Open 548-WiFom City: The Invasion (Over)

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First!

VOTE: Sakura

~Wis

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dragons get an avatar

~Wis

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noo you're doing it wrong

you're supposed to vote sakura with me

~Wis

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why omgus ns and not me?

~Wis

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you mean im not obvtown??

~Wis

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You're never obvtown

blatant lies right there

lets lynch all liars

~Wis

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Woof Woof

~ Dog

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I approve of the sakura wagon

Shoot TAMMY FFS
~ Dog

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Second why jump on your mislynch wagon?

why is sakura a mislynch?

~Wis

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Because there has not been a valid reason stated on why to vote her. So at this point it is a mislynch in my mind. If someone had some type of reasoning to call her scum then you might change my mind but for now because of Hoopla's naked vote I believe Sakura is town and Hoopla is scum.

why do naked votes mean scum?

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FoS on Profont.

"This coming from MTD" regarding the creativity is repeating what Aisa said, and sheeping Hoopla also seems to follow what others have said.

Not voting yet because wanna discuss with the dog

(and Sakura wagon is too good to leave)

~Wis

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Because town should give reason for everything they do especially voting

What town should do is not what town do. Basically you're saying anti-town = scum. Find better reasons.

Do you agree with Profont's reasons on why Hoopla is scum?

~Wis

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"This coming from MTD" regarding the creativity is repeating what Aisa said

I think it's ok as a response to an RVS vote.

I don't like how it's repeating something that has already been said. It's like he was nervous about what to post so he resorted to repeating something. It strikes me as him caring about his appearence.

~Wis

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My point was that your Hoopla vote was also sheeping what someone other did, just like the creativity comment. I felt you were just being opportunistic there, thinking that Hoopla is pushable because of Dragons pushing her.

~Wis

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Doesn't help that the reasoning you came up with afterwards is terrible.

~Wis

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I dislike when hydra heads are not in agreement and vote/unvote separately. I'm not going to do it unless I'm like 100% confident someone is scum.

Do you feel my not voting is a scumtell?

~Wis

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FoS on Profont.

"This coming from MTD" regarding the creativity is repeating what Aisa said, and sheeping Hoopla also seems to follow what others have said.

Not voting yet because wanna discuss with the dog

(and Sakura wagon is too good to leave)

~Wis

At least you have a reason to vote Profont. Your vote on Sakura is totally random.
Unvotes exist, so if your other hydra head disagrees, he can just unvote.
Why isn't your vote on Profont?
VOTE: Rottweiler

A vote on Sakura is never totally random.

~dog

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@Aisa
Do you think that if I wanted to plan ahead, I would announce so inthread?

Also, don't you think you are making generalizations about how hydras work? There are hydras who don't even make posts before discussing, and there are hydras with heads who post/vote separately and only discuss once in a while. Saying that "needing to discuss doesn't make sense for town" is assuming that all hydras work the same way and no hydras will ever want to discuss, which is wrong.

~Wis

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someone told me saying Serious Vote was getting people out of RVS

neh.

Saying

"serious vote" is just an attempt to show "look, I wanna exit RVS".
What Hoopla did, hopping on the Sakura wagon, with the very naked vote that you find "not town", is how you actually get people out of RVS. It provokes reactions.

Actions speak louder than words.

A naked vote in RVS isn't RVS to me, it is opportunistic.

Do you disagree that it could be used to provoke reactions, like it actually did?

~Wis

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So you're basically taking your "accusation" back?

Why are you not commenting on anything else? Such as profont's posts?

~Wis

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@Rottweiler: No, and in fact you didn't, you said you needed to discuss with the other head, which is more generic and allows more room for interpretation than planning ahead.

And I actually said "Needing to discuss

a vote so early in the game

doesn't make sense for town." I'm not saying that discussing in general is a thing only scum does. You're making it sound way more extreme.
My generalization doesn't hold true for you? Fine, just point it out, I'm not going to lynch you based on a single piece of evidence.

Didnt you pretty much vote us over a single piece of evidence?

Confused

Woof
~dog

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it was @Aisa

~Wis

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@ns
See my last question to Aisa. It should give you a feeling about what I'm thinking.

@Hoopla
I disagree with your dragon scumread. I feel that beast stubbornly insisting that your naked vote is a scumtell shows town. Scum know better than to insist in something they see people don't agree with. That said, I'm sceptical because he dropped it in his last post.

Also, fwiw, I wasn't really defending you. I was attacking the arguments against you, because I found them weak and possible to come from opportunistic scum. I do think you might be town for wanting to get out of RVS, but at the same time I'm pretty sure you'd do something similar as scum so I can't really say I'm townreading you.

~Wis

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@Rott:
My asia has a point post or that fact that what you said made sense? I don't know what zekrom was talking about with asia and seeing something a way someone else said it might be is not scummy. I will admit to mistakes if/when i make them and if someone makes a valid point against what I am argueing then I will acknoledge it. I have the horrible habit of tunneling people to death.

What are you responding to here?

~Wis

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@Hoopla
Fair enough. It's a mistake I often make. I just feel that he wouldn't want to bring attention to him that way, repeating an argument that doesn't gain any support. Sure, there are scum who do those stuff on purpose so I cannot say with certainty that he is town because of this - but it's the feeling I get.

What are your thoughts on Aisa and profont?

~Wis

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Hoopla and Rottweiler seem to ne leaning town atm. Now to sort the rest of you.

You planning on going under the radar in this game too?

~ Dog

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Hoopla and Rottweiler seem to ne leaning town atm. Now to sort the rest of you.

You planning on going under the radar in this game too?

~ Dog

I never said that. I'm simply waiting till I can get some decent reads, before voting people. But apparently your just supposed to jump on a random wagon until then from what I can tell.

DA seems town from what I can tell. Why are you voting Sakura?

Bit of an over reaction. Wasn't asking you to vote or anything. Just Asking if you planned in going under the radar like the jester game

(I'm MUTLEY btw)

~dog

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Cos you went under the radar last game and it was successful. We are voting Sakura from RVS. Haven't felt the need to change it as of yet. As my other head has said we are not going to be a hydra that keeps unvoting voting. So until we have come to a conclusion on our main scum target it won't change

~dog

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Sakura my face is our avatar so shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

~ Dog

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I'm probably going to ask for a replacement. This game doesn't interest me for some reason.

Why join a game in the first place. Every game is different. Its a psychological game. Its so hard to keep having to re evaluate slots so you shouldnt join games and replace out just cos its not your liking

~ dog

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inb4 DA gets accidentally hammered

~Wis

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Wisdom is part of the hydra who tends to vote me and death tunnel me when he's town, and muttley is prob. paranoid that i'm going to fool him again so yay?

more like SHOOT TAMMY!

~ dog

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Albert is probably town here.

what makes you think that?

how do you feel about Sakura and Aisa?

~Wis

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Also I don't like that Rottweiler hasn't responded to my question about their scumreads.

I kind of did, through my question.
Sakura, Aisa, Albert. We also don't feel so good about Aronis and ns.

~Wis

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You suspect me Aisa and Sakura? Why?

Mainly because you're doing nothing, and I don't buy apathy as an excuse. I didn't like your 103 either, as I feel it was forced for some towncred.

Sakura because her response to her wagon and to my pushing in particular doesn't match her town-meta and what I'd expect from her. I see no frustration, no caring, no OMGUSing her wagoners, nothing. And she is also doing nothing. She didn't even explain her Dragons scumread when she voted them.

Aisa because her attempt to push us in the beginning felt really weak, and her taking it back after she saw that she cannot do it felt scummy. Town don't back off so easily. Scum can act and fool you, after all. I don't feel any of her other posts has anything particularly town in it either.


~Wis

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YOU WONT TALK TO ME SO BITE ME

no i wont so stop being useless and vote scum

~Wis

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how about we lynch sakura

~Wis

Record keeping. This is the last post that was before the posts were deleted.

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so this is back
let's leave beast alone and lynch sakura

and stop voting me

~Wis

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Except I do think you're scum.

You still have not given a single reason why he is scum.

~Wis

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Why should we? I think I recall it was something about her meta, is that true?

yup
It's not like sakura to be so apathetic when wagoned. And she's doing nothing, she's not explaining her reads, she's discrediting mine without even reading them.

Albert is also a lynch I'd support because he's also doing absolutely nothing, but I don't know him so I'm not as happy with his lynch as I am with sakura's.

~Wis

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Im feeling better about Aisa, she is at least trying to figure out people and do things.

Unlike Sakura who continues doing nothing and jumping on wagons without explanations.

iamausername, ask yourself the same questions you just asked, but about Sakura (and Albert). Aren't they worse than Aisa?

~Wis

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You do realize that it's actually quite the opposite?

what is the opposite exactly?
where was your usual frustration? you were completely fine with your wagon and even joked around and claimed scum

~Wis

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ika why are you doing nothing?

I expect you to play like you did in newbie 1471. So far you remind me of how you played in Olympian Gods.

Fix that soon.

~Wis

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why is profont scum, and why is he a better lynch than sakura?

~Wis

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Look carefully as well, ISO him, DA, and BC and tell me how many times they mention him or quote him for the matter.

how is that a scumtell?

your other reason is meta and i dont care about it, but providing the game you were talking about and showing how it is the same would help.

Not liking how you are supporting such a lynch over Sakura.

~Wis

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Well since Wis considers me doing nothing a scumtell, im going to continue to do nothing and then when I flip town that'll stop being a scumtell so there.

Have fun~

o/

so your wincon is to change up your meta?

not to mention that with this post you acknowledge that im right, despite otherwise attempting to state that im misrepping your meta.

speaking of which, how am I doing that? Is it not true that you usually overreact and get all frustrated and are totally not cool with people wagoning you and voting you and pressuring you, very much unlike you did here?

~Wis

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wisdom: this is why im lockked onto him atm, hes delibertly being ignorant of me and is riling me up. This is why i want him to eat the rope first.

Town should engadge and answer, not be ignorant like hes doing

what town should do and what they do is very different all of the time. find better arguments.

~Wis

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Sakura in how many of those games was I in?

In none, you say?

So I'm supposed to somehow know that you have decided to play in the most anti-town matter possible (apathy is even worse than being scummy, really)? Your argument is that I am scum misrepping your meta when this meta has nothing to do with me?

6 months ago or 6 years ago means nothing to me. I am going to use my experience with you, whenever that was.

And, pray tell, why are you not including your recently finished scum game, where I correctly scumread you?

~Wis

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but the general consensus should be that town should be engadging and not ignorant.

again, what town SHOULD do is irrelevant. town unfortunately are very anti-town all the time for millions of reasons.

I do not like your tunneling. It feels like you conveniently found someone you know to tunnel on, so that you can use meta arguments and whatnot and avoid playing the game. And all that the moment I called you out on doing nothing.

Leave Profont aside and tell me who else is scum and why.

~Wis

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Because i'd think you'd at least do your research on a player you haven't played with in months

I don't do research. I don't use cold meta. If you do, you should know that about me because I have stated it many times.

And even if I did, why would I bother to look at games of you that I wasn't in, when I have at least 7 completed games with you and have a pretty good grip on your play?

Neh. This is just a poor excuse because you're losing this argument.

~Wis

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1) I was actually putting effort on a game where I was actually scum, yet you're scumreading me here for not putting effort, what do you think would happen if i brought that up before you mentioned it?

Different circumstances. There you had to fool two of the best scumhunters around, namely Nacho and ffery. Here if I'm not wrong the only really familiar people with your play are ns and I. Your play is guaranteed to be different and more lazy. You don't need the effort you needed there.

2) You scumread me every game, as I said in that game, just because you get lucky once doesn't mean you can read me.

Or maybe it does.

Those are poor reasons to avoid bringing up the game, especially since you were specifically asked to provide games with me in them.

~Wis

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ahh so this game is back open is it?

Just discussing with Wis our options.

NS please be acting more town so I don't lynch you

~ Dog

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The same could be said for your doing on sakura.

nope. Unlike you, I have other suspects.

one of my next suspects is iamusername, however before i go into deatail. I would like you to name me who else you think is scum. guts makes me think you are town so i want to look into details about who else you think is scum, also listing why will help.

Nice dodging. And I'll also note that you conveniently forgot you're scumreading Sakura.
I have said who I think is scum and I have given reasons. It's your turn.

also wisdom, have you ever heard of something called the hypo-claims (i think thats what it is)? its a fun concept to use. if you dont i can explain it

Yes, FakeGod used it in my first modded game and it helped him figure out who is a PR. So in my mind it's a PR-hunting tool for scum, and it makes me feel even worse for you for mentioning it.

~Wis

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VOTE: profont

Why?

What do you think about Sakura, Albert, Aisa, ika?

~Wis

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because hes scum

~Wis

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How about you don't deny town information instead?

~Wis

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My sole purpose is to lynch scum. I think you are scum and you're doing nothing to change my mind.

~Wis

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faaake

~Wis

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ffs

Did you really have to fucking do that wisdom

UNVOTE:
VOTE: ns

~Wis

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i cant understand how sakura can be this dumb sometimes, but i guess i have to accept she is town at this point.

This comment by ns feels really fake because I didnt really do anything and hes overreacting and posturing all at once.

I still don't like ika and Albert too.

~Wis

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Oh please, what did I do? Is it my fault she was doing nothing even remotely town? Or am I not allowed to think she is scum?

Stop using excuses and start playing, or follow Sakura and replace out

~Wis

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I'm geting tempted to relook at wisdom for his tunnle and ns reaction. Wisdom says its fake, NS says its true.

What are you talking about? I didn't say my tunnel was fake. I said Sakura's replace out was fake at first because I couldn't comprehend her being so dumb yet again, but I came to accept it.

~Wis

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Oh please, what did I do? Is it my fault she was doing nothing even remotely town? Or am I not allowed to think she is scum?

Stop using excuses and start playing, or follow Sakura and replace out

~Wis

Know what now im getting pissed off, i dont know sakeras alignment nor yours nor anyones for that matter, but if you are just gonna be a shithole like this then maybe you should replace out. You obviously dont care for a persons emotions right now and the fact that you cause her to replace out and have no regrets make me just want to lynch you out of policy. If you are going to drill someone to a point where they replace out like that, then you should be the one being replaced.

How about makeyourself useful and think of someone else who might be fucking scum or scum hunt now instead of going "replace out, you suck"

This is a fucking game and if you are going to take it to a point where you are forcing a player to replace out. You need to be slapped and take a hard face of reality. Not everyone can deal with death tunnles and the shit you are doing. I was like that (and sometimes still am) but i dont replace out. If you take it to a point where someone is forced to rplace out. The falt is yours. Now how about you shut up and stay off this thread and do a hard rest or have your partner post for a bit. You have already done enough damage as is.

She replaced out because she's dumb and she thinks I care about pissing her off. It's solely her fault. I didn't do anything out of the ordinary, I pushed my scumread.

How about makeyourself useful and think of someone else who might be fucking scum or scum hunt now instead of going "replace out, you suck"

Yeah because I didn't just now state 3 scumreads, right?

You are overreacting because this is a nice chance for scum to distract people.

~Wis

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And I didn't even push her hard, I only wanted her to stop being apathetic and start playing. I have pushed her way harder than this before.

Replacing out was totally uncalled for, and so is both your and notscience's overreaction to it. There is no way there isn't one scum in you two taking advantage of the distraction.

~Wis

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pushing anyone, regarless of alignment to replace out is always uncalled for

When they're useless and anti-town and refuse to do anything, it's better for the game if they replaced out. The thing is many times people are hesitant to replace out so that they don't give the mod a hard time, so they remain in the game and continue doing nothing. In those cases, they need encouragement to replace out.

~Wis

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there have been threads about it, and I don't really care to discuss it - all I'm saying is that if people continue doing nothing, I'm not above encouraging them to replace out.

tbh I am not convinced the replace out was town, but I feel like I will be acting very stubbornly if I keep pursuing that so I'll wait to see what the replacement does.

I feel better about you already

~Wis

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check this out

Scum-Sakura replacing out in a similar fashion

~Wis

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I was starting to convince wis that Sakura was town. As her while you'll be proven wrong this isn't my scum game, she will usually do as town and get her self lynched to throw it in wis face. However the replace out makes me think she couldn't let herself get lynched so as not hinder her scum buddies.

Right now it's null.
I think and have said to wis a lot this is scum NS. He's over doing things

~dog

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@Rott: Now you first said the ragequit was fake, then it was not fake, and now you give an example of a similar one as scum. What do you actually think is the case?

I first felt it was fake, then people started saying it's ubertown so I thought I'm just being stubborn, not wanting to accept Sakura is still so dumb (we have history of her replacing out/threatening to replace out and I thought she would have grown out of that habit by now). But what ns said about Sakura having done it as scum in that game made me go look into it and indeed, she replaced out in a similar fashion in that game. So I believe that she could easily be scum who decided to replace out (she was doing nothing anyway) so she went out in the best possible way for her slot (and team).

In short, I am back to my belief that she is scum. I'll wait to see what the replacement does.

~Wis

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Why do you think ns is scum with sakura? I don't find it likely given his mention of her scumgame. I see either scum ns/town Sakura or town ns/scum Sakura, not both.

~Wis

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the over-the-top nature of it is too silly to be scum.

i think that reaction makes more sense coming from someone wrongfully accused, rather than scum being pinned. it just seems more difficult to get indignant when someone is actually correct about your play.

you are missing the fact that it's something that Sakura has done tons of times as town before, which makes it a great thing to fake as scum.

AND she has done it as scum before. Did you even click the link I provided?

~Wis

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you make it sound like she is doing this as a tactical decision as scum, but the actual act of replacing out negates any advantage gained...

Not if she had decided to replace out anyway, it gives plenty of advantage to her slot and team.

And go actually click the link, it shows Sakura replacing out in a similar fashion as scum.

~Wis

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Because it made no sense and felt completely out of place, given I didn't really push her hard. It felt fake. And I already thought she is scum, so

~Wis

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The ones i have experienced were at least more reasonable. In those ones I had indeed tunneled on her and did little else, and she was at least things that could be considered town.

Here not only she wasn't doing anything and she admitted so herself, not only she challenged me to "bring it on", but I wasn't even tunneling on her hard (if at all). I only encouraged her to do things and even tried to discuss my reads with her, which she didn't care to do (that's in the missing posts unfortunately)

So yeah, the difference is huge.

~Wis

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: greymarble

3 days left, guys, can everyone stop being apathetic so that we actually lynch someone?

~Wis

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Aronis was obvtown

What? How?

Rottweiler decided that Sakura was going to be scum and then found reasons for her to be scum afterwards. the trouble is, i get the impression that this is a thing that Wisdom would do as town. but just so we're clear, i am 100% voting Rottweiler over Greymarble if that's what the choice is going to be at deadline.

Yeah, no. Sakura was scummy from the first moment, acting completely different from her meta and ignoring and joking with the massive wagon on her. And then she only got scummier.
And why the fuck would you vote us?
I'm noting this behavior from you for when Grey flips scum. You are accusing Aisa for bullshit and completely ignoring Sakura and other people (like Albert) who did far worse.

Sakura did plenty with which one could determine her alignment

Oh really? Like what?

~Wis

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Aronis displayed a particular kind of cluelessness that is a lot harder for scum to fake than most people seem to believe. i cannot see 113 coming from scum at all.

The only thing I see in that post is 3 null reads. I don't see any cluelessness or anything to be faked, really. Also don't forget he is a newbie.

Sakura gave reads on multiple players, pushed the Dragon Alliance wagon, then pushed your wagon, these are all solid facts that can be used to determine her alignment,

The reads Sakura gave:
- notscience is obvtown (arguably a joke) (19)
- Rottweiler feels town (weak explanation), Hoopla is town (no explanation), Aronis and DA nullscum (no explanation) (122)
- notscience is prob. town (weak excuse) (214)
- DA is scum (no explanation) (224)
- Vote on Rottweiler (no explanation) (237)

That's barely giving reads or pushing wagons. It feels more like she needed to give something that resemble reads once in a while so that she's not suspected, and she failed terribly at it.

in addition to all the more abstract behavioural tells that her level of posting undoubtedly contains.

No clue what you mean here, but all her behavioral tells point to her being scum. Including how she reacted to her wagon, how fake was her replace out and her annoyance with my "tunnel" on her, how she interacted with notscience, etc.

~Wis

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Aisa maybe didnt make readlists or state too many reads, but she asked people questions and tried to figure them out. Where did Sakura show any intent at all to figure out anyone's alignment?

~Wis

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won't lynch: greymarble, abr

~Wis

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I don't care about what it is preventing, it makes me facepalm how you can townread the two most scummy people in the game.

~Wis

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I don't deny that I've done scummy things. I even believe I deserve to be today's lynch; my play was not good at all.

Not liking this.

~Wis

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Scumteam is Shockwave, Profont, & Notscience.
MTD is the backup in case one of them somehow flips town.
This game was surprisingly easy.

start explaining

~Wis

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: ns

~Wis

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You should all be on NS

His buddying of me and Wis to start with and trying to coax us roung is his scum play. He wants us on his side.

His posts seem over forced to be non chalant ie the whole lets make someone L-1 and that can be my town list.

His you can't lynch me.

Get him he is scum

~ Dog

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Mostly mad I didn't help lynch them before they made Sakura leave.

yeah ok. never removing my vote from ns.

~Wis

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Is there any question which one of us wrote each post if you actually read the posts?

I don't know either of you and I have no clue which one of you posts each time.

~Wis

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Good, so make yourself useful and selfvote.

~Wis

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I don't care if you follow me. We're lynching ns.

~Wis

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Abr and hoopla are possible. Sakura's slot isn't, Sakura was not scum with ns.

~Wis

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you'll go away with rope, don't you worry

~Wis

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Nah, what's funny is how you think acting cool will somehow save you

~Wis

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He continues arguing I made sakura leave, which is bullshit. It was fake then and it is fake now. He just has nothing else to say so he postures with this.

~Wis

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Really? How? By telling her she needs to play instead of lurking?You've seen tons of actual tunnels I've had on her and other people, and you know full well my play this game was nothing like that. So you're just making a huge deal out of it as a distraction.

~Wis

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Not the replace, ika. notscience's overreaction to it. We talked about it when it happened, remember?
~Wis

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a legit case instead of the "their being lazy"

That's not my case. My case is ns knows my play did not warrant a replace out from sakura, yet he keeps spamming I made her leave.

425 was obviously at ns, not you, btw.

~Wis

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i still conside ns rage to be more geninuine then faked

yeah no. It was really hard to buy it when he made the comment when the replace happened but still going on about it now? Fuck this, he just wants to avoid posting so he postures about "how I made sakura leave".

~Wis

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ns go and tell me where the fuck I ran her up to the point replacing out was justified. Quote.

~Wis

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And? This is reason to replace out?

In Monks and Masons I actually argued with her because what she was doing was completely stupid and I could not see how it is town, and THEN she wanted to replace out. It was still stupid, but at least justifiable.
In Medical Mafia I left practically caught scum-eagle and tunneled on her, arguing that she slipped and listening noone that said otherwise. She replaced out, it was (somewhat) justifiable.

Here how the fuck was it justifiable? Have you stopped to think that maybe Sakura is scum and her frustration was fake or that, even if she was town, she was dumb to think that I wanted to make her leave and it's mostly (if not solely) her fault that left, not mine?

~Wis

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I mean, look at what you quoted.

"Your sole purpose is this game is to piss me off into replacing out".

You fucking know me, do you really think I care about pissing people off or making them replace out? Read my posts, does it appear that THIS is what my intention was?

~Wis

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Why are you talking to me like I'm town yet asking people to vote me

Gimme a bit to simmer on this, I'll get back to you.

because Ive started to think you're town and you're being stupid.

~Wis

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ika, yes. Why the fuck is that question important?

~Wis

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: grey

~Wis

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so basically you would lynch ns just to prove grey is scum? What guarantees to you they're not both town? Why would you want me to make a "promise" that I'll be lynching Grey if ns is town? Sounds like lining up lynches.

~Wis

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Yes.

Basically, I've been thinking that
- either Sakura was scum that faked her frustration and ns just saw her replacing out and instantly said "omg wisdom made sakura replace out again" without thinking of the possibility Sakura faked it,
- or Sakura was town, stupidly replaced out, and ns used it as an excuse and a distraction. I know I would as scum.

But maybe the latter is a little silly, as ns is literally doing nothing else and that's very dangerous as scum, especially when I'm not the only one pushing him anymore.
And from the discussion I get the feeling that he was just lazy to comprehend the replacement normally and just concluded that I made her replace out without thinking.

~Wis

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That's saying that theyre not scum together, not that there's no way they're both town.

~Wis

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You have not explained why Profont and Shockwave is scum yet. And your explanation for why ns is was a carbon copy of mine.

~Wis

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Nothing scummy in all that. At least he asks questions. Other people in this game don't even do that.

~Wis

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Your AtE is cute but it doesn't touch me

~Wis

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So you don't see anything scummy in asking pointless questions without rhyme or reason and then promising answers later and only when a townie screams at you?

Nope, nothing scummy in that. If anything, it shows that they don't care to be townread. Scum would be more careful and actually wouldn't ignore questions.

~Wis

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So your theory is scum would never do anything scummy

Because they're scum

Nope, scum do scummy things. Ignoring questions isn't. It can be anti-town, like apathy can, but it's not scummy.

But nice strawman there.

~Wis

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How is it even a question whether Sakura replaced out because she was annoyed at Rottweiler. It's not like she faked replacing out; she LEFT THE GAME.
Nobody replaces out because they're scum and afraid of getting lynched. People understand that that is how the game works. People DO replace out from being very annoyed at another person.

Except I already provided an example where Sakura replaced out as scum and faked frustration.

It's therefore proven that she can and will do that even when she replaces out to help her slot and team.

So, you're wrong. And scum.

~Wis

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In a time of resolve, Sakura instructed Rottweiler to "Bring it on."

Nope.
You are not taking into account my history with Sakura. I have made her replace out once, threaten to replace out once, and make her have a frustrating game twice. She would NOT tell me to "bring it on" because she does NOT want me to bring it on. It makes her game experience bad and she knows it. Therefore - either she got cured from becoming frustrated with me and had no problem to challenge me, or she was putting an act as scum. The fact that she later replaced out with visible frustration while I did practically nothing (especially compared to said previous times) to cause that, combined with telling me to bring it on, shows the contradiction.

~Wis

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I am up for lynching MTD or Profont

I still see no reasons, Mr. Paragon.

~Wis

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It's proven that she can also get annoyed at people and replace out as scum.
If somebody does something 5 times as town and once as scum, you have not discovered a scumtell, you have discovered a person with a thin skin.

Except it was never argued that her replacing out was a scumtell. What it was argued was that it was completely unwarranted and her frustration was fake. And since she was ultrascummy already, yeah.

Your incredibly low quality of arguments calls your alignment back into question too.

Of course it does!

~Wis

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Simple other explanation:

-Busy in RL (fact)
-Game is boring her (probably fact, since she was posting nothing and was apathetic)
-So, she decides to replace out.

While doing so, she fakes frustation to benefit her slot and team.

~Wis

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If she were replacing out for any reason other than being annoyed with you, she can say "sorry all, I must leave due to RL" and say HA I didn't let that dickbag rottweiler get in my head, a victory her "bring it on" post clearly indicates was important to her.

How would that help her slot gain towncred?

But let's entertain your stupid idea that she replaced out due to being busy and disinterested, then decided to fake some anger to make herself feel less lame and potentially help out her replacement.
Which I must repeat is an "I respect you less because you think this is reasonable" level of idea.

Since there is solid proof that she has done it before, there is nothing stupid about this.

And even that makes just as much sense with Saktown as Sakscum.

Saktown would fake frustration? What?

I've known you for all of one day and you've already managed to be highly irritatingly dense.
I can see why Sakura wasn't interested in putting up with your nonsense.

Except I was much nicer before she replaced out, so she had absolutely no reason to replace out.

~Wis

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Pride wouldn't help her slot. What she did would, if she did it right.

The chances of you getting nightkilled are zero. Scum are not crazy to kill the most scummy slot in the game.

~Wis

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ns, you were the one that mentioned sakura had done it before as scum, how don't you see the similarity?

~Wis

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Come on. Aisa, really?

you're a boring scum

~Wis

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You seem to think that scum would be crazy to kill us because "lol u so scummy."

Not because you think we'll flip scum.

In fact I see no conviction at all that we'll flip scum in your posts. So let me ask you, Wisdom, are you willing to self vote tomorrow if you're wrong today? Willing to bet your survival on your "read"?

I'm absolutely certain you'll flip scum. I was just pointing out how ridiculous it was to argue that you're getting NK'd. Even if you were somehow town, you would be the last person that scum would NK.

~Wis

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Wow, there are no words for this town. MTD is the most obvtown here and you're letting scum talk you into his lynch with "he's not passionate about finding scum" reasoning. YEAH BECAUSE EVERYONE ELSE IS IN THIS GAME OF APATHY

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Greymarble: 3/10. Call this a slight townread but I liked Sakura's genuineness in one of her posts, and the lack of self-awareness.

There was absolutely no genuineness in Sakura's posts.

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I agree with this but does it make ika scum? He's doing something blatantly scummy, though I know his scum meta is pretty darn bad (Olympian Gods). Hmm.

I have no idea why Wisdom is defending us. We've both been pretty disconnected from this game, and it shows

Olympian gods is not a good example. He replaced in after tons of pages, in a heavily suspected scumslot, there was not much he could do. Here it's a quiet game, which means he didn't need much effort to get in. My gut keep fellng me he's town, but I could see him being scum. I greatly dislike his wanting to lynch town as a way to figure out who is scum. That's what scum do to line up lunches. And he's doing it again now with MTD.

I don't care that you have been distant (I actually do, but it doesn't affect my read), I think you're quite obviously town from early on.

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. It day fucking one.

So what? I want to lynch scum regardless of what day it is.

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Note how he uses "you look scummy" instead of "You're scum for..." - finding things that are scummy is the mindset that you want to lynch someone you can justify. vs. finding reasons why someone is scum.

You are forcing yourself to find something scummy about MTD. There is nothing scummy about this. It could easily mean uncertainty from MTD's side. There is no necessity for town to show their confidence with "you are scum" statements all the time.

Note that MTD asked a question to ABR - "why hydras". ABR doesn't respond. Does MTD care about his question?

This too is bad. ABR is answering nothing to nobody. It's completely normal to become apathetic.

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As for MTD, i'm not the one lining it up grayice started it and the others followed suit.

You. Are. Voting. Town. YOU. It does not fucking matter who started it. Stop using this excuse.

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Dragon Alliance (6) - MTD, Hoopla,

Sakura Hana

, notscience,

Albert B. Rampage

, iamausername

Two scum and one off-wagon.

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Rottweiler - notscience,

Albert R. Rampage

, Shockwave Rider,

Sakura Hana

Same.

Aisa - iamausername, beastcharizard, Hoopla, Shockwave Rider, Profont, GreyMarble

And the third scum should either be on here or is Aisa herself. I lean the latter because of GreyMarble avoiding voting her until it was inevitable - he tried to wagon ns instead, and now tries to wagon MTD. Also, Albert didn't hammer Aisa; I'd expect him to given his play.

Grey/Aisa/Albert.

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Everyone else should be town. My only worries are Hoopla and ika, but my gut keeps telling me to just believe they are town despite their weirdness.

[Rottweiler]

Unofficial VC:

L-4] GreyMarble - Aisa, Rottweiler, MTD
[L-6] Rottweiler - Albert R. Rampage
[L-3] Aisa - iamausername, Hoopla, Shockwave Rider
[L-4] MTD - GreyMarble, beastcharizard, Profont, ika

22 HOURS LEFT

We should be moving on Grey ASAP. If that doesn't happen, I'll compromise to Aisa. We're not fucking lynching MTD.

However we should really really lynch Greymarble over Aisa now, the reason being that after they inevitably kill me and town drowns in apathy again, they'll be untouchable. So seriously guys. 22 hours left. Move your votes soon.

~Wis (and all unsigned posts above was me)

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Are you guys for fucking real?

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You're not reading my posts anyway, so

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Good, then lynch town.

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Clearly
Or because obvscum Grey got him wagoned to save both Aisa and himself
Or because he has done absolutely nothing scummy yet he's getting flashwagoned
Clearly that doesn't mean he's lynchfodder

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Besides I will clearly need allies tomorrow, when I will 200% not be alive

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I don't care. Your suspicions suck anyway.

I have solved the game for you all and found you the scumteam, now you can proceed to lynch town and then return to your apathy tomorrow.

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Then at least leave your vote on Aisa. MTD is not scum, Aisa probably is.

As for why I'll die, lol. I'm the only one doing anything in this game. Everyone else is proddodging. Even if I am completely wrong in my scumreads (which I'm not), scum will still kill me because they benefit from the inactivity that I don't allow to exist.
I died N1 in my last 5 town games, there's a reason for that.

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yeah, no

it just dilutes any actual points you or others have in the game.

What does this prove? ika and ns only posted much when they were exchanging with me. You and Grey too. You cannot deny I'm the life of this game, that's a fact. Also a fact is that in games I'm in, activity dies when I die. And then town loses.

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goes to show how much everyone else did

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Greymarble is not happening.

make it fucking happen

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Then dont call me stubborn. YOU refuse to lynch the most dangerous scum.

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The reason I think Aisa is scum assumes Grey is scum. If I agreed with you that Grey is town, then Aisa is just like MTD - wagoned for doing nothing scummy and I'd not vote her in a million years.

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Again, you are the one who refuses to vote the obvscum, so don't blame me for any mislynch.

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congratulations on being retarded

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If any of you actually care about the game tomorrow, read 524 and fucking listen to me.

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Translation: After MTD flips town like he knows he will, those are his next targets. With a partner thrown among the names for WIFOM, ofc.

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Yer so it will be good to examine what mtd did to others, but mafia doesn't know the traitor so bussing doesnt really exist here because as far as mafia were concerned he was. Anyway we didnt think mtd was maf and in a way we were right. He was playing not as part of the mafia team so.......

Anyway I said all day NS is scum. Wis wasn't so sure but I am sure. Trust me I have played with NS enough to know he is scum.

When he was buddying us a little to start with I knew it and said to wis.
he's overforced his nonchalant town play with things like run up to L-1 and you are my town list. He's over doing it.
The reaction to Sakura seemed forced too like he was trying to come across angry and care as a townie and a person.

Anyway I'm sure he's scum cos I know him too well. Wis dominated yesterday today will be my turn. We will hit scum.

VOTE: notscience

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ns/Shockwave.

or ns/Aisa, but this ns vote from Aisa makes me think this is less likely.

~Wis

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I'm alive so I can tunnel on Grey and Grey for me to tunnel on.

or so the scum thought.

~Wis

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ika kill makes notscience scum unlikely. why's he gonna kill the one guy who was actively defending him?

Post 527 does really fuck Aisa in the butt really seems like a message MTD was trying to get across

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ika kill makes notscience scum unlikely. why's he gonna kill the one guy who was actively defending him?

NS would...... Cos he is arrogant enough as scum to do it and do it himself as I said to wisdom during the night phase. Lets track him and see where he goes and voila where did NS go last night. He was tracked to Ika.

Boom lynch the shit outta him guys.

Yes NS was tracked to Ika last night.

NS today
Aisa tomorrow
Perfect win

Don't make it so obvious next time NS.... Especially when I have a power role to confirm my suspicions on you

~dog

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Why the FUCK didn't you claim that in your first post?

To see what everyone and especially ns and Aisa would post before knowing about it.

Also because it would be cool if we could get him lynched without having to claim, but I guess after my D1 play that was not likely to happen.


I think Aisa's vote makes her a less likely partner for ns. Shockwave's ISO on the other hand makes me think he is the buddy - he scumread ns for a weak reason early on, only to completely forget about him later. Imo, that's scumbuddyish behavior.

~Wis

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You shouldn't. You should lynch Shockwave tomorrow.

~Wis

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Everyone gets a VT PM at first, so we can't know that.

~Wis

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Aisa is clear (went nowhere)

VOTE: shockwave

~Wis

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So the mafia took a maximum of 2 powers and that maximum would have to include day chat.

Aisa is clear for now but incase of ninja not completely.

Thanks for the save body guard. However sadly this will be our last day you'd feel.

Happy with the shockwave vote

~ Dog

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I don't think scum would have ns do the kill on N1 if they had a JOAT.
I don't think we have a RB or a cop (and we don't have an IC or a vig), so I generally don't think scum took any powers at all.

We don't really need a massclaim. Let's just lynch Shockwave, and if there is still a day tomorrow, you can lynch Hoopla. If there actually is a RB or a cop, they will have gotten more results by then (RB is basically a cop too with one scum left).

~Wis

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A cop is worthless at this stage. As if there is one. That means the last scum has a power and that means that he will show up as not goon so the gooncop is pointless

~ Dog

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I personally wouldn't trust any claim from here without proof. Scum know how many powers they picked and can use that to their advantage.

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~dog

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Lets say that the scum team took 0 powers. They know that that means that all PRs are outed (body guard and tracker)

They claim goon cop knowing that they aren't getting counter claimed.

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~dog

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No, as you are judging based on how you would think as scum. You don't know how MTD thinks.

~Wis

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I don't like Hoopla's insistence on that point. I get the feeling she is just trying to appear town. Definitely lynch her if Shockwave flips town.

~Wis

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^wat

~Wis

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Aisa has siteflaked, just replace her

~Wis

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not rly, I still prefer Shockwave but w/e
Just lynch Shockwave and Hoopla afterwards

~Wis

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yeah yeah, town are never lazy, especially in the safety of 2/3 scum lynched

~Wis

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ns shoots ika, we already covered that

~Wis

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I wasn't aware you had access to their QT

~Wis

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lol @ albert jumping around

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Town is just completely lazy at this point because they think this has been more or less won now. Albert proves that completely. It's the same for IAAU.

Once again, the last scum is Shockwave. If not, then Hoopla.

~Wis

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lynch who i told you tomorrow

~Wis