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Dislike KX’s opening post. KX’s this line "not that it means anything, being the norm and all" sounds like he’s trying to avoid really getting in any confrontation. VOTE: KX
I like the tone of Nic’s second post. Jacob and cheery I like the tone of their posts in general and all three are weak town reads at the moment. Arc seems like her usual town self at the moment. Serra’s question feels really weak with the way asked and is a slight scum lean right now.
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Adding to the vote reason:
In post 24, KX wrote:I can confirm what HD says, I am scum in 100% of my games. Or at least apparently I seem that way. So, first game here, looks to be fun!
OMGUS and such, plus I seriously distrust him (not that it means anything, being the norm and all)Vote: HD
The post as a whole seems forced with the contrasting tone between the first lines and the words in the parentheses.-
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In post 34, Docteur Gudsight wrote:Serra’s question feels really weak with the way asked and is aslight scum leanright now.
Worded that way for a reason. I do think it's at least a reason to keep watch on him now.
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Whether you consider it to be or not does it seem scummy beyond that? AtE isn't really a scum tell and amount of emotion used in posts is generally player dependent.
And yes players flipped in on going games means the game is still on going and shouldn't be discussed at all. Pointing things out about their play in that game can affect the game.-
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In post 68, serrapaladin wrote:Docteur: Nice job setting up your vote on me over three posts.
That's a nice way to make it sound eviler then it is. I pointed out a weak scum read on you and when the other scum read changed I voted you.
I agree with the dog. Start playing the game when he is responding to AA who asked about it and that he's naturally going to move to something else (mostly because it's hard to talk about yourself forever). That and lack of HD calling it a lie I'll go with it's believable for his meta and comes off really genuine to me to see him post all that just for the sake of wanting clarity.
HD what did you think of serra's answer beyond lack of double standard? Would you call it actually useful things she linked to? (along with the done more then list of as of then lurkers which not lurking is somehow a town tell)
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In post 124, Human Destroyer wrote:In post 123, Docteur Gudsight wrote:HD what did you think of serra's answer beyond lack of double standard? Would you call it actually useful things she linked to?
1) The double standard part was really the important thing about the answer; I didn't really see anything particularly town or scum other than that tidbit.
Can you say what kind of answer from serra would have given you a scumread on him?
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Difference being? He isn't going to say it that exact way since that makes it sound a lot less town like then he's contributing some helpful things here and there.
Anyways two current scum reads are on ven (more so for ignoring other wagons in the past and now on focusing on himself when commenting without looking much elsewhere then the supposed slip which really neither alignment has any benefit and hd I disagree is a town tell, but just a dumb tell) and serra (reasoning on jacob seems weak and forced).
CD how much does ven's slip matter to you? HD how much does it matter to you as well (if it's dumb as scum then how does it become not dumb as town and just null?)?
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In post 131, KX wrote:In response to Nic, I'll admit the multi-paragraph post wasn't the most helpful, and could have been shortened, but it was to prove a point. Other the the TL;DR nature, how is the information not helpful? It's proving something to talk about, it gives people insight into my play style since there's no meta, and if gives something for people to go off of. Also, I tend to be a reckless person. I don't exactly crave attention, but see no problem with sticking out, and won't change my attitude to avoid doing so.
Did this paragraph disappear? (same with stuff directed to AA) Not really talking to himself.
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In post 164, JacobSavage wrote:KX is town, as inNEVERshould be lynched under any circumstances. Scum do not stay up til 3am making a big post listing all of his reads. Scum try and avoid giving them so the fact 1. he gave them voluntarily and 2. he did them so late at night when sleep is far more important. Either he's town or he's scum and didn't read his Role PM.
Short rant: people have never mentioned it to me as scum when I post at 4am to deal in wall wars or cases. True anyway.
Moving on, predictable serra would call it wifom (I currently feel conf biasing myself, but I still don't like it). His reads are essentially all town reads with a complete hole in scum reads.
My other half has more of a josh scum read that he can explain later for this vote: VOTE: Josh. Mine is I agree with els and serra while scummy seems less viable right now.
Nic can you elaborate on your last post a bit more?
Ven how is it scummy from klick when he's known to self vote as both alignments a lot. Or how is it worth a vote at this time compared to other wagons going on.-
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In post 185, Docteur Gudsight wrote:My other half has more of a josh scum read that he can explain later for this vote: VOTE: Josh. Mine is I agree with els and serra while scummy seems less viable right now.
Let's list Jacob posts:
#6: Random Vote
#69: Filler post "nothing to say, let's not discuss anything"
#118: Requests for KX to contribute, and stop discussing about himself. Claims KX behaviour is scummy.
#120: "Oops i forgot to vote"
#122: "Cherry Dog disagree about my scumread on KX, and is very wrong"
#159: Requests for KX to contribute, and stop discussing about himself. Claims KX behaviour is scummy. Says he isn't avoiding what's happening in the thread
#161: Says KX speaking about himself is not contributing.
There's a few things I find very wrong about this:
1) He is accusing KX of not contributing, despite having himself not contributed anything.
2) I'm disliking his way of asking KX to scumhunt, but calling him scum. If he was thinking that KX was scum, what's the point of writing in all caps, multiple times, "STOP BEING SCUM AND BE A GOOD TOWNIE THAT CONTRIBUTES".
In post 191, Venrob wrote:Quite early for L-1, but... He is giving me no read so VOTE: Josh. Can I not be lynched for this?
What the fuck is that? A L-1 vote on a null read?Unvote.Consider we still have a ghost vote on Josh, but I would beextremely disappointedif someone randomly hammers with a reason as good as Venrob's one. So, better safe than sorry.
Human Destroyer wrote:This is another scummy bandwagon vote IMO, but Josh Lyman is scummier.
Are you feeling confident about the Josh wagon building so fast, with bad/scummy reasoning?(note: if you feel like you are asking many questions to you, let's say it's because we are quite schizophrenic about our read on you)
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In post 205, Cheery Dog wrote:@Els, are you meaning to talk to Jacob or are you meaning your scumread Josh?
My question was for Jacob not Josh. I'm currently watching how the situation evolves for Josh, and <redacted until Jacob answers>.
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In post 198, Human Destroyer wrote:...no, he's scummy. Where did I say he was null?
He's avoided current events in game and completely denied doing so. That's pretty damn scummy if you ask me.
How come jacob defending josh is scummy, but serrra defending josh twice (second time in 208 being the worse one) isn't called scummy? (part what do you think of serra currently)
In post 205, Cheery Dog wrote:But my point is the reason you voted that wagon was the same as what most people (everyone but venrob) used, so if you're worrying about your own reasons, shouldn't you also worry about other people who are using the same thing
Cheery were our reasons for voting josh the same as hd? Were nic's reasons the same?
KX why do you think we should talk more?
Serra's blindness to the wagon reasons when nic's and ours are clear adds to the serra covering for josh (and nic did use quotes while els referred to post numbers which work as well quotes). HD's were also clear if short at the time. She's also softly attacking KX, spencer, and venrob in 208 (town points to all 3 if he flips scum which I think will occur). After josh dies serra needs to follow.
210: Avoiding me and nic's clear reasons pushing you as well as responding to each vote and are trying to get away as quietly and easily as possible. Instead of directly confronting all the suspicion on you you're just asking HD the more obvious attacking leader when two others gave you clear places to start in a defense (respond to els laundry list of your scummy posts and nic's several quotes and reasons on your scumminess).
KX's 212 is also a town tell. Serra 211 not understanding it still seems more like trying to block people from having a strong town read and is still scummy.
Klick he also has no use to push his strongest scum read to scum hunt. A null lazy read sure, but he was voting kx as well. And yes I believe that logic isn't flawed. Either he's faking the strength of the scum read or he wants to listen to a person he thinks is scum reads.
Jacob what does serra's bad defending of josh mean for the town read on josh? She's also soft attacked venrob already.
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Town
Human Destroyer
KX
ArcAngel9
Cheery Dog
NicCage
JacobSavage
Venrob
goodmorning
Spencer22
Klick
Josh Lyman
serrapaladin
Scum
If a reason is needed on something ask. I'd say venrob and up is town reads of differing strength, spencer and goodmorning are null reads, and the last 3 are scum reads (klick being a weak one right now though and is something I'll decide on more later).
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In post 240, serrapaladin wrote:
Cool, that question was only like 30 posts ago. How do you feel about reasons?
Reasons would be super nice. What would be even better is a reference to posts that you found scummy.
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Also, after internal debate,Vote: Josh. L-1.
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If you'd like I can answer. I know what reads we aren't agreed upon (while we don't agree on everything we do discuss things). Jacob isn't a town read for els, you're close to null, and hd is a null/weak scum read.
I gave other reasons for your scumminess. And it's held more consistently since when I voted early on. Lastly the read could be 90 percent dependent and it'd be fine. You can use it as a town tell if you'd like if josh flips town. I don't think that's going to happen.
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201, 199, and 215 are the long version of that cheery if it helps.
And serra the not having town reads is how you're treating the reason some are using to trust KX more. I'm saying blind for stuff like:
"So does someone want to post some quotes from Josh that are actually scummy?"
and 201 had several quotes, while 199 had a list of post numbers (which work like quotes if you aren't lazy)
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Benefits of explictness:
Clarity
General atmosphere usually contains more discussion if you're clear on everything instead of posting just some parts
Con:
Scum can night kill better
The one con is fine with me in exchange for making people talk more. I'd rather scum know who the best kill is then have to be quieter which just usually has less trust in the town and the less divided people are and more trusting they are the more work usually is done. Town blocks have worked pretty awesomely in the past (it sucks to the townies that don't look town enough to be a part of the block but for people in it just adds unity).
And it can concern you I have a scum read on you. Re writing what I say is nice rhetoric, but I understand what I'm thinking. I can be very confident in my scum reads when I form strong ones (which has the sucky disadvantage that at times I don't have a single strong enough scum read and am not sure who to really vote).
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In post 262, Human Destroyer wrote:Josh/Jacob/serra is my D1 scum team guess. Questions?
Yes, two questions:
1) Can you explain me how this correponds to "Talking to a "scumread" as if they're town is a blatant scumslip.":
serra wrote:Regardless of KX's alignment, we want him to post stuff that isn't just about himself. If he's town, we get some genuinely useful input. If he's scum, he's much more likely to slip up if forced to make concrete judgments and connections.
2) If you had to give a % chance of Josh being scum, and of your whole team Josh/Jacob/serra being correct, what would it be?
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In post 294, ArcAngel9 wrote:I have finished my catch up... I haven't changed my read on Josh, He still looks scummy to me and over the 5 page he hasn't done anything to defend himself and according to the Mod he is currently under prod. so I am not going waste my vote someone who is obviously going to be replaced. sounvote joshfor now!! If Josh is back. I ll change my vote back to him.
Question: Is the deadline was tomorrow, who would you be voting, and why?
This is a trick question.
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Also i'm disappointed that HD makes a huge post about Jacob, and omits the most important reason about why Jacob is very likely scum. But I have decided to be irrationnal about my HD read, so w/e.
The main reason that Jacob is very likely scum is that in all his posts, until explicitly asked, he only gave town reads (whether joke or reasoning). When asked, he provided scum reads, which means that before he was actually *avoiding* posting his scum reads while posting about his town reads.
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Bah. I guess the general policy is to not lynch a replacement (especially d1), even if the slot was previously scummy. So,Unvote. Moreover, #349 and #350 is good posting. I endorse this product.
I won't vote HD. 1) This hydra is still debating internally his case. 2) I believe that given his poststyle and contributions, he makes a bad d1 lynch, and would be better lynched/trusted later pending on connections and flips.
I disagree with almost all of #358.
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In post 282, serrapaladin wrote:Have you read his posts?
In post 118, Josh Lyman wrote:It's a way to focus not on the game and yet appear active.
He gave reasons why you're scummy and voted you. Just because you disagree with his reasoning doesn't mean he's not contributing.
Do you really need to argue definition of contribution? Or how about his focus was overly specific at kx when he's complaining about kx just discussing himself and said it was fine if done partly. Not commenting on most of the game is low contribution.
272's scum motivation is? He wasn't using the lurking as an excuse to add suspicion and it sounded more like a weak defense so unless AA is considered scum not sure what scum motivation it contains that nic and serra mentioned.
@294/AA, AA scum replace out just as well. If you think he's scum continue voting him. Josh being voted isn't just pressure it's because of a genuine desire to have him lynched. And AA can you give short reasons explaining your reads? (or long if you want to wall)
Serra you have more then the majority of the game agreeing with the suspicion on josh so maybe it's just the reasons you claim aren't enough are for others and believe do take them as scum tells.
@HD serra null is because of? Are you sure your scum thing is right in calling jacob's kx town read post scum motivated? I can see the reason not being the strongest to focus the read upon, but the scum motivation is what in saying it (assuming kx is town which I think he is)? A lot of the case really is fluffy and things like what does this have to do anything deals with responding to me (responses can be on a tangential point). His quickness to call jacob town there is mainly based on wagon dynamics which thought on the way vote is going is one of the complex things to look at and not something I'd consider scummy.
Josh would linking to fast wagons on scum be enough to kill that reason? Wagons have a tendency to be fast even with scum pushes. You commented on the wagon mechanics at first, but what about now. He's basically sat at L-1 for a while without hammer intent or anything. That not ring any alarms?
@Jennifer, purpose of 352 is? Maybe since a. not everyone posted and b. reads change. Reads jumping is usually more apparent in town players then scum. Scum read tend to want their reads to be consistent and flow more which is part of what makes stiff reads and part of why some consider tunneling a scum tell in the first place. The opinion is swap is completely fine alignment wise.
Internal argument will be done later vote wise, but personally I don't want the josh wagon to die and the fact it's dissipating so much to me is a big red sign.
AA jennifer came. So what happened to the read on her and doesn't the reason you unvoted her die if the slot's active again?
Josh was online to post so not responding comes to him and he did respond just without addressing much.
Ven can you explain your vote change and reads some?
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And panzer isn't the argument on cases just that it's a different way to push things? HD thought jacob was scum. He pushed by a case which generally has more weight attached. How is pushing his scum read like that scummy? The back and forth discussion you're saying is a problem never occurred (and I'd argue back and forths are the best way to really see people pressured and discuss things instead of just having them calmly comment).
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Lastly, emphasize the replacements don't kill the read on someone and wagon dissipating that easily on someone isn't a good thing and vague not good is the best way I can describe it beyond the fact ok posting is becoming a town tell somehow when jeniffer's attack on jacob still aren't really that much thought and just concrete based so these great replacement feelings I completely lack along with the focus on the gm vote which means both the L-1 vote and hammer intent on her slot are the things she looks at most and goes into with scum feelings (not sure if she calls jacob scum, but she implies that read).
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And really of all things to attack you choose that for the way to weaken me? It's responding to one of the weakest things possible and seems like if you deal with it the rest is dealt with. Kind of like the original if you disagree with a reason discounting it with any real quotes for a response instead of responding to each quote if you really want to counter and understand the root of the suspicion.
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None. It's called he gave it already. And internal consistency as scum as a fairly noticeable thought process based both on my experience of it and the fact generally townies jump a lot more. It's why I said the fos on it looks like calling a scummy looking action scummy when it doesn't have much likelyhood of coming from scum more at all. Erratic voting is a fairly vig town tell in practice.
The votes that stand out are the ones near your death.
And my current opinion of gm was forgotten there, but it's the way the wagon formed on the tail of yours on top of the fact I like the reasons he gave for his read list (yeah I nagged on me being null but it's understandable similar to other reasons he gave) makes me heavily dislike the wagon.-
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Honestly the thing that bit me most with him was his choice to unvote just for good for discussion which is a really weak reason to exit a scum read. Anyone with decent playing ability can wall so it sounding like a town tell from a replace in who'd likely have time to comment since they'd have to catch up is just weak. His treatment of scum reads though in the sense of them leaving him seems like genuine weakness in reads and doesn't feel contrived at all along with the fact I personally like his L-1 vote on you in keeping you at L-1. I understand the idea of extending the day he's pushing and can see why it sounds like something he genuinely believes even if I think once you have a strong scum read the day doesn't need to be pushed to last more.
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In post 401, serrapaladin wrote:Why the strong response to 394 Mehdi?
I find it highly discrediting in tone and motivation. You chose the weakest thing to put in a bad light instead of respond to say the rest.
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And goodmorning replied to 402's question already once.
Erratic opinion is also still not really a scum tell unless you want to explain it some more. Especially when the timing of jacob's was an atmosphere of josh dislike. Ven's is more opportunistic but the idea of jumping around being more of a town tell applies there as well especially when done so blatantly.
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All. 1 sentence each is enough.
And I thought it was directed to me but I gave my feelings on gm at the top of this page and bottom of last page. I don't think he's scum. Go iso him and he does have content.
And how is jennifer particularly better? (to both angel and anyone who's gone off her so easily which seems to forget the fact josh's alignment carries over and his scum tells still apply on the slot) Is it possible to be really worse? So far she's walled some with a weak reason to try to attack jacob and she didn't even vote him with it then when implying he was heavily scummy (like testing the waters first) and over focus on the last two votes of her wagon.
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In post 415, Human Destroyer wrote:1) Jacob is scummier.
2) Her main focus of attack is goodmorning, why wouldn't she have two scum reads?
P-Edit: @Docteur
1. Erratic votes and read swaps aren't particularly scummy. I know I swapped quite a bit as prince.
2. Two scum reads that both happen to be the last two votes for her. Not a strange choice in scum hunting? And the fact the way she referred to jacob initially sounded like a big scum read in asking why aren't people calling this obvscum (well that's how it comes out sounding) but not voting him then especially considering it came before the gm scum read really solidified so to me it appears like throwing suspicion on jacob without following onto it.
Abbreviations are a known way to trip people up (remember the two bb's confusion thing). Not immediately associating gm to goodmorning isn't strange and sounds like a confirmation bias thing on jacob.
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The more obvious thing is lack of care in appearances in flowing it. It'd take minimal effort to add flow in there and again scum are generally more internally consistent. I believe I swapped reads on you without a reason in between in that other game (backed up after that to explain it to people, but swapping is doable). Anyways jacob's reason was more along the lines I still think he's town, but a good lynch to do.
Is that a wrong link? I don't want to be held accounted for voting jacob sounds exactly like what I'm pushing on her. She goes to the extent to ask why hasn't anyone else commented on this already when it pretty recently happened, but doesn't find it enough to vote him. Likely because the read is contrived and just throwing suspicion and seeing how people accept it was the intent.
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Making things flow is easy. Caring to do it isn't town really and it's normally done as a by product of read explanation, but not always when the player doesn't care. It's just not a common scum motivation. Too consistent is much worse.
In post 352, Jennifer wrote:@All Why has no one called them out on this behavior?
Really that's the key post in it. The weight there sounds heavier then the gm scum read without lack of vote from her if it's so major that it needs to be called out before. Not sure if we're going to make progress so the other thing I point you to is your own josh case (or the other two, but mainly your own).
P-edit: That's what I was saying. He sounds like he's ok hammering a town read because he is by the looks of it and he gave why. Info reasons.
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In post 450, Jennifer wrote:In post 436, Docteur Gudsight wrote:Two scum reads that both happen to be the last two votes for her.
The first initial of my name is also the first initial of my predecessor's name.
Your argument is weird. You seem to be arguing:
* Town would ignore scummy behaviors if done by the last people to vote them
* Town wouldn't point out scummy behavior of more than one person at a time
* Town wouldn't try to rally people to get them to wake up and see/consider scummy behaviors
What am I missing?
* Scum vote location and read strength are more likely to be inconsistent. The way you worded the jacob question heavily implies a stronger scum read on jacob then gm and my thoughts are you were just trying to throw suspicion on jacob.
*Jacob's behavior isn't scummy. Logical consistency on primary points is one of the easiest things to fake. It's hard to fake for more minor things. Unless jacob is a bastard jester (which he isn't since set up) the logical inconsistency is a product of lack of care in faking something which is a big town tell.
And now that els has given me permission
VOTE: Jennifer.
If anyone else needs help understanding the vote just ask.
GM I'd say I'm fairly happy with 1 day hammers and have seen them occur just fine. Once you have a scum read the job is to get them lynched not stall the day forever. A small gain in info isn't worth unnecessary artificial day pro longing (parabola theory in MD says too long days has a bad effect as well for towns). And it's not relevant now really. Enough time has passed and no one can be put at L-1 I think right now by 1 vote.
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In post 454, PJ. wrote:In post 392, Docteur Gudsight wrote:And panzer isn't the argument on cases just that it's a different way to push things? HD thought jacob was scum. He pushed by a case which generally has more weight attached. How is pushing his scum read like that scummy? The back and forth discussion you're saying is a problem never occurred (and I'd argue back and forths are the best way to really see people pressured and discuss things instead of just having them calmly comment).
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It's an anti-town way to push things at best. Of course it didn't happen, the guy who he made the case against was inactive.
In post 413, Docteur Gudsight wrote:All. 1 sentence each is enough.
And I thought it was directed to me but I gave my feelings on gm at the top of this page and bottom of last page. I don't think he's scum. Go iso him and he does have content.
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Having content =/= not scummy. All of the content is scummy.
I never said it was, but he was being pushed on not having any content so I was that attack reason was wrong.
And what's the difference between a case and a long fos? The reason it gets long is because it is a longer clearer argument for something. Reading walls won't kill people even if it had caused them.
In post 453, Cheery Dog wrote:But you still like the wagon on Jennifer? When half of the people are on both.
It's wagon motion not so much people for it. Seeing the wagon of a scum read dissipate onto a town lean doesn't really help the argument for gm to me.
That and you've never disliked a wagon without focusing on the specific people?
And the scum team has me and jennifer on it together? Although I'll say the venrob/jen connection is a nice thing to catch (serra + jen being the more connected pair still though).
@Jennifer (in order of things you said):
Is that really all you get from the defense? Or let's put it this way, do scum intentionally act scummy? Since that's basically what you're pushing. Forgetting your read on the biggest wagon of the day is very very unlikely and either he did it to be suspected partly or he didn't care about the suspicion and the lack of care is what makes him likely town for it.
I'm calling you out on the read since I think it doesn't really so much thought in actual scum motivation of it.
You quoted the question I'm thinking of.
"would youeveragree to lynch a town read"
That's the particular word if you want to get specific on it. The way that was said just implies you find it really unlikely to come from town and unless your gm read is stronger then it looks I'd expect a vote on jacob.
panzer AA's a lurker?
bork 201, 215, and 199 are the reasons for my current vote (with an added debate of jennifer's read on jacob implies a bigger scum read without a vote there) even if two parts of those posts aren't being followed by their creators.
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I can't have one read I'd stay on for awhile? At this point I feel most solid on all the josh stuff and with some disagreeable things to me from you I'll honestly not change my mind easily on this. I do re-read stuff (that's how more stuff for calling people scum occurs), but if it doesn't cause my opinion to change much I'll likely stick with the read. And honestly my goal is you lynched which involves calling you out on what you do scummy. Every scum has some things they do are town that if the goal was to PbP on you honestly I'm sure I'd have some nice comments. But overall I think you're likely scum so that's what I'll focus on expressing.
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Can you find me scum who feel the same way? You're pretty asking me there to convince my suspect into thinking their scum which isn't possible with a scum claim that's ridiculously unlikely to happen. All accusations have the defendant not feel the same way. Whenever you argue town reads you make it always sound like that since theirs an explanation it isn't scummy. She can a give a perfect explanation and I can still think she's lying and it was scum motivated if it seems that way to me.
The point stayed the same from the start and the point is the important thing. The detail backing it whether it's post 320 or 322 or whatever the number doesn't really matter much imo.
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In post 513, JacobSavage wrote:*YAWN*
Cherry Dog is likely Town, Jennifer still needs to be lynched.
VOTE: Jennifer
Sorry, I forgot why Jennifer must be lynched. Can you quickly sum up the case for me?
(Yes I perfectly know the case, I just want Jacob to write it himself)
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Your last reasoning for voting/hammering Josh was:
In post 357, JacobSavage wrote:I have an issue yay
But the reason why I was willing to hammer is 1. A lot of people had expressed opinions on him and so.would be a good information lynch. 2. I prefere to not make the mod have to try and find a L-1 slot as often they are very hard to find.
I don't see these reasons as relevant anymore. Moreover, you didn't express any suspicion regarding Jennifer.
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In post 529, serrapaladin wrote:Jacob's posts about Josh/Jenn are horribly inconsistent. I like Els' posts, but not Mehdi's...I suck at playing with hydras.
Jacob, you said that you found Josh town, despite all of the reasons in 518 having applied. Why do you find Jennifer scummier now than Josh earlier this game based on the same evidence?
Define like. The difference is going to appear as long as our reads don't align and I'm fine with els questioning someone he suspects even if I don't.
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@Cheery, tbh I just disliked seeing the guy I'm tunneling lose several votes. That's really what it comes down to me. Els was part of the vote removal and I don't think I'm scum. And unlike having gm as a suspicion I had him as a weak town/null read then and currently he'd be a weak town read for nothing really in particular.
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