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yep you got me, im that dodgy new bloke-
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In post 66, eyestott wrote:In post 24, dodgy56 wrote:this game will be interesting for me. ive played mafia on forums elsewhere but this will be my first game here. so forgive me if i dont really understand your meta.
Hey dodgy, you should probably get an avatar.
Cool, cool cool cool-
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In post 68, Wickedestjr wrote:In post 62, beastcharizard wrote:I figured that was a joke post and didn't think anything of it. Everything before the game start post is not game relevant so I don't see why you are trying to use it as such. That is like saying someone is scum because they posted in the sign-up thread at a specific time of the day in a specific spot on the player list. The game hasn't even started and you are deciding who is scum in what seems to be a serious way.
I get impatient when trying to scum hunt early on. When a game first starts, my initial strategy is always either A. say something weird to provoke serious discussion or B. vote based on my initial gut feelings. I chose B this time. I never said nor implied that I had strong evidence for you being scum - I was just voting based on my initial gut feeling. YOU asked ME for my reasoning, so I gave you my page 2 logic, never having advertised better.
You acknowledge that it's too early for me to strongly suspect somebody yet you vote me for not having strong enough reasons. Why can't I start trying now? Several other players have started developing reads but I am the only one you have issue with, and I just happen to be the one voting you.
I'm liking my vote more now.
i see where youre coming from but run me through why its scummy? being a hypocrite doesnt make someone scum. unfortunately in my experience townies do it too (often not on purpose)-
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In post 73, eyestott wrote:Disregard 1st quote.
By the way, dodgy:
at the top of each post it says ISO.
If you click that, you can read through all of that users posts.
hard to say much about how im finding it so far. ill let you know after this game
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In post 78, Wickedestjr wrote:In post 72, dodgy56 wrote:i see where youre coming from but run me through why its scummy? being a hypocrite doesnt make someone scum. unfortunately in my experience townies do it too (often not on purpose)
Ehh... I don't think this is really a hypocrisy vote, but I can see why you interpret it as such. There are two reasons why I said "I'm liking my vote more now";
1. His opposition to "trying hard" seems like an anti-scumhunting attitude which I dislike. I think "trying hard" is how games get out of RVS and an essential part of the early game.
2. His specific issue with my vote for him is weird because I'm one of several people "trying hard". There are several others, yet I'm the one that beast is voting right now and I can't help but wonder if his vote is self-defense rather than the reasoning he gave. His vote for me doesn't seem like a genuine town reaction.
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In post 84, Heartless wrote:eyestott's another good vote
why?
if you are going to say someone is worth a vote you need to convince us of it-
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for what its worth i have played with eyestott over at another site playdip. i think only 1 game though. However, i am kinda curious abotu his early interaction with me. it was helpful but it also kinda came across as buddying. and i can see why eyestott as scum might think he could get me onside by buddying me early. killapenwin may also have a point in his above post regarding eyestott's vote on him. definitely someone i will keep a closer eye on.-
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In post 101, Wickedestjr wrote:
dodgy56 wrote:ok im going to get the ball started here. i havent played in this set up before. what are peoples thoughts on the mechanics of this game? or how are you planning on approaching this game?
Just treat it like a normal game until we have more information to work with. We know the setup is somewhat balanced, but there is no way of knowing what the specific setup is unless people claim, and we want to keep our power roles a mystery for as long as possible. Once roles are revealed, then there might be benefit to speculation, but I don't think 'now' is the time.
oh of course, i wasnt in anyway suggesting we should reveal. im just trying to work out how you all approach the game. to see whether its similar or different to what im used to.-
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In post 105, vettrock wrote: I'm not a good one for informationless RVS cases, but I think I can contribute more as we move along.
yet you voted me on no information?-
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@eyestott- your early interaction with me mainly, it was helpful but came across as buddying fmpov. and i think killapenwin's arguments against you (in paticular point 2) are quite valid.
(plus i noticed i was one of only 2 people not voting at this point so felt like i should place a vote on the person who i felt was scummiest) my vote isnt necessarily a great one but with the limited content in thread atm, its my best read.-
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In post 110, vettrock wrote:In post 106, dodgy56 wrote:In post 105, vettrock wrote: I'm not a good one for informationless RVS cases, but I think I can contribute more as we move along.
yet you voted me on no information?
My vote on you was an RVS vote. Its only purpose is to get the game moving. As RVS votes move around information is created.
perhaps i misunderstood you when you said you werent a good one for informationless rvs cases? i read that as you saying youre not a fan of RVS voting. or did you mean something else?-
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In post 113, eyestott wrote:In post 111, dodgy56 wrote:@eyestott- your early interaction with me mainly, it was helpful but came across as buddying fmpov. and i think killapenwin's arguments against you (in paticular point 2) are quite valid.
(plus i noticed i was one of only 2 people not voting at this point so felt like i should place a vote on the person who i felt was scummiest) my vote isnt necessarily a great one but with the limited content in thread atm, its my best read.
Why is my being nice scummy? Why couldn't it have come from town-me?
it was more just a feel of it. and im not discounting it coming from town you-
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In post 116, davesaz wrote:
I often respond to a non-RVS "naked vote", i.e. a vote with little/no surrounding explanation, by immediately calling it out as naked and voting for that player.
I'll give you a pass this time because you got some reasons posted before I had a chance to act.
I mention it here because there are several players in the game who have seen me do it and may question why I didn't do it this time.
Question re: buddying. Do you view different types of helpful posts differently?
ill cop that. i had stated some concerns earlier about eyestott but i probably should have stated them when i made my vote.
in regard ti your question. i judge posts based on context and content. so its a case by case situation.
I think with this if it had been anyone else i would probably feel a bit more comfortable with it as a welcome post. i think because i know eyestott from playdip, it changed my view of it to a certain extent.-
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In post 116, davesaz wrote:I mention it here because there are several players in the game who have seen me do it and may question why I didn't do it this time.
On another note, this is not town thinking... this is the thinking of someone who interested in looking town. town's job is to find scum and make themselves understood. they shouldnt be doing things because they care about there image. Scum want to look like town so they certainly have an interest in their image and looking like town.
This post makes me suspicious of you.-
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i dont trust you on that at all. why do you think he is scum?
Dave is a player i would consider voting right now but i want to know what your case against him is.-
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quick question for everyone? when someone is lynched/nked? what information is revealed. At Playdip i have played in games where allignment and role are revealed, games where only their allignment was revealed and even a couple of games where no information about the player killed was revealed. I just wanted to clarify what the case here?-
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In post 125, eyestott wrote:In post 122, dodgy56 wrote:
i dont trust you on that at all. why do you think he is scum?
Dave is a player i would consider voting right now but i want to know what your case against him is.
dodgy, mastin is just as (If not more) experienced at mafia as the likes of sjg and Crunkus. She cant fully explain, because it would be against the rules (I think because of the "no talking about ongoing games" rule).
being experienced doesnt mean i should blindly trust him. so far i dont have any idea why she thinks dave is scum.. let alone a full explanation-
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In post 131, davesaz wrote:In post 124, vettrock wrote:
I would agree with this. Those overly concerned with maintaining a town look, and their own meta is moderately scummy.
I have observed that being concerned with looking town isn't very alignment indicative, but reading that concern as scummy is somewhat indicative of scum (i.e. scum use it for a "case" more often than town do).
perhaps you may be right. all that means is that townies need to stop being concerned with their appearance. but i still dont really buy this.-
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In post 128, eyestott wrote:In post 127, eyestott wrote:In post 126, dodgy56 wrote:In post 125, eyestott wrote:In post 122, dodgy56 wrote:
i dont trust you on that at all. why do you think he is scum?
Dave is a player i would consider voting right now but i want to know what your case against him is.
dodgy, mastin is just as (If not more) experienced at mafia as the likes of sjg and Crunkus. She cant fully explain, because it would be against the rules (I think because of the "no talking about ongoing games" rule).
being experienced doesnt mean i should blindly trust him. so far i dont have any idea why she thinks dave is scum.. let alone a full explanation
I'm just saying that technically she can't give any reasons yet.
When she does give her reasons though, they better make damn good sense.
this seems like a bit of a backdown? it seems like you dont want to be seen defending mastin. you go from being certain as to her motive to trying to downplay that certainty. its concerning-
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In post 153, copper223 wrote:@Wicked
Wickedestjr wrote:
copper wrote:@Eyestott
why do you think dodge is leaning scum on you for being mister nice guy?
Question feels weak considering dodge voted eyestott. Maybe I'm misinterpreting, but what are you hoping to gain through this inquiry?
I want both perspectives on their direct meta.
would it help if i linked you to a game i played with eyestott recently at playdip? i was town and he was scum-
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In post 154, mastin2 wrote:
...In post 122, dodgy56 wrote:
i dont trust you on that at all. why do you think he is scum?In post 121, mastin2 wrote:Dave is scum. You can trust me on that.
Dave is a player i would consider voting right now but i want to know what your case against him is.
"I don't trust you. Why is he scum? I might vote him, though."
...Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut, to answer, basically everything. davesaz is throwing just about every newbscum tell in the book.
the fact im considering voting him is completely independent of your read on him.
you say dave is throwing every newbscum tell in the book. do you think he is a newb scum? can someone tell me how experienced dave is?-
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In post 165, dodgy56 wrote:In post 154, mastin2 wrote:
...In post 122, dodgy56 wrote:
i dont trust you on that at all. why do you think he is scum?In post 121, mastin2 wrote:Dave is scum. You can trust me on that.
Dave is a player i would consider voting right now but i want to know what your case against him is.
"I don't trust you. Why is he scum? I might vote him, though."
...Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut, to answer, basically everything. davesaz is throwing just about every newbscum tell in the book.
the fact im considering voting him is completely independent of your read on him.
you say dave is throwing every newbscum tell in the book. do you think he is a newb scum? can someone tell me how experienced dave is?
to clarify, im using your read on dave to try and get a read on you, not to see how it affects my read on dave. if that makes sense?-
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In post 175, davesaz wrote:In post 148, dodgy56 wrote:In post 131, davesaz wrote:In post 124, vettrock wrote:
I would agree with this. Those overly concerned with maintaining a town look, and their own meta is moderately scummy.
I have observed that being concerned with looking town isn't very alignment indicative, but reading that concern as scummy is somewhat indicative of scum (i.e. scum use it for a "case" more often than town do).
perhaps you may be right. all that means is that townies need to stop being concerned with their appearance. but i still dont really buy this.
From this reply I'm not sure you understood what I meant.
Being lynched is bad for both scum and town. A desire to look town, and concern over being seen as scummy, is common to both alignments. It is human nature to want to survive, even in a game such as this one. As town, I don't use "being concerned over appearance" as a scumtell. It is a horrible predictor for alignment. There are other things to look for which are much more effective.
no i understood perfectly what you meant. im saying townies shouldnt be worried about it. if they do the right thing and are open/honest and try to engage sincerely then they dont need to try and look town. Scum however dont have the option of engaging sincerely and as they are the ones trying to blend in, they have an interest in appearing town.
TL;DR townies should stop worrying about their image and worry about scum hunting.-
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In post 178, davesaz wrote:In post 176, dodgy56 wrote:
no i understood perfectly what you meant. im saying townies shouldnt be worried about it. if they do the right thing and are open/honest and try to engage sincerely then they dont need to try and look town. Scum however dont have the option of engaging sincerely and as they are the ones trying to blend in, they have an interest in appearing town.
TL;DR townies should stop worrying about their image and worry about scum hunting.
And if the path to being open / honestisto be conscious of image?
why would that be the path? the idea of looking at your own image is essentially a filter to prevent yourself from looking bad/to make yourself look better. It comes across as forced.-
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In post 185, eyestott wrote:In post 149, dodgy56 wrote:
this seems like a bit of a backdown? it seems like you dont want to be seen defending mastin. you go from being certain as to her motive to trying to downplay that certainty. its concerning
I'm not backing down f m anything. If mastin gives good reasons for the post, good. But if her reasons suck, it's where I'll vote.
I wasn't "certain" of her motive.
your early posts seem to suggest that you are certain (whether that was what you meant or not i cant say, im just telling you how it read fmpov). They dont have any sort of quantifying measure in the statements. Can you appreciate why im reading it the way i am?-
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In post 194, eyestott wrote:
- After Penwins post, ive changed my read on him, but do you not like the mini wagon because you think Penwin is town, or because you think the reasons are bad?
can you point out what exactly in his post changed your mind? it could easily be argued you are just backing away from it because of the flak you copped. im giving you the benefit of the doubt until i hear what your found persuasive
also now that you have unvoted killa who do you think is acting scummiest?-
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In post 200, copper223 wrote:UNVOTE:
This kind of dumb play and "rage" combined with an early claim is very often town. The dog piling on the slot was also too quick for my liking.
Regarding beast, it's strange for scum to start the game by shifting your vote like he did, it draws attention, is easily attackable and can piss multiple people off just based on natural OMGUS, but it's true that after it he didn't write anything meaningful.
im kinda thinking along these lines as well atm. not so much about claim but paticularly about how it built up. the build up of both the dave and killa lynches is kinda concerning. i also think there have been some sincere moments and i actually think his engagement with me on the issue of looking at your own image was sincere after his first post, which made him look worse. im still not convinced he isnt scum, but i have more doubt in my mind than i did before.
@copper, are there any votes in the dog piling that you like less than others? Do you think the bw was being pushed by town or scum? if scum which votes do you think are the scummiest?-
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In post 204, copper223 wrote:@Dodgy
I like teen's vote the least, the speed with which it picked up hints at a town push to start off with.
i can understand that. its interesting that he was also involved in the Killapenwin bandwagon and jumped onto Dave once killa started losing momentum and once dave was gaining momentum-
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In post 201, mastin2 wrote:
At this point, even if he's scum he's still town because dammit, he's just so damn town in his recent posting. (Mind you, I've always read him as scum when he's town so me having a townread is making me paranoid that this time he's actually scum. But screw paranoia, I'm sticking to that townread.)In post 166, dodgy56 wrote:i think wicked is likely town.
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In post 207, eyestott wrote:In post 145, killapenwin wrote:In post 107, eyestott wrote:In post 88, killapenwin wrote:In post 67, eyestott wrote:In post 54, killapenwin wrote:I see we have all just descended into throwing out random votes with no explanation, I was just about to vote on dodgy and with the same reasoning but that damn vettrock beat me to it. Either that or he is playing Jedi mind tricks on me, which would be rather devious of him. I am watching you little green dwarf.
So youre criticizing people for giving a lack of explanation in RVS, then say you were just about to vote dodgy for the same reasoning someone else gave?
VOTE: Killapenwin.
1: @eyestott: You mean me pointing out what everyone is doing and then saying I not going to because someone already posted the thing I was going to say to join in with the random voting?
2: You seem pretty quick to throw a vote on me without even questioning me first, I see that as more scummy than town.
3:I am not sure if people even know what a haiku is and at this stage of the game I don't think anyone is going to have a strong read on Tean's alignment after 2 posts. So no, I do not know if Tean is scum or not but similarly to Eyestott I wouldn't look favourably on Tean's were to continue his vote on me simply for his lack of reasoning.
4: Clearly any attempt at banter I have tried to make has failed miserably so I will just be serious from now on.
1: I didnt understand this. Why should what other people are doing in RVS prevent you from doing things?
2: We were barely out of RVS at that time. My vote was only slightly serious, but having seen your response, I'm happy with it. Why is it scummy, and better yet, if you think I'm scummy, why arent you voting me? I actually find you scummy for just calling me scummy, but doing nothing. Its passive aggressive behaviour, which is pretty scummy.
3: Hilariously
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Both of your scumreads (which you havent voted) are on people who have voted you. Additionally, youre passing off Tean's vote as one with a "lack of reasoning". And again with passive aggressiveness, but this time its masking a threat.
4: Where have you made "banter"? Or are you trying to pass off scummy behavior as banter?
"Nah guys, when i said that, i was just joking!"
1. As I said he posted what I was going to throw out as joke vote as that seemed to be what the rest of you were doing at that stage.
2. Your vote on me looked like it was intended to start a bandwagon (it put me in the lead) and you never quizzed me you just decided to put me ahead of everyone else and as it had little reasoning I thought it was scummy.
3. I only get 1 vote and would like to use it wisely so I will put it on who I feel deserves to be voted for. 'Revenge voting' can also look scummy, too.
I would rather put my vote out there with a reason as to why I am voting that way than to not.
When you don't give a reason you deny that person and others the chance to challenge your vote, if we allow this to happen it gives scum a much higher chance of hiding behind poor reasoned votes. It is better for town to have as much info as possible to work on.
4. I tried a little bit with 'jedi mind tricks' post but like I say those posts were poorly received so I stopped.
Point 2 and Point 3 really look like theyre coming from a town mindset.
I can see why he though my vote was bad, as it put him in the lead, and had little reasoning even though I dont think he realised it was a predominantly RVS vote.
I also liked his point where he says that he wants to use it wisely and that just OMGUSing is not what he wanted to do.
ok that answer makes me feel a bit better about your unvote-
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In post 211, eyestott wrote:Oh yeah, now that its at L-3 again, Ill VOTE: davesaz, until he stops being my top scumread.
did you read anything at all that copper or i wrote on dave and why he is looking less scummy? this vote isnt helping my perception of you. What do you make of how the bandwagons on killa and dave have developed and/or collapsed?
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In post 216, davesaz wrote:
@thread: Is it ok for one player to get pounded for not having strong reads, but another to be proud ofmaybehaving a 2nd scum read?
I don't think so.
Where are the questions?
And I really don't care about reputation.
i think thats a fair question. so far i dont see how anyone can have astrong readon anyone either way. If anyone has a strong town or scum read, please explain why. FMPOV having weak reads at this point is fine. id rather people have weak reads that are logical and that i can follow than supposed strong reads that havent been explained. if you have a read i think you should be sharing it. or giving us a good reason why you arent. if you are town you have nothing to hide other than your role?-
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so you are absent from the thread for 48 hours and when you come back this is your only contribution? a meaningless piece of drivel?
like seriously?
if you are town lift you game because at the moment you arent helping anyone. all you are doing is making it easier for scum to lurk.-
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In post 226, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:In post 224, dodgy56 wrote:
so you are absent from the thread for 48 hours and when you come back this is your only contribution? a meaningless piece of drivel?
like seriously?
if you are town lift you game because at the moment you arent helping anyone. all you are doing is making it easier for scum to lurk.
How do you know I'm not scum lurking?
VOTE: Dodgy
what? how is what i said worth a vote?
i dont know if you are scum... im beginning to feel like you are... but all i was saying is if you are town you need to lift your game?
Moreover i find it odd that as soon as i call you out you respond straight away, meaning you are paying attention to the thread. Which begs the question why arent you responding to anything actually going on in thread?
Perhaps you are scum lurking?-
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In post 227, davesaz wrote:
Heartless is a hydra of AntiHero and TellTaleHeart, so I assume she meant the two of them.
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In post 293, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 94, dodgy56 wrote:ok im going to get the ball started here. i havent played in this set up before. what are peoples thoughts on the mechanics of this game? or how are you planning on approaching this game?
Wow, this is scummy as fuck.
Translation - 'Hey, can you all tell me how you're planning on approaching this game and then myself and my scum-team can adjust our game plan accordingly.'
this is my first game on this site, im trying to understand how you guys play here. please explain to me how thats allignment indicative?-
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In post 295, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:121 -
In post 122, dodgy56 wrote:
Dave is a player i would consider voting right now but i want to know what your case against him is.
This looks like 'Give me a reason to vote Dave.' Don't like it.
In post 147, dodgy56 wrote:there's definiteyl something weird going on in the mastin-eyestott-dave interaction.
Yeah, elaborate on this?
i already answered the first part. my read on dave was independent of what mastin's read was. i was trying to use mastin's read on dave to get a read on mastin.
the 2nd part.
mastin was certain dave was scum- eyestott defended that read in a way which was weird, and seemed too certain of the reasoning when no reasons had been included. Eyestott then backed down and tried to down play it. Then we also have eyestott's vote which only came once dave had dropped down from L-2- even though eyestott was scumreading him before that.
My read on dave has been lessened by the way the wagon built up on dave
VOTE: eyestott seems the scummiest to me atm- all this plus include his buddying of me earlier, his role in the killapenwin bandwagon and the dave bandwagon.-
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In post 309, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Hi Dave, I notice you're online.
Do you not have anything to respond to or are you purposely choosing to ignore it?
@dodgy - tean is town, I feel pretty sure on that. I voted for you because...well...you'll see when I catch up to that part.
why do you feel tean is town?-
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In post 316, eyestott wrote:In post 307, dodgy56 wrote:In post 295, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:121 -
In post 122, dodgy56 wrote:
Dave is a player i would consider voting right now but i want to know what your case against him is.
This looks like 'Give me a reason to vote Dave.' Don't like it.
In post 147, dodgy56 wrote:there's definiteyl something weird going on in the mastin-eyestott-dave interaction.
Yeah, elaborate on this?
i already answered the first part. my read on dave was independent of what mastin's read was. i was trying to use mastin's read on dave to get a read on mastin.
the 2nd part.
mastin was certain dave was scum- eyestott defended that read in a way which was weird, and seemed too certain of the reasoning when no reasons had been included. Eyestott then backed down and tried to down play it. Then we also have eyestott's vote which only came once dave had dropped down from L-2- even though eyestott was scumreading him before that.
My read on dave has been lessened by the way the wagon built up on dave
VOTE: eyestott seems the scummiest to me atm- all this plus include his buddying of me earlier, his role in the killapenwin bandwagon and the dave bandwagon.
When he was at L-2, I decided not to put him at L-1 ONLY for the reason that he had already said that he was considering self-voting, and I had no wish for him to end the day early.
yes but if you felt he was scum why was that an issue? lynching scum is good. Moreover it would have been a good test, you find out if he is actually bluffing, and more importantly if he doesnt self-vote but someone hammers on him, it provides good data. You obviously felt fairly confident in your read on him as you voted him as soon as you realised he wasnt at l-2 anymore.. so why wasnt that confidence there when he was on L-2?-
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In post 318, eyestott wrote:In post 317, dodgy56 wrote:In post 316, eyestott wrote:In post 307, dodgy56 wrote:In post 295, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:121 -
In post 122, dodgy56 wrote:
Dave is a player i would consider voting right now but i want to know what your case against him is.
This looks like 'Give me a reason to vote Dave.' Don't like it.
In post 147, dodgy56 wrote:there's definiteyl something weird going on in the mastin-eyestott-dave interaction.
Yeah, elaborate on this?
i already answered the first part. my read on dave was independent of what mastin's read was. i was trying to use mastin's read on dave to get a read on mastin.
the 2nd part.
mastin was certain dave was scum- eyestott defended that read in a way which was weird, and seemed too certain of the reasoning when no reasons had been included. Eyestott then backed down and tried to down play it. Then we also have eyestott's vote which only came once dave had dropped down from L-2- even though eyestott was scumreading him before that.
My read on dave has been lessened by the way the wagon built up on dave
VOTE: eyestott seems the scummiest to me atm- all this plus include his buddying of me earlier, his role in the killapenwin bandwagon and the dave bandwagon.
When he was at L-2, I decided not to put him at L-1 ONLY for the reason that he had already said that he was considering self-voting, and I had no wish for him to end the day early.
yes but if you felt he was scum why was that an issue? lynching scum is good. Moreover it would have been a good test, you find out if he is actually bluffing, and more importantly if he doesnt self-vote but someone hammers on him, it provides good data. You obviously felt fairly confident in your read on him as you voted him as soon as you realised he wasnt at l-2 anymore.. so why wasnt that confidence there when he was on L-2?
Because it would end the day way too early. Why not get as much information as we can?
Ending the day about 3 days in is very bad. Scum lynch is good, but a mislynch after 3 days is bad, as we could have possibly prevented it.
sometimes ending the day early might actually provide more information. it might mean that the scum havent had time to get organised and hide their votes like they do towards the end of the day. note im not saying that we should just be ending the day straight away. you point out some fairly obvious points such as that if we get it wrong and mislynch after 3 days when we might have been able to talk and come to a better lynch is not optimal. im just saying that an early end to the day is not as bad as you seem to be suggesting. Also for the record the sole reason you didnt vote dave originally is that he was at L-2? correct? Was that because of how early in the day it was? or because you didnt want someone at L-1?-
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In post 320, eyestott wrote:In post 319, dodgy56 wrote:
sometimes ending the day early might actually provide more information. it might mean that the scum havent had time to get organised and hide their votes like they do towards the end of the day. note im not saying that we should just be ending the day straight away. you point out some fairly obvious points such as that if we get it wrong and mislynch after 3 days when we might have been able to talk and come to a better lynch is not optimal. im just saying that an early end to the day is not as bad as you seem to be suggesting. Also for the record the sole reason you didnt vote dave originally is that he was at L-2? correct? Was that because of how early in the day it was? or because you didnt want someone at L-1?
Correct. Both. Mainly the first option, as having someone at L-1 is only dangerous if there is someone who might quickhammer, in this case, himself.
Do you think It would have been more pro-town of me to put someone who has contemplated Self-voting at L-1?
Yes or no?
do you really think as scum he would have selfvoted at L-1? im trying to work out whether you are being sincere here or whether you just didnt want to be vote 6 on him, as you know his allignment? it could easily be distancing, l-1 puts him in real danger if he is your buddy, L-2 is safer. it could be that you dont want to be vote 6 on a townie. idk.
would your vote stay there now if i voted dave and pushed him to L-1 or would you unvote?-
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there can actually be a place for voting yourself as town when it is imperative that you die that day in order to prove a point and lead the remaining town in the right direction. as scum it can never serve a purpose. i wasnt saying you would bus him. i was saying that could be a reason why you didnt vote him to l-1 but were prepared to vote him to l-2.
ok i dont intend to vote him as i think he is probably town at this point. The fact that there hasnt been counterlynch momentum tends to agree with this.-
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In post 325, eyestott wrote:In post 323, dodgy56 wrote:it depends on the confidence of your read. if you strongly believe he is scum then you should be voting him. if not then you shouldnt. but its your later vote that is making this hard for me to find sincere
In post 217, dodgy56 wrote:so far i dont see how anyone can have astrong readon anyone either way. If anyone has a strong town or scum read, please explain why. FMPOV having weak reads at this point is fine. id rather people have weak reads that are logical and that i can follow than supposed strong reads that havent been explained.
Please just give a yes or no. I am not sure that Dave is scum. He is, however, my top scumread. However, I have no wish for the day to end too quickly.
i cant give a yes or no answer.. it comes down to what you talked about with the person hammering. if you feel strongly enough that someone is scum you vote them in that position, if you dont feel that strongly then you dont vote them. but i find it hard to believe that you werent that confident given you then vote him as soon as he is below L-2. Do you understand why that seems off?-
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In post 329, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:203 - Dodgy, this looks like you're posturing to jump off the Dave wagon if it loses momentum. Scummy enough for you to keep voting him, enough doubt in the read for you to jump off if you need to.
204 - Copper, if you disliked Tean's vote the most, why did you not vote for them? Also, in 158 you say Tean vs Killa is 'Town vs town', that's changed now?
205 - Dodgy, it looks like you're testing the waters for a Tean wagon here. Interested to see where this goes.
211/213 - Umm, eyestott, when and why did Dave become your top scum-read? This read seems to have come from nowhere.
215 - Dave, what was you expecting me to do? Also, why me specifically?
219 - Anen, this is interesting. I'm trying to decide if your read on Tean is opportunistic or genuine. You now have Tean as your top scum-read and vote them,right afterboth dodgy and Copper express some disliking of that slot. This feels scummy.
This game is getting exciting.
I feel very confident there is at least one scum in Copper/Dodgy/Anen. Copper and Dodgy are not scum together, Anen could be scum with either of them.
that was the first time i started to feel some doubt about the case i had made against dave. so i decided to look at who was on that lynch (and which of them were also on the killa lynch) and see which votes seemed genuine and which seemed like pure bandwagon votes'
i had missed that copper had said killa vs tean was town vs town. i need to review their interaction
im still null on anen.. it felt genuine at the time fmpov-
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In post 335, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:307 - Dodgy, if you were trying to gauge a read on Mastin then you didn't need to include the 'I could vote Dave right now' comment.
308 - All of Tean's posts are so town it hurts. In particular, 93, 97, 182, 189 & 231
My vote on you was because I had misread your preceding post. However, I still find you to be scummy for the other reasons stated during my vatch-up.
310 - I find it astonishing that you can post on this site whilst sleeping. That is a skill.
330 - eyestott, you're voting Dave because he said he would self-vote? That's your only reasoning?
ok fair enough i can see why you are saying my other posts are scummy. i was so confused about your vote at the time though-
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In post 342, copper223 wrote:
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I am reviewing the latest pages and it looks like Dodgy is trying to bury Eyestott, because no matter the answer (and often I actually agree with Dodgy's pov but that's not the point) he argues the opposite.
if you agree with my point, why are you criticising me for arguing it?-
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In post 338, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:In post 336, dodgy56 wrote:
ok fair enough i can see why you are saying my other posts are scummy. i was so confused about your vote at the time though
What in particular do you agree with regarding your posts being scummy?
UNVOTE:
i can see why it may look like im signposting things so that i have a way out if it doesnt work (its not the case but i can see why you may see it that way).-
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In post 339, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Also Dodgy, what's your read on Tean?
i think my read on tean depends on the allignment of dave. if dave is town, tean's vote and eyestott's vote are the ones that look the worst fmpov at this point. if dave is scum, then im sure about tean. would be neutral. I could see copper as scum for the way he got off the dave lynch once it got to L-2. (granted i am being a little hypocritical here)-
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In post 362, copper223 wrote:@Dodgy
I said I agree withsomeof your points, in particular I don't like his l-2 is less significant than l-1 which is less significant than hammer, if you vote a guy you want to lynch him, unless you are clearly doing it to pressure that player, the position on the wagon is irrelevant, but you are attacking him for basically every post he has written.
fair enough. he is still my top scum read though. i probably am tunelling on him a bit. i dont think its a conscious thing though. probably partly because he is the one player i have experience with before this game.
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