Open 606: Near-Vanilla 40k TOWN WINS

[4nxi3ty]

vedith is top town atm for how he engages others.

agree duppin's first post was awkward but I think it comes from town trying to force a situation.

looks like an honest attempt to get a reaction in RVS.

I don't like duppin's posts commencing Ika's vote on him. It feels awkward and rather emotionless. I get the feeling he's trying too hard to not react to it which makes it strange.

VOTE: duppin

I'll sheep.

this has scum taking advantage of a situation written all over it.
And if we're talking about emotions your posts fall on the flat side for me.

vote: Enigma

[4nxi3ty]

weird how?
the "eventhough I'm not mafia" statement?

Do you have something confess buddy?

this was good

imitating your words to get a reaction outta you, I believe

[4nxi3ty]

eehmmmm

duppin (the person standing up for his vedith suspicion independent of everyone else, even when I challenge him on it, not backing down, and pointing to specific problems he has with vedith)

VS.

Enigma (who joined in the duppin hate - maybe because he wants to buddyup with ika, hence the added "I'll sheep", eventhough ika was talking to firebringer, eventhough he already gave a reason to vote so sheeping wasn't necessary, and a reason that didn't do a whole lot for me other than appearing reasonable, not to mention the "emotionless" part was bit of a stretch in describing duppin)

You really think duppin is the better wagon?

[4nxi3ty]

as much fun as this wagon was starting to be

the replace out make this old news

vote: random midget

sharing is caring, what reasons?

[4nxi3ty]

Unvote

I don't actually have a scumread on Random. I just wanted to prod him a bit to talk more.

I do think if he is not scum he is currently a very easy target due to oneliners and the L-2 vote without an explanation.

tbh I'm okay with having a lolzy D1 with an Enigma lynch (I mean we do have some reactions/discussion to his wagon/lynch so wouldn't be a total loss for a townflip mistake). But I don't have much of a line on who else could be scum even with a scumflip, would like to at least chat a tad more.

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Anxiety: why the sudden backing off from Random? Did that vote accomplish what you wanted it to? Did you learn anything from it?

well I was weirded out by how easily I got support for random so unvoted to see who would chime in about it, plus if me voting only got a holding-back-one-liner from random maybe if I gave him some space he'll open up.

meh vote did enough
also on reconsidering random's brashness with "up yours vedith" and the L-2 vote it'd be sorta a ballsy move for scum to make soooo shrug

So what's everyone's top town read?

you, duppin, and vedith are tied for top town

followed by yimmy and ika
(I like yimmy better than ika atm)

Feel like JellyRolls should be up there too for tone alone (he's very relaxed)
but I want to parse future posts from him before deciding that

[4nxi3ty]

Why, do usually get read as scum in games?

cause from my pov your posting has been fairly transparent

[4nxi3ty]

heh

people having trouble telling the difference between playstyle and motivation huh

I wouldn't call your posts fluff really
not-game related ones sure, but they do open dialogue and cause interactions

like seriously your posts scream "Hey I'm town, let's have fun."

if it got to later in the day and all your posts were non entities, then you'd be hiding behind fluff
not the case here: there's been some proactive gamestuff too

[4nxi3ty]

depends
games can vary where you catch scum right away or at the very end

there's a theory that scum have trouble fitting in during the earlier stages so you can pick up reliable reads before things get muddled and scum settle in

[4nxi3ty]

Vote: A Simple Plan

I think his attacks on Random and Hermit are all about going after actions that obviously look scummy on the surface but don't dig deeper into the likelihood of scum actually taking a risk like that.

I think both VT and Cow would be better lynches if we're basing our wagon on inactivity because they never even appeared in the thread.

Giving preferential treatment to enigma here.

In fact he should be reaching the opposite conclusion that at least enigma has posted and people are talking about enigma.

Now I don't know if simple's agenda is to save a scumbuddy or get cred from an impending townflip, but there is definitely something odd about trying to convince others VT and Cow are better lynches.

... Can we get off that please? Everything about this discussion screams "let's break the rules".

^tone feels overworried and forced

Yes it needed to be said, but it's like he is taking the role of "concerned townie" and he found his reason to post something.

[4nxi3ty]

yup yup The Worst spotted it

I could lynch A Simple Plan right now without waiting for replacements

yet I get why others are in standstill mode

@Simple Plan
What's your thoughts on yimmy?

[4nxi3ty]

welp I'm just waiting for the lightbulb to click on a ASP lynch
with the downplaying his own post
changing his own narrative to fit the situation cause he was being attakced for not switching his vote
and the preferential treatment towards Enigma
both being instalynch worthy imo
so I can move onto the next scum
which is probly enigma or juckter or vt
cause everyone else has to some degree a town vibe imo

[4nxi3ty]

hi Titus

what else you got?

[4nxi3ty]

P-Edit:

you wanna lynch me, Anx? Do it.

And tomorrow, look at Hermit. Look at Random. I don't care which, they're both scummy as hell.

"Do it, see if I care."
"Look how town I am by how much I don't care about being lynched."
"Do it."

"Look at these players tomorrow," is something you say to appear tomorrow, cause that's the standard expected play to make.

I've seen Ika quick hammer on page 2 to get out of a day one, and Hermit later replaced into a game only to a) not read the thread, and b) lolhammer.

Were either ika or hermit town in those games (I'd wouldn't be surprised if they were)?

Cause if you've seen that kind of behaviour before from town, your reaction to it happening in this game is really off. Should be closer to "Hey, everyone be careful about placing L-1 votes, I've seen both ika and Hermit quckhammer before."

The bit about not letting him get to lylo feels excusatory.
And it's more akin to propaganda than to figuring out Hermit's alignment.

[4nxi3ty]

I like Vedith as scum and Druppin as town. Vedith I cannot get a feel for him taking a position anywhere.

VOTE: V

Also how did y'all not notice Hermit asked to lynch Doctor Vahlen who isn't even playing while scumreading him?

titus I hope you're not scum

I hope this post wasn't about attacking Vedith cause you knew Hermit would possibly jump ship

while also shining a bad light on Hermit, ASP's current target

[4nxi3ty]

Yeah you're scum. That's a preposterous stretch to say I am attacking someone when I was commenting on the general obliviousness of the game state.

nope

a vote is an attack
no two ways about it

And I said "attacking Vedith"

Your comment about general obliviousness was about hermit not vedith, right? correct me if I'm wrong.

[4nxi3ty]

@TheWorst - I'm not sure why, but I get a scum feeling from you. I feel that you comments are more of a "I'm here, take this information and let me hide" rather than there to actually help us.

this is good

I was hesistant to share my misgivings about TheWorst, with the way his vote is wasting away on Enigma, cause I do like some of the stuff he said and I figured I was just be paranoid.

[4nxi3ty]

expressing incredulity at people ignoring the Hermit lynch stuff does put a negative connotation on Hermit's actions:

"Omg hermit's post was so bad why are people not talking about this."
(I mean compare it to the opposite: "Omg hermit's post was so good why are people not talking about this.")

Maybe this not what you were implying though.
Maybe I interpreted wrong. And this is a misunderstanding.

still I can't shake the feeling that this is all an attempt to save ASP

now I feel like your posts are geared towards distracting/discrediting me

especially when you haven't taken the time to form a position, let alone comment much, on ASP who has been very relevant to discussion in this game.

[4nxi3ty]

to the people townreading Titus
I think she has pulled the wool over your eyes and fooled you

She is a very competent player and should be able to see just how scummy ASP's posts are
And yet she has yet to dissect ASP or make any substantial comment about his play

An ASP scumflip should show just how suspect Titus is by working to move the lynch away from ASP and on to Vedith and by casting doubt on me who has been very vocal about ASP.

As for Vedith I think a player can be defensive, wishwashy, not have strong opinions and can still be town.

I really like Vedith's tone when talking to people, sounds genuine
And I'm not seeing any calculated moves to garner towncred or achieve a mislynch

I see Vedith as someone who is newish to the site and/or mafia and his cautious playstyle comes from that and the fact that it is D1 with somewhat of a slow start due to replacements.

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I take back my misgivings on TheWorst after his response to me. Response was stellar imo.

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SIMPLE PLAN, can you answer this question:

I've seen Ika quick hammer on page 2 to get out of a day one, and Hermit later replaced into a game only to a) not read the thread, and b) lolhammer.

Were either ika or hermit town in those games (I'd wouldn't be surprised if they were)?

[4nxi3ty]

Yimmy, I can tell you right now Hermit is shooting from the hip way too much to be scum here.

Reckless posting is really difficult to pull off as scum. There are some that can but it's rare. Cause it just calls too much attention to themeselves, opens up too much room for mistakes.

Alright 4nxi3ty let's try this.

@Titus, what do you think of A Simple Plan?

hey thanks for trying but if you're not already convinced by what I posted, I doubt this question will clear things up for you

just remember what I said later on in the game, especially if I'm not around and vedith flips town and ASP flips scum

[4nxi3ty]

predit: to hermit


yeah I get scum can imitate
but some stuff ends being harder to copy for whatever reason

most scum end up being too nervous about going all over the place ime
or when they do it just looks so forced

agreed on yimmy
vampirate's replacement and effort has been the bee knees too

[4nxi3ty]

Hermit V 4ity.

Can y'all just resign and we call it a day? #smug

X.X
you resign first

(and I ain't falling for the smug routine)

There's like what 4 days left before deadline?

I'll lynch ASP or Titus today
ASP currently has more support I believe

[4nxi3ty]

mah ASP lightbulb still hasn't clicked on huh

yawn

enigma is probly town

I'm not sure I like the Enigma lynch right now, though.

In particular regarding Enigma, the questioning from 36 and the edit in 37 are sound and come from a similar strand of curiosity regarding Fire's comment.

having trouble seeing who the 3rd scum could be

[4nxi3ty]

me, JellyRolls, Hermit, TheWorst, vampirate, vedith have all expressed suspiscion of ASP in some way

(granted vedith sorta changed his mind due to "Why would scum not vote someone else in the lead" logic [sidenote-why: because ASP was already locked into a hermit vote due to previous posts] But vedith still states he'd vote ASP rather than no lynch.)

With so much suspiscion going ASP's way the wagon really should not have stalled if it was a mislynch (scum would've have pushed that through by now, especially since there's an easy excuse of deadline approaching to join it)

ASP wagon stalled because A)town has spread out in different directions and B)scum have been unwilling to bus.

[4nxi3ty]

oh and random voted ASP too

[4nxi3ty]

so much nope
-_-

[4nxi3ty]

more or less
I might be wrong about 1 of my reads, but I highly doubt it atm

most of those players spread out and switched to others which would be extremely weird for scum to do since they already had a hypothetical easy mislynch to stick with

[4nxi3ty]

It is very easy to call a teammate suspicious while not actually voting on him. If ASP is scum, this is not a case of town spreading out but scum deflecting. They can easily return to the ASP train if they fail to push a mislynch on someone else, since they called him suspicious and then try to gain town cred.

true

but just because scum sometimes call a teammate suspicious and don't vote doesn't mean it happens all the time and anyone who does that should automatically be considered scummy.

that's not what is happening in this game

If ASP is scum, I think your town reads are flawed and I believe the teammate(s) are to be found among the town reads you just gave.

nah I'm fairly confident my reads are boss this game

like seriously if I'm right about ASP and Titus being a team here

my reading accuracy should be trusted
and these players should never be lynched:

hermit, vampirate, firebringer, duppin, yimmy, theworst, vedith

[4nxi3ty]

well fuck me I'm way off this game

gonna try to reset today

vampirate, why'd you decide to give up on your hermit case for the ASP lynch?

[4nxi3ty]

What happened to your Worst read?

Am I plebe for defending vedith yesterday?

very tentative townread on vampirate today.

[4nxi3ty]

Idk idk idk idk about this game

vedith when did you decide it was an okay time to bus the Worst? When you started racking up votes?

ika, what's up?
any thoughts about the game?

[4nxi3ty]

I don't like that after one of your reads is wrong you just sorta stop believeing in the rest.

nah both of my scum reads were horribly wrong
have to do a hard reset

and it's not like I've forgotten those reads
(note how I'm not joining in with the jumping in on Hermit despite the softclaim shenanigans)

I'm just reconsidering everything

[4nxi3ty]

vedith when did you decide it was an okay time to bus the Worst? When you started racking up votes?

Yeah, that's what me and you decided, remember?

hmm I was being kinda serious

what do you make of Worst's post today?
can you re-explain your scumread on worst to me?

[4nxi3ty]

still boggles my mind how

vedith goes from "follow my Worst vote, will not disappoint" -> next day starts no Worst mentioned -> firebringer vote instead for speculative nightkill logic -> Worst not best lynch today

I'll townbloc with ika if it gets him more involved in the game
but I can't promise I'd not be lying if I said I townread him

[4nxi3ty]

also there haz to be at least one scum in the replacements
(weak theory)
there's not enough scumminess popping up imo in the active players for all three members to be alive and kicking it around

[4nxi3ty]

vote: yimmy

ya, actually ya
yimmy's ISO leaves me wanting more, much more

duppin yesterday going into who he suspects if ASP is town/scum was uber uber good, like town who didn't know what ASP actually was

[4nxi3ty]

coming back around to vedith being town again

if this yimmy lynch ends up being a real thing I'd like hear what yimmy has to say about people before the cart gets rolling too fast

Also I second Worst with "Random it's later , time to explain your thoughts more" (eventhough I still don't wanna be wrong about random's early brash playstyle as townie)

[4nxi3ty]

re: vampirate: I think it is too weird of a move for scum to kill titus and then the first thing to do in thread the next day right away is to stick up for those who look bad after the ASP/Titus flips. I think at the very least scum wait to see how town reacts to the nightkill, at least wait to see if they can use those flips for more mislynches.

I really want to rope 4nx though. :s

if you're town you might want to rethink this
if you're scum keep beating that drum

So TheWorst's posts definitely sound good and logical on the surface but my gut twinges everytime I think about how long his vote sat on Enigma. I want to follow that instinct.

Today's post 395 has been bugging me.

The "I don't agree with Titus's scumteam but we should give her reads credibility"
feels middle-of-the-rooadish

And the stuff about Titus not giving analysis stinging feels similar to that one complaining about how bad things are going tell

vote: TheWorst

[4nxi3ty]

Please tell me how you are 'so' town that I should rethink how I feel about my reads? I mean it seems like you and I are conflicting in a few -- not just one or two. I mean what have you done that so shining of beacon of town?

has nothing to do with looking town, or being a "beacon"

I'm telling you upfront I know I am town and I know for fact that your read is wrong, so mhmm might be good to rethink

And I don't care if we conflict on one thing or everything so long as I can figure out why the conflict occurs: whether you're just town who sees the game differently or scum with an agenda

[4nxi3ty]

yep, still think it was a stellar response too
but I'm considering the possibilty that you know how to manufacture a good response as scum

basically I'm following my heart over logic on that one

combining that with your post today about

Woe Is Us Titus Was Killed Before Giving Analysis

and a little strange how you prop up Titus's credibilty while personally disagreeing with her scumteam at the same time

makes me okay with your lynch atm

[4nxi3ty]

sigh, why are people wasting their time questioning hermit.

likely scum would not softclaim like that knowing this type of setup

"Hey let me just put this big red X on myself by fakeclaiming at the start of D2, surely no one will be suspicious of me for it, surely there will be no CC, and won't eventually get lynched for it."

Even if hermit is lying, he'll be found out come massclaim time.

[4nxi3ty]

I'd lynch Random Way Before I'd lynch yimmy.

Yimmy's last series of posts had a certain Fiya behind his tone the kind that comes from town

Random feeling the need to make a massive post could be scum nervousness about not doing enough
while in his next post alll he has is a scumread which isn't actually a scumread
and an excuse to join the popular yimmy lynch

I'd like a pinch more from Mala. I thought the original effortpost from her was good but I'm not sure about her follow up.

hi ppl still board and we get an l-1?

OMG HOW MUCH MORE POINTLESS DICUSSION MUST WE HAVE BEFORE WE CAN JSUT FUCKING LYNCH YIMMY?

The "I'm bored let's lynch" is old hat. Gimme something new.

The way Worst stated his firebringer read was just blah, like he was decorating his post with words.

[4nxi3ty]

ok i have a new avi

heh k
not exactly what I was going for but alright

Do you actually think yimmy is scummy?
Or is it just lynch him cause I'm not townreading him?

So besides tunneling me at this point by Yimmy.
Can anyone point to where Yimmy has been useful?
Like good reads, good posts?

His suspiscion of you

does

sound genuine
And putting the onus on others to give reasons for voting him was decent

Is that being useful? meh.

[4nxi3ty]

unvote, vote: randomidget

[4nxi3ty]

I can't help but feel he's trying to buddy me

I guess I should be sitting back and letting mislynch bait get lynched then

TheWorst: Leaning town I don't really get why some people think he's scum

tsk, tsk

[4nxi3ty]

*sigh* all that buildup for nothing.

^honest reaction to losing townies

The thing that stings most about losing Titus is the fact that Ika hammered while she was still catching up, we could've at least had some analysis.

^scum feigning a reaction to losing townies

Atleast that's the way I currently see it
sue me if I'm wrong

[4nxi3ty]

@TheWorst Nu-uh xD
it's not like I'm breaking new ground here
scum have been doing this since before I've been around

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... ding_Mafia
see the part about day 2 mafia gloating and complaining

you do a decent job with making sure to ask others questions and throwing a read out here and there

but it really feels like you've been hands off this game
letting others decide where the lynch goes (have trouble seeing town motivation for that)

like deadlines approaching and I don't see the commitment to convince others to get your vedith read lynched

[4nxi3ty]

mhmm

scummy != don't have a townread

random is a much better not townread (if you think that's the case) lynch imo

[4nxi3ty]

I actually only agree with you about Vampirate as being scummy.

you'll have to explain this one to me
cause post 352 in conjuction with post 375 looks so far removed from any sort of scum machinations

TheWorst - null-scum but I can't remember why.

try to remember
(also Mala is missing from your read list)
por favor

[4nxi3ty]

blehh why does it feel like Worst is distancing himself from the random lynch while slinging mud at me and duppin, eventhouhg he took issue with random over yimmy earlier

Firebringer is prob town. I haven't seen much from him as I would expect though, but he blames it on inactivity and lack of movement which I can sorta understand. He's usually suspected to be scum, so it was surprising that Day 1 he was let without any trouble besides well, Yimmy.
He's never the most townie looking person ever, trust me.

Firebringer

is on point with what he says about Vedith, at the same time I'm not feeling Firebringer at all today. This isn't even due to his usual antics, I feel like this game he's much more reactive and him buddying me worries me. Then again he's incredibly inconsistent, so there's that.
He does make some good points in that reads post there though. On the other hand, maybe the reason Firebringer makes good points is because he's scum himself with the knowledge, something to think about.

your read on Firebringer is more wishy washy than the Titanic after it hit that iceberg

[4nxi3ty]

vampirate elaborate on some ppl for me plz

[4nxi3ty]

Really frustrated over that no lynch.

I think the scum set it up so that no lynch could be achieved. OTHERWISE they would've achieved a lynch.

Now we start just like Day 2, except down a man. Unbelievable. At least the wagons are still there to give us info.

then shouldn't you be voting vampirate or random, the two potential lynch saves, instead of firebringer

Why oh why does this frustration over nolynching ring so insincere in my skeptical ears

[4nxi3ty]

TheWorst vote yesterday was very suspicious. No idea why'd you vote on random, when a train on him was obviously not going to go anywhere at that point.

Free bussing cred without having to actually lynch a buddy?

vote: Random

[4nxi3ty]

meh

you scummy independently
he scummy independently

me see nothing in ISO that precludes you two from being scum together

and the timing of your random vote could be more than coincidental

[4nxi3ty]

busy weekend be back monday

still don't care for vamp lynch

gonna echo about ika not taking a stance on vamp/random yesterday, sticking with yimmy
kinda conflicts with his earlier behaviour of being bored, not reading, and just wanting a lynch
but I'm not sure if that's just ika being ika

worst is definitely my strongest scumread
while I thik random is realisticly the scumread I could get possibly get lynched
I'll go more into worst later

[4nxi3ty]

lol that's kinda a small wall as they go

and still better than the alternative of nothin happening
which this game tends to fall into

btw still not here yet

[4nxi3ty]

Gonna restate some things

Worst wasting his vote on enigma pretty much the whole d1 to jump on ASP at the end still feels sketch as fuck
And I've changed my mind: I don't think that feeling can be simply explained away by "I made a promise to stick with RVS vote"

re: complaining about Titus nightkill and the nolynch: difference between town and scum is that town doesn't need to say they are frustrated, they just are, while scum want to say their frustrated to look town. Worst comments read like scum who wants to appear frustrated.

Looking through her ISO, Titus was absolutely sure at one point that Vedith, Anxiety, and Hermit were a scumteam. I didn't and don't agree with that, it's something to keep in mind though. For the record, she

was

right about ASP being town, which gives her some credibility; albeit it was solely based on the wagon.

This is such a Follow Titus's Reads Folks
"

I don't agree with her

but Look She Was RIGHT about ASP, And she was ABSOLUTELY sure about this scumteam."

D2 it really feels like Worst is taking some wishywashy stances on firebringer, yimmy, and randomidget. There's like these little caveats he adds to his reads, kinda like he is staying on the fence cause it's easier to hop to either side. I can pull up examples if someone wants me to.

Also in general Worst's post have a calculating vibe that's about making sure to say the "right things"

Hold on a minute, is that a scumslip? Am I insane? Am I going crazy? Why would your put your own name in that list?
The more I read Vampirate's ISO... The more things stick out.

sure that's totally how scumslips work; scum "accidentally/intentionally" put their name in a clearcut scumpool cause their feeling guilty when crafting their post. Your laying it on thick. Are you that desperate for a Vamp lynch?

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VOTE: duppin
Will explain when not on a train.

As for other reads, I null read people screwing around (fire, Constantine, ika)
Yimmy null-scum, the initial wagonning was poor but their refusal to do anything doesn't seem town to me.
TheWorst - null-scum but I can't remember why.
Vampirate is null, will iso them but don't see the hate.

I would choose firebringer over vampirate, but that seems unlikely so
UNVOTE:
VOTE: vampirate.

VOTE: vampirate

yeah the progression of your scumreads is completely natural and doesn't demand an explanation at all <.<

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he means it's been 3 days since he's been in the game and had time to interact and figure stuff out

people should unvote
vampirate's posts these last few days has been sooooo town

I just don't get it
Why are people letting random slide over vamp

he went from duppin case -> vamp null "not seeing hate" -> "choose firebringer over vamp but deadline vote" -> next day duppin and firebringer completely drop from radar -> votes vamp no explanations

And no real engagements with his scumreads (other than some congenial talks with theworst)

[4nxi3ty]

Remind me why his posts have been 'soooooooooo town'?

I mean he lurked the everliving shit out of D2 and now that he's under pressure he's posting more and more and more.

Just look at how he engages a wide variety of players
how he has been attempting to foster discussion

vamp's paranoia about why you were questioning him felt like a unique towny thought process too (eventhough I don't agree with it being iffy)

And that post about not claiming cause he didn't want to give scum an excuse to hammer felt honest as fuck

as for lurking d2, doesn't bother me, I can buy that town sometimes get busy or not involved with games and can be active later

[4nxi3ty]

<_<

[4nxi3ty]

@Anxiety

If (and when) I flip town, how would you react? Would you reset all of your reads again like you did at the beginning of D2? Also have you checked my meta to see how I play yet?

I dunno
I'll cross that bridge when I come to it

If

you flip town

I don't have time to dig through other people's games. Not sure I get why you have this expectation I should check your meta.

What's your ikaread look like?

[4nxi3ty]

You say I act fake, checking my meta would verify that would it not?

probably not
cause my view of your meta would subjective first off
and it is possible for scum to copy meta

It's frustrating to be called "forced" "contrived" "fake" "insincere", when that's actually how you think, feel, and write.
Like honestly, you guys have the same "scum feeling" on me as Vedith did. Didn't even know it could be a legit thing until this game.
And there's no logic behind it, so I can't really defend it besides explaining my thought process

even more

than I already have.

there is definitely logic, at least in what I've posted (maybe you're not seeing it cause your the one being attacked)

wasting a vote on a player being replaced, complaing about a nightkills etc. being a know scum pattern, wishwashy stances are all simple lines of thought to follow. You do see why I'm scumreading you for these things, right?

But this is the first post of yours I liked in a while (emotion wise), so I'm gonna take a step back and reconsider

My

Ikaread

? My Ikaread is fine. His meta makes it pretty clear cut when it's scum ika or town ika, apparently backed up by Mala, FB, etc in meta.
He doesn't really seem motivated in this game unfortunately. Pretty sure he's town though meta aside, considering his brashness and attitude.

see I was curious about your ika read cause of the way he voted/unvoted you today
it felt strange, out of the blue
I thought you'd have some reaction to it...

ika's a dilemma that I want to figure out
At this point I'm not exactly sure how much he is helping the state of the game, in some cases being harmful (ie. staying on yimmy d2, vamp vote today)
I can't seperate: Is this town!ika who doesn't care about shit? or scum!ika who knows he can get away with shittyplay cause that's what people expect?

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in other news random seems to be having trouble forming his readlist
stalling to come up with something fakeable? shrug

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vote blind, take a leap into the abyss

Vamp is around L-2

random's got a few votes, 3 maybe?

no other relevant wagons, no more than a single vote on anyone else iirc

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Why am I obvtown? I'm the one spearheading your lynch.

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not easy in an open setup like this tho

and with 3/11 scum we have some leeway before claims need to be sorted

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Random

Why am I obvtown to you?

ika, firebringer, hermit were null in your other readlist
Why did ika move up to town?
Why did fire and hermit move donw to scum?

huntress was town for catchup
Why is she null now?

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Huntress I'm really not following how you are getting hung up on firebringer and hermit here...

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honestly we should be lynching between random and vampirate

the no lynch yesteryday makes it highly likely a scumbuddy was saved

unless scum decided they didn't want a free mislynch which is uh errr

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actually if both random and vamp are town:

that should mean scum were already on the wagons (at most 1 off)
and town were the reason the lynch didn't go through

borrowing this for a sec:

Vampirate

- 5 (

Malakittens, Firebringer

, Huntress, randomidget,

Vedith

)
randomidget- 3 (

4nxi3ty, St Constantine the Hermit

, TheWorst)
Firebringer- 1 (

Yimmy

)
Yimmy- 1 (ika)

Not voting - 2 (

duppin, Vampirate

)

based on PoE of my townreads scum should be in some form of Random, Worst, Huntress, Ika

Not confident in mala being town but I did really like the way she reacted to me a few times
Wish duppin and yimmy were slightly more active/involved in the game, it's tough trusting my townreads are correct on them otherwise

People still suspicious of hermit at this point is BANANAS B.A.N.A.N.A.S
he didn't claim under duress at L-1 or anything like that to save himself from being lynched, it was at the beginning of the day

Huntress I don't actually have a scumread per say. I thought JellyRolls play was okay but I haven't been super impressed with what she has been posting lately and I comepletely disagree with her firebringer read.

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I probably won't be voting vampirate or firebringer for the entirety of this game just so you know

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i do have him as green

and nah he's town (ppl getting hung up on his erratic playstyle I'm thinking)

@random, did you forget you were supposed to be scumreading vamp? You're talking to him on that last page or so like he is town.

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also yimmy's been missing for a week...needs to be prodded or replaced or something

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ah k cool

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yadayadayada where's a vig when you need one

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Ugh...
I don't like this at all.
VOTE: Randommidget
Scum do me a favor and kill me tonight.

I don't like this post.

It reads to me as scum trying to pretend the current lynch is a bad lynch. Thus if random is a mislynch Firebringer can go "See, I told you so" and soak up the town credit.

This is not a scum post. Vamp is cutting at the support of the counterlynch while his head is on the chopping block. What scum would do that?.

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Lmao this game is so effing borked

Vamp is so much more engaging and healthier for the overall gamestate than random

ya I can be around to hammer this mislynch in a few

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unvote: Random

Vote: Vampirate

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do you think ppl are actually going to show up in time with the way this game has been going?

we needed two votes for random too, not just one

time to stop playing chicken with this game
time to be decisive

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I kinda agree with The Worst here but that's more because of the coincidence that the people I'm currentl suspicious of all happened to be on that wagon.

This is where I'm at atm:

Tier 1 Lynches

Random
Ika

Tier 2 Lynches

Mala
Huntress

Mala and Huntress both almost feel like they're missing at a critical time, playing it low key. (mala moreso than huntress, but I also take issue with huntress' firebringer tunnel)

The Worst's activity during twilight has been good.

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Actually speaking of Mala, she actually seems to have disappeared.

yeah that's my point where is she, stuff is going on?
And the last 2-5 posts from her towards the end of the day weren't exactly amazing in terms of engaging people

random I've already said enough

ika's play is just downright unhelpful and I don't want to lose to scum who's playing to a bad meta so he's up there
there's also been some weird stuff from him like the yimmy vote

huntress I think is the best out of them but the firebringer tunnel makes me wonder if it's just scum keeping a safe scumread in firebringer

Vamp. Who do you think would be scum based purely off of VCs?

you should answer this question yourself too

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And yimmy and firebringer are town for me for they way they got paranoid when I townread them earlier

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gonna stay in the background for a time and a half
let others go their own course
before attempting to steer things they way I want them
kosher?

That was a pretty interesting kill by mafia, considering Yimmy was inactive.

they were probably attempting to dodge doctor protects/worried about replacement coming in

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Nope. You're starting to get me paranoid about you. Although you have been pretty clear about where you stand so I'm guessing all I want from you just now is a reply to my 938.

There's a reason I said "mala moreso than you"
But I still put you up there with her because of not being around to engage with vamp posthammer, which is a "critical time", probably one of the most crucial times that has happened in this game imo
(granted irl inactivity does happen)
basically operating on the premise that scum tend to disappear from thread after a lynch is achieved, cause they got what they wanted out of a day and don't need to fake it anymore.

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okay good

duppin, the worst, hermit, firebringer all sound town in that recent exchange

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this is me staying in the background

oy scumz u gonnah use this duppin v. hermit tiff to your advantage?

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Tbh at least one scum is almost certainly coasting right now.

Why do you say this?

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tbh it might better to fullclaim hermit

it's gotten to a point where it's just a giant distraction

and healthy dayplay usually trumps a single power role, even moreso in this setup

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Because the majority of todays actions have focussed on small groups arguing, so there is no need for scum to get involved.

so then take a stance
Who do you think is scum that is coasting?

the way you say you trust hermit today is clashy with how you talked about hermit yesterday

Explaining your duppinvote as "already had suspicions" is a cop out.
I need to see a re-evalutation of your duppin read based on current events.

vote: randomidget

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shh not interested in your support or vote atm (maybe later)

I'm talking to random all by my lonesome

tho by all means keep talking about hermit's claim
but reduce the traffic about it pls and ty
I want some room to talk about other stuff

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double shhhh

though ika is sorta looking town with now with the way he sighed about post game vindication

predit: it's alrigh no need to be sorry. Just let me do my own thing for the moment, and give me a little breathing room to do it

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Please lynch Duppin or Firebringer with me today

duppin's posting atm is really engaging and pro-active and seems to be sharing honest thoughts and just downright townlooking

Firebringer wouldn't be giving you an out here if he was scum

Hermit not claiming no doubt is annoying me.
But I feel like he is just lying VT at this point.

He was probably trying to bait that NK onto him and it failed hard. Scum probably came to same conclusion I did.

scum would want to leave the door open for lying you to be lynched.

Huntress tunnel on me is so god damn town.

it's really not. Her take on you and questions towards you and questions towards others about you feels sophomoric. Also it reminds of when I was scum asking questions to someone, got ignored, next day I pushed for questions to be answered; like it's a subtle way to imply scumminess on the person who is ignoring you/and such a logical standard way to take with a scumread.

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I mean I understand town ask questions and want answers too. That's just the thought that popped into my head when seeing your posts: very simple by the book play that scum fall into.

Here's the sitch...

I think random is obv scum from the way he minimizes his own in-thread interactions with people and the shallowness of his reads

Mala makes a whole lotta sense as a buddy: had a scumread on random since the beginning: finds avenues to not pursue him

Firebringer, duppin, hermit are without a doubt town
The Worst is close to being there too
And ika just became probably town for me

That leaves you as the final scum from my perspective. So simple questions and an offbase firebringer scumread isn't going to cut it for me.

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hermit fullclaim or I may tempted to lynch you too...-_-

Can you (or anyone) give me a reason for Hermit to not claim? I may be blind or missing something, but I'm pretty sure I've covered it.
I've asked Hermit multiple times to give me a reason, but he refuses to work with me. Both you and Firebringer call Hermit town, which is a read I shared until today. I just can't see his play coming from a town perspective, so I'd really like someone to explain to me why'd it be better not to claim because I don't see it.

hermit thinks scum are less likely to nightkill him if they don't know what his role is (which is silly logic at this point but town sometimes gets head-in-the-oven silly so shrug)

and something something "good reactions" by not claiming (which has pointed hermit in the wrong direction so blehh)

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Interact with me.

so then take a stance
Who do you think is scum that is coasting?

the way you say you trust hermit today is clashy with how you talked about hermit yesterday

Explaining your duppinvote as "already had suspicions" is a cop out.
I need to see a re-evalutation of your duppin read based on current events.

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Part of my problem with him is the way the wagons moved, particularly on Day two, which also gives me a bit of a town read on Random and a lingering doubt about Duppin, Hermit and Worst.

clarify this more for me please; not seeing how the connections are made.

TheWorst is looking not so good. I never did get round to rereading him so I'll have to get on to that.

I'm open to discussing worst. That's the one read I don't trust myself getting correctly due to how widely it's flipped for me over the course of the game.

Mala is null to town. I haven't seen anything to set the alarm bells ringing yet.

The effortpost upon replacing to look town then petering out throughout the game is suspect.

How did Ika just become town to you? He voted Hermit and now he's doing little more than trolling though he could just be waiting for Mala to explain her vote.

the kind of "I'm right, everyone else is wrong, you'll see in the end" attitude that town has:

sigh....

i cant wait for post gae shit t be brought

plus the wanting to chat with mala, get into it, after being voted was okay.

It's not much, but I like where my ika read is atm

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Still don't want to claim. No reason too, and the more scum does not know, the better off town is.

scum already know you're one of two PRs; there's really not that useful info to be gained for them by you fullclaiming.

And they would still have to deal with a jk/doc possibly protecting you cause you would be conftown.

lylo tomorrow between your claim and a cc is a terrible lylo to risk imo

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but it did look like they saw my vote on Fb as a danger to them

This is a great moment from you.
(I have this theory that town behave individualistic while scum tend to fall into group think, e.g. hermit's selfishness today is town behaviour.)

that you think your individual vote on FB is the prime reason for their shift onto random is totally a town moment

I've said my piece. Claiming remains a bad idea, and I can push back any CC tommorow I promise

I don't think you understand the full gravity of the situation: you are about to be lynched

today

, and tommorow scum only need one town voting you to mislynch, and I can guarantee judging by the overall animosity today a town will vote you tomorrow.

Plus the more we focus on you the more the noose slackens on actual scum.

Let go of that pride, please claim already.

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Scth moved down because he is refusing to generate content and I dislike the way he is using his claim.

I don't see scum tunneling as much as scth is.

this change in tune doesn't add up to me
And it makes your suspicions on huntress and ika awkward considering their tunnels.

Anx I'm dealing with a lot of stuff that's not game related. That's taking a huge toll on my activity site wide.

that's cool post what you can
never really liked bringing up someone's activity anyway
I'll still express how I feel rather than leave it unsaid

If your scumreads are hermit, random, ika I will say they don't make sense as a team.

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don't care for that excuse

in post 971 why is duppin's response off and worst's fairly good?

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Err Wot m8
u painting Duppin as a Slytherin while propping Worst up as a Hermoine Granger who answers perfectly
-10 points to house random

(btw ur interactions have been limited to only responding to me since like Tues)

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Who wants to join the wagon?

also no one else wants in on the malawagon?

Not gonna lie These sound like Bussing posts
"Guise join this wagon, look how much I am calling for this lynch" (without taking the time to explain to us why she is scummy)
combined with the enigma votesit and the "I feel better about the slot nao that mala replaced"

(your lack of followup pressure on random when you were ready to lynch him yesterday is disturbing too)

But we can lynch mala first and then go from there

vote: Malakittens

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If no one noticed, duppin/firebringer/huntress have been quite sychronized in their posts

yeah they are all going to get together later at a swimming pool and perform undewater acrobatics and maybe win gold cause their so synchronized

didya see my recent point about huntress being town (I thought it was quite good)

there's some pretty strong associatives going on between random/worst/mala imo

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TY Hermit

I mean, wouldn't it be better to lynch Theworst first then go from there? Instead you're willing to take the easy way out and vote me because it's more "convenient" for you.

nah uh I'm firmly convinced now that you, random, and the worst are scum: it makes sense as individual reads, from associations, and from PoE: it doesn't matter which of you is lynched first: whoever has the most momentum/convenient/easiest is fine by me.

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@ Anxiety:

The only one of those three I'm willing to go for at the moment is Worst.

Hey, sure, drum up support

from what I remember Hermit's one of the ones who has Worst in his possible scum (there might be one or two others too, can't recall atm )
suggest chatting with him, resolving his issue with you, might help supportwise

Those were some interesting reactions.
UNVOTE: Malakittens

*snip*

Who else is on-board with Random lynch besides Duppin and Anxious?

Ja Ja you're right random is the better bus target, mala has slightly more potential to be townread in the endgame

I'm prepared to vote one of those two if it comes to it but I'd rather not.

We

can still lynch duppin guys.

'Ya guise my duppin read is super fantastic, not stagnant at all, not lacking in depth at all since the first time I posted that one "case", include me in the Town-We of lynch decisions'

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heh, reaction test, sure you can use that as an excuse to back off of her if you want

-see I was calling mala scum
-ika was about to get into it with mala (not sure if he thought she was suspicious but the possibilty might arise based on her attack of him)
-duppin agreed with most of my reads and asked hermit about too
-then firebringer votes mala

so you hop on early, y'kno gotta get ahead of a possible wagon there for the cred

mala posts some
huntress and hermit don't want her lynch

you realize mala is currently posting better than random
stands a better chance to escape a lynch
ergo back off

I'm prepared to vote one of those two if it comes to it but I'd rather not.
We can still lynch duppin guys.

it's weird as fuck that you're prepared vote mala or worst considering you were townreading them
instead of bringing up huntress or ika who you thought could be coasting

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*duppin asked hermit about mala too

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of course I joined, I had mala as a lynch option since the vamp v. random debacle

enigma was scummy, the replace out had a weird timing but that could be coincidence

Mala choosing the weaker lynch options, at least that's how I see it, in vampirate and ika when compared to random's play is fishy

The way mala uses meta for reads on ika and huntress feels like a total crutch, like scumher automatically went to the meta cause it's easier to fake.

And I don't like how she attacked hermit today, feels forced. (I mean she is totally right about barking ultimatums except for the part where she turns it into scum motivation)

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Unvote, Vote: randomidget

honestly I'll if he escapes a lynch a third day in a row
this is where my vote should be

Explain to me where you see Ika town? I mean I pointed out him playing to his scum meta and he was like yeah I don't care if you lynch me type attitude because I can see me playing like my scum meta. Not sure how that's even remotely town tbh

already explained my ikaread earlier when talking to huntress

basically I'm okay with his play today and can kinda see an inkling of town even if he hasn't done a whole lot this game

TheWorst is town, would theworst be a dick to me if he was scum?
Probably not.

Therefore town.

Makes perfect sense to me. Next person!

well I've seen scum take the be-a-dick tactic to be town read so shrugz

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but apart from that his suspicions do seem to be in line with my thinking.

that's why I'm hoping you two can get on the same page even if a worst lynch isn't in the cards today (ah but it's probably impossible right now for you two to see what I see about firebringer, one thing at a time)

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cmon, show me the money!

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sheep me plx
my reads have been accurate recently

vote the worst or mala

vote: the worst

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dat's a whole lotta words without taking an actual stance on who you think is most likely the scum who bussed

Hermit, who did you target?

Hermit you don't need to answer this with a doctor keeping you alive

possibly giving scum insight into who you're likely to target
if/when doctor dies then it's better to reveal targets
(or once there is only one scum left)

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srry dude if ur town here but I really don't think that's the case

I think ur mostly blustering (emotional appeal?) in that last post to get me to doubt myself

and the "Scum NEVAR bus like that" is hammy
and let's be honest: at the end of the day you didn't commit to mala or random: you intitially were fency on random and only voted him that no lynch day after momemtum started moving towards vampirate, and your follow up pressure on random is really lackluster the subsequent days, I mean yesterday you had random as scummy but you weren't really proactive in helping that wagon along imo (iirc your vote never made it to random that whole day too)

I'm sorry, am I required to come up with the last two scum right off the bat?

No but I think town-you would have some inkling D5 into the game.

I think this is scum-you keeping options open

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Tss, cmon son

Random kinda feels more like a PL rn now more than anything. Although there's been things he's done like his vote-hopping, naked votes and lack of explanations that bothers me. So he's actually a scum read, but he also does this type of things as town I have seen. Which actually makes him a rather easy mislynch

I get the feeling that

Randomidget

is too easy of a easy lynch... But then again I've been wrong before on that because sometimes mafia has been obvious in tone, and this could be a case. I wouldn't mind his lynch because I also find his bandwagon extremely interesting given how it started with Anxiety randomly switching, then how quickly the wagon starts because of what Duppin, the person Randomidget suspects, said in response to his read. Also noticed that Duppin pretty much said the same thing I said of Vedith.

these fences were so high that Donald Trump wants to use'em for his immigration policies

I believe he claimed Vanilla Townie yesterday when he was at L-1 Ika.

I don't see any claim from him? I guess it's a moot point now but I don't like that you didn't check to make sure. Same goes for Ika. It's not as if there wasn't plenty of time to look back.

^shows that Huntress doesn't know that random will flip scum. Shows that she suspects ika and firebringer just hammered a townie without a claim.

The whole thing about Huntress being scum for not wanting to lynch random and the "we gotta worry about the scum double bus" are conflicting premises. And it's a tad weird that your focussing on Huntress instead of sussing out the busing scum when you yourself brought up the vc pointing to scum being on the wagon.

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All of you didn't want to lynch random until Mala stepped up.

Mala seemed to me more of the kill for scum if she was town since she started the wagon on Random, SO I find that odd.

look at that subtle support he's throwing her way
*slow clap*

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At this point you're just trying for those "Gotcha!" posts, so I'm not gonna bother talking to you if you aren't actually gonna respond and discuss.

Hey that works for me. I was never arguing with you to convince you that you're scum; I was arguing with you to convince others that you're scum. So I'm perfectly fine carrying on this conversation without you.

VOTE: theworst
For blood and glory

^came out of the blue after hermit's vote on TheWorst and vedith explaining his worst-scumread. Then little to nothing about worst afterwards.

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sigh ika and hermit can't you see how all this effort is being put towards huntress and duppin

scum desperately need a mislynch or they get screwed by jailkeeper clears

mala and worst are keeping slight "suspicions" towards one another (see their comments about each other today) while focusing/steering the lynch elsewhere.

The Worst is probably going after Huntress because she isn't around enough to defend herself and its an easy attack: "oooooh she defended flipped scum, much motivation"

Mala goes after duppin because it's easier than going after ika and huntress who she's had exeprience with (and has to meta townread huntress)

They're pushing in two directions, divide and conquer.

C'mon town get on my page, I can't lynch scum by myself.

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huehue awesome 3rd vote plx

worst I doubledog dare you to try claiming doc

[4nxi3ty]

unvote: the worst

hmm hmm hmmm an now we wait

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hold on voting until everyone checks in so we can cofirm if worst is telling the truth or not

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i thought ika was the doc based on his hermit tunnel and asking worst for a doc claim yesterday

welp mb

i like dupping for town, I think random's "case" on duppin was an attempt to sell us a mislych on a townie

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Anx have you even read my case on Duppin....?

yep, I disagree with it, decided to focus on my worst scumread than to pick at it
(I can go into why later)

as if a doc would tunnel JK.

he didn't claim JK at that point tho. Doc would want to pressure a potential-scum-trying-to-coast-on-a-softclaim. And it was a decent explanation for ika's earlier lurkage and vt claim

well at least I know I can work with you now instead of against you

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Are you talking about this?

yep, I disagree with it, decided to focus on my worst scumread than to pick at it
(I can go into why later)

The 'I can go into why' is not referring to you, it's about my disagreement with Mala's scumread that I want to explain later.

Basically I only have so much time in the day for mafia and I chose to push you rather than take time to defend duppin, hence not acknowledging her case

I can't really parse through every point mala made atm but boiling down: I've been townreading duppin since the very beginning when he didn't back down on his vedith suspicion, and that town read got reconfirmed after seeing his above and beyond engagement in the thread yesterday when we were kinda in a state of apathy, and then duppin's and rm's interactions makes literally zero fucking sense as scumbuddies imo, especially have a hard time seeing random making post 585 about a buddy.

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(I actually like mala's passion about her scumread recently tho)

(leaning towards ika huntress as scumteam but I dunno I'm doing a major fucking mental dance about who is scum since being wrong about worst and may need to take a quick breather from this game)

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hmm? what are you trying to say?

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worst, we've been jerking that circle all game

remember?
there's been plently of times were I go into my scum read about you
and you get flabbergasted that I could possibly be scumreading your actions

obv I was wrong but that doesn't mean you were infallibly town and I that I shouldn't have had suspicions of you in those moments

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but it's not like my scum reads we're based soley on associtatives, I looked at individual actions and PoE too, and that's what made the most sense in my mind at the time

(it's really starting to get annoying that I have to justfiy my scumread to you when it's proven that scumread is wrong, like I wanna move on from it, but I gotta deal with your paranoia from being attacked)

Think about it I put a ton of effort into lynching random, on par with everyone else or moreso. Not only that but I was pressuring him to share reads, talk, interact with others, in a bid to possibly reveal his buddies.

---

Ika, I haven't really seen you give a read on huntress's slot all game?

and no saying you like mala's meta or worst's case - I want to see an original thought from you about huntress

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But he did back down on his read of Vedith, later saying his vote on Vedith had been a reaction test (589). That was the post where he made a weak push on Random, saying it was "more interesting" but then withdrew the vote a few posts later after the wagon on Random grew.

Really? That post was made almost a whole month after his initial vedith back n' forth. He definitely didn't back down when the stuff was happening.

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OLD HAT IKA

Ika, I haven't really seen you give a read on huntress's slot all game?

and no saying you like mala's meta or worst's case - I want to see an original thought from you about huntress

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^Mala I'm hoping you see the towniness that's present in duppin's last post

So what "stuff was happening" in that few hours that gave you such a strong read on him?

"stuff happening" refers to his interaction with vedith and myself. It just doesn't fit for scum still newish to the site to make that move to me who's been around the block. Tonally it just makes way more sense to come from town: "You don't find that interesting?" ("you should" being the implication)

the early game exchanges he had felt like town trying to figure people out.

Pretty sure now ika's scum here. Not seeing any world exist where he could be town. The "LET'S Lynch" routine feels increbibly stale

Mala sounds so genuine recently in her belief that duppin is scum

Not liking how ika and huntress slid into a duppin/anxiety team push after hermit and worst expressed paranoia about me.

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Hey, my paranoia about you started back in 955.

that's true

I dunno dunno dunno

I think both you and mala are capable players of fooling me either way

it's either you and ika or ika and mala
so ika would be my preferred lynch

right now both confirmed towns and my strongest townread are willing to vote you
so it's really really compelling to just follow their lead

btw where's worst and hermit at? 5 days and counting.

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I just did the math and scum in fact autolose if one gets lynched today
even if the last scum managed to kill both PRs and avoid being lynched to lylo there would still be two confirmed town thanks to JK clears

Operating on the assumption scum also worked this out and know they can't afford to bus...

with the last two votes ika can't possibly be scum with either mala or huntress

Two groups of people have been townreading each other

Mala and Huntress
Me and Duppin

Since I know I'm town scum has to be mala and huntress

Game solved?

Vote: Huntress

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well it has been what like 10 days and pushing for the duppin lynch isn't exactly panning out, huntress is still on the chopping block, moving onto ika after seeing support from me is plausible

[4nxi3ty]

Is she at L-1?

worst isn't voting atm so L-2 I believe?

well it has been what like 10 days and pushing for the duppin lynch isn't exactly panning out, huntress is still on the chopping block, moving onto ika after seeing support from me is plausible

Ahhh nice play putting all the marbles on ika, if you're right it might've paid off. Unless you were being honest in suspicion of ika, unintentionally doing that. or if you're scum.

Othewise, a better version of my mala push I suppose.

Let's just pretend I'm that clever.
No I actually thought ika was scum, but it does help to re-evaluate and pay attention to what's going on in the game.

[4nxi3ty]

That doesn't quite follow but I'm not going to explain why as it may help scum.

yes it does
Lynch scum today: 5t v. 1s and 2 confirms
scum kill doctor: 4t v. 1s still 2 confirms cause kill means whoever was jk'd is cleared
myslynch next day: 3t v. 1s (jk announces jk target that day)
scum kill jk: 2t v. 1s and both town are now confirmed thanks to previous night clear and jk announcing target to clear the other town

Even if scum try to no kill to setup mislynches that means their still leaving jk alive and process of elimination will just get to the point where it's 2 confirmed vs 1 scum going into the night and JK just stops the kill and scum gets lynched the next day.

[4nxi3ty]

^this

ika you can hammer too
let's end this game already

[4nxi3ty]

Lylo's next Day, not this. You can't win just yet.

I don't think it will be but whatevs

(If you're scum this is it you lose. If you're town you still probly lose cause hermit will be bullheaded about lynching duppin and worst will be too paranoid of me, gameover 1 town votes wrong. FeelsBadMan. This whole game was iffy for me though: lynch wrong D1 when I thought I was so right, no lynch nextday, apathy apathy apathy deadline lynches, and now this day which is just uhhh, and let's forget I almost lynched the doctor.)

[4nxi3ty]

i liek how hermit's and worst's paranoia about me comes from a place of he's playing too well.

(little do they reallize I've been playing on and off, barely one game at a time, and rarely a second, for some time.)

honestly this game would go so much more smoother and simpler if worst and hermit realized scumteam is in huntress, mala, ika

liek seriously liek me and duppin's interaction with random would be so absurd to come from scum: random was limiting his inthread content and the two people random talked to/about the most were his buddies? yeah, right, that's how scum play mafia.

this isn't some mastermind axis of supervillains with complex maneuvers game

[4nxi3ty]

maybe but I highly doubt random is that way

[4nxi3ty]

that'll fool'em

sigh

my kingdom for a scum lynch

[4nxi3ty]

man doc/jk is such an op endgame combo