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In post 37, Heartless wrote:tth's internet crush is scum, btw
How do you know, unless you're scum too?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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While I think the star wars quote was appropriate (and good timing too considering vetrock's avatar), I think it's also an unconscious response to getting a red PM.
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If you want to look at two players together, a similar function can be found at the bottom of the page. Use the "display posts by user" pulldown to select player 1, then hit the [+] and you'll get another pulldown to select player 2.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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In post 79, Wickedestjr wrote:davesaz, what do you think of mastin's vote for you?
She said she was serious, but about what I can't guess.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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In post 91, Wickedestjr wrote:Did you not notice that?
It's utter nonsense. Devoid of meaningful content. Or not serious. I'm not sure which yet.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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This terminology sounds familiar, but can't put my finger on who says it a lot.
It gives off a faint odor of scum.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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@eyestott: What prompted you to post your history info?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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I often respond to a non-RVS "naked vote", i.e. a vote with little/no surrounding explanation, by immediately calling it out as naked and voting for that player.
I'll give you a pass this time because you got some reasons posted before I had a chance to act.
I mention it here because there are several players in the game who have seen me do it and may question why I didn't do it this time.
Question re: buddying. Do you view different types of helpful posts differently?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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In post 121, mastin2 wrote:Mostly skimming right now.
There are a couple of reads that I want to get to, but I'm not sure how to go about it. Basically, I want to hold back on giving the info, yet not actually forget what the reads are, but don't want to run afoul of mod rules or what I say being transparently obvious, to let the read develop for a little while longer. I'm coming up on a bit of a blank. Let's just say I basically have thoughts on almost every player in the game right now, albeit mostly weak. I'm really struggling to think what to do about most of it, but I will reiterate this:
Dave is scum. You can trust me on that.
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In post 124, vettrock wrote:
I would agree with this. Those overly concerned with maintaining a town look, and their own meta is moderately scummy.
I have observed that being concerned with looking town isn't very alignment indicative, but reading that concern as scummy is somewhat indicative of scum (i.e. scum use it for a "case" more often than town do).Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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QFT. No information.
@mastin: If you're using the observation that I've flipped town in every game to predict I'm scum here, remember that dice have no memory. BTW is there a record for longest streak rolling town on this site?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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In post 126, dodgy56 wrote:In post 125, eyestott wrote:In post 122, dodgy56 wrote:
i dont trust you on that at all. why do you think he is scum?
Dave is a player i would consider voting right now but i want to know what your case against him is.
dodgy, mastin is just as (If not more) experienced at mafia as the likes of sjg and Crunkus. She cant fully explain, because it would be against the rules (I think because of the "no talking about ongoing games" rule).
being experienced doesnt mean i should blindly trust him. so far i dont have any idea why she thinks dave is scum.. let alone a full explanation
TBH, my bet is "reaction test". So I'm not all that concerned about it really.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Hmm, wonder whose alt slip that is.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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In post 139, copper223 wrote:@Dave
If you're not worried about Mastin's vote why do you keep mentioning it and have already decided it was based on nothing/it's a reaction test?
Your post implies that having a conversation about something means I'm worried about it. Why do you want to make that assumption?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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In post 155, mastin2 wrote:
Remember how I said I was 90% serious?In post 134, davesaz wrote:TBH, my bet is "reaction test". So I'm not all that concerned about it really.
The other 10% was the reaction test. (Okay, so to be fair, it's probably better to say I was 60% serious and 40% reaction-testing, and exaggerating the number for the sake of furthering the reaction test, butstill, you get the idea.)
But I was serious then, and am even MORE serious now. My other reads are fluid. As in, they're massively flowing in my mind and I haven't nailed them down quite yet. (I'll try at some time in the immediate future.) But dave? Dave IS scum. I'm not sure if I'm going to really be able to explain it. Like, I can explain the basic not-very-well-based reasoning for the original read easily enough; it was just so plain compared to the other more interesting confirms that I figured "probably just scum who got it out of the way". The weakest of weak possible reasons, thus one reason why I hold onto said reasoning and not explain it immediately. (Because if people knew how weak it was, I'd lose the reactions.)
SINCE then, though, there's plenty more that's much stronger. Like, all of it, really. As in, basically everything dave says, I think, "yep, scum". I'm not sure I can really find the words for it. They're not coherent. But dave has done nothing but scumposting. While, yes, I was originally reaction-testing him, and while, yes, my original reasoning was weak, since then, the read has grown stronger off of much stronger reasoning. I'm just trying to figure out how to make that come across as more than just gibberish right now.
But he's scum. You can trust me on that.
No, I haven't tossed a single newbscumtell. I'm a brutally honest VT, and you're an idiot.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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In post 168, Wickedestjr wrote:dodgy wrote:can someone tell me how experienced dave is?
Looks like he has seven or eight completed games and five or six ongoing games. Over 1000 game posts, so he's pretty experienced. If you want to check for yourself (or check for another player), click on the player's username and then click on "view their topics". That'll give you all the topics on Mafiascum that they have posted in, ever.
Even better yet, follow the links in my sig. And I'm on the wiki too.
I'm guessing around 50 completed games on the other sites, which is pretty hefty considering we were lucky to average two a month in that environment.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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In post 170, Wickedestjr wrote:davesaz wrote:No, I haven't tossed a single newbscumtell. I'm a brutally honest VT, and you're an idiot.
Before you go insulting others, you should learn the basic unspoken rules w.r.t. claiming. How can you call someone an idiot in the same sentence thatyougive a horribly-timed claim? I don't think you were even at L-2...
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In post 163, Tean Samargo wrote:Honestly, I don't like BBT so far. He was active pregame, but his posting dropped off the face of the earth the instant the game started. His actual posts have been pretty meaningless too. It looks to me like he's trying to coast by without saying much, which he's able to do so far since people are mostly ignoring him.
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In post 148, dodgy56 wrote:In post 131, davesaz wrote:In post 124, vettrock wrote:
I would agree with this. Those overly concerned with maintaining a town look, and their own meta is moderately scummy.
I have observed that being concerned with looking town isn't very alignment indicative, but reading that concern as scummy is somewhat indicative of scum (i.e. scum use it for a "case" more often than town do).
perhaps you may be right. all that means is that townies need to stop being concerned with their appearance. but i still dont really buy this.
From this reply I'm not sure you understood what I meant.
Being lynched is bad for both scum and town. A desire to look town, and concern over being seen as scummy, is common to both alignments. It is human nature to want to survive, even in a game such as this one. As town, I don't use "being concerned over appearance" as a scumtell. It is a horrible predictor for alignment. There are other things to look for which are much more effective.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Mastin -- null, need input.
Aneninen -- null, insufficient content
Dodgy -- null->town, curiosity seems genuine, trying to determine alignment in 167
Wickedestjr -- lean town gut
copper's 158 is mixed. The vote is sheep, I like the logic on killapenwin, agree that Vettrock needs to be watched, but don't get calling beast town with so little content. Seems a bit thrown together.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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In post 176, dodgy56 wrote:
no i understood perfectly what you meant. im saying townies shouldnt be worried about it. if they do the right thing and are open/honest and try to engage sincerely then they dont need to try and look town. Scum however dont have the option of engaging sincerely and as they are the ones trying to blend in, they have an interest in appearing town.
TL;DR townies should stop worrying about their image and worry about scum hunting.
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In post 151, Wickedestjr wrote:
If you really thought this was a reaction test, why would you point that out? I think a reaction test is ruined if the test subjects know it's a reaction test.
Take that logic a little further. The target knows it's a reaction test. That means that their reactions can be ______________________ (fill in the blank)
Now pick you jaw up off the floor and reread please.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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TBH I never have reads on every player to begin with. A lot of the unmentioned have posted nothing beyond RVS.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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eyestott's thing with killapenwin looked a bit questionable to me. It's the type of thing scum can float to see what happens, and either push if it's safe or back off as an early misunderstanding if it turns dangerous. I wasn't sure how the whole thing would lead to a read on killa's alignment.
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In post 184, dodgy56 wrote:In post 178, davesaz wrote:In post 176, dodgy56 wrote:
no i understood perfectly what you meant. im saying townies shouldnt be worried about it. if they do the right thing and are open/honest and try to engage sincerely then they dont need to try and look town. Scum however dont have the option of engaging sincerely and as they are the ones trying to blend in, they have an interest in appearing town.
TL;DR townies should stop worrying about their image and worry about scum hunting.
And if the path to being open / honestisto be conscious of image?
why would that be the path? the idea of looking at your own image is essentially a filter to prevent yourself from looking bad/to make yourself look better. It comes across as forced.
But my point is, what if the individual's natural way of thinking is to be conscious of image at all times. It maylookforced, yet be completely natural.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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In post 189, Tean Samargo wrote:There's nothing to go by in your reads list. All of your reads are null, mixed and you seem unsure of yourself. It seems like it's all rushed and poorly made. Odd, seeing that you were one of the more active players in the forum at the moment. What were you doing all this time? Surely you must have a more solid read by now?
That one's relatively easy to answer. I don't make shit up to see if it sticks. Four players (BBT, Heartless, Aneninen, beastcharizard) have said nothing substantial at all. Five players are voting wrongly, but being wrong isn't alignment indicative by itself. Sheeping isn't a reliable indicator either. It's plausible that Mastin really believes her push, and again being wrong isn't really alignment indicative.
I don't know who the scum are, and I don't have any really strong suspicions. This early in day 1, weak reads are all you're going to get from me.
I've said this before. It may be in a completed game, but I'm not sure. This site has a hard time dealing with an honest player. You expect people to toss blind accusations, ignore their feelings and act like they don't care about being voted, attack someone for a mistaken word or two. That's not how I play.
You're welcome to lynch me if you think it's the right thing. I know it would be a mistake for town.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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In post 195, eyestott wrote:
Why are you claiming already? What pro-town reason would you have for revealing you're a VT?
Partially answered in 172. I don't really have a reason, other than being quite angry at the time.
I have self censored a couple of posts since then.
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In post 209, eyestott wrote:In post 199, davesaz wrote:In post 195, eyestott wrote:
Why are you claiming already? What pro-town reason would you have for revealing you're a VT?
Partially answered in 172. I don't really have a reason, other than being quite angry at the time.
I have self censored a couple of posts since then.
I strongly considered self voting.
Also, you cant just pass off a reveal as anger, and expect it to be fine.
It is the truth. I don't expect it to be "fine".Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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I was kinda hoping that BBT would have done something. He's presumably 7 hours ahead of me and it's mid day there now.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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@thread: Is it ok for one player to get pounded for not having strong reads, but another to be proud ofmaybehaving a 2nd scum read?
I don't think so.
Where are the questions?
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@vettrock:
You've commented on the "looking town" conversation, but I don't see any comment on the wagon. Why so quiet?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Heartless is a hydra of AntiHero and TellTaleHeart, so I assume she meant the two of them.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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You may find it helpful to ask questions, like why people are on it or off it.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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In post 231, Tean Samargo wrote:@dav
The point of my case against you dav is that you have been floating around the forum posting nearly daily and yet your strongest read is simply a 'mixed' read. While I'm not asking for a super strong 'that man is scum' read, I find it suspicious that you don't even have a weak scum read. It is as if you weren't really looking for scum until that point. That in my opinion is pretty dang scummy.
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Wow Jackal, hope you're feeling ok.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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In post 237, vettrock wrote:In post 220, davesaz wrote:@vettrock:
You've commented on the "looking town" conversation, but I don't see any comment on the wagon. Why so quiet?
Mostly because I'm undecided about the wagon. I need to do some more review/reads. I generally have a hard time with D1 as there isn't as much real information to base anything off of.
Given this position, what do you make of Tean Samargo's accusation that I don't have reads?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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In post 254, copper223 wrote:I like the last two posts by Vettrock btw so Dave latching onto that particular read is not endearing him to me.
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In post 200, copper223 wrote:UNVOTE:
This kind of dumb play and "rage" combined with an early claim is very often town. The dog piling on the slot was also too quick for my liking.
In post 256, copper223 wrote:
@Vettrock
He may do it (early claim), as an experienced scum player, as a fake dumbtell that he is a frustrated vanilla townie that has lost motivation and doesn't care about the game anymore.
Hmm, you've floated both town and scum motivations for the same action. Trying to see which one gets more support, so you can blend in with town a little better?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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In post 263, Wickedestjr wrote:In post 261, davesaz wrote:In post 200, copper223 wrote:UNVOTE:
This kind of dumb play and "rage" combined with an early claim is very often town. The dog piling on the slot was also too quick for my liking.
In post 256, copper223 wrote:
@Vettrock
He may do it (early claim), as an experienced scum player, as a fake dumbtell that he is a frustrated vanilla townie that has lost motivation and doesn't care about the game anymore.
Hmm, you've floated both town and scum motivations for the same action. Trying to see which one gets more support, so you can blend in with town a little better?
Misrep.Ipresented the 256 theory.
I don't see how that's relevant. Whether copper is the 1st or 2nd, he's still arguing both sides to see which sticks.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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In post 264, copper223 wrote:@Dave
The read on Vettrock.
Townies claiming VT prematurely has happened to me in Rome twice now, what Wicked said about it being more of a newbie thing and about not buying your frustration in particular reads true, especially for a guy being a civ nerd hence a strategical thinker I can see trying to fake it as a ploy being a possiblity.
False dichotomy. I don't agree with the theory that it's worse to claim than it is to be mislynched. There are some situations where a claim as town is better strategically.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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I am posting the truth and nothing but the truth.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Like I said, people here have trouble with honesty.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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As for the accusations I'm posting, they are my opinion and therefore can be incorrect but can't be untrue.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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In post 182, Tean Samargo wrote:@Dav
There's only 4 people in your reads list, where's the rest? It sort of feels like a filler from where I'm sitting.
I commented later on the disparity between this post criticizing my reads list and the lack of comments about other players who have even fewer reads. My comment quoted Mastin's "second scumread" post, and there were a couple of follow up questions about that, but still nothing about the general lack of reads from several others.
Why are so many people getting a free pass on not providing reads?
In post 247, Wickedestjr wrote:
In post 177, davesaz wrote:Mastin -- null, need input.
Aneninen -- null, insufficient content
Dodgy -- null->town, curiosity seems genuine, trying to determine alignment in 167
Wickedestjr -- lean town gut
copper's 158 is mixed. The vote is sheep, I like the logic on killapenwin, agree that Vettrock needs to be watched, but don't get calling beast town with so little content. Seems a bit thrown together.
Note: the following was a response directly to Tean's post quoted above
In post 183, davesaz wrote:TBH I never have reads on every player to begin with. A lot of the unmentioned have posted nothing beyond RVS.
Maybe I’m missing something, but what prompted you to post ‘reads’ on those five players specifically if you only actually have reads on two of them? Filler?
So Wicked quotes my reads list, skips Tean Samargo's comment about it, quotes my response to TS which explains why the list is a short one, and then calls the reads list filler.Anyone think this is strange?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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In post 277, Wickedestjr wrote:Phone post
You've misinterpreted my question. I wasn't questioning you for the shortness of the reads list (OBVIOUSLY there are players who have provided even less than you have). I am fine with that. I was questioning your inclusion of the null reads in your reads post. Why did you specifically include mastin and Anen in your reads list (as opposed to... say... eye and beast) when you literally had nothing interesting to say about them? E.g. Did I miss a post where someone asked you for your reads on those players? If you weren't going to post a reads list for all the players then why did you specifically include just those few null reads (because I assume you also null read all the players not mentioned). I was wondering if the unhelpful null reads we're added simply for filler. Does that make sense?
Well, the point of my bringing up that post was that you asked if it was "filler" and quoted the post right after TS also mentioned "filler", but without noting that.
I make a distinction between someone I've tried to read and came up null, vs one I haven't even attempted. The players not listed in that post were ones who don't even warrant a "null" mention because I literally had no opinion whatsoever on them.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Who happen to be the only active players. I can't read inactive ones.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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In post 290, beastcharizard wrote:In post 274, Wickedestjr wrote:Am I the only one that thinks beast might be scum?
Yes. How am I scummy again?
Let's start with being around often enough to post when you're mentioned, but failing to put effort into scum hunting.
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In post 304, copper223 wrote:
Now I can see a world where town_Dave tries to read Aneninen because they previously had a game together and comes up with a blank, so idk, it's not such a strong scumtell anymore and I continue disliking everyone finding an angle to jump on the wagon (BBT being the latest addition).
Bingo.
In post 309, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Hi Dave, I notice you're online.
Do you not have anything to respond to or are you purposely choosing to ignore it?
@dodgy - tean is town, I feel pretty sure on that. I voted for you because...well...you'll see when I catch up to that part.
I was asleep in my chair. Haven't tried posting while half awake before, don't think it would be terribly productive.
I find it odd that you're focusing so much on me. Perhaps understandable as the early wagon, but there are a few other things going on. Not as much as I would hope for, unfortunately.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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In post 231, Tean Samargo wrote:@dav
The point of my case against you dav is that you have been floating around the forum posting nearly daily and yet your strongest read is simply a 'mixed' read. While I'm not asking for a super strong 'that man is scum' read, I find it suspicious that you don't even have a weak scum read. It is as if you weren't really looking for scum until that point. That in my opinion is pretty dang scummy.
This is partly accurate and partly completely wrong. Your observation on activity is quite accurate. I have been active, in this thread or elsewhere, pretty much constantly when I have free time. There were a couple of times I would have wanted to post more in-depth (Thursday morning and Saturday morning) but could not because of RL obligations.
The completely wrong part is the interpretation of why my reads are useless, and even more so the analysis of what that means for alignment. If I were scum, I could toss out accusations willy nilly and pick one that sticks. It would even be beneficial for my team to toss weak scum reads in the direction of my teammates, and buddy the heck out of a couple of town to cast suspicion on them. I'm not taking the easy route -- that should tell you something.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Busier than usual, hope to post later today.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Still seriously busy.
At least some of you have realized that if I were scum it's likely my buddies would at least be trying to build a counter wagon. Lack of a strong push in that direction points to me as town, though I'll agree with others who already said it's far from strong evidence. (Yes I could go back and quote. Maybe I will next time the available time is better)Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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VOTE: eyestott
TBH I'm still pressed for time and have not had a chance to independently build a case, but I agree with what I'm seeing against him to be willing to vote it.
So a little more than just sheeping, but not much more.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Clarification: I never said anything about self-hammering. I made a comment about self-voting, and I was talking inpast tense(hadbeen thinking about) referring to a time that the count was just 2-3 votes.
I don't see mastin as likely scum, despite her totally misreading me.
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In post 440, killapenwin wrote:Ok I have caught up to, @wicked no you are not insane, I do not know why BBT is trying so hard to defend Tean and buddying up to him.
@Aneninen sorry I am not 100% sure how to link multiple posts I think it has to do with the "Q+ button but I think that only allows you to do posts from a single page, whereas my comments covered Tean's posts over the whole thread. If you have Tean's ISO in 1 tab and my post in another it is not to difficult to cross-reference.
I am kind of feeling this Eyestott wagon and mostly because I don't like his indecisive style of play, it seems too noncommittal. It is almost as if he is justifying an excuse at the point of voting so that he can defend himself when things don't look too good for him if he makes a mistake for example. If you are making a point against someone you should be trying to convince others they are scum typically in a format like this:
Person .... is scum because ......(read/reason).. and ideally ->see this post ..(evidence/post)...
or at least in some format similar to that. When I read Eyestott's posts he just seems to be indifferent. I find a person who does that to be difficult to read, a player is either scum or not you may have conflicting points but at some point you are going to have to decide.
I played my last game against scumEyestott and he did the same that game, which is partly why I think the wagon on him is a better choice than the others proposed so far. I'll hold off voting for him right now as I would like to hear more from a few players mastin/vettrock/heartless first.
Meeting turned out to be a quick one, so I get to post more.
This post looks so town up till the last sentence. If you're confident in the read, why wait for other players? The wagon was only L-3 or so at this point, if I counted right.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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In post 488, Heartless wrote:
In short, the jump from the dave wagon to the eyestott wagon makes no sense from the perspective of town with as strong of a scumread as mastin apparently had and it doesn't follow from anything mastin's said or fit in with mastin's other reads.
If anyone has an alternative hypothesis for the reasoning behind the vote change, please let me hear it. Copper, I'm especially talking to you.
I'd like to ask a separate question which might also be useful in working out mastin. Does anyone have experience with her having the type of (apparently) emotional reaction to Anti's sudden push on her? I'm predisposed to read that type of reaction as somewhat town unless there is meta indicating it's out of character for a player, and I don't have direct meta to work with. The emotional->town doesn't mesh at all with TTH's analysis of mastin's actions vs. stated reads and the logic speaks louder.
I said just a few posts ago that I didn't see mastin as scum, EBWO(VD)P certainly didn't see her as especially town either.
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In post 477, eyestott wrote:Besides, if he's scum, he's not likely to start being townread by the majority.
This is quite subtle, but it's also clearly misinformation.
Scum are often townread by the majority. If they weren't, then they'd never win!
Not to mention the surrounding material is so full of WIFOM that the supply of glasses is running low.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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In post 493, Heartless wrote:I'm not inclined to think temperament is influenced by the color of the card you draw. If you're choleric or in a bad mood, holding a red card isn't going to make you suddenly not in a bad mood.
-TTH
True, but not really what I was asking. Does mastin have a history of outbursts, and if she does is it helpful for alignment?
I know, it's a bit lazy of me to ask this vs. looking it up myself. Just hoping someone will know offhand...
BTW this post can also be used in my defense. Just because I got a little worked up over being scum read off the bat in nearly every game (and over nothing) doesn't imply I got red this time...Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Umm, I never said that theragewas faked. That was a real fingers shaking so bad you almost can't type kind of rage.
Yes, I definitely hinted at there being a "prove I'm town" strategy to my posting. Don't think I've tried to hide that.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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So I've learned this game (and a couple of other recent ones).
Act scummy (by the standards of the sites I played on before) so you get town read just seems so counter intuitive.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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