Open 596: Mega PopCorn Mafia - Over

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/confirm

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Fucking hell we can't even vote yet and there's a shitfest to be seen

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So apparently this girl is so high she can get the cops called on her but her tweets are still 100% coherent

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That somehow came from a facebook conversation I was having with someone

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Don't expect any posts of higher quality from me though

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Fucking hell we can't even vote yet and there's a shitfest to be seen

not a shitfest

just a friendly reminder to nacho that i don't tolerate any bullshit and a friendly request to get out of his own ass and knock it off b/c regardless of his alignment it's annoying

Aka a shitfest

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Can we get tth in here

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Can we get tth in here

Why?

To end the drama

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VOTE: nonsense

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von you're scum reading people for the same reasons you're null reading others

"I can't read hydras" doesn't cut it

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flubber

: really, really random. 9 posts but zero contribution. most of his posts are 3-5 words.

nonsense

: hard to read. i cant read hydras. also all of his posts are utter nonsense. start playing the game!

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Also calling my posting random is bullshit

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Victor, I have to ask: Coyote has made a single post, and it was his confirmation. That's enough to make you want him shot?

Yep.

Do you have town reads on everyone else or something

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2) no. you are misrepresenting me. I'm saying that out of all of his posts he has contributed interesting facts about the effects of intoxication on tweets, the expected lack of quality in his posting, and how tth should post more often.

So you're scum reading me for a post that I've already stated shouldn't be in the game and because you don't understand what an implication is?

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Okay it's really sad that this keeps coming up but maybe this will shut people up

I saw what I saw on twitter and wanted to tell a friend about it, so I wrote the message to them. Then I opened my browser, but decided I wanted to tell someone else. Have you seen the fb messenger on mobile? It sits on top of whatever you're doing. My hair was wet, and while I was copying the message, and it dripped on my phone which fucked with the touch screen and pasted the message in the textbox, at which point I accidentally hit submit.

It's a one in a million chance of happening, but it still makes more sense than the most recent conspiracy theory I've seen over it

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nah but random thought - you and victordeangelo, from past games i think your styles and pace are somewhat similar and so it would get your thoughts and his flowing if you spoke fearlessly to each other. maybe. i think that sounds creepy but you know what i mean. plus victor is brick-wall hard to read and because of that is a good candidate to bounce thoughts off

Why do you think we're afraid of each other?

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I've read and caught up. I have scum reads on wanderer and West9, slight scum reads on Perpetual Nonsense and Lucky2u, and town reads on vonflare and DCL.

wanderer is very articulate and her theory posts hit all the right notes, which is why I'm surprised her actual scum reads (DCL and vonflare) are so

bleh

, bland, and unremarkable. It's particularly bothersome that the reasons for the vonflare vote were sub par even by early-game standards, her scumhunting is also very limited in scope to just two people who happened to draw quite a bit of attention at the time, and her reads track suspiciously closely with nacho's reads.

DCL and Vonflare seem like perfectly fine scum candidates...do you disagree?

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Huehuehue ding dong

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@julien can you show me where dcl is scumhunting?

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yeah anti word your shit so it doesn't sound like you're trying to cause drama and that won't happen

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How do you have a more definitive stance on vic than me?

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julien: I dislike their jumping on Wanderer. Well, not jumping, but you know. I disagree with the suggestion (Wanderer's) that our votes indicate the shot (as julien said, this is easier for scum to influence), but it was just that, a suggestion. What I also disagree with is julien saying to just follow the gunbearer. Now THAT is something that is easier for scum to influence, it's just one person. Scum.

Are you implying there's a scenario in which scum holds the gun? I'm not sure how scum has more influence directly talking to the gunbearer than they do with a vote

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Reminding myself to respond to maxwell and julien

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In this game a naked vote seems roughly equivalent to a gut read

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flubber asking for tth is really :\ :/ :\ :/ :\ :/
so are his reads.

What do you mean by this, exactly?

kjfldssssssssssssssssamadjoieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew;oij

it's just kinda' weird. because once tth actually GOT here and started giving her reads, he proceeds to ask her perfunctory questions (Post 279 this was AFTER tth EXPLICITLY said she thought vonflare and DCL were town) and not really do anything to try to resolve the apparent mile-wide chasm between their reads. and if it was really my "drama" that was bothering him, i don't know why he wouldn't have just told me directly to shut my fucking pie hole instead of making an indirect appeal for tth to put a muzzle on me.

worst thing is that the rest of his iso is really pot-shot-ish and the scum reads (vonflare and dcl) aren't well supported

You've never seen a sarcastic and/or passive aggressive post from me, like, ever?

You're acting like my intention was to fake progressing the game state when I was doing nothing more than fluff posting

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then ask him why

flubber why do you think von and dcl are scum?

It's not Anti's obligation to ask him why. It's Flubber's to make himself clear and understood from the beginning. That is, if he wants to, which is part of what Anti is speculating on.

This is also bullshit. There's always incomplete information in any conversation, and you're choosing to scum read me for it because(??)

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Read what I said about Vic. Then read it again. Maybe read it once more? Votes with no explanation make my gut think town. That's literally it, and it's not a substantial read at all. I had no gut feelings either way for the three of ya I put down at the bottom.

No, I don't think scum can hold the gun, obviously. I'm saying that it's more difficult for scum to influence a whole bunch of votes (a lotta people to influence), and it is much easier to influence a single person, ie the gunbearer. There are a large number of scum right now, so it only takes a few townies suggesting a shot that happens to be town for the scum to see and agree with, thereby creating a lean on that person for the shot. Also, scum can choose the gunbearer, remember? They indirectly control the shot (obviously not nacho's, but every shot after that), so it's more dangerous to just follow the gunbearer's lead, as that gunbearer's lead is geared towards what the scum wants, especially if the gunbearer is left to their own devices and town is afraid to argue with them.

Basically, I'm saying that is has to be a discussion, not done by majority vote and definitely not by just following the gunbearer.

I disagree that scum has more influence on the gunbearer than they have influence on the vote. Scum cannot make 100% valid cases, so anything they say to the gunbearer has that touch of falsity to it. I trust town (which is the majority) to be able to find that falsity and counter argue to where the conftown gunbearer can make the right decision as to what is optimal for town.

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@julien can you show me where dcl is scumhunting?

Seems to me that she was angry and didn't post properly until 150 and then promptly went on V/LA. I'm wondering why you needed to ask me that.

I missed the v/la from dcl. Theyre supposed to be back today so we'll see what happens. Either way the reads don't impress me, and I'm not scumreading dcl so much as am concerned with the opposition of their lynch

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von you're scum reading people for the same reasons you're null reading others

"I can't read hydras" doesn't cut it

With the immediate backtracking that came after this posts and others like it, I have no fucking clue why I am scum reading vonflare

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PN has made like one or two townish votes but theyre scum

I want to scum read heartless but I think part of that is me being bitter/paranoid from a mislynch anti hit me with as scum

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I'd rather you refute my scum reads than just complain that they're raw

Like if there was a cop guilty on someone right now would you complain about the depth of my read on them?

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VOTE: miller

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VOTE: miller

1) Why?
2) we have no one here called "miller"
3)

detached town has no need to catch up like this

I use catch up loosely but whatever

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VOTE: miller

1) Why?
2) we have no one here called "miller"
3)

detached town has no need to catch up like this

I use catch up loosely but whatever

thats no a response

neither is that

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There's a difference between not liking hydras and not reading them. I'm not sure if thats the point you're trying to make but its a good place to start

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I'd rather you refute my scum reads than just complain that they're raw
Like if there was a cop guilty on someone right now would you complain about the depth of my read on them?

Hon,

I'm

not complaining that they're raw. I can read you just fine regardless.

What

I

was taking offense to in the initial quote was Perpetual Nonsense's attempt to throw douchespeak Antihero's way and act like he was contributing:

then ask him why

flubber why do you think von and dcl are scum?

Then I don't understand this

worst thing is that the rest of his iso is really pot-shot-ish and the scum reads (vonflare and dcl) aren't well supported

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The more I look at heartless's posts the more I see the crap newbscum uses to try and scumpaint me

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That was Anti. Obviously.

Neither of us are newbs either, so I don't know what you're going on about.

You were defending anti though

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Ok fine you're scum

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When this goes full circle the rage is going to be lulz

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Is PN on your ignore list too?

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^^ Hey look its me 3 months ago

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PN/Heartless/Red/Wanderer(?)/Julien(???)

My list to shoot

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@ Flubber in 385: I really don't understand your issue here. Would you share the backstory? (Unless there's an ongoing game of course)

The best example would be from the last pyp to have been completed. ISO the theadrienc. He wasn't a newbie but his pushes on me best portray what I'm trying to say

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I guess the more "classic" a scumtell is the more scummy it is to push it on me

Tbh I've been told I look townier as scum anyway

pedit dammit enomis

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He can be on my shoot list too

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A townier post would have been "prodge"

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Long posts ugh

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I don't understand what accuser is. Is that like who nominated someone to get shot?

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I vote yea for vonlflare and nay for everyone else

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Not done reading that but why did you join this game if you weren't fond of the mechanics?

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yeah can we shoot vonflare yet

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Also there is literally no reason to sheep nacho on heartless if you can make a scum case on them

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Also there is literally no reason to sheep nacho on heartless if you can make a scum case on them

Lolwut?

This really reads scum to me, Flubber. You want to try making your point again? This time, pretend to not gloss over the fundamental differences in the mechanics between this game and traditional Mafia.

From what I've read of your wallpost it looked like you had good points for heartless being scum and then rejected those to sheep nacho. From pablito's most recent post it looks like I missed something Nacho suggested that I'm going to have to ISO later to get back on track

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@rc So sheeping a town read is now the same as telling a non-gunbearer to shoot someone?

Like even if I missed your reasoning behind sheeping nacho's read ths misrep is bad

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He's conftown why does it matter

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Well he just shot pablito of all people so I don't see the huge issue here

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Maybe vic crumbled under pressure and wanted the gun in good hands?

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Maybe vic crumbled under pressure and wanted the gun in good hands?

do you agree with pablito about... anything?

Are you implying I should scum read everyone I disagree with?

Are you expecting poor leadership from pablito? Why?

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Are you implying I should scum read everyone I disagree with?

No, he's implying that your current ass-kissing about how he's such a great leader is just that: ass-kissing.

If you don't agree with any of his reads, it doesn't logically follow that you think he's going to be a great gunbearer.

Nacho was a strong gunbearer. Was that only because of his reads?

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I propose that Nacho as the gunbearer (and subsequent ones that want to follow this tactic) make a short-list prior to shooting the gun and forcing everyone to comment on the shortlist to ensure that we have information before a shot is made. The voting as it is can only guarantee that votes (if even done at all) are on the spread, rather than commenting on the specific action by the gunbearer. That's what I remember from Kingmaker.

I'm planning on releasing a series of short lists as suspicions solidify, although I'm probably going to take more of a pressuring/questioning role early on so that people's thoughts solidify organically as opposed to following my confirmed town lead. I think your referendum idea is a good one; it has more depth than I thought it might, and I think that the most important thing to keep in mind with this setup is that activity flags hard when gunbearer ignores the opinions of the players surrounding them. As a result, I wouldn't mind taking point on making sure this system gets implemented by composing summarizing people's major suspicions as I pick up on them.

There are no reads in this post. Are you arguing it is a bad post?

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Why is it relevant at all if that's a good or a bad post? What is this? Fucking group therapy where we all reminisce about our favorite thing about nacho?

There's no shade of gray here. Gunbearers are only as good as their reads because

that

is what has a

direct

impact on what actions they take and therefore how the game progresses.

I don't know how good of a gunbearer Nacho was.

That remains to be seen. If he was right about his town bloc, then he was really good.

If nacho's making good posts without posting reads then I can trust a gunbearer to be pro-town while having differing reads than mine. Leadership ability and reads are two different things.

I don't like trying to walk through every little nuance of your bullshit just to see you throw a temper tantrum but if I don't people are going to be more likely to trust what you say about me because you and anti are good respected players and I'm not

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Obviously my own. But good leadership implies getting good reactions and teamwork from the town that can help strengthen my reads. The fact that I can't convince pablito of my reads just shows my weak communication/argument skills and in the scope of a single game there's not much I can do with that

You guys are acting like if I had the ability to give the gun to whomever I wanted I would give it to pablito

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As a fun side note this all started from my speculative perception of victor's perspective

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Either that or you really think me of all people is going to try and buddy pablito

I'm suave and dapper as fuck bruh

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And fucking dripping with swag

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If your post truly didn't make sense how did I make sense of it then

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Good leadership implies getting the whole crowd to act in a pro-town manner and I have no idea what else it could mean.

If I were the gunbearer right now and somehow got lucky to post something meaningful, even if I misread that slot, getting to content out for the rest of the town to see and form reads from would be a really strong play on my part.

Okay so now you can't go "boo hoo semantics" anymore. Let's talk about 683 some more.

How does your accusation of buddying change to "town should be feeling a certain way about this and isn't"?

If you're not trying to disprove that I was attempting to speak on behalf of another individual, why would you then say that post was representative of how I currently felt about the game?

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Part of me wants to continue to point out inconsistencies and part of me wants to stop so I don't put people to sleep

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Maybe titus is really just smarter than all of us then

And/or you're scum

Post 628 was me speaking on behalf of victor and you're telling me it's scummy because that's not how town should be feeling. But if I'm guessing someone else's thought processes, how does that post represent my current feelings on the game?

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174 proposes voting to help town demonstrate intentions

198 again looking to make intentions from the town clear

499 pushing again to make players responsible for their actions, particularly in his response to nacho

He's creating a framework for town to scumhunt with, but to call it foolproof is absurd

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Post 628 was me speaking on behalf of victor and you're telling me it's scummy because that's not how town should be feeling. But if I'm guessing someone else's thought processes, how does that post represent my current feelings on the game?

So you're saying that pablito being "good hands" really isn't

your

opinion, but

Victor's

opinion and that's how you intended it all along?

You're moving the goalposts quite a bit and I call bullshit, sir.

No I'm calling your bullshit from several different angles.

It's closer to erecting a second goalpost next to the other one I'm still shooting goals into

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628 wasn't your post. which post are you talking about?

Fuck me 683

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Oh look the first game of mafia I was ever scum in

How relevant

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You still haven't caught me in the contradiction you "think" you have

I haven't backed down or hidden

I'm not making awkward catchup posts

I immediately clarified anything that didn't make sense

And I haven't "fallen on my ass here"

ok, how about doa. that recent enough?
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=60729

Yeah where did I fall on my ass and bluster my way out there? I just sat on a shitty vanity wagon the whole time to try and stall the game

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You still haven't caught me in the contradiction you "think" you have

No one accused you of contradicting yourself.

Then what the hell was the point in bringing this up in the first place?

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I think the Heartless vs Flubber is Town vs Town

I was hoping to never end up being named in a post like this

Excuse me while I cry myself to sleep

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Yes even the mafia, even if its less so than the town. Making the mafia vote like pablito was pushing for made them act in a pro-town manner because it gave town more information to find them with.

What do my standards have to do with anything?

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You still haven't caught me in the contradiction you "think" you have

No one accused you of contradicting yourself.

Just noting again I haven't fallen on my ass but gd forbid someone has to read a 4 line post

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Wanderer is town - mostly for the reads list he posted early on but I haven't had a single post of theirs ping as scum

CB is town - making good unique observations and again no scum pings. Well there was a "why am I being townread" post but meh

Wanderer is a stronger read than CB

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@pablito I like the idea but when we start hitting vengeful townies there's a problem with it

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Vengful maf w/e

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I'm not opposed to pablito's actions right now but I do want to note that the emphasis on town reads makes it feel like obvscum is flying under the radar

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Such as?

I'm floored that vonflare hasn't been shot yet

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Okay well something wrong if good shots haven't been shot yet.

Part of me says lets try to break the game and part of me says fucking shoot obvscum

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Because of posts like that

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Yes even the mafia, even if its less so than the town. Making the mafia vote like pablito was pushing for made them act in a pro-town manner because it gave town more information to find them with.

Sorry to respond to a question with a question, but: You mean the way he's making them vote as gunbearer?

Even before he was a gunbearer

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If I never nominated shots I want vonflare pn and heartless in that order

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Suzune when I get on a computer ill respond to your read on me

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Getting back to this after work

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Now, let's revisit our favorite old friend, Flubbernugget.
Let me just start off this rant by calling all sorts of bullshit all over the "this is townFlubber meta" crowd. Bullshit. You want a game where Flubber gets caught with his pants down and then starts blustering about misrep and how it's oh-so-scummy to push him? Here's Drawn on Arrival again. If you're short on time, just go to Flubber's ISO and then search for "Marquis," who (correctly) called him as scum and was subsequently engaged in bluster-filled 1v1 similar to the one we're having now. How do I know the push on us right now is bullshit? Because, at it's core, it's founded on nothing other than "they're scumreading me" and instead of proving why the push is scum-motivated, he chooses to pick stupid side battles on petty bullshit and hammer away on those. The crap about pablito at the beginning of the day is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. Instead of just head-on confronting our accusation of him kissing pablito's ass with a "no I wasn't" he takes everyone down a rabbit hole of semantics and some horse shit about how he was just speculating on behalf of Victor and some generalities about the merits of Nacho's posting.

It's all noise.

Why?

So that he can get this:

I think the Heartless vs Flubber is Town vs Town

I was hoping to never end up being named in a post like this

Excuse me while I cry myself to sleep

Oh bullshit. This is exactly what he wanted. To make enough noise to where people would just go "fuck it. it's TvT." He doesn't give a shit about the read on us. If he actually did, it would actually exist for the whole game to see and judge. He would actually be

pushing a read

instead of just screaming and putting us on "shoot" lists, which he knows damn good and well pablito has no intention of following. He knows the push doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell. But instead of doing what town would do, shove it down everyone else's throats, he's riding the shouting match to townreads via the lazy "Town v Town" that's so fucking typical on this site.

Super fun bonus

: If vonflare ends up being a scum goon, you can add "turbobussed a useless scumbuddy for towncred" to the similarities between DoA and here.

Look at all the noise I've been making by taking time away from this game to not turn it into a pissing match. No you'll just scum-paint that as lurking till I could bullshit an answer but you've got to look town somehow I guess.

Let's talk about Marquis pegging me as scum. He scum read me for speaking in absolutes to discourage counterwagons on town. If you were arguing scum caught for the wrong reasons, your meta would almost make sense. I wasn't caught "with my pants down." I found one thing to paint as a scum tell to sit on an OMGUS vanity wagon and try to fly under the radar. But you need a read to look town over, so we can just forget that it takes two to argue right? We could have the same argument about me kissing ass and getting caught with my pants down in this game, and I could still hold both my points, and they would still be valid. Hell, the first one would be stronger now with pablito's additional play.

Meanwhile I've made several attempts to interact with you where I thought you were wrong and instead of working with me to get us on the same page you just let TTH pms all over the thread.

Oh and look at how many times you bring up that I've never buddied anyone ever as scum while we're at it.

But defending myself is boring. And my favorite part of this post is that the scumtells you've accused me of committing exist in anti's scum play. Remember Dingus mafia? How many people did you make a scum case on? Just me? Oh. Okay. Look at how safe your scum list is. The only "exciting" read you have in your scum pile is Maxwell, which sounds like a sheep of RC's case. Also here's some DOA meta: in DOA you had incredibly original content that made the town look at the game differently. The rest of your list in this game is barely making reads your own.

But let's keep playing the meta game with a town of people that haven't played with me so they can get even more bored and dismiss this all as a TvT. Oh wait TvT really just means I'm scum anyway.

Bottom line is that you're cherry picking meta because I'm a good target for you to pad your ISO with.

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Flubbernugget, he caught my eye because he seems to be on the, it does not matter who dies boat. By this logic, as long as the shot is made then who cares the result. However, while killing more people does limit the margin of error on the hands of the gunbearer, it does not really aid the town. His posts seems like general. This quote from him caught my eye though, "You still haven't caught me in the contradiction you "think" you have" why would we catch you in a contradiction. The town has no reason to lie and the mafia has ever hope of not tripping on their own feet. So wouldn't it be anti-town to be caught in a contradiction? For someone who seems to not care who dies and who lives, it makes me wonder why he does not claim to not care if he gets shot since he will then have the gun. Just an observation.

I have three explicit people I want to be shot so I'm not sure how you're saying I don't care who's shot. If you were arguing that I was going for easy reads or something I could almost see where you're coming from but I don't.

And Heartless is accusing me of "falling on my ass" and has yet to explain what that means. What do you think it means if you don't think it means finding a contradiction in my thought processes? Heartless is trying to scumpaint me by making me look like I'm contradicting myself when I'm not.

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Fucking hell next thing you know someone's going to try and put my posts through a python interpreter and scum read me because they get a syntax error

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ok now I'm done

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Meanwhile I've made several attempts to interact with you where I thought you were wrong and instead of working with me to get us on the same page you just let TTH pms all over the thread.

I agree with Heartless about how your buddying of pablito felt off. How come you aren't being a total dickweed to me? Don't just leave me out because you can't think of any sexist insults to hurl my way.

Well the idea is that when I tried to talk to tth she melted down twice and I have no idea why

But the misrep with a dash of high-horse is noted

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Well the idea is that when I tried to talk to tth she melted down twice and I have no idea why

Naaaaahhh that's not what happened. You're the one that broke down during the line of questioning, and now you're trying to pass it off as "Anti not being able to control his crazy woman," which is disgusting.

The attitude is literally right there for everyone to see so you've got balls to post this.

You're so disgusted with this you're scum reading me and not reporting me. Interesting.

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You're right I had no intent to offend tth and had no intent for her to down herself and I do apologize for that. Whatever connotations you see beyond melting down I don't see, but that doesn't mean I can't keep in mind others see it differently, and won't make comments like that in a crowd like this again.

I understand your offense with the comment. I don't understand west's offense. Maybe he's good friends with tth and I didn't know?

I can respond to tth's most recent post in the context of the game if the town so desires, but I agree with her that it's not advancing the game very far.

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I don't personally see maxwell as scum but I don't disagree with the cases on him

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I don't see the slip but he's still scum so whatever

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@Titus you came into this game knowing you couldn't scumhunt in your comfort zone. Can you discuss what's giving you pause in attempting to sort the game from different angles?

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@Titus you came into this game knowing you couldn't scumhunt in your comfort zone. Can you discuss what's giving you pause in attempting to sort the game from different angles?

Ewwwwww......

I am doing that.

I don't see it.

And there's a good chance you're lost town but if you're going to be opaque about it I'm not arguing this as the case

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Also Maxwell is the one that was the most vehement against the Nacho plan of not shooting CB, RC, wanderer, Heartless and pablito. As such, I strongly encourage the five of us to plan to not shoot any of the others at least until 6 total mafia are dead. I'd also strongly encourage all gunbearers to do the same. Maxwell was against the list because, I suspect, he knew all five of us are town.

This paragraph is golden, pab. This is exactly how I feel. I'm sorry if I have been disappointing you with my activity, but I am happy you got us our first good shot.

Suck-up

I agree here. vonflare - what's your read on RC. How about also, what's your read on Titus? Also, what's your read on anyone?

Is it my ego that's pointing out heartless made no note of this buddying

Y/N only if anyone desires to answer

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@redcoyote that wasn't part of a case on anyone it was a discredit to one of the axiom's of the case on me

My only response to heartless is a retraction of my apology to tth

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@red what makes one compliment to Pablito scummier than another?

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That defense was awful and it came after Pablito said he was shifting attention to lurkers

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Flubber, once again, I have no idea what the heck you are talking about. Are you always so cryptic? Why does everything you say have to be a riddle?

You could have just answered the question. I'd rather have a discussion than a lecture.

The bottom line is if heartless's town reads are expressing a similar behavior as their scum reads then something is wrong. Unless you also believe that I can't put good faith in a gunbearer with differing reads than me, or take heavy stock in meta.

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I also used different words with my hi five

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You're calling me mad but replying to everthing I post.....

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The fact that I'm "buddying Pablito"

Crux would have been an apropriate word. Axiom was not

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What do you mean by scum offered a vengeful goon?

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Vonflare has been scum read since day 1. It was more likely to be a bus unfortunately

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CB did I miss where it was confirmed scum have daychat because that implies scum has daychat

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Fuck.

will catch up eventually

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Oh wait there was one page to catch up to

Well in that case fuck it

Shoot: Perpetual Nonsense

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Why did you shoot so quickly?

Why would you challenge conftown

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Damn I'm good

Lol jk now what

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Lucky if you got the gun what would you do with it

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Why did you shoot so quickly?

Why would you challenge conftown

Just because someone is town doesn't make their actions pro-town.

What did you expect to accomplish with your challenge?

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Really because it took how fucking long did it take to shoot vonflare and pn for the sake of discussion

I'm really suspicious of you because of how you sucked around last time I saw you as scum

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*dicked around

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Lucky if you got the gun what would you do with it

Lucky2U is scum. He is basically saying shooting first and asking questions later is a good idea.

I'd shoot this guy first. then I'm not sure... heartless?

Why heartless

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I would rather start clearing out lurkers

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West
Kari
Enomis
Monkey

Current shot list. Bottom is who I want to shoot most. Hopefully WIP

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Visualize a gap between west and the rest

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Monkey You're over simplifying things

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There's more to discussion than its existence being pro town

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You tell me I'm not holding that burden for you

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Okay now how does that start discussion

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Right now I think you're scum over lucky

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Titus other than enomis your scum reads haven't been very clear to me

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Vonflare was a scum read before you replaced in

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shoot: monkey

Best I can do for the sake of interest

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Excellent. So you know monkey's going to flip scum.

Was going to Make a shot off of this but I shot monkey for losing his argument to lucky

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I'm trying to get in the mind of lucky as scum and I can't see a motivation for lashing out only at monkey

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I want lucky to be the shot after this one as one last chance for them to do something productive

Sooo who replaced Enomis....

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Oh hi ika you seem kinda town right now

Fuck.

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Lucky
West

Suzune - Kari

I will I so suzune

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OK, so you think vonflare is too much of a consensus and there's scum in the Nacho-pablito town block. That's what I'm getting.

Who does this implicate, specifically, and how do you get to that?

all I am suggesting is it is odd there is no defense really from vonflame and that everyone is in agreement. It is possible that the mafia is bussing him but, it just seems odd because with the short list constantly changing, it would not be hard to frame another. So the fact that it stays locked and no better cases are presented is interesting to me. I am on my phone right now but I will try to see who benifits most from the death of vonflare.

I was hoping someone else would weight in on my fear. Apparently, it put me under fire.

Suzune keeps waffling over lurkers

Explanation for cb scum read is meh but the rest goes against the grain

Trajectory of the pn read makes sense, but actual interactions seem forced

Part of me thinks I'm unfairly scum reading the posting style subconsciously

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OK, so you think vonflare is too much of a consensus and there's scum in the Nacho-pablito town block. That's what I'm getting.

Who does this implicate, specifically, and how do you get to that?

all I am suggesting is it is odd there is no defense really from vonflame and that everyone is in agreement. It is possible that the mafia is bussing him but, it just seems odd because with the short list constantly changing, it would not be hard to frame another. So the fact that it stays locked and no better cases are presented is interesting to me. I am on my phone right now but I will try to see who benifits most from the death of vonflare.

I was hoping someone else would weight in on my fear. Apparently, it put me under fire.

Vonflare has been scum read since day 1. It was more likely to be a bus unfortunately

I agree with this commentary. It would have been too obvious for anyone to defend him and he failed to make a good case for himself. Therefore, he was too far gone to be saved.

Suzune please clarify your stance on whether or not the mafia bussed vonflare

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Or someone else can speak up if this is another daytalk gaffe

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Excellent. So you know monkey's going to flip scum.

Was going to Make a shot off of this but I shot monkey for losing his argument to lucky

The "argument" had all the authenticity of a WWE match. :\

does it matter? the end results we have right now is that we shot scum

What word begins with an 'a'

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shoot: suzune

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Bah