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Alright, here's what I thought I saw (I also derped because I assumed each doc had a specific element (Water Doc, Fire Doc, Earth Doc) and not a choice which I realised earlier tonight.
In post 216, lane0168 wrote:Yeah, I mean I can see how you'resEeingit, but I'm honestly telling you that it doesn't strike me as jumpy. It strikes me as messing around during rvs. guaranteed he was not legitimately worried about a quick hammer forThat. Now if he would've been like "oh yeah, day 1 quick hammer cause I didn't care about my rvs vote" when flub was pressuring him, that'd be a totally different story
I thought these posts were intended to spell out 'WET' therefore crumbing being a water doc. I'm sure there were more references but in this post;
In post 627, lane0168 wrote:
I'll see if there's more, but I'm not interested in a Papi vote. Bella or senator. as far as I can see Papi was trying ti get hisketchupon while getting pressure from everywhere. That's a battle no one can win, mixed with the WTF wagon... that's messed up for sure
Reading through I liked bbt'sketchupfor sure bit his constant push for a quick lynch scares the Fuck outta me, and his constant... is bbt a her? I'm not sure while I write this so I apologize. But bbts constant attempt to quell conversation is messed too. No idea why bbt busted in with the read through and all of a sudden everyone is perfectly fine with a speed wagon and not talking about shit cause bbtsausso. Way to take control. Bravo, but I've never found that much insistence to speed lynch and stop all who oppose very becoming of town. Why can't you answer simple questions?
Here, I thought he was referencing liquids (Ketchup and saus; read sauce) and therefore providing more back up to his Water Doc claim.
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If somebody knows a PR claim is false I think they should speak up.
For example, if Tracker or back up claimed VT and you know there cannot be 5 PRs I think you should come forward.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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Everyone has claimed and we have 5 PR's.
Looks like scum chose VT.
Dave: PR
Wrong: PR
RMM: PR
Bella: PR
ConMan: PR
Plotinus: VT
FA: VT
BBT: VT
Farside: VT
Senator: VT
Lane: VT
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Spoiler: Day One Votecounts
Alright, couple of things to note;
I don't see scum being on the Papi wagon. I am having a hard time believing Rev, Lane or Plotinus are scum.
Why the hell didn't scum vote RMM when Papi was being run up (VC 1.12)? I have trouble believing FA is scum.
VC 1.13 - I'm struggling to understand why scum were not voting RMM here. It makes no sense, unless he is scum fake claiming. What is important to note here though is if Farside is scum, both her and Flubber are pushing the counter-wagon to Papi. (Note: Once Papi claims, Farside never even thinks about rejoining the Papi wagon; she avoids it like the plague.
This can be shown in VC 1.14 where, when the ConMan wagon breaks down, she jumps onto RMM. Conveniently, the next available counter-wagon. Now scum are pushing a second counter wagon to Papi.
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I have asked that if a PR claimed VT that they come forward.
My VCA is based on all PR claims being true.
I think it points to Farside being scum (which is something I had considered before the mass claim)Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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And RMM? You tried super hard to avoid that Papi wagon.
Lane, why would Scum!Senator sit on a pointless wagon when his buddy is being ran up?
PEdit - I'm not SK. I would have killed you (Can say it's WIFOM, idc. I would have)
I could maybe, at a push see Senator (based on his play, not his voting)
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In post 1389, farside22 wrote:
This cycle of lynching within the vt's and tracking vt's with the doc's agreeing to use different elements can next 2 to 3 players cleared/checked.
No it doesn't. It gets us one and then we possibly have no docs left. So it could potentially only be two.
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Let's wait for everyone to check back in.
I'm starting to think Farside is actually town, which is pretty fucking annoying because I don't know who is scum if all claims are true.
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In post 1396, farside22 wrote:In post 1394, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:We think PR's are known.
If tracker or back up claimed VT early we're in a completely different scenario if they come forward.
You can't be this dumb.
Did you even read the set up?
I'm gonna lose my fuckign shit in a minute.
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OK, now. Here is a scenario for you;
Scum claimed PR (let's say RMM).
Tracker or back up claimed VT (Let's say FA)
FA comes back to thread tomorrow and says 'I claim PR'.
We now have 6 PRs.
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In post 510, FA_Q2 wrote:
Not only can you but you should. However, if they are the same thoughts you have been giving then don’t bother – BBT was spot on when he called you out for not taking a stance on anyone. You continue this trend in every post you make.
You are not posting thoughts that are useful when you state this person could be scum or they could be town. That is pretty well established already – tell us who you think is scum and WHY.
I can go with this lynch today I think. I will vote later though if it looks as though this is the lynch for today.
I would prefer RMM though.
321 was REALLY bad and that has been beaten to death.
In post 357, RationalMadman wrote:I genuinely cannot find a single townslip or scumslip or anything form anyone. This is unusual for me.
Nothing.
Then:
In post 358, RationalMadman wrote:Plotinus' attitude, however, is what I call 'over the top' style of scum-play. The typical tryhard scum attitude. Overdoes any explanation etc.
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In post 359, RationalMadman wrote:But then again tryhards can be VERY useful town members so I really am struggling here.
Takes a stance and then runs from it in the very next post. More nothing.
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Really! No issue with players joining wagons on scummy players but at least have a better reason than because everyone else is doing It at the time.
This runs from a stance much more than Papi does, contributes less and has posted 2 things that make me really think he is scum – runs to a PL and jumps on the first available wagon that might get a lynch without bothering to add any thoughts or agree with anything. Just states yay for bandwagons. Wth…
I still read flubber as slightly scummy but he is not as scummy as these 2. I don’t really agree with the bella scum read, she is null for me. This is mostly based on the last game I played with town bella – the style just seems similar IMHO. Will look harder at bella when I have more time to.
This is an interesting post from FA. Where did your suspicion of Flubber go?
You read Flubber as slightly scummy - yet you started D2 sounding pretty convinced that you thought Flubber was scum;
In post 896, FA_Q2 wrote:
Really because I think that flubber was BLATANTLY scum. Much more than even papi IMHO.
Yes, one mafia and one sk.
There are a few things not adding up here. Your latest stated read on Flubber was 'slightly scummy', this attempt to make your read stronger appear stronger than what it was is a push for town cred I believe.
You then state you will join the lynch (Papi's lynch) if it's the lynch for the Day. But, you would much prefer to lynch RMM instead. Then you joined the RMM wagon. Can you explain your thought process here? Why did RMM suddenly become so scummy? You had posted after 3 of his posts that you quoted you had a problem with, why did you not address the issue sooner?
I think you saw RMM as a good opportunity to stop bussing and push a potential counter-wagon to Papi.
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In post 1430, TheReverend wrote:In post 1252, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I think I know who a PR is.
If I'm right, it confirms me as town because I would have killed said PR if I were scum.
In post 1376, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:PEdit - I'm not SK. I would have killed you (Can say it's WIFOM, idc. I would have)
Check out toffee flailing hard for town cred.
First of all he's obviously not scujm because he says he thought lane was a PR, and lane is alive.
The he tells us he'd have killed farside.
So because BOTH farside and lane didn't die n1, toffee can't be SK.
In post 1382, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Tracker can track me. It would be wasted though.
Here's where toffee says that being tracked would be a waste. Actually it would clear you, assuming that is that you're not scum/SK.
In post 1239, TheReverend wrote:I could be the SK. I'm not pretending that me not being scummy means I'm confirmed town. And if PoE becomes a thing, I'll happily eat rope if it serves the greater town good. Will you?
Here's where I say I'm prepared to be lynched in order to PoE scum.
In post 1241, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:No, I hate giving myself up to be lynched. I'm 100% town, I cannot say the same for anyone else in this game with the same level of certainty.
Aaaand here's where toffee tells us that he'll still fight his lynch even if it serves the greater town good.
Just to really ram the point home, this is a town mindset...
toffee is clearly an anti-town role here. I don't care if we hit scum or SK, it makes no difference to us, and if we hit a baddie today then with only one kill tonight, the docs and tracker are in great shape.
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I already explained that I know I am 100% town and cannot say the same for anyone else. So, just because I'm not willing to let myself get lynched, that doesn't make me scum. You need to understand that people play the game differently.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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Haha, you're not able to see the game from other people's POV. And that's fine. We both know why that is right now.
If by some miracle you get me lynched, you know you're going straight after, right?Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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You should take seriously that I got scum lynched.
You should take seriously that I was looking for scum off the Papi wagon because I didn't believe scum double bussed.
You should take seriously my cases for both Farside and FA scum.
You should take seriously that I am town. I thought this would be evident enough in my play, obviously I was wrong.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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Thanks Rev.
PEdit - I have presented both my cases for FA and Farside.
In fact, I have only just posted my thoughts on FA.
I have also only just requoted all my reasoning for Farside scum after someone requested it.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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This game is taking a strange turn of events.
Kills get halved if we lynch scum, no?
Given that we have two flips and a very good chance of finding scum I'm very concerned that Lane/Rev are concerning themselves with finding the SK instead.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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It's much, much harder to find the SK than scum.
We have scum associations and flips that we can use to sufficiently narrow down the pool.
If you're looking to 'half the kills' you should be looking for scum.
FWIW, Rev is the SK.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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SK could literally be anyone. How many players left, 12? 1/12 chance of finding SK.
We have narrowed down the pool in which to find scum (due to associations and wagons). Are you saying you don't have a better than 1/12 chance of finding scum? Hunting SK right now is bad play.
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In post 1468, TheReverend wrote:
Hahaha! You should be a comedian.
I'm not the SK and I'll prove it when push comes to shove by self voting if my lynch is necessary.
You already made it clear you're not willing to go down quietly, even if it helps town to win.
You're right, I won't. And that's not scummy no matter what light you shine on it. But keep trying.
I'm pretty sure you're SK.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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