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In post 136, davesaz wrote:
This makes it sound like you want to assume alchemist is town and find evidence to match. I don't see any town motivation for doing that. In fact it seems rather scummy to want to find a way to town read someone.
If I'd like him to be town causing me to conf. bias that would mean I wouldn't be unsure of him. This is in itself a fallacy.-
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Anenin,
He's sheeped dino and it seems like the general oppinion at that point was against amy. He could of voted in his first catch-up however he waited so that he could see how it would go. When he saw Dino go for it he joined, as scum this is a great position to set yourself up early game.[Removed ongoing games reference ~insanity]
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Why didn't you vote straight away, why didn't you also factor in her being a noob?Last edited by insanity018 on Sun Nov 23, 2014 11:18 am, edited 1 time in total.-
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My main point is anen managed to slip onto a wagon and claimed some soft-meta on her with an ongoing game. That meta was wrong and I really don't want this to happen. Anyway, I don't have a lot to go off and yes my scum find is slightly non-serious. We need to however get discussion going as it's stalled around page 6. The scum will of cause lurk in this as it benefits them. So yeah, my vote is basicaly summed up as "Anen seems oportunistic". It's day 1 and we need discussion, get it going.-
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That should of been OMGUS.In post 177, Alchemist21 wrote:In post 133, wgeurts wrote:Ok droog and mathdino are town,
I'd like alchemist to do be so as well however I'm unsure on him. Also, alchemist screw you for making any negative comments on you look like WIFOM .
Anyway, I'll make a proper reads list and explanation in a sec.
How did I make them look like WIFOM?
If I were a vengeful and got lynched, I would target Wgeurts.
@Mathdino, I saw what you posted on his meta. It seems interesting to note, but I wouldn't base a case on it. I'm more concerned with how he attacked Ane for sheeping Dino on Amy, yet Droog openly admitted to sheeping someone on the wagon, and Wgeurts is calling him town. The double standard there doesn't sit well with me.-
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The scum found was not serious, it's commonly said.In post 212, Mathdino wrote:In post 206, Amy Farrah Fowler wrote:Mathdino- While I disagree with his opinions on some roleclaims, he gets townpoints for replying to comments and counteropinions on what he said. And I can see the town ideology behind his posts talking about his reads on various people, and I can't find any gaping holes in his reasoning. On the other hand, I don't like him dragging the theory discussion on and on, and while we did still get game-related posts from him, it seems like an easy way to beef up one's ISO and natter on about something that looks like participation.
Also, regarding post 152, if you're not reading based on the phrase then what are you doing. That's how your read started off. Are you sure you're not just reading into the other behaviour because you picked up on the phrase?
I picked up on it, so I checked his ISOs just to see what would happen and it turned out that I was correct in that wgeurtscum is far more confident while wgeurtown is more wishy-washy. Best part is Open 575 just ended so I can talk about that freely. I'd never scumread someone just for a phrase, but that phrase might send me on a mini-investigation.-
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In post 216, davesaz wrote:In post 116, Mathdino wrote:Addendum: Your lines of questioning suck, no offence. Your thoughts on setup spec and Flubber are enough to stop me from scumreading you, but yeah, those questions along with the paragraph on setup spec that mostly parrots popular opinion is kinda useless.
My "oh the horror" line was in response to this.
I dont see my posting style as useless. I tend to not be aggressive as either alignment. Get over it.
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In post 233, Alchemist21 wrote:
I assumed wgeurts would read back and find the answer to this, but since he hasn't replied I'll repeat it.
124 - Droog openly sheeps Anem's case on Amy.
133 - Wgeurts calls Droog Town.
151 - Wgeurts votes Ane for sheeping Mathdino's case on Amy.
Now my question to wgeurts: Why do you think it's scummy for Ane to sheep Mathdino but not for Droog to sheep Ane? Also, it doesn't look at all like Ane sheeped Mathdino's case in the first place, so I don't know how you even came to that conclusion.
Anenenin had convieniently done it in his catch-up, it was either dripping with conf-bias or it was a fully intentional scum way to join the wagon. Both aren't good, droog however I was already town reading. My vote on Anen wasn't because he sheeped, it was more how he did it and a lot of gut.-
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In post 241, davesaz wrote:In post 194, wgeurts wrote:Ah ok thanks.
Mathdino who do you think are scum?
Also thoughts on the lurkers?
I feel like we should pressure them to get discussion.
Any special reason you didn't act on this idea of pressuring people? I find it to be very passive, and the one liners since then are even worse.
VOTE: wgeurts
I've been a little busy, however I'm rereading the game this time again (as i did with anen) and seeing what things catch my eye this time. The lurkers have also now mostly been replaced.-
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Hahaha thanks dino for 249. He unvotes amy saying contradicting or conflicting oppinions don't make her scum then goes on to vote me for seemingly just that as that's the only case I can see.
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Dammit alchemist, why have you changed again without reasons?-
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In post 289, Venrob wrote:OK so i caught back up... Still getting some decent town reads, not really seeing anything scummy enough for me to vote. In re to the above post by math, honestly I can see myself making a post like that as town so I wouldn't be too quick to call that a scum post. It seems more like frustration than scum tbh.
Ankamius, I don't think we've played a game together... Maybe you're thinking of Venmar? I took a quick scroll through my wiki and we haven't been in any games together that I can see. Regardless, welcome to the game!
If anything I'm gonna be watching siv and flubber a bit more due to the wgeurts wagon.. I agree, it seemed a bit too fast. Dave still strikes me as town though, as does math.
Anyway, I gotta go. I'll probably be back online in an hour or 2, though.
Please just post a list of reads and just vote the top scum read. If people are ties use random.org, just do something!
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In post 291, Alchemist21 wrote:Is it just me, or has wgeurts' English improved considerably since Open 574?
Mmm, I am taking English lessons as I need them for some cources.-
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In post 371, droog wrote:something about mathdino is screaming alarm bells ni my head
and i have no idea what
Not only one there.-
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In post 375, Mathdino wrote:In post 5, insanity018 wrote:Alchemist21 - 4
davesaz - 6
Hayate YagamiAnkamius - 8
Siveure DtTrikyp - 13
Venrob - 15
Aneninen - 1
Romitelli - 1
Amy Farrah Fowler - 3
farside22 - 3
Mathdino - 5
wgeurts - 5
Flubbernugget - 2
gangsta_duck41AdrienC - 2
droog - 2
Groups that don't have more than one scum:
Alchemist, Siveure, davesaz: Finding it unlikely Siv would've let Alch go for 4. Alch's behaviour is mostly scummy if Siveure flips town. Setup spec tells me it's unlikely there's more than one scum here simply because Siveure didn't get his pick, along with a few other things.
Aneninen, Romitelli:High chance for Anen to be scum if Siv's town. It'd certainly fit the whole "scum chooses one high, one low, and one middle" draft pattern. Until we get a flip, no comment on this pair.
Amy, farside:Amy more likely than farside, but I'm less confident in my Amy read than I was due to aforementioned wagon patterns.
Mathdino, wgeurts:wgeurts is prob town by this point.
Flubbernugget, Adrien, droog: Hmm. Originally I'd have gone with Flubber but people's input makes me less sure. Also voting patterns make me think Flubber and Siveure aren't a thing. So I'd go with Adrien.
Ankamius: Not enough to tell. Every one of Hayate's posts were null IMO.
Very much appreciate the low number of groups to go through. This, people, is why you don't pick 9001 or 42. NKs in the top section will make it easier. As of now, here are my 2 callings of the more-likely-to-be-scum-of-the-groups:
If Siv's scum: Siveure, Romitelli, Amy, wgeurts, Adrien, Ankamius
If Siv's town: Alchemist, Aneninen, Amy, wgeurts, Flubbernugget, Ankamius
Anyone got any input, I'm welcome to it.
Fully manufactured BS, why?
Because you say I'm prob town and then go on to say I'm likely scum whatever siv flips. You also seem to be buddying me through this and I don't like it.
VOTE: Mathdino
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In post 393, Mathdino wrote:
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Yeah okay the doc's pretty much dead.
I see no doc claim.-
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Well, I guess this makes him town now.In post 413, Venrob wrote:farside22 wrote:Ven: Why did you vote flubber first over Siv?Spoiler: quote
I was told to vote my top scum read, and if there are ties use random.org. Since it was a 2-way tie i simply flipped a coin- and it landed tails, so I voted flubber. Then siv moved up on my scumreads list and I switched my vote to him. My flubber vote was in my next post after the quoted post.-
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In post 421, droog wrote:also
wont it look odd
if some of the highest-ranked drafters
are conspicuously not killed
Yeah, however they could abuse that themselves.-
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Ok we need to get conversation rolling, I suggest we all post out top 3 scum reads with reasons. All that don't we'll pressure.
This will make lurkers stop lurking, make people not investing time invest time and it'll force scum to fabricate more than 1 read. All in all it'll create a lot of information and we mat catch a scum who slips up in the fanrication of his/her top 3 scum reads.-
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My top three scum reads are:
Siv: His lurking style doesn't go down well with me, the worst is it seems as if he is doing it intentionally. I also think that this wagon may be actually hitting scum as if you look it seems to have been given a lot more resistance than mine and amy's. I'm going to meta cov as flubbers made some points on it and that could lead to siv or flubber looking scum.
Romitelli: Stop lurking, lurking would be a great strategy for scum in the case that siv is town. Scum could just sit back and relax and let the town hang themselves. They also get an added bonus of making few associative tells which benefits scum late game, we really need discussion to stop scum playing like this. I'm going to meta him as well to see how he plays as scum/town.
TheAdrien: Same reasons as Romi, meta will also happen on him.
There may be a few meta cases popping up from me later. I don't think flubber is scum as his play wouldn't make sense if it were. I need to relook the Alchemist case so it'd be great if someone could some it up.-
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In post 442, Mathdino wrote:Hey. Hey wgeurts.
Guess who my top 3 scumreads are.
Will give ya something to do. Otherwise, I like this conversation just fine xD
All seriousness, this is prob town wgeurts. Town found.
I'm guessing Alchemist is one, post the reads and the reasons, we need the ball to get rolling.-
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In post 444, Siveure DtTrikyp wrote:Uh.
My wagon hasn't hit more resistance than wgeurts' or amy's. Just mine has stuck around way longer.
My scumreads are like:
Alchemist: He is telegraphing his play in a way that makes it completely ineffectusl.
Aneninen: This is mostly him posting stupid and redundant questions that don't really sit well with me.
Romitelli: Yup. For lurking.
Quote Anen's "Stupid Questions", if possible do some quick meta to see if he normally does this as town/scum. Meta alchemist and explain more in depth please.
I'm doing meta on flubber/romi/Adrien/siv-
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In post 453, wgeurts wrote:wgeurts
Flubbernugget
droog
davesaz
Alchemist21
Ankamius
Amy Farrah Fowler
Siveure DtTrikyp
Aneninen
Romitelli
TheAdrienC
Mathdino
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Those that aren't bolded post your top 3 scum reads and provide reasons.-
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M'kay-
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In post 602, droog wrote:wisdom?
A player that would spam pages with catch-ups in open 574-
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