Open 518 LotteryLand (EndGame)

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VOTE: likeabauss

ive said what i needed to

VOTE: Mutley
Your fiasco Day 1, and now this?
Is there any reason for us to not lynch you?

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VOTE: likeabauss

ive said what i needed to

VOTE: Mutley
Your fiasco Day 1, and now this?
Is there any reason for us to not lynch you?

First, this is his town meta

Oooh, ok, that makes sense. UNVOTE: Mutley
Second, he has already explained why he doesn't like likeabauss [/quote]
I think he should explain again.. put it all together in one cohesive post.
Third, almost everyone was on D1's wagon and a fiasco =/= scum[/quote]
He was the one who

lead

the wagon.. granted the person technically claimed scum.

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VOTE: Likeabauss
I see mut's case.

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I didn't send a fruit to anyone..
I completely forgot :\
And I actually think bauss is more scum than not.
I can show you why.

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If I was scum I'd have no reason to reveal the info I currently hold and would keep it secret.

the only people who are certain about alignment on D1 are scum. And you sound pretty certain.

BS, I've seen lots of town accuse with certainty (and are wrong as often as not). So why did you think mutley scum?

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Also

FoS: Derivan and MrBartlet

if Saki flips town.

You do realize MrBartlet has flipped town. Why did you think Derivan and Bartlet scum?

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@Likeabauss: it also gives us an idea of what roles could scum possibly have, however I still think it's too early for any massclaims or anything.

Good point: Likeabauss, in trying to paint mutley scummy, completely ignores any and all alternatives

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Saki can be temperamental and I'm not sure if he's being serious or facetious because he's frustrated. Do you believe everything a person says in mafia?

At this point, I'm not prepared to lynch anybody just yet because there is plenty to discuss and explore.

Likea seems to show an implied knowledge of saki being town. This is apparent in his semi-defense of saki here and during D1.

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Vote: likeabauss

Mutters is town town town town town town town town

How?

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I'm fine with being the default lynch for today, as my role is useless now and I screwed up pretty good offing Sakura... but not before a good solid debate and contributions from all the players. We cant afford to stay behind on the info anymore which is all we managed to do during D1.

Fine with being default lynch? Unless you're fool or something you should be interested in not being lynched: if you KNOW that you are town.. then you should KNOW your lynch is a mislynch, then you should ABSOLUTELY be against your lynch. How the hell can you be fine with being lynched? I suspect the statement to be WIFOM.

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I think Bauss' last post is a little townish. But then again a mafia guy could have gotten the 1 shot town vig as well. I don't like how he's fine with being default lynch, though. If he is town he could and should help scumhunt.

I think it's scummy. Go figure.

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I'm VLA until the 26th, but am reading. Posting will be spotty, my apologies in advance. Regardless of who you think/decide we should hang today, don't rush the friggin day phase like Mutters did yesterday. It just handicaps town, dramatically.

If anybody had given me a chance to post some thoughts/reads yesterday, you would've heard my opinion on Saki more thoroughly. I just finished a game with him (and Sakura) where my reads on him (and her) were dead nuts on and it was almost a flawless town win. Saki has good gut instincts but is still noobish and can be temperamental. The logic doesn't always compute but meh. Sakura, I pegged wrong this game.

I thought since she piled on the Saki vote, right in the butterzone, plus some numbers lottery theory, that she was pretty solid scum. Last game I hazed Saki and Sakura, got great profiles and reads on them both. I expected town Sakura would've shown some prudence in the vote, especially on D1 dominated by a single WIFOM voice (Mutley) and leveraged off my read on Saki

(Town Bauss or Scum Bauss, alignment regardless, I didn't want to hang Saki because he was town. Scum knows he's town, town Bauss has good reads on Saki.)

I was feeling confident after reading her last game and seeing a departure from what I knew/expected from Sakura as town play.

TLDR, I'm the one shot town vig. I popped Sakura last night. I was wrong. My bad. Even the Bauss makes mistakes sometimes.

I'm fine with being the default lynch for today, as my role is useless now and I screwed up pretty good offing Sakura... but not before a good solid debate and contributions from all the players.

We cant afford to stay behind on the info anymore which is all we managed to do during D1.

Heck, I owe an explanation to all of you.

1) I hate how he keeps alluding to himself and self-metaing with the terms "Scum Bauss" and "Town Bauss." That rubs me the wrong way in his explanation of his vig choice.

2) "YA KNOW I'm fine being default lynched today" (What kind of attitude is that if you just said YOU THINK MUTTERS'S WORDS HAVE BEEN WIFOM. How the heck can you be okay with that???? For a player like you, to appeal to us with that self-defeatist attitude just irks me. Majorly.

Bert town? If Bauss flips scum, I'm thinking mitillos is also scum.

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I agree that WIFOM is not helping town. If it is true that it contributed to Saki claiming scum, then it seems to suggest that it will only hurt town even more if it continues. However, the fact that Saki didn't honour his win condition is annoying.

CHEESE.

This isn't cute. What were you expecting? A medal?

Bert, gut instincts aren't all that helpful. You say that you don't like Bauss referring to himself as town/scum Bauss. Why is that? What correlation is there between referring to yourself and your alignment? Also, how do you reconcile post 143 and post 172? Also, your post 177 seems too friendly to me, and what is stopping you from doing something while you wait?

Mutters is WIFOM to the max, plus role fishing on D1, plus dominating the conversation. So yeah, its a bunch of anti-town behavior. BUT, despite all that, and my assertion of all those things yesterday... he still rallied enough voters to back him and lynch up Saki. (Scary) That means we need to get a conversation going that will get some people into the game instead of just following the guy that screams the loudest.

I'm not sure about this. Saki claimed scum after a mistake that would have been noticed had Mutley not mentioned it (Sakura pointed it out too). The bandwagon occurred after Saki said he was scum. It was seems like frustration (and petulance) on the part of Saki, rather than an aptitude for scumhunting on the part of Mutley. However I agree with you that there needs to be more conversation.

Your response to this argument somehow doesn't sit well with me. I haven't played mafia for a while, but isn't it still the case that an argument based upon a player's metagame is a weak argument? You seem to suggest that he was temperamental in the last game you played with him, so why play again?

Eh, you're going off gut so mine's just a massive overreaction, but whatever.

I just really don't agree with your reasons for voting bauss.

As Bert said, your overreaction isn't all that helpful either. Why don't you agree? How is it a serious vote and also an overreaction? Is this how you usually play on day two? How do you explain your vote on bert in the light of your recent vote on mutley?

Mutley, there is something strange about post 160 and post 175. You say you can understand why bauss would act the way he did if he were town, and then say that you don't need much confirming that he is scum?

I feel like I'm misunderstanding something.

Darger leans town.

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also like I say your only defence on why you took those roles is oh yo uare using too much WIFOM. It's not WIFOM cos its set up logic.

What are you talking about? You're foaming at the mouth. I explained quite clearly and logically why I chose the role I did and how I chose my target for last night. You are SPECULATING on what other people would do if they were town or scum. Its exactly WIFOM. To top it off, you've been wrong about almost everything this entire game. You're borderline useless, and you're incomprehensible arguments are based entirely on speculation.

Your thoughts on Saki... why would scum claim scum when he did? He barely had any case against him. Not to mention it would be against his win condition (if he were scum.) He said "Yeah, I claim scum" sarcastically and that was just an easy excuse for you to continue spewing bs and defend your shat case. You didn't take time to be careful, and choose wisely... you rammed a lynch as fast as you could. If you're town, that's terrible play. Are you happy with what you did D1? Are you proud of it? Because you're following in your own footsteps again for D2. A path to failtown.

If you are town, and you're clearly camping the thread, why aren't you trying to get a conversation going? If I had more time, I'd be trying to draw people in, pressure the lurkers, etc. You've got all the time in the world and you aren't doing shit. Even if you really believe youre right about me, you've still got other scum to find. Are you lazy? Do you not care? We're down 3 townies and you're content with sitting tight? Get to work, or gtfo.

This post was the post that made me think likea is scum.
Note the following: likea has been trying to push mutley (easy lynch?) to death. Likea tells mutley what he

should

be doing as town. Funny thing is, Likea fails to do the very same prior to this post. Hypocritical much? Several pages later (maybe to not look like a hypocrite.. too late lol) likea does exactly what he says mut should be doing. If likea truly believed what he was saying here, he would have been implementing it already prior to stating it. As it stands, there are 7 entire pages of his not doing what he is telling mut to do.

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Although I think likeabauss reaction to saki claiming scum is very scummy.

VOTE: likeabauss

at this point I doubt either mutley or bauss is scum.

I think either one or the other is scum. Activity does not count as an alignment indicative.

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Ok ignore all the Apparent WIFOM

What about him knowing saki was going to flip town

.

What about the fact he killed Sakura for being scum Sakura even though she was bleeding her town meta

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Bert is probably town.

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Alright I just saw the defense for the 'knowing saki is town'
the defense: sheer semantics.
Unless it were an idiot, no mafia would ever openly declare an alignment D1. It's more his defending saki, showing that he

probably

knew she was town before she flipped.
I don't know what to make of siv.

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If bauss flips scum, I think likely scum would be mitilos and siv.

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Beginner, why address noctan and sakura?

The whole one or the other is lovely for scum, we lynch one and oopsie, well, it must be the other!

This post was the post that made me think likea is scum.
Note the following: likea has been trying to push mutley (easy lynch?) to death. Likea tells mutley what he

should

be doing as town. Funny thing is, Likea fails to do the very same prior to this post. Hypocritical much? Several pages later (maybe to not look like a hypocrite.. too late lol) likea does exactly what he says mut should be doing. If likea truly believed what he was saying here, he would have been implementing it already prior to stating it. As it stands, there are 7 entire pages of his not doing what he is telling mut to do.

About this, mutley has way more posts and time than bauss. There aren't 7 pages of him not doing this, because he wasn't there for the first 4.

Beginner seems to accept mutley-town way too easily and is still questioning people who also go for it.

VOTE: beginner

I was told Mutley's behavior is his meta.
Siv, from my experience, meta-confirmation is pretty accurate most of the time.

Post time quantity is irrelevant. Bauss may not have had the same post time, but he's not neglecting the game. Quite contrary, he's been following up on the game (apparent in his regular interval of posting, and his posts, when made, are pretty decent wall-o'-texts.
Siv, how is his post quantity more important than his post content? Why are you intentionally ignoring Bauss's post content?

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Siv, what really ties you to bauss is your utter disregard for him. It's something I often see in experienced scumbuddies. They never really converse.
Siv, I don't even know whether or not you agree with my points simply because you've ignored all of them, opting instead for singular, lesser relevant details to push my vote.
Siv, instead of telling me why you think my posts are viable enough for your voting me for lynch,

I would like to know why you've chosen to ignore my points

(the meat of my content)

on Likeabauss.

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Beginner, some of the people you've addressed are no longer in the game, and quoting posts and following it up with 'is likely town' doesn't generate any content but just clutters the thread. I'm hesitant to vote you because I liked how Noctans was playing and you've already claimed fruit vendor. Siveure, what bearings does Noctans' claim have on your read of Beginner?

Alright I messed up.. I wasn't paying attention to the living players list as much as I was to scummy/towniness in post behavior/content. Disregard the mention to dead players.
What do you think of my points on likeabauss?

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293 and 296 do not contradict. Bauss turns out correct in his defending Saki (quite suspect when we consider the fact that, with only the mafia knowing who town are, the defense is barely justified). I saw it more likely that likebauss is looking for town cred here than actually trying to defend Saki. Mutley turned out justifiably wrong in trying to lynch Saki (Saki claiming scum). That's a huge distinction you're missing, Siv.
Is this intentional ignorance I'm seeing?
Siv, scum can fake arguments. I see it often. Where do you get off equating posting quantity to towniness? Siv, please. Activity does not count as a good alignment indicative. I feel like I'm repeating myself.. oh wait, I AM! Why the hell are you ignoring my content?
It's also been established via meta that mutley is probably town. I did initially FOS mutley, but I don't anymore. IF bauss flips town, I wouldn't lynch mutley. Disregard the 'one or the other' statement since you're obviously taking it the wrong way. English..

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If I was scum I'd have no reason to reveal the info I currently hold and would keep it secret.

the only people who are certain about alignment on D1 are scum. And you sound pretty certain.

BS, I've seen lots of town accuse with certainty (and are wrong as often as not). So why did you think mutley scum?

I made my case for mutley. If you have specific questions, please ask.

Make it again because I've went over the day and have examined the conversation between you and Mutley. Isn't Mutley's behavior supposedly his town meta (multiple sources say so)?
Are you saying that town is never wrong.. ever??
Bauss, why did you think Saki was inno (other than meta since that's just lazy and you were the only one touting it)?
Bauss.. is tunneling an easy-lynch target (case against whom is premade D1) and being hypocritical your meta?

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Don't answer that last question.

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Fix: Post 318 applies to and addresses mitillos, not siv.

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@Mitillos first, Bauss had every justifiable reason to FOS/vote on Saki. Second, consider Bauss's 'I knew Saki was town' attitude the next day (using Mutley's leading the very well justified wagon against Saki as one of the reasons for his FOSing Mut). If he truly believed Saki not scum as a town player, he would most likely be pushing and pushing HARD against the bad lynch by explaining why the lynch is bad, basically to convert all the wagon jumpers why he himself wasn't jumping the wagon.
Bauss's behavior just does not compute. Mitillos, I wasn't simply calling Bauss scum because of the alignment flip. It is one of several components which, when put together, paint a compelling case of Bauss's very likely being scum.
And as to the argument case, you have no idea how far I've seen scum argue in terms of post quantity. People's post count simply aren't reliable indicators in deciding their alignment.


@Frog: would you rather I had slowly copied and pasted each and every quote and response I felt like making and put it together in one gigantic post? How is the quantity of posts even relevant in light of said posts' contents? Frog, why are you ignoring my points?

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[quote="In post 1, Mist7676"]

Drafting Explanation:

1. This setup includes 8 possible roles that can be both Mafia or Town.
2. The roles are:

• *Night 3 Vigilante OR Vengeful
  *1-Shot Vigilante OR 1-Shot PGO (active)
  *Cop OR 1-Shot Redirector
  *1-Shot Commuter OR 1-Shot Watcher
  *Doctor OR Roleblocker
  *Universal Backup OR Role Cop
  *Neighborizer OR Fruit Vendor
  *Jailkeeper OR Tracker

Bert can't possibly be a third party survivor.

@mod: Are we going to get Bert's real flip eventually (tomorrow maybe?) or will it remain a mystery until endgame?

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Actually never mind.. there are 9 players, but only 8 possible roles.

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@Frog: would you rather I had slowly copied and pasted each and every quote and response I felt like making and put it together in one gigantic post? How is the quantity of posts even relevant in light of said posts' contents? Frog, why are you ignoring my points?

You could link the post and comment briefly on each one. As for ignoring your points, there's not really much for me to comment on in 300 since it is just you stating unsubstantiated opinions, nor in 301, where you quote a large passage but only write three words, nor in 303, which is much the same as 300, or 305, which is the same as 301, etc. In 302 you talk about hypocrisy but that is not equal to scum, and in 306, where you think him saying Saki was town was scummy as only scum can know alignments. I have seen town say that they know someone else is town countless times before, so I view that point as null. You say in 307 that mitillos or siv could be scum if bauss flips scum, but you don't say why. I've ignored you because I can't reply to poorly reasoned opinions.

@mitillos: I was sort of talking to siv as he is voting for beginner, but as a matter of fact his posting habits do annoy me.

@Frog:
There are three issues you are fabricating in your senile attempt to negate my case, and I will respond to each:
First, Frog, I've also seen town declare knowledge of alignment. You're ignoring the entire context in which Bauss touts his town-read on Saki. It is entirely weak and barely, if at all, justifiable. If anything, Mutley's HoS on Saki was actually much more likely, believable and presentable than Bauss's town-read. Again, Bauss's behavior does not compute unless he were mafia. It explains his behavior perfectly. You're suffering a case of refutation-bias.
Second, true, hypocrisy is not equivalent to scum. Again, you're taking individual points out of context. You're failing to ask the following questions:
What does it mean that Bauss was being a hypocrite in his reprimanding Mutley?
Frog, Bauss's being hypocritical means he didn't truly believe what he was saying.
What was his motive then?
Let us reexamine the post:
P1:The motive that is immediately apparent in that post against Mut is to portray Mut in a scummy light.
P2: The content by which Bauss was illustrating his intent, in light of his hypocrisy, is most likely contrived/fake.
P3: Bauss was using contrived/fake content to paint Mut in scumminess.
P4: Only scum use fake/contrived reasoning to make other people look scummy
C: Bauss is scum.

As for your comparing my posts (Post #2 = Post #4 and is relative to ppost #3).. I can't derive anything tangible here.. it's an utter mess.
As for the Mitillos/siv could possibly be scum if Bauss flips scum.. I'm not going to explain until the flip occurs. You're seriously going to discredit me based on this one post?

Frog, what are your reads?

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@Beginner: Fair enough, perhaps bauss could have acted more pro-town, by championing Saki. I can accept that. On the other hand,

Highlight 1: Saki himself kind of gave up on this game, by lying about both his role and alignment and then self-hammering. Hard to stop the lynch of someone who gets to that point

. But I'm not sure there really is anything else in his behaviour that points to him being scum. He attacked mutley for giving more information to scum.

Highlight 2: This was not actually mutley's fault

, but it does show a pro-town viewpoint on the part of bauss. The only other thing you seem to be saying against bauss is how being OK with his own lynch isn't pro-town. I agree that, if he is town, he should fight tooth and nail to convince people of this. But he did make the addendum that this was only in case there were no other alternatives (no-lynch is bad). And don't forget that he messed up and took out a PR overnight.

Highlight 3: If he is town, being suddenly resigned after this makes sense. So, I consider this a null-tell.

Regarding the argument: Again, I am not simply going by post counts. It's also about the amount of content contained there. And yes, scum will sometimes argue for pages and pages. I've seen it too. You can even find examples of scum-mates doing it, hard-bussing each other for the entire game, hardly ever voting anyone else. But 1) it's *usually* town that does this and 2) (and this is far more important) I have town reads on both bauss and mutley, anterior to the argument. They are both operating from what appears to me to be a town mindset.

Highlight 1: True, it may/may not be difficult to stop Saki's lynch due to his attitude, but that is completely irrelevant. Bauss's effort? Minimal at best, insincere at worst.
Highlight 2: Exactly. It was not Mutley's fault. This was painfully apparent. The flip side: Bauss attempts at using this bad evidence to make Mut look scummy. It shows a probability of him wanting Mut lynched, whatever evidence used is barely relevant: Scum behavior
Highlight 3: It also makes sense as mafia. This point is null.

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Frog, why do you think Bauss is town?

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@frog: Why exactly would you be going after beginner? Cluttering the thread isn't alignment indicative and he is generating content, by going through the thread and making reads, i.e. scumhunting. My read on him is town, so am I missing something, or are you just too annoyed by the large number of consecutive posts?

Or is he just scum trying to place another player in a negative light (leads to making them look scummy)?

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Beginner complaining about discrediting and trying to make someone look scummy and doing it himself lol. VERY negative wording, so yeah...

About me/mit being scum if bauss is, say it now. If it's good, it'll strengthen your case. If it's bad, you've at least said what you think. You also seem to consider frog as scum, so who is your main scumspects?

Let me get back to that.. there were some posts and general behavioral tells that gave me this impression.

Also LOL at "hey you said it's null because it makes sense as town well i'm gonna say it makes sense as mafia so it's null." Reduce redundancy!

Reread: I didn't register the sentence after the post I was quoting. Fair enough. Why are you working so hard to impair my credibility?

Anyway, do we have a n3 vig? I say we just no-lynch now. Or, maybe scum have it. Ew. If they do we need to lynch scum now. If they don't then lynching town loses... Ummm, finish the massclaim. We're in MyLo, so we just finish it.

I'm not liking that you and Bauss are pushing so much for the mass claim together.. as if you're working together toward a scumteam objective. Much of what you've been doing has been in line with what Bauss has been doing.
Your generally being defensive of Bauss.. especially your constantly trying to put me off (first by voting me for some insubstantial reasoning.. attempting to paint me in a scummy light, then your ceaseless attempts to discredit me).. You're already pretty scummy without Bauss's flip, which will be more a confirmation than anything.

N3 vig needs to claim, because knowing we have it on a town person allows us to no-lynch.

To be honest siv, you are one of my main scumspect. I've gotten nothing substantive from you this entire game. You ask questions, but with no apparent purpose or objective.. Are you just going to poke at people's posts the entire game?

What are your results?

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I have not been discrediting anyone. Get your definitions right.

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Alright time to get some serious discrediting done:
@siv: First, there are multiple ways to use a word.. learn to read context or shut up.
Merriam Webster (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/discredit):
discredit - 2. to cause disbelief in the accuracy or authority of
Being snide to goading is not the same as impairing other people's credibility.
Second, I'm not going to engage in a battle of semantics with you.
Why you are you so keen on trying to paint me in a light of silliness? Why are you so keen on impairing my credibility?

@Mitillos: Point 1 - So you 'town read' Bauss before any of the stuff I'm calling him scum for happened as you were reading. Have you considered that in more advanced games (non-newb games) such as this one, everyone usually looks town at the game's outset? You can and should be changing and reevaluation your reads.
Point 2 - you were wrong about Bert.. you were also wrong about Bartlet.. trust me.. you're wrong on this one too. Unless you're in a newbie game, chances are scum will not be blatant or obvious. It's the minute cues and general behavioral patterns that are much more difficult to catch that we must depend on for true tells. Bauss is scum for reasons I've already outlined.
Town.. don't procrastinate your votes.. place them on likeabauss.

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Reads should not be constant. They are always subject to change.

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First, Frog, I've also seen town declare knowledge of alignment. You're ignoring the entire context in which Bauss touts his town-read on Saki. It is entirely weak and barely, if at all, justifiable. If anything, Mutley's HoS on Saki was actually much more likely, believable and presentable than Bauss's town-read. Again, Bauss's behavior does not compute unless he were mafia. It explains his behavior perfectly. You're suffering a case of refutation-bias.
Second, true, hypocrisy is not equivalent to scum. Again, you're taking individual points out of context. You're failing to ask the following questions:
What does it mean that Bauss was being a hypocrite in his reprimanding Mutley?
Frog, Bauss's being hypocritical means he didn't truly believe what he was saying.
What was his motive then?
Let us reexamine the post:
P1:The motive that is immediately apparent in that post against Mut is to portray Mut in a scummy light.
P2: The content by which Bauss was illustrating his intent, in light of his hypocrisy, is most likely contrived/fake.
P3: Bauss was using contrived/fake content to paint Mut in scumminess.
P4: Only scum use fake/contrived reasoning to make other people look scummy
C: Bauss is scum.

^Siv ignores this, but addresses the lesser relevant content above, prioritizing credibility impairment over a scumhunting discussion.. pretty damning imo

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Really? Does it look like I'm calling anyone else scum? Did I call mutley scum? Did I call Frog scum?
Don't like that I've narrowed down the scum to mainly you, bauss and mitillos?
I'm not calling you scum for simply disagreeing with me on bauss.. no, I'm calling you scum for scummy behavior. The likelihood of a credibility impairment coming from town is much lower than that from scum based on my experience. Especially when you consider the effect and then motive of said credibility impairment. Effect: If successfully done, will utterly destroy the target's ability to push lynches (and if the target is mislynched, an easy appeal to the player being 'silly' (Saki, although I'm nowhere near like Saki) can be made. I don't see a town motive anywhere.. especially with your ignoring my content. Where do you get off refuting me by ignoring my content?
Ignore my content more. Accuse me of 'spreading mud on everyone'. Have fun with that.

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@Beginner: Small point, but didn't you suggest that frog was scum, a couple of pages ago? Was that more of a joke post?

Suggesting frog may be scum is not synonymous to calling frog scum.. it's more a case of semantics, but my read on frog is volatile. Going on me for a subjectively perceived disorganization is so blatantly bad that I can't help but see it coming more from agitated town than scum. That post was more a jab at frog than an actual scum-declaration.

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Mutley, what is your read on siv?

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vote: likeabauss

they

have managed to do absolutely nothing all game.

FOS

: siv, mitillos, frog, darger.

'They'.. you've obviously edited that sentence. Who were you going to lump together with Bauss?

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Never mind, the context makes sense.

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Case against siv:
Siv has tied himself irrevocably to bauss with his intricate attention-push defense in which he attempts to first deter me from pushing bauss (with a hardly justified vote), then to badly delineate my credibility (again, indirect pushes against Bauss's lynch). I really don't like that the way Bauss and siv never converse. This is exactly how many scumteams behave. Scums either hold themselves at distant regard or have a hardon (bus) for each other. Also notice that siv has no apparent reads? What exactly has siv been doing the entire game except poke useless questions (trying to look town), but not offing any type of read or result from these questions? His motive, in light of his utter lack of productivity, reads or results from his questioning, is to ask questions for the sake of asking questions.. for the sake of looking town, not for the sake scum/town hunting at all. I think I mentioned this a few days back.
Also quite damning is this (which explains his shutting off and utterly ignoring my scumhunt content):

"YOU GUYS SUCK STOP LYNCHING ME AAARGH WHY ARE YOU LYNCHING ME NOOO NOO NOOOOO TOWN LOSES NOOO!"

That's how I deal with it as town.

As scum, ummm, I shut up. Regardless of how right they are.

However, this was posted after our little tiff in this thread, so it may be wifom cross-thread wifom to make bauss look scummy (maybe bauss is town) to whoever happens upon this post (which actually isn't very likely but confirms siv's alignment as scum). It means that, at this point, siv is scum in all scenarios..
Pretty damning.
Again, if Bauss is scum (he most likely is), then siv is most likely his scumbuddy

Mutley's either a legitimate idiot or he is dumbtelling to look town: I get a distinct 'too dumb for scum' vibe from him, and I'm not liking his not answering my question.. why does he think mitillos is scum? I'm actually seeing the mut-siv communication relationship to be very similar to that of bauss-siv.
There is a mut-siv potential.. Is this sustained aura of stupidity(no offense intended) really mut's meta?

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I'm more comfortable with a siv lynch atm.
Town read on jon.

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whoa whoa whoa wait, I've been assuming there were only 2 scum the whole time.. I just visited the list of players and there are 13?
How many scum are there?

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There are 2 or 3 scum..
If there are 3 scum.. then yes, bauss lynch then siv lynch. I think mitillos, darger, frog or mut would be most likely third candidates.. I'm leaning towards:
1. mitillos.. buddying me (ish) and possibly 180-bussing on bauss. Also his reads list which would have had town mislynching 2 candidates.. could be an honest mistake, but with such wrong reads coupled with that opening lynch impetus.. it's hard not to register a FoS..

Lol, actually.. I think frog is town, remove him from that list.
Frog.. let me bounce these ideas off of you.. give me some feedback..

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:'( So much for scumhunting..

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I blame bert..

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and me.. for thinking bauss was scum yay chain posts.