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[Deadpool]

Hi.

[Deadpool]

Hey guys, I skimmed through this game before we replaced in. I am planning to catch up tonight and Arthur is planning to do it tonight as well. First impression - town read on Cerulean, null on Thor. I find Sixty scummy for pushing Piggy's lynch - it seems like the easy thing to do and the sort of thing Tierce would do as scum. I haven't played with Vi before and don't have a read on her but I am confident enough that their slot is scum. I haven't read fully in detail though and that might take some time.

One of Arthur and I will probably hammer tonight if our suspicions are validated upon a re-read.

~F-16

[Deadpool]

Where did they admit they were scum?

[Deadpool]

Okay, lets do it. I love the instant gratification of hammering people when the mod is online.

VOTE: Sixty

[Deadpool]

Fucking hell this game is nightless I was hoping to catch up during the night...

I guess I'll try to get to this tonight. And I think F-16 semi-caught up, so he should be posting his thoughts soonish.

[Deadpool]

It says nightless in the fucking title.

That doesn't mean there's no break though? Nightless can still have like a 24-hour break.

[Deadpool]

Okay I got through to page 10. More to come later tonight hopefully.

Piggy reads as somewhat nervous in the beginning.
What the actual fuck.
I can see why people are attacking absta early on.
Thor is town.
72 (Pig) reads as slightly scummy.
What the hell is 75
N reads fine. So does Tampire.
102 (Soul) is rather bad.
Tampire read town.
112 (Equ) reads town.
114 (Soul) reads bad.
Hmm 199 (Soul) doesn’t seem that bad. Prob negates 114 actually.
Wait 120 (Tampire) is bad.
Mehdi reads as somewhat good now.
Did Piggy (138) call the whole playerlist that posted town?
Oh wait actually she’s scum for that ending. She can die when I get to the end.
Don’t really like JS’ entry.
Wait why does Tampire have a scumread on Thor again
Dammit Tampire is towntelling pretty hard but I STILL don’t get the thor read.
Oh wait nvm Tampire can be town for surie.
Tampire Thor fight is town on town.
“Wow...are you a runner? Cuz if you are, you can probably run twice your normal distance after that stretch.” – I seriously fell from my chair.
Jesse reads as somewhat scum.

Thus far:

Piggy, JS
N
Thor, Equi
Tampire, Soul

~ He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named

[Deadpool]

Mod pretty sure JT voted soul here, and your link doesn't lead to a switch.

You're right. Looks like the counting script got confused, probably as a side-effect of deleting a post. Fixed. – callforjudgement

[Deadpool]

I can see why people are attacking absta early on.

Why do you say so?

Because I can? I mean, the statement can stand by itself, but I actually meant that people who attacked him looked like they were scumhunting, etc, because I also would've done the same from what I saw as awkward posting.

[Deadpool]

People should read this post: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p4472609 and especially focus on the end because that is arguably the scummiest link to Tierce I read thus far.

[Deadpool]

Is this Arthur? Why did you ask about night less? When we played in heterosexual revolution there were not breaks.

Why did you just declare thor as town?

Why did you feel the need to show your work for developing a town read on me? Why did you say the post in which I asked equinox why she was townreading thor was bad? Why does it seem like your read on me is partially dependent on my read of Thor. And, where did you get that I have a scum read on Thor?

Your 120 indicated you had a scumread on Thor.

~Wade Winston Wilson

[Deadpool]

When you ask a player why they have a townread on a player it does make it look like you have a scumread on them

Also note that I later said "Oh wait nvm Tampire can be town for surie" which was put when I looked back and realized you might not have a scumread on Thor.

Btw Tammy, who is scum?

~Hero of Hire

[Deadpool]

Tammy, off the top of your head, who is scum?

Without discussing it. Without looking back. Who do you have a bad feeling about?

[Deadpool]

Also...what the hell, if you thought that then why are we even having this discussion?

Because there's a lot going on in my mind that doesn't actually go on the post, so it may look like I think one thing but I actually changed my mind as I went through the thread that isn't even remotely clear *shrug*

[Deadpool]

Tammy, off the top of your head, who is scum?

Without discussing it. Without looking back. Who do you have a bad feeling about?

Why are you asking me this in the way you're asking me this.

It's simple. Who do you suspect this very moment? Surely looking at the playerlist you lean on some players one way and others a different way. Who is feeling scum to you right now?

[Deadpool]

Why are you asking me that the way you are asking?

Why do you insist on prolonging this unnecessarily?

Who is scum

right now

? You're not going to be held to this. You can change your mind after you reread discuss whatever. Idc if you change your mind or whatever, but who do you think is scum looking at the playerlist right now?

[Deadpool]

Also, I have asked you this twice now. Why is your read of me dependent on my read of Thor.

It's not.

[Deadpool]

Because. I'm not going to cave to you Arthur.

This is not a trick

It should be a simple thing for you to answer. Why are you asking me that the way you're asking.

You mean in english? Or...? I don't see what's wrong with the question. Who do you think is scum

right now

?

[Deadpool]

When you ask a player why they have a townread on a player it does make it look like you have a scumread on them

also note that I later said "Oh wait nvm Tampire can be town for surie" which was put when I looked back and realized you might not have a scumread on Thor.

Btw Tammy, who is scum?

~Hero of Hire

I've bolded for you the important part Arthur. Now why is your read on me dependent on my read on Thor.

Oh right that. Yea because it would've been really dumb to have a scumread on Thor then. Note it's not really completely dependent, as I did say you're were towntelling pretty hard but I still didn't understand your Thor scumread, then I realized that question might not have totally indicated you had a scumread on Thor.

[Deadpool]

I'm interested in your motivation for asking me for my top scum reads, right now, without thinking, without discussion.

Why do you refuse to answer the question though? I'm not saying I'm binding you to the answer. I'm saying you've been in this game for whatever many pages we have now, surely when you look at the playerlist you lean towards some people one way and others a different way. Who's leaning scum?

[Deadpool]

Unless you think a boogie man will materialize from the underworld or something to kill you for pronouncing someone's name then I don't see why you're still refusing to answer.

Pedit: To Tammy obv.

[Deadpool]

I wanted to find out his motivation. It should be easy for him to answer. Like, your a strong town read and I'd like your opinion. Or I want to know without you looking back because I know you tend to talk yourself out of things but are sometimes accurate when you just answer off the top of your head. Or any number of things, but it's coming off weird.

I think you and Empire are planning reads.

Pedit: Okay.

[Deadpool]

You think empire and I are planning reads? What does that even mean?

I think you and Empire are planning reads.

I think you deliberately agreed on the Tierce thing, and your others reads are scattered and shallow, and they look fake. Your reads just now are very shallow also.

As you said it yourself, you usually have strong gut reads, and then you always go talk yourself out of them, etc. Yet

you

(Tammy you, not hydra you) barely has strong opinions on other players.

[Deadpool]

Arthur - why is it dumb to think Thor is scum? Explain why you have such a strong town read on him.

He read as genuine, and something prob caught my eye on my reading that made him town.

Have you finished reading the game yet?

More or less. I've been ISOing players more tbh.

Why hasn't f-16 been posting?

It has been like 6hrs since we replaced A little bit ago he said he was procrastinating on his re-read and that he'll have a catchup post tomorrow *shrug*

[Deadpool]

I think you and Empire are planning reads.

Aren't they kinda supposed to? Being a hydra and all that.

That thought came out stupid but I meant they were deliberately contriving reads.

[Deadpool]

Hey Arthur - riddle me this. Why do you have me listed as a strong town read? Why were you talking about me town telling?

I was still reading the game then? (and I still loosely am).

You know my meta. You know for an absolute fact I'm town here, so this bs your spilling is crap. I have strong reads...do I need to go back and read and evaluate? Hell yes. I spent the past week pushing the hell out of scum. And am largely responsible for getting them lynched. You think without me and empire, that would have happened? Hell no. We have three lynches left; I pushed the one I was confident in and now is the time to go back and reassess to make sure our reads are accurate and we get this done on day 3. For you to suggest that's not pragmatic is ridiculous.

Why did this turn into preaching about how you pushed Tierce/Vi

[Deadpool]

Oh Arthur it would have been better if you acted like town.

Ikr /sarcasm.

Anywho bye lovely thread have some sweet bliss to attend to (I haven't slept for some 20hrs <_<)

Pedit: You're cool Mehdi. You read scummy first but then extremely town.

~Weapon X.

[Deadpool]

@Deadpool - what do you, coming from 20+ games of experience, think of Tammy calling herself a waffle queen and how does that feed into your current read there?

She's town bro.

Like, super town.

Sorry Tammy :/ I mean, I was super exhausted yesterday, the game was so fucking dense, and somehow I did not expect so many walls <_< I really needed to get a read on you, and you know that's easiest to do :p I literarly was bullshitting reads, and that catchup I did was pathetic at best seeing I was skimming everything fast. And there are different levels of mad that you get that indicate whether you're town or not.

The actual intention started harmless because I really was lost and wanted your thoughts. But then decided push it instead when you refused to answer. And you towntold like super hard *shrug* (tbh it was like déjà vu from that game you were Tuon).

Mehdi is also town for 750. Pretty confident in that, don't really see it coming out of a scum.

Anyways, I'll try to get a stronger read on everybody else by today. Thor still seems town from what I remember (though his resent stuff made me pause, so I'll take a look at that), and Piggy is still scummy in my mind. F-16 should also be here today to finish his reread and post thoughts.

~Landau, Luckman, and Lake - Agent

[Deadpool]

At this point, how likely can a Thor happened (to everyone) (I don't think that sentence is grammatically correct -_-)? As in, how many people have already explained their opinion on Thortown? Idk, it may be that it's Thor/Piggy and he told her to vote him because he clearly wouldn't be lynched anyway at that point?

[Deadpool]

Piggy does a derp vote.
Thor becomes a scumtell.
#mylife

I saw here play a much more confident game as town in micro 36 though. Here she just seems so nervous, and I can see here being coached by you.

[Deadpool]

Why does the flavor of this game read suspiciously close to One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest?

[Deadpool]

Vote: Piggy

.

[Deadpool]

Thor you should hammer your partner.

Or JS it doesn't really matter.

[Deadpool]

Thor/jesse/n adding to it piggy's meta isn't even completely null. Her awkwardness at start of this game isn't really same type of strange as faking a pr just for meta reasons. It's more forced this game then other wise (considering how often she brought up herself as a defense).

~Mehdi

Agree with this. Her beginning posting really seemed awkward and forced and all the emotes and smilies.

C'moooon hammer alreadddyyy.

[Deadpool]

C'mon Thor bro I see you logged in <_< How long will it take to come in here and bold Piggy's name

(not that it'll matter it'll prob take cfj sometime to come in and call end scene but whatever).

Pedit: Hey look me and faraday think alike

[Deadpool]

[Deadpool]

Wtf there's 2 scum in like literally more than half a playerlist of strong town.

What the fuck.

Pretty sure actually it's 2/3 of Thor, N, and Jess.

F-16 will prob have some goodposting later. I told him it's prob best to pause on the rereads until we get a piggy flip *shrug*

(if someone is fucking trolling and prolonging this more than it has to this is not cool -_-)

[Deadpool]

Deadpool - ill have some questions for you in a bit that you get to stop ignoring, and want to see f-16's thoughts as well as your updated thought very soon.

Tammy to be honest I am really not interested in getting into a debate with you neither do I really care to get interrogated at this point. If you think I'm scum you can raise the roof and try to get me lynched, but don't really expect me to turn this into a wallwar or a back and forth debate.

You're town. I'm town. I know you're town.

You

know deep down that I'm town. If you put your emotions aside, and look at the cold hard facts, you would realize that you know I'm town. But as long as you're entertaining your paranoid fantasies, you'll continue down your confirmation bias and frankly see everything I do or say as town.

Yes, I'm fucking stupid this game. Yes, I still haven't looked at like half of the game yet. But you already know my stupidity doesn't make me scum *shrug*

Anyways I'll try to see who I most want to lynch from N/Thor/Jess today or tomorrow. Though I'll mostly be sheeping the shit out of F-16 when he finishes his thoughts.

Also, is there a solid reason JT isn't scum? Just trying to set aside my townreads so I don't have to even consider them again, but I pretty much have solid reasons for Soul and Tampire. Don't really have that strong of a reason to put JT in the forever and ever town pile tbh

[Deadpool]

So you think both leading wagons here are on scum with their partner voting each other in a game where if either of them get lynched they autoloss? I think the chance that they're the scum-team are pretty close to 0% whereas N and Jesse have argued but haven't really voted each other for long periods or when each where realistically close to being lynched yet. But lets say that you're right about Jesse / N not being partners (Which I do want to see a little backing towards other than just them arguing) that means it has to be Thor + N? If that's the case can you show me how they work as a scum-team?

So you're saying it's best to lynch N as he could be with Thor or Jesse but it doesn't really matter?

[Deadpool]

Wtf there's 2 scum in like literally more than half a playerlist of strong town.

What the fuck.

Pretty sure actually it's 2/3 of Thor, N, and Jess.

F-16 will prob have some goodposting later. I told him it's prob best to pause on the rereads until we get a piggy flip *shrug*

(if someone is fucking trolling and prolonging this more than it has to this is not cool -_-)

This sounds like you knew the day wasnt going to end.

Except this was made after no one said they were aligned with Piggy

[Deadpool]

And I don't believe for a second, you wouldn't have some real thoughts of your own Arthur. I know you joined this game because you knew faraday was in it and wanted to play with him, so you utter lack of actual thoughts and shitposting makes no sense whatsoever.

I seriously didn't know the game was actually that dense *shrug*

And I do have real thoughts? It's 2 of N/Thor/Jess, setting aside paranoia of JT.

[Deadpool]

Dunno. I mean I think they theoretically could be? Not everything scum do is scum motivated anyway, he might just suck at scum really bad? I don't actually know if I've seen him as scum/remember seeing him as scum now it's mentioned.

1) I do suck at scum. Like, horribly suck. And I think I only had 3 scum games on here? Newbie 1237, The Heterosexual Revolution one I replaced into, and Micro 8 with Myko. I sucked horribly in all 3 and the only reason we actually won the 3rd game was because town sucked more (expect Farside she was onto us but the rest of the town were really stupid).

2) I can

also

suck as town.

[Deadpool]

Also, why 2 of those people. Who of them are most likely?

Prob best way to go is to lynch N imo. He can be partnered with any of Thor or Jess, but it doesn't really matter. I trust Faraday when he says that scum prob wouldn't be voting each other yesterday when Thor/Jess were voting each other and there was no way for them to know that a Piggy lynch would've risen up, so that only leaves N.

[Deadpool]

Good if you have thoughts. Answer my questions. Seriously.

Can you please compile all the questions you want answered in one post please? I'm really not sure what you still want answered and what all the questions were.

Pedit: Kk I'll look back.

[Deadpool]

Thor you should hammer your partner.

Or JS it doesn't really matter.

The day before you has thor as strong town, such strong town that you thought it was dumb to suspect him. Why did you have him as such strong town that you pretty much were basing my read on my read on Thor? And what happened to that over night?

Basically I want to see how you went from Thor so town it's dumb to suspect him to he's piggy's partner most likely over night.

Don't answer this in fluff. I want to see your thought process. Also don't ignore it again, I asked you a similar question yesterday.

I'm not really sure. I was reading Thor as town in the beginning, and the debate with you and Thor read as town on town. But then not really when I re-looked at it, and Piggy really did look like she was partnered with Thor. The way she just came off with the POE and everything seemed forced as hell.

And you know, there has to be 2 scums. And I think you soul and jt are town. I mean I guess I can also think of Thor as town, but if he's scum he'd be partnered with N anyways so it's best to just lynch N.

Also, where's your Soul townread coming from?

I don't know how well of a play Mehdi plays, but her play after the initial start (which was somewhat suspicious) read extremely

extremely

genuine. And in 750: "Dead am I scum? I'm pushing thor is scum and am somehow a town read too?", I really don't see coming from scum at all.

[Deadpool]

That does not explain your "it's dumb to suspect" Thor thing you had going on.

It actually does? I thought it was pretty obv from the debate that both of you were town (hint, I was skimming), but then it turned out to me I might've been wrong *shrug*.

If you read the back and forth and decided that it was town on town, what was up with pushing me to make me "town mad" to get a read on me? Why did you deflect the questions I had for you, not answer them, and fling suspicion on me?

I was tired, exhausted, and tbh I was annoyed by your questions (not by their content but by the fact that it felt like bombarding esp when I had spent so much time before trying to read the hugely dense thread). I mean, read this. See how many questions were right there one after another and imagine me seeing this at like midnight when I hadn't slept for like 20hrs:

Is this Arthur? Why did you ask about night less? When we played in heterosexual revolution there were not breaks.

Why did you just declare thor as town?

Why did you feel the need to show your work for developing a town read on me? Why did you say the post in which I asked equinox why she was townreading thor was bad? Why does it seem like your read on me is partially dependent on my read of Thor. And, where did you get that I have a scum read on Thor?

In fact, you and prob faraday would prob realize why I thought nightless meant there can still be breaks. Hint - Glokta.

[Deadpool]

I have read the first 9 pages - that's it. The material was so dense it took me 2 and a half hours to write this. I have two midterms on Wednesday so I'll be catching up with the remaining 30+ pages on Wednesday evening or the Thanksgiving weekend. This game was highly interesting. As you can see my reads are a confused mess. I don't really have solid scumreads but the scummiest players so far were JesseSheffield and N. I don't have a post on N since he posted so little - that'll have to wait till Wednesday at least. I had a scumread on Equinox but Arthur said that Regfan is playing to his town-meta so I'll figure out what that's about when I have time.

1) Justin Timberlake

Equinox's 112 had too much agreement and little new content. Vague complaints about walls and meta, trying to shove Cerulean's/Thor's argument under the rug saying that it is indicative more of ego than alignment. Agreed with an N townread. N has barely posted up to that point after people had started calling him a townread. There is scum motivation to hide in the shadows once everyone is convinced you are town as opposed to becoming even more active and help hunt for even more scum which to me would be a towntell. Equinox explaining the Thor town-read to Cerulean in 121 seems off as well. While the reasoning was decent, the fact that Equinox backs off of that read and says that he needs to verify that he is not doing bogus psychoanalysis reads off and looks like an excuse to weaken a townread to potentially support a Thor-lynch later.

2) Cerulean

Post 82 was the first instance of suspicion of Sixty coming from Cerulean. The Thor-paranoia reads genuine considering I just played a game with Thor where we were both town and I had similar concerns. I disagree that N's questioning of Piggy was town-ish. It was null to me at best. Asking Thor what he thought about Sixty's case and pressing him for answers makes Cerulean look good and Thor look bad from the exchange (more detail in under the Thor heading). Cerulean asking Voided what he thinks of Sixty's case on Piggy seems like they are onto Sixty and want additional associative tells - again townish.

3) JesseSheffield

Jesse's 155 looks bad and focusses too much on minor details as opposed to the big picture which is evident by the multiple quoting and asking irrelevant questions. Also, I find it convenient that he chose Piggy and Absta to question both of whom had been under some heat by then. His question to Cerulean also seems very irrelevant and useless. Soul1227 pressing Jesse on why he is hiding his reads makes me lean town on Soul and scum on Jesse. It does seem like Jesse is waiting for interactions with others to see if there is anyone he needs to be wary of and to adjust his reads accordingly as opposed to revealing his hand and updating reads as necessary. 167 where Jesse explains the Equinox read makes me lean town - I had similar feelings to Equinox but the remainder of his post questioning Piggy and his 173 makes me lean scum once again.

Post 185 seems to be mostly irrelavant as well. Catfight with Cerulean, posturing about the ability of scumhunting merit, complaints about "slogging through crap." Seems like a scum excuse to not be helpful. Cerulean's 192 makes a good point that the entire post has nothing to do with Sixty. From my experience, scum tend to avoid talking about each other too much so there could be a clue here. Sixty's 196 where she references to Jesse saying that Absta isn't necessarily town seems to me like a subtle directive to Jesse to push the Absta wagon.

Post 206 while well-thought out sided with the wrong players - calls Sixty town and Voided scum. The amount of scumminess really depends on how much incentive scum have to buddy up in this game as opposed to bus. I think buddying is a good strategy so leaning scum on this although the level of detail in this and a few other posts makes my scumread a little weaker than it was before. Sixty's 222 where they explain to Jesse that it was all Tammy and not Empire who was arguing with him doesn't seem like between scumbuddies. There was an element of placating that Sixty was doing which makes me feel that they are not aligned together.

4) N

5) Soul2277

Post 90: I can see some scum motivations here. Asks Piggy to continue on who Piggy thinks is scum on her wagon. At that point, much more content had been generated, so it seems somewhat backward and irrelevant to the then current topic of discussion. Questions to Sixty seem like softballs as well - no hard accusations, just leaning scum reads. Further questioning of Cerulean and Thor on page 5 makes me lean town though - trying to actively figure out affiliations and scumhunting. I like Soul's questioning of Jesse on page 7 as well - I can see the town motivations behind it, and I had trouble understanding Jesse's posts as well.

Reading, Soul1227's 197, I lean scum on it. It is decent but it bothers me that Soul is pushing for people who ignored Sixty's case while themselves haven't really said all that much or voted Sixty. It seems like they know Sixty are scum and are trying to figure out who else to associate with Sixty. The fact that OS doesn't suspect Jesse for something that does seem fairly suspicious seems off to me. Soul's subsequent vote on Sixty reads vey town-ish though and takes away my previous suspicion as it validates that Soul had a scumread on Sixty and is looking for other opinions. Their vote also made it seem like Sixty is a viable lynch candidate since so far, the only person who had expressed suspicion of Sixty was Cerulean. However, nearly no one else really suspected Sixty so would the wagon have gone through at all? I am flip-flopping a little here but it is safe to say Soul is town based on the vote.

6) Thor665

First impression was a null/Thor read. Reading through his page 4 exchange with Piggy has me leaning slight town considering he asked for Piggy's town games where she was lynched which showed incentive to figure out affiliation of a player rather than just push a lynch based on the derp things even a townie might do. It also came off in stark contrast to Sixty's 79 which does precisely that.

Thor's interactions with Sixty is 80 has me conflicted. If Thor hadn't said that it was a reach, I might have ruled him out as Sixty's scumbuddy since a good player like Thor wouldn't buddy so blatantly with his partner. But that addendum there that Sixty's case was a reach after he agrees with Sixty's case rubs me the wrong way, as if Thor is trying to distance himself from Sixty while jumping on the same wagon as his buddy. I like that Thor questioned Cerulean's N townread in 83 since I had the same question myself while reading through Cerulean's post. He also seemed slightly frustrated that Piggy isn't getting what he is saying which seems like townie frustration to me. 85 though, I sense a bit of evasiveness from Thor since he doesn't answer Cerulean's question directly about Sixty's case and asks Cerulean to look at his previous response. Elaboration would have been good at that point. Scum have motivation to say as little as possible about their partners especially in this setup and the subtle evasion can be a means to that end.

Thor's inquisitive nature on page 6 and henceforth reads town-ish as does his 178 since he is making a lot of effort to get his point across despite being a town-read of Cerulean.

~ F-16

[Deadpool]

I'm starting to think it's Thor/N.

Don't really see Jess/N anymore. Don't think they would just argue back and forth like that wasting their time. I mean I guess they can be planning it.

Eh, still the best lynch is N.

~Secret Defender

[Deadpool]

First of all I’d like to say if scum is comprised of two of the three Cerulean/Soul/Deadpool you’re probably going to win this game, good job.

We did it Tammy!

[Deadpool]

Jesse reads genuine :/

(Idk I can see scum pulling the oh-here-let's-just-vote-this-other-dude-who-isn't-my-partner-after-arguing-with-my-partner-and-pushing-on-him but that's somewhat stupid logic and he reads overall genuine.)

[Deadpool]

I hate the fact scum have daytalk :/ (which they can be using very well to their advantage if they're smart). It kinda makes me paranoid of everything as maybe a trick or a planned strategy.

[Deadpool]

This game needs four Townies to be broken. As long as these Townies aren't lynched, we win. We have these four Townies already: Cerulean, absta, Thor and us.

When did Sixty get a townread on Thor?

[Deadpool]

(Idk I can see scum pulling the oh-here-let's-just-vote-this-other-dude-who-isn't-my-partner-after-arguing-with-my-partner-and-pushing-on-him but that's somewhat stupid logic and he reads overall genuine.)

Do you think scum would pull that after what happened to Piggy in the manner of like, minutes.

Actually prob. You're proving my point that a wagon can rise fast and that a Thor wagon can rise fast and earn you and N a victory.

But that logic is stupid because as I already said you read town plus I don't think scum can hope to get a fast wagon on someone in lylo. They'd prob be going for something like a subtle push, because hoping for a wagon to rise out of thin air is rather risky (unless one of the scum is JT in which he has a pretty good chance to get a lynch on one of the two town of Jess/N/Thor but again that's just being paranoid and I'm putting JT in the town pile).

[Deadpool]

Regarding Thor: we tend to always read him as scum. We didn't see the initial V/LA questioning on Piggy as something that made sense as Town, for example (since it was reading as a joke), but for once he's not doing what he's known for: push wagons on ridiculous reasoning. He is reading more grounded, more interested in things that actually matter. This could be an effect of our explanation for the scumread on him in Reverse Mafia (which included his (apparently null) tendency to argue 'just because'), it could be a conclusion from his "Awards and the Metagame" thread, could be something else entirely--the point is, he is not trying to twist words, he is not trying to roll in pointless arguments, he is playing in a straightforward manner that seems coherent. In addition, Thor is not openly trolling--he actually reads interested in scumhunting and genuinely interested on reading everyone else.

The main reservation we have about this Townread is that it's based on Thor not matching his usual play instead of doing something openly Townish. However, the point is that Thor tries to emulate his Town play as scum, so the meta divergence would make more sense to originate in a Town game instead of a scum one.

This is reading scummy to me It seems like it's forcibly trying to instill a townread on Thor in other players.

[Deadpool]

A) Jesse + N B) Jesse + Thor

C) Jesse + Soul

D) N + Thor

E) N + Soul

F) Thor + Soul

Helped you there Reg! :p

(Plus what faraday said makes sense so eliminating b is good, and I really don't see Jesse/N getting into a useless debate like that as both scums, so eliminate a, and we're left with, bingo!)

[Deadpool]

If we are lynched, so be it--add Jesse to the list of people that must not be lynched (absta, Cerulean, Jesse, Thor), and flip the rest.

Would the puppy really dare to put both her scummy buddies in the don't lynch pile? Hmmm....

[Deadpool]

Fun fact: There is exactly 4 times "N" shows up in the puppy's ISO. 3 of those are when it appears in a quote by someone else (and she's not responding to that particular part).

The 4th is as useless, when she is mentions him when talking about someone else [Piggy]:

She starts with Voidedmafia and Thor, ignores N and Equinox, mentions absta and does nothing about it, and we are scummy in some undisclosed form. Why those four players in particular?

Fun fact 2.0: Guess who also ignores N?

[Deadpool]

We don't need to be alive to win this, and Vi won't be around much (if at all) for the next week plus. I'm obviously not happy, but I'm not about to throw a bitch fit in the thread, as that will only distract from what is important regarding Those Who Must Not Be Lynched. It's a Nightless game, so we can trust capable players (namely Tammy/Empire) to do the purging that needs to be done without dying halfway through. Don't forget our Townreads and carry on.

She keeps fucking mentioning the Those Who Must Not Be Lynched

TM

list over and over. I really can't see her putting both her scumbuddies on it.

[Deadpool]

Faraday seriously you are pissing me off. You are reaching MoI levels of antagonization ad quite frankly I've had enough of that to last me for a lifetime.

I haven't read the thread completely so even if I did present reads I am sure you'd fucking twist it an spin them to fit your own needs. I had already planned on leaving BEFORE you even responded so don't give me that crap that I am leaving when you asked me for reads. I'm not fake raging this is legitimate anger. I don't expect this from you or Regfan. Yes Mehdi voted but that doesn't mean I had no involvement. It's a fucking hydra. He asked me if it was okay to vote Sixty and I said yes. Do you want me to show you our hydra logs because I will do if it will stop you from acting all high and mighty like this.

Honestly this scenario is almost exactly like god damn dirty dealing where MoI was so convinced we were scum because we had a differing read on him.

If you really want a read from me Farday it's that I think you are scum if Sixty is scum. You are twisting my words in a way that I have never seen from your town play and you are being an asshole about on top of it. Your words about us being scum belies that you somehow "know" for a fact that Sixty is scum. You are tryin to fucking tie us to a sinking ship hence all of your twisting of words.

Let me ask you this question, what is your opinion of Sixty if Voided flips mafia?

Now fuck off and I'll be back later.

Hey look Soultown.

[Deadpool]

I'd hammer Sixty, but I want them to come in and make some more incriminating posts and hopefully out their buddies for real.

As opposed to what others have said this actually sounds extremely forced

[Deadpool]

Nut the N wagon is gaining steam, look at how fascinating it is.

When did you get a scumread on N?

[Deadpool]

Are we lynching N yet - feels like we were lynching N.

Seriously?

Deadpool fun fact 3: N appears exactly 5 times in Thor's ISO before he liked the wagon on him.

The first 3 are him saying to Tampire why they have N as a higher townread than himself.

The last 2 are these:

Spoiler:

I was starting to think the third could be Thor, because he hadn't called me scummy yet (he always seems to - okay, in the two completed games we have together he did), but he just voted for me so that's all okay.

I'd hammer Sixty, but I want them to come in and make some more incriminating posts and hopefully out their buddies for real.

Is this how you got your scumread on N Thor? Seriously?

[Deadpool]

Nut the N wagon is gaining steam, look at how fascinating it is.

Are we lynching N yet - feels like we were lynching N.

I think Piggy and N are both likely town.

[Deadpool]

Thor buddy, what happened from:

I'd hammer Sixty, but I want them to come in and make some more incriminating posts and hopefully out their buddies for real.

To:

N comes in and clearly admits he thinks they're in trouble and even goes to the point of claiming the hammer.
Then he's like 'meh, but I want them to talk more so they can incriminate other stuff'

I'm not sure I see that one from scum

, I would expect scum wanting to do the bus to pick up on the energy of the wagon and want to do it moreso for points and roll in with the rage hammer.

[Deadpool]

What?

[Deadpool]

(PS Jess you didn't bold your vote).

[Deadpool]

Actually F-16 thinks it's N/Jess and I think it's N/Thor, soooo,

Vote: N

.

[Deadpool]

Also, which head made that case?

I think that's pretty obv

(Also it wasn't really a case it was more of me going through Sixty's posts to see if I can already confirm my bias. Apparently people don't trust my oracle powers without some sort of evidence )

[Deadpool]

Actually F-16 thinks it's N/Jess and I think it's N/Thor, soooo,

So why isn't this head reading the thread as he makes these conclusions?
Because I'm accusing you of skimming like a boss.

Does that change the fact you're scum though?

Be honest. Does me putting shit effort change the fact you're scum?

[Deadpool]

It's hardly a wagon if there's only 1 vote. Also, Deadpool's trying to distract onto the Thor wagon. He doesn't care which of Thor or I are voted for, as long as it's not you.

Umm, no

I think I made it pretty obv that I want you lynched?

(Also what is so wrong about fucking trying to sway a lynch the way you think scum lies again?)

PS: Very good. As long as Jess isn't voted I'm happy. You wanna know why?

Here's the shocker:

Spoiler:

BECAUSE I THINK HE'S FUCKING TOWN

[Deadpool]

I am addicted to this game so a bit more input. I am go over the rest of the rest of the game briefly since I have no intention of spending 10 hours with catch up posts.

Pages 10 -20 (Until the end of Day 1)

:

- Jesse continues posts like 225 which are basically complaints which have nothing to do with the game. Overjustification of his LOL on the bullshit drama, calls out Tammy for her posts. Sure, Tammy wasn't very nice to him but she has been giving reads and moving the game forward while all Jesse does is complain about Tammy's behavior and fluffs a lot. What's getting to me most is his tone where he tries to justify himself as opposed to being on the aggressive. A few posts later, calls Cerulean's question "non-serious" and Tammy had to clarify that in fact it was.

- Discrediting Cerulean saying that it isn't possible to get a town/scum read based off of a person's first post.

- N shows up. New job, understandable. What the problem now is that he is continuing his questioning of Piggy and that discussion had long passed. There was so much interesting stuff that happenned since N had left the thread and there are no comments about any of them. He has time to pick up on then-irrelevant stuff like Piggy and ignores the new developments between Cerulean, Jesse, and Soul.

- Jesse 244, chainsaw defends Sixty and goes after Cerulean. Considering two scum lynches are enough to ensure a scum loss, I can see this as a potential tactic at that point in time when it wasn't obvious Sixty was going to get lynched. Then Jesse votes Voided a few posts later - bad vote.

- Sixty/Soul interaction on page 11 strengthens my townread on Soul. Equinox gives a bunch of townreads on page 12. JustinTimberlake sways my opinion of Jesse a bit with the catch up post 323. I am still not convinced Jesse is town since he did support Sixty. But the way Sixty was trying to subtly buddy with him saying that Tammy was mean etc., seemed to me like they were trying to get Jesse on their good side and it seemed to have worked. I am not as sure as before and need to meta Jesse to figure it out.

Next interesting thing of note: Empire's wall against Sixty and Tammy's wall against Sixty. Empire's showed a tremendous amount of effort and I pretty much agree with most of the analysis as well as quite a bit of Tammy's analysis as well. It is safe they are confirmed town just based on those posts.

N's 436 shows a lack of effort to read the game and figure out what was going on. "Piggy did some scummy shit early in the game, I don't remember" and other quotes like that.

JustinTimberlake reads as scum. Once Sixty hammered, they started going after Sixty hard - they need to as scum. It makes sense to bus a buddy after a bad quickhammer. That and the fact that JustinTimberlake had Voided and Sixty as their biggest scumreads while voting Voided Day 1 rubs me the wrong way - trying to ensure a mislynch while having a buddy as a top scumread.

So far, N is my biggest scumread, followed by JesseSheffield/JustinTimberlake in about equal measure. Oversoul: town. Cerulean: obvtown. Thor: thor.

~ F-16

[Deadpool]

Oh, Deadpool (Mostly Arthur) can you explain your town read on Soul in detail, like point by point so I can understand what I'm missing because getting a solid-town read on them will help massively and Post 902 from them really really rubbed me the wrong way; They were the lead vote on Piggy and showed confidence the entire time so their initial reaction after the hammer being questioning someone else and continuing to scumhunt rather than thinking it was over feels unnatural and at this point barely anyone had posted meaning that Piggy-Scum would have been something they should still have believed in there.

455 reads extremely genuine and genuinely frustrated. I mean the anger can be a little over the top, but I can see OS getting angry with faraday like that. Things esp like “It's a fucking hydra. He asked me if it was okay to vote Sixty and I said yes,” read most genuine (yea I know the actual sentence is not really alignment indicative but the thought behind it reads town).

And as I already said I really don’t see 750 coming from scum. Where Mehdi says “Dead am I scum? I'm pushing thor is scum and am somehow a town read too?” just doesn’t seem to come from scum. I mean yes it can be trying to discredit me, but it is highly unlikely with how she was also saying I’m town. It seems genuinely trying to understand my viewpoint.

Also, 902 is in response to Thor's "We do Jesse tomorrow if there is a tomorrow though." Plus it seems like it's mostly just suspicious of Thor. And I don't really see it as them knowing that Piggy will flip town, in fact the whole sentence is more reading to me like "Wait thor who's jesse's partnered with if it's not piggy?" as in she still believes Piggyscum and saying something like "Who COULD Jess be partnered with if not obv piggy" Not sure if this makes sense but the sentence isn't really reading scummy to me.

[Deadpool]

(Arthur) Going to be semi-V/LA till Sunday night. Stuffing my face with turkey and all that good stuff.

[Deadpool]

And if we're talking about possible pairings, have a look at Jesse and Deadpool/absta. Jesse spent a lot of time early in the game soft-defending Absta, until Absta came in and said "Wtf is your problem? Stop defaming me." Even after that, the only thing Jesse actually addressed Absta with was a generic "Can you explain a lot more in depth your reads?"
After Deadpool replaced in, Jesse has only addressed him is in general futile chatter. First thing Deadpool says about Jesse is "Jesse reads as somewhat scum." and makes a small case against him, before suddenly (with no mentions of him in between) "Jesse reads genuine :/" and telling him "I already said you read town" and then that last bit of chain-sawing on me and Thor (I hope I'm using the right buzzword here).
I know Sixty listed them both in the never lynch list, but thinking about Sixty's play, I think she'd either list both of their buddies, or neither.

This is scum.

Huge stretch, and first he started soft pushing me because I thought Jess was town and he got angry because he was trying to push a mislynch, and now he follows up trying to incriminate me Def pulling shit out of his ass just trying to get a Jess lynch.

More N votes please.

[Deadpool]

OH SHIT THIS ISN’T LYLO WHY DIDN’T NO ONE FUCKING TELL ME THIS EVEN WHEN I MENTIONED IT WAS LYLO THINKING IT WAS LYLO?

Wtf then N wagon ahoy!

[Deadpool]

It's because they're partners duh.

Notice how aloof and uncaring Thor is attempting to appear while softly pushing against an N lynch.

[Deadpool]

I am catching up now. I have been reading new info as it pops up (except the walls) so, if there is anything you want me to comment on now, let me know. Otherwise, I'll probably be done in a couple of hours (if I am being optimistic).

Regarding the other question - why I called Thor a "Thor read": Partly because I don't yet have a good read on him and partly as a joke - read his wiki, and partly because I pushed a lynch on him in another game when we were both town assuming that his scum game is extremely good. I'll post my thought on Thor when I am finished.

Preliminary thoughts: I am really undecided on the whole "baiting to see if anyone doesn't join the Sixty wagon." I can see both town and scum motivations behind it - town because of just what he said. Scum because he had a neat explanation for derailing the Sixty wagon - one that town would buy, so win-win. If somebody else gets lynched other than Sixty, that is the second mislynch. If not, he gives his explanation that he was baiting players off the Sixty wagon.

More later.

~ F-16

[Deadpool]

How were you playing it? Can you describe what about it doesn't make sense as scum?

~ F-16

[Deadpool]

Zzzzzzzzzzz why isn't N lynched yet?

[Deadpool]

Nacho is in this game?

[Deadpool]

Nacho is a niggle, but he always feels bad and scummy to him, I'm not strongly against his lynch, but seriously think we'll do better in the Soul/Jesse combo.

This is scummnumnumnumy.

(not to mention half the sentence makes no sense)

[Deadpool]

Actually, it's not scummyscummyscummy - but maybe you should explain *how* it's scummy if you want to say that.
Especially if you're also claiming it makes no sense...which, y'know, if you can't even figure out what I'm saying I'm not sure how it's also supposed to look scummy. Because last I checked motivation was the only actual real scumtell.

Well can you please help me out.

What does:

"Nacho is a niggle, but he always feels bad and scummy to him"

actually mean?

[Deadpool]

PS setting up lynches for today and tomorrow is the scummy part.

[Deadpool]

For fuck's sake it's not that hard

"seriously think we'll do better in the Soul/Jesse combo." kills any possibility for an N lynch and shows that you are disregarding the actual flips and simply wanting soul/jess for today/tomorrow. Which is def scummnumnumnumy.

PS That is what I thought it was, but just wanted to make sure.

Sooo, why does N always feel bad and scummy to you? And, y'know, how is that actually a reason to go OH LOL THAT MAKES HIM TOWN again? Occam's razor dictates that the simplest reasoning tends to be the right one. Or are you playing some shitty wifom reasoning in your head?

[Deadpool]

So why don't you want him lynched

[Deadpool]

Pages 17 - 25 (end of Day 2)

So, I am halfway through. Still online and reading. I'll probably finish soon.

Reading posts 443 to 448, I get JT's view that Oversoul was distancing, not bussing. I am not entirely convinced though. I am re-reading with that in mind.

Oversoul, in post 455, you say:

"

If you really want a read from me Farday it's that I think you are scum if Sixty is scum. You are twisting my words in a way that I have never seen from your town play and you are being an asshole about on top of it. Your words about us being scum belies that you somehow "know" for a fact that Sixty is scum. You are tryin to fucking tie us to a sinking ship hence all of your twisting of words.

"

What makes you believe that JT/Sixty are scum together?

I had suspicions of JT too but this post from Sixty 460 makes me think otherwise.

"This is terrible. Faraday occasionally slips like that, but it's hardly a stretch to assume scum connections pre-flip. You're saying that having scum-scum reads is scummy and shows scum knowledge? You're essentially accusing Faraday of lining up lynches, without showing how he's doing it in a scummy manner."

The fact that JT go so far into figuring the time in Portugal makes me think town/brilliant bus. JT, why go to such effort if Sixty was getting lynched regardless?

469: "

Actually the whole thing is stupid what the fuck am i doing

" (JT) <-- This is town.

Just read Thor's wagon on N.

N's 513 = scummy x100. If you don't understand it, why not re-read and attempt to understand where they are coming from? Also, the fact that you actually expect Tierce/Vi to out their buddies after you specifically mentioned what you were looking for. Looks to me like you are their buddy.

Based on 519, I lean town on Jesse.

Thor's 525: It is obvious the N wagon was planned by Thor so I'll buy his argument a little more.

Soul's 569 wall - I have a hard time believing that that came from scum especially the part were OS digs into the reasons for his anger and tries to explain them. But then again competency matters. Soul's townread on N is mysterious. I don't have even the slightest townread on N

Anyways, at this point, I am convinced Cerulean, and JT are town and are my two strongest townreads.

~ F-16

[Deadpool]

Page 25 (Start of Day 3) - Page 38 (End of Day 3)

I'll buy JT's point on Oversoul being capable of raging as scum. I'll do the meta-research after I finish reading. @JT, do you think Oversoul is capable of explaining all his emotions as scum the way he did? It is not the rage but the explanations for it that makes me lean town on him.

Thor, why do you think Jesse would find a Sixty counterwagon viable? You posted a reaction test, he took the bait and you went after him. But the Sixty lynch was really cut and dry so I don't know why Jesse wouldn't bus. Sixty's partners would want to be on that lynch and Sixty would want them to be on their lynch as well.

I do find Jesse's 681 scummy though. No substance, just an OMGUS vote on Thor. No explanation for why he voted Thor. Continues having a scumread on N.

Thor's comment about our slot like "

I'm adamant because his play looks to have no scum value at all.

" match up with his town-meta where he believes unusual stuff is town. In another game where I quickhammered a townie, Thor said that was obvtown. Still need to read Thor's scum games to double-check though.

I get Thor's read on N about how scum would be competing to be the loudest. Who on the Sixty wagon do you think was trying to be the loudest? Because once Empire and Tammy made their hugemetawallcases, nobody else was going to get "credit" for the lynch. It was a done deal. Also, JustinTimberlake were the loudest pushers of the Sixty wagon. By your logic, do you find them suspicious Thor?

I hate reading Jesse's posts - they are all quote-stripes. Quote less please.

N's 773, he provides no opinions. He isn't sure what to make of Soul/Thor argument. I get the feeling N is sitting on the fringes for the entire game, avoiding arguments, sitting back, doing nothing.

I agree with most of JT's 798 and want an answer from Jesse as to why he felt N was scum since Jesse should logically believe that N was town based on N going after Thor.

JT's 885 makes sense if Sixty was expecting to stick around. Also, Jesse it will be nice if you post your notes.

~ F-16

[Deadpool]

VOTE: Thor

JT, dead, and ceru are all pretty strong town reads. That leaves n, jesse, and thor. N + jesse doesn't work. Plus past reasons for thor and I'll repeat stuff later when I'm more awake.

~Mehdi

This is exactly what I am thinking after having read up to this point. But I find both N and Jesse individually scummier than Thor.

From most scummiest to least:

Jesse
N
Thor
Oversoul
JT
Cerulean

[Deadpool]

On page 40 now. Quoting so I can remember to read these later.

Compiling this post for my own reference but I do encourage anyone who cares to trudge through these games and help me out on the meta analysis here:

JesseSheffield:

TOWN: Open 269, Open 262
SCUM: Open 256, Open 272, Open 252
Note: These games are all very old, so take them with a grain of salt here.

absta101:

TOWN: Micro 45, Mini 1361
SCUM: Newbie 1290, Open 432

Ser Arthur Dayne:

TOWN: Micro 53, Micro 36
SCUM: Lovers Mafia, Micro 8

Thor665:

TOWN: Reverse Mafia Redux, Political Corruption Mafia, Micro 65
SCUM: Newbie 1290, Mini 1347

Mehdi2277:

TOWN: Micro 68, The Detectives
SCUM: Open 443, Micro 4
BONUS: Micro 5

Oversoul:

TOWN: Mafia Behind the Maiden, Dirty Dealing (hydra)
SCUM: Chrono Trigger, Purified Mafia, Paranoia Mafia

NOTE:

N's only completed games are all as town.

[Deadpool]

I don't understand the argument between Soul and Justin, so I'm going to ignore it. I don't have a scumread on either of you, so I think it might be two townies arguing while the mafia sit back and do nothing.

Absta's didn't-read-the-rules-properly towntell attempt on the last page looks way too over the top, so for the moment, he can be the third scum we've been looking for. (The other two being Piggy and Sixty, of course.) I was starting to think the third could be Thor, because he hadn't called me scummy yet (he always seems to - okay, in the two completed games we have together he did), but he just voted for me so that's all okay.

I'd hammer Sixty, but I want them to come in and make some more incriminating posts and hopefully out their buddies for real.

I am caught up with almost everything. I need to re-read Regfan walls of POE analysis is the last 10 pages, then I'll research meta on N, Jesse, and Thor before coming to a final conclusion. I think it is likely at least one scum is among those 3 players if not both. Will probably comment on the POE analysis/Regfan walls tonight or tomorrow.

~ F-16 (And the last two posts were mine too btw)

[Deadpool]

I don't know why it quoted N. That was supposed to be a fresh post.

~ F-16

[Deadpool]

$limer you should vote N.

See I'm being cute by putting your name as a dollar sign.

People like cute right?

You should trust me for leading you right in that vengeful.

Nvm it was on town it's the heart that counts.

Now trust me on this!

Do you want to get lynched?

Do you?

Then vote N dammit.

Forget about reading the thread. Forget the thread.

Just trust me!

It's a choice between you and N.

If you're town vote N!

If not then you'll basically be claiming scum to me.

IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT.

Oh don't listen to empire.

Trust your gut!

Trust me!

Vote N 2012.

[Deadpool]

Exactly reading is for losers and regfan and empire they're cool.

But trust me!

[Deadpool]

Of course not! But I didn't think you go excessive rereads :p

[Deadpool]

(@slimer I don't mean to be rude by why did you replace in if you have no intention of trying to read the thread because your answer to cer comes off as rather uncaring and LULZ IDGAF combing that with your thing about scum role seems to suggest you only replaced in in hopes of getting a scum role )

[Deadpool]

I didn't say it made her scummy.

[Deadpool]

Hey that was part of my fun fact series!

Fun fact: There is exactly 4 times "N" shows up in the puppy's ISO. 3 of those are when it appears in a quote by someone else (and she's not responding to that particular part).

The 4th is as useless, when she is mentions him when talking about someone else [Piggy]:

She starts with Voidedmafia and Thor, ignores N and Equinox, mentions absta and does nothing about it, and we are scummy in some undisclosed form. Why those four players in particular?

Fun fact 2.0: Guess who also ignores N?

Pedit: See you corrected yourself

[Deadpool]

I hate the fact scum have daytalk :/ (which they can be using very well to their advantage if they're smart). It kinda makes me paranoid of everything as maybe a trick or a planned strategy.

Arthur, why would you be particularly paranoid of scum having day talk in this game? At Westeros, scum always have day talk, you should be used to the concept.

Eh, not really? Daytalk in 32hr days vs daytalk in 2 weeks+ days is a huge difference.

[Deadpool]

Wait, you think Jesse's the scummiest? Earlier, you were yelling at me that you had a townread on them and that I was scum for thinking him scum. What changed?

Umm, the player? That was F-16 and I (Arthur) is the one that had a townread on Jess.

[Deadpool]

The "I never get scum roles" comment though comes across as really forced and ungenuine.

Yea.. that's what I thought in another game. And she turned out to be town.

[Deadpool]

@Deadpool - so that list was just the AD side of the hydra and had no bearing on what the hydra's thoughts are as a conjoined mind?

AD?

Also, I guess? I mean hydras I'm in usually don't really have collective thoughts More like "everyone do what you want as long as it's not really dumb shit" and some discussion here and there to share reasons for reads. And I guess a consensus on where the vote should go, but that doesn't always work out*. But we both somewhat agree here that N is the best choice since we only need to kill off one scum.

*See "Ser Panda" with me/RedPanda in the Judge Jury Exe.

[Deadpool]

So you're going to advance someone as most scummy player int he game.
And your buddy is going to call that same player so townish it's scummy to suspect them.

Umm, it's the other way around.

I (Arthur) thought Jess was town.
F-16, otoh, thinks he is scum.

And you think this is kosher?

Sure.

[Deadpool]

Are you delibratly misrepping what I'm saying?

I, Ser Arthur Dayne, , thought Jess is town.

F-16_Fighting_Falcon, , thinks Jess is scum.

How hard can this be?

[Deadpool]

How'd you guys agree on N as scum?

He thinks he might be partnered with Jess IIRC, or maybe you also.

I think he might be partnered with you, and might even entertain Regfan's idea of maybe Soul/N.

Do you see the common denominator?

[Deadpool]

If you, Ser Arthur Dayne, [playing a guitar solo in a storm], are town, you would see this contradiction. In this hypothetical where you are town, you know that F-16_Fighting_Falcon, [an aeroplane], who has the same alignment as you also thinks Jesse is scummy, and so you would know that it is possible for someone with a town role to have suspicions of Jesse.

Were did I say town people can't have suspicion of Jess?

Please show me that. It's like a game of find that egg thing they do on Easter.

...Well, expect this time, there is no eggs but have fun all the same!

[Deadpool]

Why is N scum besides being a common denominator then?

Because we both think he's scum

Did you discuss why he was scum and deserved to be in your pairings?

Yes. I said I think N and Thor are scum.

F-16 said he thinks Jess and N are scummy.

We decided to vote...

....Wait for it....

N!

(we are also planning on sharing some more thoughts this week and compiling a

proper

hydra post, so wait attentively for that!)

[Deadpool]

(PS N you're not going to skip over the shit I said above like you didn't see it or come in the thread 2 days later and pretend you didn't see it. I want to seriously see where I said that. Kthx.)

[Deadpool]

And your buddy is going to call that same player so townish it's scummy to suspect them.

If you, Ser Arthur Dayne, [playing a guitar solo in a storm], are town, you would see this contradiction. In this hypothetical where you are town, you know that F-16_Fighting_Falcon, [an aeroplane], who has the same alignment as you also thinks Jesse is scummy, and so you would know that it is possible for someone with a town role to have suspicions of Jesse.

So, you guys talk to each other, or...?

Thor find where I said Jess is "so townish it's scummy to suspect them". Kthx.

[Deadpool]

So, you guys talk to each other, or...?

Thor find where I said Jess is "so townish it's scummy to suspect them". Kthx.

See, this is funny, because I'm clearly sheeping N on this point and applying pressure to you, but you're so confuzalated you want to challenge me for it.
I honestly had no idea what post N meant, but since you hadn't called him a liar right away I figured it was true.
So now I have this challenge, oh woe unto me, I may need to Ctrl+F an iso...

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p4492394

There.
Done.

Wut?

So me saying I think some one is trying to push a mislynch because they're pushing a lynch in a scummy manner becomes I think Jess is "so townish it's scummy to suspect them."

Is this real life?

Thor already quoted one post of you calling me scum for calling Jesse scum, but here's another:

It's hardly a wagon if there's only 1 vote. Also, Deadpool's trying to distract onto the Thor wagon. He doesn't care which of Thor or I are voted for, as long as it's not you.

Umm, no

I think I made it pretty obv that I want you lynched?

(Also what is so wrong about fucking trying to sway a lynch the way you think scum lies again?)

PS: Very good. As long as Jess isn't voted I'm happy. You wanna know why?

Here's the shocker:

Spoiler:

BECAUSE I THINK HE'S FUCKING TOWN

What's wrong with saying I'd be happy if my townread doesn't get lynched?

And how does that equate to me thinking that it is "[not] possible for someone with a town role to have suspicions of Jesse"?

[Deadpool]

SLIMER DO SOMETHING YOU USELESS SACK OF SLIME

You just spoiled my picture I'm making -_-

[Deadpool]

We should quick lynch Slimer, who is with me!?!
She is obviously active lurking.

[Deadpool]

Why are we still in day4.

[Deadpool]

Yea I skimmed/read at some parts his day 1 play. It didn't seem that bad?

[Deadpool]

Also some of the last Jess posts really read genuine.

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PLUS I can argue that Slimer replacing out is actually a town-tell for the slot.

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Since I can't see Slimer replacing out from a scum role, because she's been dying to get scum.

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JT, Deadpool posted another image. He must be town!

Finally, you see it.

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Actually be honest N when did you get a scumread on me?

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Hammer time.

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Since I can't see Slimer replacing out from a scum role, because she's been dying to get scum.

Pressure may have overwhelmed him. I mean he wanted to be scum and maybe he hated it once he got it.

I can definitely see it.

I actually can't. I would expect him to at least really somewhat try. Replaced out too quickly, didn't really show signs of trying to put effort in.

I mean idk I still can't see it. If I wanted to be scum badly I wouldn't really have replaced out even if I was being attacked like that.

[Deadpool]

Boooo Reg :sadness:

[Deadpool]

It's not even LyLo c'moooon

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he seems a weak and bad player and i could see him having weird thoughts on ebing definitely lynched and not wanting to be scum. + he's been here a few days, it's not really too soon. but ANYWAY.

Too soon for what?

If you mean getting scum, he was complaining in another game that he played like 5 other games offsite and still wasn't scum, so he was wanting scum badly.

[Deadpool]

Arthur you are literally driving me insane this game.

Sorry Tammy! *hug*

[Deadpool]

Why are we still in day4.

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Dead who'd you be willing to vote for besides N? Thor works too.

Hmm, if I had to rank everyone (using RC's method), it would look something like:

[Town]

-Tampire--Soul-------JT--Jess---

[∙]

----------Thor---N--

[Scum]

[Deadpool]

So, I feel pretty dumb. I didn't realize until N's 1327 that arhturs avatar was someone holding a guitar in a storm. I thought it was a gun and was an avatar he had chosen for his world war ii game. I'm special :duncecap:

It's Naota from FLCL :p

(SkyeDoc had a similar av (of the same character))

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Anything else?

I want N to be lynched.

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(PS N you're not going to skip over the shit I said above like you didn't see it or come in the thread 2 days later and pretend you didn't see it. I want to seriously see where I said that. Kthx.)

When have I done this? Your turn to back up your claims.

It's pretty hypocritical that you accuse me of pretending I don't see something, then ignoring me when I ask you for proof of this.

Arthur, either answer the fucking question or admit you're making shit up.

When did I accuse you of pretending not to have seen something?

Please point that out kthx.

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Arthur, is F-16 ever going to post in this thread again? And why hasn't he done so? I know he's been around.

Umm, probably? He hasn't checked in in a while in the QT, but will prob show up sooner or later.

(Though this game really should end already by an N lynch)

[Deadpool]

Ceru quick opinion on N/thor? Can you please vote either soon? Like, very soon. Like, let's goooo already.

FIFY

[Deadpool]

Just me?

Yes.

I think I've used a similar phrase like that countless times *shrug* It doesn't mean I'm accusing them of overlooking things, it means I in particular do not want them to overlook what I said previously.

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I think it's all made up gak and scum smokescreen (just the in-game stuff, the family/school/dog stuff sounds rough). It *might* be town and just terrible because he's so distracted...but...meh. I'm (shock) still pretty content with the idea of a Jesse or Soul lynch.

Do you like call anyone with in an arm's reach scum except for N who you plainly ignore?

So you think Jesse is scum.

Then Soul.

Then I become a stronger scum read than Soul.

Then that mysteriously dropped somehow.

Like, seriously?

PS What did happen to the suspicion of me you showed in 1303?

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Sooo, why does N always feel bad and scummy to you?

My presumption is he's not good at playing town.

Please show proof of why you think this.

[Deadpool]

Sooo, why does N always feel bad and scummy to you?

My presumption is he's not good at playing town.

Please show proof of why you think this.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

You linked his ISO of this game?

Was that a mistake, because if not, umm.. how do you know he's town here?

[Deadpool]

The core question was why does he always feel scummy to me.

Umm, well, that proves nothing expect that he's scummy in this game.

Which is what I've been saying.

Y'know, how we should be lynching scummy people?

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Why are we still in day4.

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CES who's scum?

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Okay, I and Arthur decided to discuss our reads and come up with an updated list. It'll probably be soon. This hydra thing is difficult since I have to log on to different browsers for this and for my main account.

Anyways, just wanted to throw this out there since it was a lightbulb moment. Thor and Jesse are town.

Sixty spent a lot of time lecturing Tammy about her behavior towards Thor and Jesse. Seeing as they are scum, I am thinking at least part of this was contrived - and intended to discredit Tammy's reads as well as subtly buddy up to Thor/Jesse. I have a lot of trouble understanding why they would go so far as to make long walls chastising Tammy for attacking their buddies. If Thor/Jesse are town however, it makes sense to defend them in a really roundabout manner to potentially get Thor and Jesse on their side.

Under that assumption, I still think N is scum. It could be an N/OS team (likely) or an N/JT team (unlikely since Arthur vouches for Regfan disliking playing as scum although there is an outside chance they are scum and Faraday is the driving force behind their posts). I guess OS/JT team is possible but I am leaning much more on N-scum.

~ F-16

[Deadpool]

At the very least, I'd rule out Thor/Jesse/Sixty team. That one makes zero sense.

~ F-16

[Deadpool]

@ JT, good point about Soul's vote on N. That makes me even more undecided.

Regarding discrediting reads, they would want to do it when Tammy is arguing with townies because it is a subtle way to get that townie on their side without blatantly buddying. In essence, chainsaw defending a townie. Sixty are smart enough to not chainsaw defend their buddies so I wouldn't put it past them to do it with townies to leave false and confusing trails.

I don't think Tammy's posts were worthy of the reaction that we got from Sixty. The reaction was disproportionately harsh considering the initial behavior in question which makes me believe that it was at least partly, if not wholly contrived.

F-16 is my main account now. I finished all games with my old account and haven't signed up for any more.

Anyways, Soul's vote on N does make me even more confused. Perhaps it is just one of Jesse/Thor who Sixty was attempting to buddy to and the other is town.

~ F-16

[Deadpool]

CES vote N?

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How long does it usually take CES to post something actually relevant?

He always calls me scummy; I don't know why

Because you play scummy.

Is it because I refuse to call myself obvtown?

Anyways, just wanted to throw this out there since it was a lightbulb moment. Thor and Jesse are town.

Well, that's highly convenient. What changed since your last post, when he was most likely scum? (I'll answer for you if you like: he got replaced twice, and although neither replacement gave any content, deadline is approaching and you don't want to lynch your buddy.)

I already explained that. I was going about my daily life, when it struck me that Sixty reprimanding Tammy could also be interpreted as taking the side of Thor/Jesse. It fits well if they are town but not if they are scum since there wouldn't be a need for Sixty to take their side. My current opinion though is that one of them is scum with you and the other town.

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I will say though - going back to start of Day 3, N did some soft defense work on Piggy.
Decent semi-town tell on him.

Why do you always do this weird crap of soft attacking N and then just muddling the waters and saying oh but he's slightly town so

[Deadpool]

Deadlines within 24 hours

It is? Thank you!

Moar N votes please.

[Deadpool]

Mehdi, get back on N.

[Deadpool]

Hmm I might be willing to compromise of Thor.

[Deadpool]

Actually wait.

Nvm about that.

[Deadpool]

I really can't see Thor partnered with Soul/Cer.

JT is town.

And Jesse is very unlikely partnered with Thor.

Which pretty much leaves N.

[Deadpool]

Plus N can be partnered with someone else I guess?

[Deadpool]

Tammy or well anyone else, if there's anything you think I'm missing or need to re-look at you should post it in the next hourish or two.

Start of Day 3.
N clears Piggy.
Discuss.

You've already given up haven't you?

[Deadpool]

And why is ces/Thor impossible. CES is calling Thor scum (basically) but is refusing to answer questions and is using pretty hard away from a Thor lynch. And thors not really trying to get CES lynched either.

I'm pretty sure there was a good argument about how Jesse and Thor can't be partnered because they were pushing each other and had their votes on each other on the piggy lynch day, which does make a lot of sense seeing as it'd be rather stupid to push each other knowing that they only one of them had to die for scum to lose and there was no way for them to determine that that Piggy lynch was going to arise from which was seemingly thin air.

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Wait, game isn't over?

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Can people put it in planner terms for us stupid people.

[Deadpool]

Can people put it in planner terms for us stupid people.

thor appears to be claiming NOT TOWN

Thank you.

God.

[Deadpool]

Also I apparently can't spell planner.

I still don't know how it's spelled.

I just know that's wrong.

[Deadpool]

AHAHAHAA

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


HAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAA

I'm sorry I'm dying over here.

[Deadpool]

See thor now that wasn't that hard was it?

Told you N is scum

[Deadpool]

Actually Mehdi played a really well game.

[Deadpool]

WE FUCKING DID IT GUYS

Well game was rather town-sided so meh.

[Deadpool]

(imo)

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because we lynched scum early and ruled out partnerships. also cerulean + JT were pretty easy reads too

Eh still in every game scum have backfiring effect to them bussing but here the risk is hugely greater.

(Which is why I rather don't like White Flag).