Open 474 - Friends and Enemies - Game Over!

[borkjerfkin]

Hi

tl;dr while I catch up?

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I've replaced into longer.

Anything else to say?

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Also who are you voting for? I don't see your name anywhere on the vote count

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Jennifer can you summarize the goodmorning wagon if you're still around?

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Hi kondi.

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Did she vote Josh for something scummy or just for lurking? I'll ISO her first.

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Well there is definitely nothing scummy about #175, so there's that.

And yeah, she voted him because she didn't want to quickhammer, which I'd call alignment neutral -- quickhammering puts heat on the person that does it, so not doing that is usually just smart.

Your assertion pretty much revolves around the fact that she is being opportunistic, NOT lazy. The two are not interchangeable, and if she's scum she had to realize that the guy wasn't getting hammered without being able to claim and therefore getting replaced, so I'm favoring lazy, and that's a towntell in my experience.

Your tone is dichotomous in #476 -- at one point you want my support on the wagon but at another you're still trying to figure GM out?

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As of now, she's leaning town to me, and it would be stronger if I didn't vehemently disagree that #175 is a good reason to have been voting your slot at all.

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On phone, but I would think the reason obvious - i never checked.

UNVOTE:

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So far --

Already mentioned GoodMorning so I'll just reiterate that she leans town.

I think NicCage had the appropriate reaction for what GM did regarding the Josh wagon. He can be town.

Mehdihydra (I'm probably going to call him such) I'm also going to call semi-strong town...#444/#449 is fucking town as shit, and I'm fine with the reasons being on the Josh wagon. The only thing that spooks me here is that hydra dissonance is so easy to fake and I have no idea if the cold feet on Josh/Jennifer is really genuine or not. Still I find nothing else in the ISO worthy of suspicion here.

Jacob is...wow. #164 is derp as hell. #194 seems to imply that all three scum were on the Josh wagon which is hilariously naive. #315 is a lone bright spot of insight I suppose. and then #339 totally shoots everything else out the window and I'm not even going to read anymore yeah we've likely got scum here.
VOTE: Jacob

KX....everything through post ~100 is filler theory discussion. Great. #163 is so so much IIoA. Looks like he's been sitting on fenceville regarding his previous vote ever since Josh left the game, but hasn't really commented on Jennifer's play at all, and that looks to me like he's trying to decide whether or not the Jennifer wagon is going to regain traction.

((I'll vote KX if the Jacob wagon dies.))

Don't like cheery for:

Your slot is scum, you're probably going to convince me otherwise of this by playing a lot better game than your predecessor. (Which wouldn't be hard.)

Not a town attitude; this looks like he's setting up to flip flop on me when I inevitably do play a better game than Venrob (and yeah, I've played with Venrob too). I'm going back and forth on whether or not I'm overreacting to this comment. I also have no idea what he's on about in #67 with the vote for my slot and I fail to see how it's supposed to translate to this game at all. Null overall just due to the fact that I have stronger scum reads.

Obviously not done with reads but I like to make my walls manageable.

p-edit: goodposting@Jennifer ^

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#506 -- it preempted my post when I tried to post it. I didn't even look at #504 yet.

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I'll concede that -- it's not as much IIoA as it is just shallow analysis.

Anyway you can have a pass for now re: your last sentence of #511.

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At the current state of things, that's ridiculous. He at least warrants suspicion.
VOTE: Jennifer

holy opportunism batman

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Jacob what happened between 322 and 339 that you were willing to hammer Joshifer?

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At the current state of things, that's ridiculous. He at least warrants suspicion.
VOTE: Jennifer

holy opportunism batman

How so?

It looks like you're calling PJ scummy for a bunch of things and then using it as ammo against Jennifer because she doesn't agree with you. That doesn't jive with me.

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Lol

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To your first question, it's because of the informational gain and that your lynch would probably break up this stalemate of sorts while I don't believe lynching Jacob would let us say to much. I mean, we could FoS those who defended him

This reads like you already know he's flipping scum.

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Why do you say that?

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Why do you say that?

Why do I say what?

And @Panzer, it's less because I don't understand your playstyle, and more like I don't understand your reasoning, and find what you've presented for people being scum to be questionable at best.

Why does a Jacob lynch give us no information? By definition if he's scum it gives us tons of information.

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Sorry guys was busy pretty much all day and won't have time for much content till tomorrow, but --

Jacob is A++ would vote again (I do not at all get the assertion that the drawing is some kind of towntell, it's essentially just trolling); order for the suggested compromises is probably PJ (don't have a strong enough read on yet), Jennifer (weak town), GM (town). I'd also offer up NicCage too at this point though for the horrible way he got himself on Jennifer wagon.

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Answers to both these questions can be found in my ISO

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Except that by asking me those questions in combination with where your vote currently is, "compromise" really seems more like "get me to do what you want to do".

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Could I proposea last second NicCage wagon. He's definitely scummier then everyone who has votes beside Goodmorning.

Jacob wagon dies and I'm there

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Wow what the fuck happened to the Jacob wagon.

I'll hammer GM for deadline as it's obvious she's not a mason with PJ but I still think this wagon is the worst of the bunch.

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Aha. Missed something.

VOTE: GM

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VOTE: Jacob

Nothing really changes about Jacob due to that flip.

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serra this is moonlogic

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Hi I'm here sorry -- I'll have time tonight but like half the game is V/LA

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@Bork, what did you see last second that made you hammer?

A thing.

I want to hear what the argument for Jacob town is cause what the hell.

I'm not wild about anything Serra has posted day 2, I have no real feel about anyone he's ruling out of his suspect list (see #778, #795). The whole "let's start another wagon thing while I'm talking about it" looks like an attempt to misdirect.

Klick seems on the level but I don't have enough from him to give him much than a weak townread.

HD is gut town cause he's saying everything I want to say re:serra.

Hydra is still town...not seeing any opportunism or compelling case on him.

Jennifer, AA9 both look town. Nic leans more town due to his reaction to my hammer.

Cheery and KX are still on my possible scum list due to PoE. Where's the obvtown KXness coming from? I do not see it.

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Eh, really not in a state to post right now, late and pretty tired, but prodded, so. Anyway, the one thing I want to immediately point out is why is Serra voting their second suspect scummy? I mean, I get the logic behind not voting your main scum suspect, but still, it's a scum suspect, i.e. somebody who you also believe to be scum, it's not like you're withholding your vote or something, and his reasoning for it does make sense. Even more so though, I want to question what the motivation for a scum player doing it is. Anyway, sorry about this, but I'll have to put off posting more for a while longer.

The issue is that he's doing it

while his main suspect is the leading wagon.

What is the

town

motivation for that?

The potential scum motivation for it is that serves as distancing to Jacob while not actually putting any pressure on him, and also generally makes wagon analysis harder/less useful (people have to keep track of who his vote is actually on as well as the fact that it's not his primary suspect)

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I agree with HD re: HD vs Hydra argument, but I think Hydra is simply being naive and not scummy.

This feels like the longest V/LA from Jacob ever.

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yeah that's pretty weaksauce and is not gonna gain any traction

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I'm not being judgmental; I'm just saying that you're not gonna get a Cheery wagon off of that.

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V/LA Friday-Monday

prolly LA.

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Hey all back from V/LA but drained. Will catch up tomorrow.

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VOTE: Serra

Already explained what I didn't like about his handwavy "let's start some wagons" thing.
#920 is self WIFOM. I agree with #987 that a serra scum-flip strongly implies Jacob town.

Hydra's defense of serra summarized in #983 (and introduced earlier) IS WIFOM and HD is correct for pointing that out -- additionally I think serra's read changes and jump on the GM wagon are much more telling pieces of evidence than the fact that HD straight up defended GM yesterday: I don't know that I see scum do that to each other very often at all, even in 3+ scum games.

I also don't think hydra is scum, as I've said, I just think he has an overly simplistic view of how yesterday went down.

@ArcAngel, serra: your wagons are not happening (nor is mine). Throw support somewhere else.

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@bork:

If serra is scum, who do you think his partner is?

I tend not to bother with positive connections pre-flip unless it's some weird scenario where nobody makes sense as a viable partner. This is not one of those times.

As for negatives, it's probably not you or hydra -- your stances on serra are too hardline.

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I'm saying that you just can't say that "X was driving Y's wagon and Y was scum therefore X is town"

Interactions are subtler than that.

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In your posts, you are basically saying that strongly defending scum is less suspicious than defending a town counterwagon when scum is being wagoned. This is total crap.

I'm only arguing that circumstantially, but really it's not total crap. Scum knows they'll take heat for defending other scum and won't endeavor to do it. Town sometimes is just wrong.

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It's really ballsy WIFOM from scum. It's more of a "this is behavior I tend to see more often from town than from scum" because most scum are disinclined to hard buddy their partners.

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But seriously, this type of shit is why I don't go looking for partners pre-flip.

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I really really don't want to lynch Hydra -- 1019 seems extremely town.

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Yesterday I pointed out how we should start compromising and got called scummy for it. I also said I was willing to lynch someone I'd been defending to avert an NL. I have no idea how Bork thinks 1019 is EXTREMELY TOWN for Hydra, but not for me yesterday.

There isn't anything scummy about compromising -- and honestly I didn't see whatever post you're even talking about. I'm calling Hydra town because here's the way I'd expect both alignments to handle getting pressure off themselves and onto the other wagon:

scum: "Upon further examination, X is slightly scummy from serra and here is why <changes vote>"
town: "I am blatantly doing this to save my ass <changes vote>"

Whereas you've been "I guess Hydra is kinda scummy too" (I realize he's not in your top 2 but you've NOT been calling him town at all)
But you've been reluctant to vote him, even so close to deadline, and now you've suddenly 180'd on him, saying he's town and acting like this vote is just a deadline thing for you. This doesn't add up.

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You've never once, before this deadline lynch situation developed, said Hydra was "more likely town than not". You've called him scummy, though.

And yet you post stuff like 1028 like you know he's flipping town.

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And you're totally deemphasizing that you've been calling him scummy most of the day for cred tomorrow in case you do survive.

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If Serra flips scum Jacob looks better to me, if town then he should be tomorrow's lynch.

ArcAngel is town.

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so basically what I said

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if serra flips town I think Jacob is my top suspect still.

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yeah sorry I was too liberal with my pronouns.

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Consider my vote on Jacob until I reread everyone.

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AA do you have like a once per hour quota within which you have to change your avatar?

Here are the best I can do with reads for the moment.

Town: AA, HD, Nic, KX
Not Necessarily Town (probably goes left to right in order of scumminess but this is quickly becoming one of those PoE games for me): Jennifer, Hydra, Cheery, Jacob

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Nic towntold pretty hard in twilight D1

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AA do you have like a once per hour quota within which you have to change your avatar?

Here are the best I can do with reads for the moment.

Town: AA, HD, Nic, KX
Not Necessarily Town (probably goes left to right in order of scumminess but this is quickly becoming one of those PoE games for me): Jennifer, Hydra, Cheery, Jacob

Shit I meant right to left sorry

[borkjerfkin]

Struggling to maintain townread....





(seriously stop rolefishing)

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*thumbsup*

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Yeah I was being melodramatic. Still, you're treading on dangerous ground here.

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@HD - I missed that initially -- that point has merit, unlike whoever was calling the drawing that Jacob made a towntell.

I think you're "winning" the argument between you and Hydra, which is why at the moment I'm considering supporting that wagon, but it's also because you're seemingly always on the same page as me regards to lots of shit.

Jennifer has been a blind spot to me lately -- I initially townread her but she's been a non-presence lately, and yeah Cheery is null in any other game.

p-edit @AA: I've never played with Cheery before.

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VOTE: Doctor

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I have a huge meta townread on AA

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I have a huge meta townread on AA

That doesn't mean anything towards my read, my only eperience with her was in a broken game linked earlier.

Do you know how differently she plays as scum compared to town? because I don't know either alignments meta unless some confusion from a broken game means something.

I'm aware, just explaining my stance on it.

But she's kind of a flaily mess as scum.

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This game is like the world's largest expo on getting genders wrong

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I'm fine with Cheery if we go that way, actually I'm probably more fine with it than I am with Doc. HD?

VOTE: Cheery

If you don't see the other scuminess then fine, I'm not forcing you to join the wagon yet.

Just screams "I'm totally expecting this wagon to go nowhere so I'll just park my vote here".

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It's not as much a defense of GM as much as it is a chainsaw defense against you, but yeah.

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Excellent contribution A++ would read again.

Who's town then, right now?

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If he were a mason why would he not just hardclaim it at this point?

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VOTE: Doc

You were not seeing the soft claim, and p-edited an intent when I refused to claim outright.

I therefore don't believe that was really serious, and the fact I already jade a scum read on you just add to why you might have wanted to have me claim, I only bothered because jennifer had put attention to the soft claim already.

Let's explore this a little because I'm having trouble seeing where you're coming from. If Jacob had admitted later to seeing the softclaim at any point (which I didn't see either) and ALSO going to try to force your hardclaim I'd agree with your premise, but as it stands this doesn't really make any sense to me.

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Is he? All i see him saying that he is not confirming or denying his soft claim? If he is the mason, what is point of beating behind bushes anymore?

Eitherways, he will now be mafia's night target. I am just not sure how honest he is...
There is no counter claim becuz, our mason may not want to come out yet.. which could be a good thing too..

Confirmed not reading, cool

Can we lynch this scum yet?

I don't really see not reading as a scumtell. It's not the towntell people make it out to be, but she's still town.

@Jacob -- neither HD nor myself are getting lynched. How does that make you feel?

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I'm pretty sure I mentioned why I thought HD was town -- he was very much on the same page as me for most of the early game (this is improbable if he's scum faking reads) and additionally he's pointing out some solid towntells which is something scum are generally going to ignore if they can get away with it.

AA I still have no idea what you're doing. KX is not happening.

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1301 from Jacob seems townish.

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AA is so town.

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doc's flipping scum for 1316/1320 alone if nothing else.

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I still really think HD is town -- do you have a better case than that because that's not a good case.

Jennifer/Jacob? I don't think it's KX.

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I think it's out of bork, HD, and Jacob. It's probably not bork though, I just can't rule him out. KX has seemed weird lately, but I expect him to come back and redeem himself.

Why Jennifer bork?

Pure PoE -- I have a strong townread on AA and medium townread on HD. I don't think it's KX based on interactions with several other people. I don't think it's you.

That leaves Jennifer and Jacob.

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VOTE: Jacob

I think this probably has more legs than a Jennifer wagon today. We'll see.

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On bork himself, seemed to be jumping around with votes and suspicions a ton, while avoiding HD, and there was an interesting shift in his thoughts on me plus a strange lurking almost contrasted with the aggressiveness.

Explain this because you're being really vague.

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Fuck I think I'm becoming a brony.

Pain in the ass, isn't it?

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I hate this sort of VCA:

1) it's cherry picked to support your point.
2) you're using yourself, an unflipped entity, as conftown in it.
3) you're suggesting that leaving a stalled wagon in favor of another is some kind of scumtell.

p-edit: @AA: seriously please read my posts jesus.

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On reading your HD case I think the thing you're perturbed about is that HD was pointing out my predecessor's playstyle tells, while also calling you out for pointing out your own playstyle. Do you realize that those are not analogous situations?

I agree that the defense of Venrob in and of itself was fairly flimsy, but that was also quite early in the game. I also don't really take issue with the quote block you brought up comparing my slot and Josh; I'm actually struggling to see the point you're trying to make with it.

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So is Jacob gonna lurk his way out of a lynch for like the 4th straight day?

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KX I might run an MLP game in the near future, fyi.

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Hi all. its me.

Im a little snowed under currently. Personally I'm going to go with the Hydra's choice and:

VOTE: HD

I had a look though his posts earlier and gave up trying to make any meaning of them there was so many. Try again tomorrow it seems.

Taking mcqueen's avatar is not going to make people want to lynch you less.

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What's interesting to me though is that I have a townread on Jennifer, so is there anything about her that strikes you as scummy?

Not especially -- I just don't see any glaring reason to call her town. Why is she town to you? Why not vote Jacob if he's scummy to you? I get that voting HD would be hammering him.

I also get that Jacob is starting to become a policy lynch for people, but I think his day 1 play was lousy and he's been out of sight => out of mind for most of us since then.

I agree with the negative connection between KX and Jacob, that's a pretty good find.

I've yet to see a compelling case on HD that conflicts with my earlier reads of him.

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AA is not reading the thread. Swell.

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Why is he not happening exactly? I bet I can get him to happen.

I'm not voting HD, soooooo?

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I know I said Nic townslipped in twilight but...I'm not so sure I can put stock in that anymore.

This is precisely how I feel about the Jacob slip you mentioned.

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And I disagree, so we're at an impasse.

I said I'd vote Jennifer as well. Who are your compromises if you're so worried we're going to need one?

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So how is that not tantamount to you wanting me to vote HD? Do you just want me to vote someone not jacob and you don't care who? (I don't really think this, but you're not being terribly clear right now)

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I am not going to rehash my arguments every time you ask because you can't be bothered to read.

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HD: similar reads to me, pointing out various towntells by several players. Being wrong isn't a scumtell.
Jacob: derping around wrt to several wagons D1 (I talk about this very early in my ISO), that picture he drew, lurksack D2-4. PoE.

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Being wrong isn't a scumtell.

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do you think scum normally just go "fuck it, i'm pushing town lynches all game and hard defending my buddies"

that's really really naive if you do.

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Please prod jacob while you're at it.

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The one scummy thing I remember going back through Nic's ISO that I called attention to D1 was that his "Here's a huge case on panzer but let's vote jennifer after all that cause why the fuck not" (#516) was AWFUL. That probably offsets that twilight towntell (#760) and points to the lack of a jennifer/niccage team.

Eh, I'll consider Nic (ArcAngel please give an opinion here).

Jacob's better IMO.

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You weren't worried about that with HD...

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Also, for Bork's response that HD isn't scummy for following those lynches, since scum would inevitably buss, think about it. Of the three scum was lynched D1. That meant only two were left. We're assuming HD is the second, so that means there's only one aside from him left. To buss them would mean he'd have to win the rest of the game only himself. A good way to get them both to survive would be for them to pressure others, and push for lynches of innocents. And look how that went?

This is circular reasoning. You can't assume HD is scum when you're trying to prove he's scum.

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@AA ans Bork, which out of HD ans Nic do you find the scumniest and why?

If you have to ask me this you're clearly not reading the game.

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First, it was in response to a comment about how being wrong on so many lynches doesn't make him scum, and so this explains why it actually does.

Except it doesn't. It's not a tell either way; stop trying to make it into one.

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I'd like NicCage to explain 1434 better before I put him at L-1, but consider my vote on NicCage for the time being.

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I like how on D1 Nic was arguing that Panzer's case on HD was weak, but now that Panzer has flipped he's analyzing those same arguments as something he personally believes to be true.

I mean it's one thing to say "Panzer was town and he built a case on HD so he may have been onto something"
and another to disseminate that case and say that you agree with it when you clearly did not at the time.

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Dude, you built a case on Panzer and now you deny culpability via "I didn't know what I was doing?" Instead of just "Guess I was wrong" which is what town would say?

VOTE: NicCage

This over HD so much.

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And crap AA has the hammer

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Wow.

You left that to AA.

I'm disappointed, town.

Not sure I could've helped it other than hammering you myself =\


Either way I mostly agree with HD's assessment if he flips town. Could be AA/Nic for her thing about not caring if HD got hammered but making sure Nic didn't. Outside shot at AA/Jacob too but I doubt it.

If HD flips scum after all this I'd be willing to bet the last is Jennifer because it's not Nic or AA, and Jacob is even an outside shot at that point.

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That's not a good reason to relax at this point.

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You thought I was the last mason when I was on the cheery wagon? I'm not sure I buy that.

I actually thought you were a mason day 1 (remember when I said I "saw something" and voted GM? That was the something. Look at panzer #514; that seemed an obvious partner softclaim at the time) and then realized I was wrong later when you pointed out the cheery softclaim, which you'd not bother with if you were a mason, and you went back into my suspect pool on D4.

Looking at the twilight reactions to HD I'm not thrilled with Jennifer's reaction -- she seemed 100% convinced that HD was flipping town before the flip happened, which town really shouldn't be. Contrast that to AA who was more paranoid. Nic's reaction was less pronounced and I can't really make a gut read on it one way or the other.

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AA -- we get that it's LyLo; please stop derping around and give your own reads.

I don't want to lynch AA mainly for how twilight happened and I'll only look into her again if we lynch Nic, but she's not for today.

Nic's what my mind is telling me just due to his bad explanations for read changes, but I have a gut warning bell about Jennifer that is harder to pin down -- she seems to blend in and pop out at important times and I seriously don't see at all why she'd have honestly thought I was a mason. Jacob could be scum with anyone or just horribly uninterested town because he never fucking posts; I wish we'd gotten rid of him earlier like I'd wanted.

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You think I'm scum but you also think you're wrong about me being scum?

what

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that is not reads

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That's because they've actually been playing the game.

I look forward to your re-evaluation.

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I don't like the reasons for your flip on HD.

I didn't like your explanation at the time (#1447); it looks like an excuse not to explain where your head was at Day 1.

And considering the HD flip it looks opportunistic as hell -- which is what I thought yesterday anyway, but had HD flipped scum I'd be looking at it differently.

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Ok Jacob, since you're playing the PoE angle:

Please explain your AA and Jennifer townreads in your own words because I don't recall you having done so.

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I mean if it's between Nic and me I think it's obvious where my vote's gonna go.

I'm just kinda bewildered at how Jennifer is suddenly reading Jacob town for today's posts of all things.

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VOTE: NicCage

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High five, my friend.

[borkjerfkin]

goodmorning I'm sorry for bussing you . Probably could've avoided it.

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GG town. I thought we were in serious trouble with the D1 wagons but Jacob handled himself incredibly well with posting just enough to ride some gut townreads to the finish line.

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If I had any idea you thought I was a mason I'd have considered leaving KX alive.

But I think you'd have eventually figured me out with Cheery's huge scumread on Venrob early game as well as my willingness to lynch him.

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I'm ok with it -- Jacob go ahead and post if you are too.

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Yeah that's fine.

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Yeah I had it nailed down to two teams from D1, it was either Panzer-Klick-Jennifer or Panzer-Cheery-KX. I went with my gut, which was wrong, but it worked out.

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btw I really like this setup.

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it is as you say

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AA I think I've been scum in every completed game I've played with you (although you were also scum in one)

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She never had a chance to, my hammer was like 10 seconds after Jacob's vote.

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I don't think anyone here was in my last scum game either, also won in a similar fashion...

I was so close to voting, I almost didn't see arc...

Yeah I just wanted to make sure you knew I was around

[borkjerfkin]

can we share scum qt now?

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I'm really surprised you thought HD and I were a team.

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Indeed, thanks

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Yeah i liked the whole premise. Quite meta.

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fucking knew that

Hi

tl;dr while I catch up?

Your slot is scum, you're probably going to convince me otherwise of this by playing a lot better game than your predecessor. (Which wouldn't be hard.)

This is exactly why I posted that post when venrob replaced out and it still fucking happened!

Also Mason QT

Venrob rather L-1ing people and replacing out = scum.

I will not be happy with myself if I let that happen a third time.

I'm really glad I was just able to handwave that all away with "lol venrob" and you even gave me some leverage over you in the way you said it.