed many reasons why.

[MattP]

You're not even trying :/

[MattP]

Look at you, being all elusive

[MattP]

I don't need to, you've painted yourself scum already

[MattP]

You need more practice young padawan.

[MattP]

I really hate you kondi for that hammer.

Why would you wait for a replacement to not even give everyone a chance to say their thoughts about what I've brought up?

I will probably be NKd tonight. Venmar is scum, he practically claimed it, and I have no idea how the fuck you all missed it.

That is all.

[MattP]

Ok Venmar, when you flip scum I will place this on Kondi's list of failed townslip calls and maybe he'll realize that every time he calls a townslip he is actually finding scum.

[MattP]

Kondi isn't a bad player, stop being an ass by the way.

I never said that, but it's cut that you misrep me to be Kondi's white knight to buddy him so that he votes with you. Charming!

[MattP]

Kondi's town reads are much more accurate than your scum reads. So i trust Kondi more.

This is probably a town vs town debate, so let's just hush and wait for Hoopy.

Oh really? Kondi's townreads in 399 were off, and you saw me in the game you replaced out of call BB scum correctly by her FIRST post, so why did you come to that assumption? Because I have a scumread on you?

Obviously you will "trust" kondi more when I have a scumread on you. What a strange thing to say.

[MattP]

You say I can read other people well.

You know Kondi has only misread people in your only game with him.

You say that Kondi can read YOU well but I can't.

So therefore you trust Kondi's reads on everyone else?!?!?!?

I'm not understanding your train of thought!

[MattP]

DO NOT VOTE UNTIL WE GET EVERYONE SAYING THEIR ROLE

I AM NOT COP

[MattP]

Well awesome.

I'm going through every player again. This is all going to be from my perspective.

Let's start with Venmar. If Mr. Bump is town then Venmar is town meaning Thomith and Kondi are scum.

If Mr. Bump is scum then Thomith is town and either Kondi or Venmar are scum.

So we have the following combos left:

Thomith-Kondi
Mr. Bump-Venmar
Mr. Bump-Kondi

This destroys my Venmar-Thomith theory. So I'll go over shit again.

[MattP]

Matt vs Venmar is Town vs Town and completely retarded. I have a head shaped hole in my table. It's SO STUPID.

Before I continue, I am Cop with an Innocent on Venmar. Yeah, me claiming Cop looks back. I hate it when this happens. *yawns*

Then why the fuck did you investigate Venmar?

Scumslip lol.

Mr. Bump is scum and I don't even care.

VOTE: Mr. Bump

[MattP]

unvote

for now

[MattP]

But NONETHELESS he is scum. So the goal is to look at the interactions of Venmar/Kondi/me with Mr. Bump and see which one is his buddy.

[MattP]

Way to make this difficult...

AAGHH

^Oh that was easy.

Venmar is scum with Mr. Bump, trying to soft push around a lynch onto Thomith.

[MattP]

Crap.

A Thomith-Matt team looks AMAZING right now.

Looking over Bump's possible partners.

Kondi, stop having tunnel vision over your Venmar read.

Why the fuck would Bump investigate Venmar last night? Seriously fucking think, I am not losing this game because of tunnel vision.

[MattP]

VOTE: Bump

GG

[MattP]

Lol...

I blame Kondi.

Ok, kondi is the last scum

EASY FUCKING PEASY

[MattP]

YES I LOVE GAMBITS I FUCKING LOVE THEM

[MattP]

I am confused. Legit.

I pretended to be scum with my hammer to see if I could get any legit reactions from town and you gave me one, meaning you are town. Bump confirmed Thomith as town which leaves Kondi.

[MattP]

Unless Thomith and Bump pulled a nasty gambit but I doubt it

[MattP]

Nope Kondi, Venmar's reaction to my fake scumwin was more legit than yours. He gets to be town.

[MattP]

They couldn't play a gambit because someone else would have claimed Cop.

Exactly, so Thomith is town.

If anyone thinks I'm scum right now they're moronic.

That leaves Venmar and Kondi for lylo.

Venmar responded to my fake scumwin by blaming you, something I could NEVER see scum thinking up that quickly. It read too genuine. That leaves you, Kondi, as the last scum.

[MattP]

Lol, did Mattp just own Kondi or something?

Nah, Kondi played brilliantly to his town meta. Thankfully you helped me catch him

[MattP]

It's not that hard to fake.

Pretty sure it's Matt. I already had a town read on Venmar.

This is what you would naturally do as scum right now.

You know I am never going to switch my read on you because you know I'm stubborn as fuck, so you just say that Venmar is town and try to tunnel me for the win. It's your best chance, but it ain't gonna work babe.

pedit: Nah

[MattP]

It's not that hard to fake.

Pretty sure it's Matt. I already had a town read on Venmar.

Why say it's not hard to fake when you think Venmar is town anyway? You think his response was legit to my fake scumclaim because you think he is town, so that sentence makes no sense. It just seems like you're trying to keep me guessing that it's Venmar and that's scummy as fuck if you think I'm the scum.

[MattP]

You know, Mattps playstyle is very aggresive, stubborn, and annoying, but i must say it is effective.

^

[MattP]

@MOD: If the night actions are all sent in within 24 hours can we have an abbreviated night phase?

[MattP]

...I hate you, Matt. -_-

- Just reading over the thread, is this Kondi spiting Mattp for figuring him out?

No, it's him pretending to be mad at me for faking scum.

Thomith, it's ok, Bump scumslipped. And you're dying tonight cuz you're conftown so anything you want to say?

[MattP]

Fuck, Kondi is going to bring thomith to lylo

[MattP]

They couldn't play a gambit because someone else would have claimed Cop.

Exactly, so Thomith is town.

If anyone thinks I'm scum right now they're moronic.

That leaves Venmar and Kondi for lylo.

Venmar responded to my fake scumwin by blaming you, something I could NEVER see scum thinking up that quickly. It read too genuine. That leaves you, Kondi, as the last scum.

^Please read this Thomith

We need everyone on the same boat before tomorrow.

[MattP]

Please note the last part about the fake scumwin.

[MattP]

I doubt Thomith will be kept alive, he will clear someone tomorrow or find scum, too risky.

For example, if Kondi kills Mattp and Thomith cops me, Kondi loses, same if Thomith cops Kondi, Kondi loses. Same thing happens with Mattp if he is scum and Kondi is town.

No, Thomith is dying.

Kk, never mind, then I have no reason to worry.

Thomith, I think my play clears me, especially my argument with Venmar yesterday.

[MattP]

Just in case, investigate kondi tonight, thomith.

[MattP]

Ur funn-e

[MattP]

- This plan suggests i get night killed. I don't like getting night killed.

Issok Kondi has to kill Thomith tonight. We're safe.

Just imagine Kondi like a fishy in a pond, only the pond is getting shallower and shallower and he's increasingly suffering to breath. He's just floppin' around

[MattP]

VOTE: kondi

[MattP]

Nah cuz I have nothing to worry about venmar townslipped.

[MattP]

Also no towncred for that but nice try babe.

[MattP]

Also if venmar is scum he deserves it for that quick thinking after my fakeclaim

[MattP]

Why do you care? You think I'm scum

unvote

[MattP]

Dramas about to happen!

Kondi who is scum?

[MattP]

Now why would you tell me to unvote just so that you could vote?

[MattP]

Who is scum venmar why are you fence sitting

[MattP]

I wish you didn't fucking make every fiber in my body think you were scum other than your townslip

[MattP]

I don't remember in what context I made that reference pls quote

[MattP]

Oh but it doesn't matter you're scum :/

[MattP]

What changed your mind about venmar

[MattP]

I'm not hammering venmar so I hope that proves I'm town. Lemme look over some shit

[MattP]

JUST KIDDING IM SCUM YOU'RE ALL MOH RONS

VOTE: venmar

[MattP]

Wait are you town?

Aw man I should have stuck with my gut

You played well in lylo kondi

[MattP]

Venmar was on the fence about me why the fuck would kondi try to persuade me to vote venmar when it would be so much more likely venmar would vote me? :/ that was a brilliant gambit

[MattP]

Good job should've gone with my gut.

[MattP]

Really good decision

Never playing with venmar again can't read him for shit

[MattP]

That was my first town loss

[MattP]

Also that's 2-1 kondi we have never been on the same team

Pedit: would have made no difference

[MattP]

Venmar I know a town tell of yours now actually which is good it's an annoying one that requires a lot of tunneling on you but nonetheless

Kondi we need to settle this with a dual

[MattP]

What is that Mattp?

I'm not gonna tell you sill-e! I need to test it first in a round.

Kondi, I summon Bitch Slap Trap Card