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In post 11, Astinus wrote:You can vote for yourself?
Of course. I saw a bandwagon forming, and what better way is there to get in on all the action than voting for the poor sucker being bandwagoned?-
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In post 15, farside22 wrote:In post 13, Amy Farrah Fowler wrote:In post 11, Astinus wrote:You can vote for yourself?
Of course. I saw a bandwagon forming, and what better way is there to get in on all the action than voting for the poor sucker being bandwagoned?
Funny, but I typically see people question the wagon. Is it normal for people to vote for you?
No, not really, but personally I see no point in questioning RVS votes too much.-
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In post 21, SnugglyDuckling wrote:What is the point of voting for oneself? Avoiding voting someone else?
Because oneself is evil and surely out to murder everyone.
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Why did you decide to hop off the Amy bandwagon for the sake of another RVS vote, this time on yourself?-
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In post 27, Skelda wrote:Amy, I think "because he can" is his reasoning, but it also kind of strikes me as a bit arbitrary.
It's not really the reasoning that I'm confused about/picking at. It's more about the purpose (or lack thereof) of changing an RVS vote to another RVS vote. 'Because I can' can't be classified as reasoning, ever. To me it looks a bit like edging off the bandwagon in case something serious happens with it. The post with the Wiki info that was right above his probably got him to think twice about bandwagoning. If he wanted to change votes then he was welcome to get the game out of RVS.-
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Would you like to inform us of what that something is?
Or if it's gut feeling then are there any specific posts that provoked it?-
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Beli, please tone down the sarcasm just a tad as it's not necessary and does nothing to aid the conversation.
I do agree, however, that two games' worth of evidence should not be enough to warrant a lynch on someone. But I can see that the intention behind providing the examples wasn't bad. Still, no cause for lynching either the accused or accuser just for that.
People voting for farside: What are the 'bad case' vs the 'scummy' aspects of farside's play thus far?-
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Also, I feel like I canUnvoteAstinus. There's no need to overemphasize an RVS error. Perhaps I'm being a little more lenient due to his newness. While this is admittedly bad, I see something like that as a legitimate newbie mistake, and definitely not a serious error by any means.
However I'd like to pay attention to Belisarius's actions so far.
I noticed he uses a fair bit of sarcasm when criticizing a case that he disagrees with. While not a scumtell on its own, the fact that he uses it to discredit others' arguments makes it scummy. Don't interpret this as 'sarcasm is scummy', because that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that (mainly) your most recent post gives off a vibe I don't like, and could certainly have sounded more townish.
As Skelda mentioned, farside is certainly a rather easy wagon right now, and while that doesn't mean everyone on it is automatically scum, it can certainly be indicative of it.
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If I were to pick out my two strongest townreads at this point (yes, it is exceptionally early in the game, but just from the little data we have so far), they would be acryon and Skelda. Both have posted fairly thorough posts which have a good amount of analysis and opinion in there, both of which have contained some original (i.e. not re-worded off someone else) analysis.-
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I can see that farside isn't simply pushing her replacement tell (I'll call it that for now). She's also involved in other elements of the game, commenting and asking question, so townpoints to her in that respect, as I've noticed that sometimes scum looking to lynch town tend to spend all their time focusing on their lynch target of choice.
As for her replacement tell, whatever my personal thoughts on it may be, it looks like she genuinely believes in it. Scum using it ONLY to lynch someone would've probably dropped the case much earlier without bothering to do things like bringing up evidence. She is also analyzing Mr Blonde's reactions, adding to the fact that it's genuine.
So I'd say I can classify farside as Null/Town.-
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In post 83, Mr_Blonde wrote:
Do you have any player(s) that you're leaning scum on currently besides Beli?
Chaos, for reasons that I can see other people have mentioned before, in addition to the fact that, when ISO'ing him, I noticed that his only serious post was the hop onto the wagon. No other opinions, no questioning, just that. It adds to the scumminess of the wagon jump.-
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In post 92, Belisarius wrote:In post 88, farside22 wrote:Let me ask you, because this is specific and rare.
Rare? This game requiredfourreplacements pregame. In a mini. Wow, that's a lot of scum for a mini. Better lynch all of the pregame replacements. Let's start with you. If you flip town, I'll volunteer to go next.
I don't know whether you're an idiot or just scum trying to push something that's a 'good reason for a lynch'.
That's not what farside is saying. Farside said that typically requesting to be replaced while being active elsewhere on the site is a tell indicative of a scum slot. I haven't had enough direct experience with cases like that to push for either side of the argument myself, but I get the theory.
Why are you turning this into argumentum ad absurdum by changing the argument to involve all replacements, requested or not? Stop inflating something to a ridiculous level and then criticizing the outcome, because that's dumb and won't give you any towncred whatsoever.-
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In post 111, SnugglyDuckling wrote:In post 53, Mr_Blonde wrote:Generally players that hand out reads for seemingly arbitrary reasons get the stink eye from me.
Fair enough but I rarely find reasons to suspect people other than arbitrary ones so prepare to give me a lot of stink eyes.
Townpoints for the above post.
While I partially agree with acryon and hope you find some legitimate reasons too, this post jumps out to me as towny, if only because I can't really see scum, especially newbie scum, replying in that way.-
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In post 117, TobyLoby wrote:Chaos' post,
In post 63, chaoslord54 wrote:Also, your case against Mr.Blonde has no real evidence against it and I do not understand why a wagon is building on him so early because of a post where he said "let's dance."
I do find scummy, but in the past I've found it to be a stronger associative tell than a flat out. A scum coming in to defend their buddy sort of way. Two votes on a buddy may look more dire than it is. I can especially see this with a newer player. I suppose it could be a scum Chaos busing a scum farside and overexagerrating a wagon but I find it less likely.
I like this post.
I think the tone of the post reinforces the defensive aspect. It's a slight example of more reductio ad absurdum, whereby chaos is suggesting that the phrase 'let's dance' was the cause of a 'wagon'. Some specific wording in the post like 'no real evidence' for example, also give off a scummy vibe.-
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In post 136, Mr_Blonde wrote:In post 86, Amy Farrah Fowler wrote:
I can see that farside isn't simply pushing her replacement tell (I'll call it that for now). She's also involved in other elements of the game, commenting and asking question, so townpoints to her in that respect, as I've noticed that sometimes scum looking to lynch town tend to spend all their time focusing on their lynch target of choice.
As for her replacement tell, whatever my personal thoughts on it may be, it looks like she genuinely believes in it. Scum using it ONLY to lynch someone would've probably dropped the case much earlier without bothering to do things like bringing up evidence.She is also analyzing Mr Blonde's reactions, adding to the fact that it's genuine.
So I'd say I can classify farside as Null/Town.
Where have you seen this analysis?
In post 41 she mentions that she was going to see how the replacement reacts, and she mentioned that so far you were pretty nonplussed about it.-
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In post 153, Astinus wrote:And who's scum-reading me, and for what reason?
Not a fan of this post.
On a different note, instead of bickering over some GD issue and asking scummy questions, how do you feel about actually participating? Y'know, post your opinions about others, ask questions, take a look at posts that other people have found scummy/townish and throw in your opinion. You've seen the other people playing do this, it's your turn now.-
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In post 143, RoyalApe wrote:A.F.F. is probably my best town read so far.
The first few posts that I really noticed from her seemed like she was just trying to appear to be participating as I saw her throwing questions out and I felt she was trying to mediate more than participate in the discussion itself.
Now that I see her reacting to some of the responses with her opinions, I'm feeling better about her.
Out of curiosity, in which posts was I trying to appear to participate, and how did they differ from the participation level of others around that time?-
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In post 164, Skelda wrote:In post 154, Amy Farrah Fowler wrote:In post 153, Astinus wrote:And who's scum-reading me, and for what reason?
Not a fan of this post.
On a different note, instead of bickering over some GD issue and asking scummy questions, how do you feel about actually participating? Y'know, post your opinions about others, ask questions, take a look at posts that other people have found scummy/townish and throw in your opinion. You've seen the other people playing do this, it's your turn now.
I'm not sure who WOULD be a fan of that post.
Which of course begs the question of if scum would do something so blatantly scummy. He is new, and based on what he has given us so far, he just seems like an easy target to me. There is, of course, the off chance that he actually is scum, I don't think his play would be much different. But I don't think we have quite enough to make that decision yet. And most people seem to agree with me and have him as null.I think having him as anything else is scummy.
It is interesting how quickly the Chaos wagon is taking off. What is Chaos guilty of that Beli isn't other than not being around?
I'm not sure about that bolded part. Sometimes us not having quite enough to make a decision about her, especially at a point like this where we have enough to form a fairly stable read on anyone else, is scummy in itself. I don't like the fact that she posts something that's not especially relevant to this game (or asks a pretty awkward question) and then hides and keeps this one-irrelevant-post-a-day style up. It's the reason that most people have her as null, and every single extra post that adds to her crappost total is an extra notch on her scumminess scale (for me). So I have her as Null/Leaning scum right now. She can redeem herself by posting something smart, but right now she's getting scummier with every post.
On a note unrelated to my previous paragraph, I'm inclined to disagree with calling that postblatantlyscummy. I can see noobtown/derptown posting something like that, but dismissing her as an easy target due to newness is a little much considering her lack of contribution towards the game.-
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In post 171, FakedBlogger wrote:Dry-fit, SnugglyDuckling and Royal Ape would be my scumpicks, based on discussions they picked out for themselves and how they responded to them. And I'm leaning null-scum on Amy and Skelda.
That's pretty interesting, considering most people don't have those as scumpicks. However you could have elaborated a bit more instead of going with something generic and wishy-washy. Please do provide examples.
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A no lynch will most likely hurt town in the long run, and we're approx. halfway through the day right now. At the moment votes on various people are going something like 4, 2, 1, 1, 1, so we have many small/ish wagons. I'm not a fan of any of the non-voters (not including Royal), because right now votes would help move the game along, and talking without voting is a pretty good way to avoid too much attention. For example if any of the people who were called out for something but don't have any votes on them had provided a vote in any of their posts, they'd probably get scumread by some people.-
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In post 196, RoyalApe wrote:In post 192, Amy Farrah Fowler wrote:A no lynch will most likely hurt town in the long run, and we're approx. halfway through the day right now. At the moment votes on various people are going something like 4, 2, 1, 1, 1, so we have many small/ish wagons. I'm not a fan of any of the non-voters (not including Royal), because right now votes would help move the game along, and talking without voting is a pretty good way to avoid too much attention. For example if any of the people who were called out for something but don't have any votes on them had provided a vote in any of their posts, they'd probably get scumread by some people.
Did you count the votes yourself or are you just very in tune with Belisaurius? I just find it interesting that your count is accurate when the mod's vote count that was posted this morning is off by way of the Belisaurius vote.
Because I bothered to count. Sue me.-
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In post 215, Dry-fit wrote:Amy Farrah Fowler's content looks good but I suspect she's an experienced player who's more than capable of duping us. Going to withhold judgement for now.
Ironically enough I'm a new account with not THAT much in the way of experience.
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In post 215, Dry-fit wrote:In post 170, Amy Farrah Fowler wrote:I don't like the fact that she posts something that's not especially relevant to this game (or asks a pretty awkward question) and then hides and keeps this one-irrelevant-post-a-day style up. It's the reason that most people have her as null, and every single extra post that adds to her crappost total is an extra notch on her scumminess scale (for me). So I have her as Null/Leaning scum right now. She can redeem herself by posting something smart, but right now she's getting scummier with every post.
Actually I'm pretty confident Astinus is town. She's taking a pretty carefree approach to this game.
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In post 267, acryon wrote:I think my vote is better off on someone else for pressure than on him at this point.
Don't you think that, bearing in mind the deadline, it's a little late to be pressure voting and expecting some sort of effect right now?-
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In post 280, curiouskarmadog wrote:
didnt like his first vote...
other than that has not bothered me. feel like he is asking good questions.
Do you feel that good questions make up for a lack of reads? I also notice that at times when the reply to one of Toby's questions is worth following up on someone else takes over. Not a fan of that, questions, unlike reads, are a harmless way to stay involved in the game.-
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In post 297, Astinus wrote:In post 250, TobyLoby wrote:I'll get more in-depth with things later tonight. I think Astinus' behavior is more of a personality tell than an alignment tell.
I'd take that as a good point, right? I can hide my alignment beneath my personality and nobody will e able to tell who I am?
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The Skelda lynch shouldn't have happened, and I don't know why it did.
I feel like right now if one of Beli/CKD/Chaos is scum then so are the other two.
Chaos was the largest BW in the game at one point (I think, correct me if I'm wrong). CKD came in and tried his hardest to change to a different bandwagon in order to avoid a scumbuddy getting lynched. He was successful.
Pretty early on in the game Chaos blatantly sheeped one of Beli's votes within two posts. Chaos is fairly new, so it's something that's not too unexpected.
In-thread they don't really pay too much attention to one another.
A Beli lynch should've happened yesterday. We were close. Let's make it happen now.
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In post 568, chaoslord54 wrote:So I'm thinking my strongest scumvibe is Amy. My reasoning is that she pushed for a Beli wagon yesterday, but started to get off of it and lean towards me but then she disappeared for quite some time and then comes back, post evidence that seems to be against me but then votes Beli. It comes off a little fishy for me.
Vote: Amy Farrah Fowler
At which point did I attempt to get off it? My vote was there the entire time, pertinent to my highest scumread. While I was less active later on in the day due to a heavier workload IRL, I don't believe I received any prods yet, and therefore my activity would generally be regarded as sufficient.
I posted evidence against CKD, Beli and you, and voted for Beli. This was because out of those, if one had to be town then it'd be CKD, you're scummy but have a 10% chance of being a worse-than-usual village idiot, leaving Beli. So pay attention.
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I feel like if I had to correlate flips and reads then if:
CKD = scum then Beli = scum (defence of Beli, deflected wagon)
Beli = scum then Chaos = scum (protectiveness, made up an imaginary wagon earlier in the game), a little more so than CKD (as mentioned above)
Chaos = scum then Beli = Scum (defence, as mentioned above)-
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In post 562, Belisarius wrote:Nope! I don't grok the case on chaos at all. Chaos is just lynchbait.
Do you feel that dismissing someone as lynchbait is always a good option? A village idiot or just someone who happens to be having a bad game can be dismissed by town for beingthatbad and can easily lounge through the remainder of the game.-
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In post 554, TobyLoby wrote:In post 543, Amy Farrah Fowler wrote:The Skelda lynch shouldn't have happened, and I don't know why it did.
I feel like right now if one of Beli/CKD/Chaos is scum then so are the other two.
Chaos was the largest BW in the game at one point (I think, correct me if I'm wrong). CKD came in and tried his hardest to change to a different bandwagon in order to avoid a scumbuddy getting lynched. He was successful.
Pretty early on in the game Chaos blatantly sheeped one of Beli's votes within two posts. Chaos is fairly new, so it's something that's not too unexpected.
In-thread they don't really pay too much attention to one another.
A Beli lynch should've happened yesterday. We were close. Let's make it happen now.
Vote: Belisarius
You just gave a bunch of reasoning of why Chaos and CKD are prob scum but not so much Beli. Why aren't you voting either of them over Beli?
Where did you disappear off to last day btw.
The Beli read is 10% gut, 10% associative tell based on the assumption that one of CKD and Chaos are scum, and 80% because of the fact that content-wise a lot of his posts have been wailing about a lack of reads or some crap like that, along with play that I'd categorise as 'generally scummy IMO'.
My absence was due to bad IRL time management on my part. I apologise, my bad and all that crap.-
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In post 718, curiouskarmadog wrote:In post 717, Amy Farrah Fowler wrote: The game's at a point where the main activity is waiting for wagons to get big.
so you are a reactive player then?
are you following the game closely?
What do you mean by a 'reactive player'?
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In post 719, farside22 wrote:In post 717, Amy Farrah Fowler wrote:Sorry. Like Beli, I have nothing to add at this point. The game's at a point where the main activity is waiting for wagons to get big.
I'll try to find something when I have a little more time.
Who else are you scum reading besides bel? What do you think of the discussion going on of the theory.
Thanks CKD. Mostly I just feel numb currently.
Also I thought more about what your theory is about me and I realized I think I've done that more often then not when I was scum.
Did you meta me?
I'm making the assumption that Beli is scum, and based on my theory Chaos and CKD are also scum.
If Beli winds up being town then I'll need to look into my other reads as a whole and see who's a blip on my scum radar.
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In post 730, farside22 wrote:In post 729, Amy Farrah Fowler wrote:In post 719, farside22 wrote:In post 717, Amy Farrah Fowler wrote:Sorry. Like Beli, I have nothing to add at this point. The game's at a point where the main activity is waiting for wagons to get big.
I'll try to find something when I have a little more time.
Who else are you scum reading besides bel? What do you think of the discussion going on of the theory.
Thanks CKD. Mostly I just feel numb currently.
Also I thought more about what your theory is about me and I realized I think I've done that more often then not when I was scum.
Did you meta me?
I'm making the assumption that Beli is scum, and based on my theory Chaos and CKD are also scum.
If Beli winds up being town then I'll need to look into my other reads as a whole and see who's a blip on my scum radar.
Which theory in particular do you mean?
There was a bel/acryon discussion going on.
I don't think acryon or CKD is scum together.
Can you explain why bel/chaos makes sense? I read or trollish and the other lurking.
Also the defending of players is something I see from scum/scum players.
I haven't had a proper scumread on acryon at p-much any point during the game, so I don't know how much of an input I could make in that respect. But I don't see them as scum together.
I don't think acryon/CKD are scum together either.
I've previously stated why Bel/Chaos make sense. Chaos has made a few noob-scum mistakes and linked himself to Beli through those.
I don't base much of a read around lurking aside from special cases where the lurking is truly scummy. And trollish would be fine if we got enough content to make up for the trolling.
And if I see something as defending, as opposed to simple rationalising then I agree with the scum/scum thing.-
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In post 735, curiouskarmadog wrote:In post 728, Amy Farrah Fowler wrote:In post 718, curiouskarmadog wrote:In post 717, Amy Farrah Fowler wrote: The game's at a point where the main activity is waiting for wagons to get big.
so you are a reactive player then?
are you following the game closely?
What do you mean by a 'reactive player'?
And... I guess I'm following the game closely. I assume everyone else is too...
so if the game is at that point...AND you have nothing to add. do you have anything to ask? do you feel like your playstyle is to stir the pot and see what happens or sit back and let others do the work. What type of play is the most pro-town in your view?
how many games of mafia/werewolf have you ever played?
I usually ask something if I feel it's worth asking. I don't like to ask for the sake of it. Ditto with stirring the pot. If I find a worthwhile and productive opportunity then I'll go for it. If it's something that's not open-ended and will simply piss people off then I tend not to. I feel like calling the other option sitting back and letting others do the work isn't the best way of going about that. Mafia is generally a game involving teamwork. If someone else finds something and wishes to contribute and gives us more to work with then brilliant. And later on if I find something based on recent events then I'll contribute. And just like that town can progress. So as long as someone isn't ONLY sitting back and occasionally chipping in with fluff and only fluff, I think it's fair to say that.-
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In post 745, Riddleton wrote:Have you played mafia before,Amy? You don't strike me as a newbie player.
As stated in my previous post, I haven't played much. I decided to just jump into this and see how things go. I like to think I have a pretty decent mindset for this sort of thing, so maybe that helped.-
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In post 750, farside22 wrote:Amy: thoughts on ape here.
Hmm. Late start but contributed a lot as he came in, a good portion of that being original observations, so townpoints for that. He appeared to be picking out townreads instead of merely talking, so that's nice. A few statements that provoked some discussion related to them, but I don't think I have any more to contribute to those than what has already been said. There was one particular post and his defences against it that I wasn't a fan of. Recently there's been less activity from him but what there has been wasn't fluff for the most part so I'm fine with that. His most recent post is interesting. No read on it either way.-
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In post 799, Belisarius wrote:Look at CKD WK'ing the fuck out of me. When I'm gone, lynch him next.
You know, if you push reads like that in the same way that the rest of us are, and had done so throughout the game, then you wouldn't be in this position right now. If you're town then you're kinda playing against your wincon here.
And just wondering, why are you so certain you'll be gone? You pulled the same stuff yesterday and yet town mislynched Skelda instead.-
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Correct.
I feel no need to change my vote right now. Part of me wants Beli policy-lynched, because I can see he doesn't give a fuck about the game, and would do us a favour by getting out if he has no intention of helping town (and making two sentence posts without reasoning doesn't count). The policy part of the lynch wasn't there when I first voted Beli, but I'm done waiting for a rational post of any kind.-
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In post 824, TobyLoby wrote:Amy. Do you think that comment of Beli seems townie, or townier than Beli-usual to you?
Um... neither. It's just a post made by Beli. I'm pointing out that he may have done his case some favours and made it townie if he had gone about it a better way. But put this way I'd say it hasn't got much behind it.-
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Personal principle - I always self hammer. Just putting that out there.
CDB is scum. Chaos (whom he replaced) showed some real associative tells with Belisarius. CDB is scum. Chaos dropped noobscum tells. CDB is scum. Chaos openly delayed posting. CDB is scum.
Vote: CDB.
Kudos to both Beli and one of CDB's posts for instantly making everyone vote for me. I'm not even going to bother right now because clearly I'm getting lynched. Yes I'm giving up, yes it's bad, but I completely lose it when people vote me when I'm town. WIFOM alert, but as scum I tend to actually play to my wincon in these situations and try to get the wagon off me.-
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In post 902, acryon wrote:In post 901, farside22 wrote:In post 900, acryon wrote:In post 899, farside22 wrote:I still think scum bel would vote his scum buddy for town credit.
What did you think of bird's case?
But I don't think Beli's overall play this game wouldn't follow that.
Bird's case on who, specifically?
Amy.
It's pretty good. Specifically, I really don't like Amy's complete disappearance at the end of D1. She seemed to get in at the beginning, rack up some town-cred, and back out. The fact that Beli mentioned the rule of 3 on Amy's 543 is very interesting, especially reading back over it now. It's also interesting that he mentioned the rule of three, and then rather than voting the one person who is definitely scum in his scenario (Amy), he went for the 50/50 (in his spot) of CKD/Chaos. The fact that he didn't push for Amy in that situation is certainly suspicious.
I'd be interested in hearing her thoughts today.
complete disappearance- lmao, in the nicest way possible fuck off with the complete disappearance. I didn't get prodded D1, so complete disappearance my ass.
'She seemed to get in at the beginning, rack up some town-cred, and back out.'- How the fuck did I back out? I contributed the whole way through. If I had a read I posted it. If I didn't then I waited for new posts. I EXPLAINED ALL OF THIS WAY EARLIER.-
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In post 899, farside22 wrote:In regards to Amy, mostly she tunneled on beli day 1 and 2 and that's about all I can recall from her.
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Okay, right, let's try something rational.
First of all, let's take a look at the 'evidence' against me based off Belisarius's posts. Beli clearly knew he was going down at some point soon. That was certain. And he decided to bring people down with him. And I was the person he primarily wanted to do that to. So yes, I'm just pointing out that at some point Beli gave up on being mafia via survival and decided to drag people down with him. That was obvious, so don't play dumb.
Next, let's take a look at CDB's initial case against me.
Amy - started badly with a self-vote and has not been impressive since. All the more concerning that everyone was so keen to say how town she looked - the phrase "universal townread" has been bandied about, dangerously - and so allow her to slip into not actually doing very much for the town. More than one moment where it looks like she already knows people's alignments, next to no contribution when it mattered in the back half of day 1, voting Belisarius Today but barely looking as if she cares about it and happy to let conversation be dominated by a competing Chaos wagon rather than refocus onto the vote that she supposedly regrets not being around to push through Yesterday. To say nothing of the ridiculous hoops she's jumped through today to base her Beli vote on an elaborate triple scumread before we even have any flips. Yes, this is the condensed version of this read. We will be revisiting this in a big way on Day 3
The self vote was RVS and from the context one can see that. I don't like that bit, and I don't see why town would mention that. People's keenness to call me town wasn't something I can really affect, although I'm happy that some people read me correctly. I don't like the term 'universal townread' either, and I'm not claiming to be oh-so-town. I don't personally believe that I 'slipped' into not doing much. I like to get the ball rolling at RVS, and I think that was successful. Although maybe my posting volume at RVS was a mistake, as people made the assumption that that was my normal posting volume. This right now is more like what I'd say is my posting volume. I didn't have much to do at the start of the game, but I'm a student, therefore at some point I got a bigger workload and my activity levels lapsed. I didn't see any moment when '#I already knew people's alignments', although if you want to post some quotes then I'd be happy to respond. I wouldn't say I didn't care about my Belisarius vote. I cared as much as on D1, I reckon. I feel like the addition of 'didn't care' is just something you pulled out of a hat and stuck it on for the sake of it. I wanted to push the vote, but I hope you'll agree that there wasn't much more I could say at that point, and constantly repeating myself would get obnoxious. I was fine with the 'conversation being dominated' by a Chaos wagon. Great. People are talking about ANOTHER ONE OF MY SCUMREADS. I mean, surely I'll want to stop people from that.
And last but not least, I'm happy with my 'elaborate' triple scumread. It works, and I connected the dots that way, and we have one scum down.
You're scum #2, I know that much.
CKD has been slowly reducing in scumminess, although I'm not happy with that. I think I'm less inclined to scumread people who contribute a lot of non-fluff. But I'm still aware of the associative tell (or at least that's kind of how I interpreted it) and with Beli flipping scum, I'm going to point out that that's still out there.
If anyone has any more queries then I'm happy to answer them. Maybe this'll motivate me to be a bit more active and not 'skim through'.
(And I won't self-hammer, I agree with the principle of that being dumb in most circumstances. Rage post = moron post)-
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