Open 616: Fire and Ice (Game Over)

[Sharky5x]

cool

VOTE: Not_Mafia

[Sharky5x]

Found one scum team.

VOTE: Sharky

he's on to us

[Sharky5x]

VOTE: lilith
RVS voted 3 times in like 10 posts

[Sharky5x]

I acutally like playing with familiar faces. The more, the merrier!

Yeah let's lynch Diego

VOTE: Diego

That was fast. What do you make of his explanation?

2/10 not enough explosions

Random's town.

Explain.

I thought claiming L-1 was a good try at catching scum off-guard and maybe making them spill their guts. Low chance, sure, but I liked the move.

@lilith on a scale from 1-10 how anxious does it make you feel when someone votes you? Be honest with me.

how is claiming L-1 going to catch scum off guard? Like even if they somehow claimed l-1 at around l-4, they would still claim VT. I don't get it.

[Sharky5x]

How do you know what scum would claim? Are you one of them?

that makes no sense at all. you realize there is only one pr in this setup, right? the whole fake l-1 may have a good intention but it just isn't ever going to work.
what do you think about diegos even more far fetched case?

@lilith on a scale from 1-10 how anxious does it make you feel when someone votes you? Be honest with me.

I'm confused because Fire/Vedith voted me for "reasons X and Y," and I can't tell whether they're just trolling or not? I don't think I've played with Fire before so.. I guess it's just trolling.

you are killing me

[Sharky5x]

It was a joke...

Mafia's serious bussiness, don't you forget that. Lol

that doesn't mean you should take everything 100% literally

[Sharky5x]

I hate RVS, so I'm just warning you that I won't really say much, nor read much until tomorrow, when I expect RVS to be over.

This has been another playstyle note by DiamondSentinel!

Thanks for reading!

you're being less useful than lurkers
surely there is some stuff you could have made something of

It was a joke...

Mafia's serious bussiness, don't you forget that. Lol

that doesn't mean you should take everything 100% literally

Oh the irony

>takes joke literally
>jokes in non literal way
oh sorry I didn't realize you're the only one allowed to post nonsense

[Sharky5x]

Not too much for the first 3 pages going on apart from people being petty.

random seems town.
Jester is town
Diego I'm thinking town.

"not much for the first two pages"
*one townread and two townleans*
explanations pls

[Sharky5x]

you are killing me

Hi do I know you

you assumed he is trolling because he voted you for reasons he doesn't want to share

...

no one here knows me so no

[Sharky5x]

I overuse wording like "make a case" srry

diego may have possibly just done something stupid rather than scumslipped or anything, would like to move on from it. so many people jumped on him its kinda odd

[Sharky5x]

Sharky, do you think there's scum on Diego's wagon?

while I think he could equally be a misguided townie as weak scum, I can understand voting him, as the question was not useful in any way and could be contrived as scum wanting to appear like he's scumhunting. I do think scum on his wagon is a possibility, but I'm not going to bank on that just yet

If someone is at L-1 and gives me a decent reason for voting, then I will vote. Otherwise, I will not be voting anytime soon.

why?! is the first day so pointless we shouldn't gather any information on it whatsoever?

how bout we put you at l-1 for "no participation"
decent reason enough?

[Sharky5x]

@Sharky why don't you vote him then?

I checked the one other full game he played on this site. he was active, just took him hella long to vote anyone. I still disagree with his view and I want to see his response to my post

[Sharky5x]

Well since I'm town, I think we should lynch Apricity.

@Apricity, are you scum? Just admit it, you'll feel all fresh and relieved after all.

why apricity over not_mafia

[Sharky5x]

why apricity over not_mafia

Do you have a view on NM?

-Vedith

no. jester does though. (or has a scumread on apricity)

[Sharky5x]

I forgot about this game until I got the PM, and I'm having a hard time getting in to it.

>(re)read first 4 pages
>done

[Sharky5x]

Sharky, do you actually have views on anyone that you can share, or are you just trying to discredit anyone you can?

im going to discredit all the crappy reads I want thank u very much
however ill share that my vote on you is well placed as of right now, perhaps you could talk me out of it

[Sharky5x]

lilith finally posted. I wanted to see if she'd get defensive / ignore me or whatever. she acted like i didnt say anything, probably more likely to be town than scum
UNVOTE:
VOTE: itlepip
after being pressured by vedith you immediately do the oppurtunistic thing and go for the person who voted without explaining (with it turning out to be a reaction test)
noice

[Sharky5x]

lilith finally posted. I wanted to see if she'd get defensive / ignore me or whatever. she acted like i didnt say anything, probably more likely to be town than scum
UNVOTE:
VOTE: itlepip
after being pressured by vedith you immediately do the oppurtunistic thing and go for the person who voted without explaining (with it turning out to be a reaction test)
noice

I WAS ALREADY VOTING YOU! Unless you really don't want to explain your read you are so proud about and are hiding it behind this OMGUS, I have no idea what you are doing.

wat read are you talking about exactly
you unvoted then voted again to make it a serious vote.. right? otherwise i have no idea what you are doing either

[Sharky5x]

lilith finally posted. I wanted to see if she'd get defensive / ignore me or whatever. she acted like i didnt say anything, probably more likely to be town than scum
UNVOTE:
VOTE: itlepip
after being pressured by vedith you immediately do the oppurtunistic thing and go for the person who voted without explaining (with it turning out to be a reaction test)
noice

I WAS ALREADY VOTING YOU! Unless you really don't want to explain your read you are so proud about and are hiding it behind this OMGUS, I have no idea what you are doing.

wat read are you talking about exactly
you unvoted then voted again to make it a serious vote.. right? otherwise i have no idea what you are doing either

yes, that was it, why were you OMGUSing a vote that was already in play? Answer my question please!

"Yes I voted you again to make it serious"
"Why did you OMGUS a vote already in play?"
clearly it wasnt already in play
"wat read are you talking about exactly"
i kinda need you to answer this to answer your question m8

Anyways, read list from last 2 pages.

The Jester is either town, or wolf among more sheep-like wolves. He seems very up-front, and this is usually associated with town. However, I also make sure to keep in mind the opposite, as my first game went terribly after I town-read 2 of the scum because they acted TOO townlike.
My Other Head Is Scum is acting townlike, but in a buddy-ish sort of way. That makes me VERY cautious of him. I'm not sure about him at all. He's in a null-scum for me right now.

I honestly think random, itlepip, and Sharky are all scum. Their interaction is just ridiculous.

i dont believe i've ever interacted with random directly lol

I'm not saying I won't vote. But on day 1 especially, I am very cautious with my vote. I realize this is the least worrisome time to use it, but I am still cautious.

WHY! Did you read the post, in the meta on this site withholding your vote is scummy and doesn't help town, what evil thing can happen to you if you vote on your scum reads?

diamond is anti-town, not scummy imo. he could be scum, he could not be.

[Sharky5x]

itlepip what am I explaining to you then? honestly m8 defuq do you want from me? I did that post as a stunt to see what lilith would do, you can choose to believe that or not

as for the updates on diamond I still don't want to vote him. yes, I agree he is very anti-town and a lot of his ideas about how to play this are wrong. I still think he could be a seriously confused townie. pls do not let this day end early via quicklynch.

[Sharky5x]

stop voting diamond ppl, his newbiness isn't necessarily scummy.

[Sharky5x]

Why do you think newbiness is more of a town trait? It can be easily faked.

necessarily

[Sharky5x]

Why are you townreading him then?

his newbiness isn't necessarily scummy.

why are you misinterpreting me
thats not even a townlean

[Sharky5x]

See, now you're saying "I don't think he's scum but I'm not saying he's town". Which is weak cause you told us not to vote him, even though you've admitted he's acting anti-town. So what's your final stance on him?

wtf
if I think someone has a 50/50 town/scum, and pretty much the entire game votes him in 3 pages, I shouldn't be worried?

you are also saying "anti-town = scum" which is so so wrong

pedit: LOL my record is almost as bad as jesters mate, just because im helping you out doesnt mean I have better judgement

[Sharky5x]

I guarantee there is scum (if diamond is scum then scum of the opposing faction) on that wagon.
it hurts me how easy of a target he is

pedit:
cool story jester

[Sharky5x]

Sharky was nervous to appear to lead my wagon and now he's whiteknighting you. Do you agree?

defuq are you talking about

diego may have possibly just done something stupid rather than scumslipped or anything, would like to move on from it. so many people jumped on him its kinda odd

I never even voted u or expressed that I wanted to (which I didnt), all I ever said is that your question at the beginning was useless

[Sharky5x]

i almost wish i hammered diamond while i couldve, this is ridiculous

[Sharky5x]

yes because as scum if i get voted one time i immediately give up and shitpost

itepip is scum
diamond is either really newbie scum "Yeah, might as well", or newbie town trying to actually play and fit in
by the way you gotta spell my name right for it to count i believe

[Sharky5x]

yes because as scum if i get voted one time i immediately give up and shitpost

itepip is scum
diamond is either really newbie scum "Yeah, might as well", or newbie town trying to actually play and fit in
by the way you gotta spell my name right for it to count i believe

Why wouldn't I vote for you there, I have always been scum reading you.

wtf does that mean

[Sharky5x]

nvm it means you would get the courage to vote as soon as someone elses agrees im scummy

[Sharky5x]

You proved your own point with the shitpost thing...

if im scum you mean, which im not. you cant use the word "proved" with opinion and educated guessing

[Sharky5x]

not to mention that wasnt even a point, that was making fun of how you came to the conclusion that my post is scummy. youre doing a great job on the scumhunting thing, amirite?

[Sharky5x]

not to mention that wasnt even a point, that was making fun of how you came to the conclusion that my post is scummy. youre doing a great job on the scumhunting thing, amirite?

He found scum, so he is doing that part right at least. Your entire game

has

been just shitposting, so what Diamond says isn't too much of an insight, but if you don't want to be the lynch today you'd better actually explain your thoughts instead of just 'lol, I'm town, people who think I'm scum are scum. How can you guyz not see how super towny I am lol'

I don't really see you as scum, i didnt even know what your reason for voting me was prior to this post. itlepip gave up on me (with a "I still think sharky is scum") for an easy mislynch in diamond. that is until you voted me and diamond calls something I said scummy, then he hops on the opportunity. not to mention how terrible diamonds reasoning was, i dont see town!itlepips thought process here

[Sharky5x]

omfg I just misread itlepip as randomidget. fml.

[Sharky5x]

281 was for randomidget.. im pretty much done here now

[Sharky5x]

Notice how he kept the gamestate in a place that seemed like I just gave up as scum? :I If I get lynched for that dumb mistake and yall dont lynch itlepip after that ima be pissed

[Sharky5x]

Notice how he kept the gamestate in a place that seemed like I just gave up as scum? :I If I get lynched for that dumb mistake and yall dont lynch itlepip after that ima be pissed

I'm fine with you getting lynched and then crossing that bridge when we get there.

sounds good

watch as he plays it off tomorrow by talking about how terrible i am and how it really was just because im so anti-town

[Sharky5x]

Notice how he kept the gamestate in a place that seemed like I just gave up as scum? :I If I get lynched for that dumb mistake and yall dont lynch itlepip after that ima be pissed

I'm fine with you getting lynched and then crossing that bridge when we get there.

sounds good

watch as he plays it off tomorrow by talking about how terrible i am and how it really was just because im so anti-town

Yeah, you do know what the expression crossing the bridge when we get there means? Cause lynching scummy people isn't scummy.

make a post detailing all the scummy things ive done then i might retract that.
oh wait who cares what i think im going to die anyway

[Sharky5x]

I shouldn't have been posting yesterday, was seriously pissed about something irl.
Take that as an excuse for scumtell/towntell or whatever, but it's true.

I notice Diamond is online. Care for a discussion?

[Sharky5x]

What are your current reads, lurkers and all? No need to give reasons for them if you do not want to.

[Sharky5x]

I didn't see what Diego did either, and I didn't like how people were voting him early on.
Jester is a light townread for myself. What do you mean by pinging, exactly?
What alignment was Shinobi that game?
Random hasn't done much of value, aside from voting me for a vague reason that I wish he'd elaborate on.
Lilith is a good townread for me.
My problem with itlepip is how he voted me. He set me aside early on to go for the easy lynch on you, then came back as soon as you remarked my shitpost was scummy.

[Sharky5x]

Oh, I forgot what I meant by "lurkers and all".
Would you say lurking is indicative of alignment? We could go yapping about everyone that is posting yet ignore the people that are mostly just watching that occassionally come back to post fluff, maybe a read, etc.

[Sharky5x]

I haven't really understood anything randomidget has said about anyone really. I'm not so sure about "causing chaos" though.

Pedit:
280 is random dodging liliths question with some nonsense (that or it's just me that doesn't understand what he's saying)
296 Ehh depends on the definition of vibes. He could mean off of gut reads.

[Sharky5x]

(you)- react to any scum accusation with 'lol no you are scum'

Correction: Your scum accusation. I townread Diamond and nullread random. It's just you, and that was pretty clear. Over-generalization.. check. Got anything that doesn't comment a fallacy?

I was always intending to go back to your wagon once Diamond started giving reads

I'm also calling BS here.

Holy shit, you guys are comedy gold! Maybe I should just stick to theme games. I'm already sucking at first non-theme. Anyways, how about you guys not lynch me and do some actual scumhunting. That'd be nice, please and thank you.

VOTE: Diamond
VOTE: Diamond
VOTE: Diamond
VOTE: Diamond

"Hey guys, please don't vote me. Thanks! I know you have some questions for me, but I think it is better to just ask to be townread then actually address any of you, Byeee"

[Sharky5x]

I was a bit confused there. You mean the last thing I quoted from itle in my post? i.e.

I was always intending to go back to your wagon once Diamond started giving reads

Holy shit, you guys are comedy gold! Maybe I should just stick to theme games. I'm already sucking at first non-theme. Anyways, how about you guys not lynch me and do some actual scumhunting. That'd be nice, please and thank you.

VOTE: Diamond
VOTE: Diamond
VOTE: Diamond
VOTE: Diamond

"Hey guys, please don't vote me. Thanks! I know you have some questions for me, but I think it is better to just ask to be townread then actually address any of you, Byeee"

Do you find it scummy for the same reason I do, or something else entirely?

Also, how do I seem scummy yet also seem more pro-town than some others on here (in your opinion)?

[Sharky5x]

You say scummy things, but you are also working to help town, it seems.

By scummy things would that include

i almost wish i hammered diamond while i couldve, this is ridiculous

After the events of yesterday, I came back online mafiascum to see that the game is shifting to lynching me after when I could've hammered you. I was very frustrated and proceeded to shitpost.

"I wish I would've killed you" seems like a pretty stupid thing to say as scum, but then WIFOM gets involved and I ain't messing with that.

As for working to help town, I was about ready to give up yesterday but I decided to take off for a day instead. I see now that I can't let myself get lynched and take away a chance to lynch scum. Not happening.

[Sharky5x]

I guarantee there is scum (if diamond is scum then scum of the opposing faction) on that wagon.
it hurts me how easy of a target he is
pedit:
cool story jester

Can you explain this further?

-Vedith

DiamondSentinel - 5 - duppin, My Other Head Is Scum, The_Jester, itlepip, Diego1487 - (L-2)

+ Lilith voted after the VC
Explain how an easy lynch target that gets 6 votes that quickly has scum on the wagon in a game with 4 scum? It isn't obvious why I think there is scum on the wagon?

[Sharky5x]

Explain how an easy lynch target that gets 6 votes that quickly has scum on the wagon in a game with 4 scum? It isn't obvious why I think there is scum on the wagon?

But why would there be scum on the wagon only if Diamond is scum?

-Vedith

He didn't say only if I were scum. He said EVEN if I was scum.

[Sharky5x]

I guarantee there is scum on that wagon. That includes town. The parentheses say if Diamond is scum himself then there is scum of the opposing faction. Why are we even wasting brain cells talking about this?

[Sharky5x]

I would appreciate if duppin would post more than a measly 15 times.

Why no mention of Random (11 posts), Apricity (7 posts), ASP (4 posts), Wanderer (3 posts), or NM (3 posts)? Why do you care about duppin?

Probably because duppin posted recently so he came to mind first? I completely forgot about ASP and Wanderer tbh xD

[Sharky5x]

I guarantee there is scum (if diamond is scum then scum of the opposing faction) on that wagon.
it hurts me how easy of a target he is
pedit:
cool story jester

Can you explain this further?

-Vedith

DiamondSentinel - 5 - duppin, My Other Head Is Scum, The_Jester, itlepip, Diego1487 - (L-2)

+ Lilith voted after the VC
Explain how an easy lynch target that gets 6 votes that quickly has scum on the wagon in a game with 4 scum? It isn't obvious why I think there is scum on the wagon?

If there are two scum factions, any wagon with 4 or more is statistically likely to have scum on it somewhere just because if you pick more 2-3 people randomly from a hat, there will probably be scum there. I am sick to death of this 'there is scum somewhere on this wagon' when it is a full wagon because it is factually true but isn't actually a read because stats, but sounds like a read. If you want to go that route look at why people voted or other stuff, but don't try to pass 'there is scum somewhere' as an actual read or insight into the game.

Are you saying I am just going by the stats? Diamond was an easy mislynch that people latched onto. I find it suspicious.

Pedit: Diamond was/is making himself look bad. I still townread him, though.

[Sharky5x]

I can see newtown!Diamond acting this way, but I can also see newscum!Diamond acting this way.
;-;

Reaction tests are shit. But it seems you don't realize that.
You'll see though. You will all see.

Could you elaborate what this means, please.

[Sharky5x]

Whiteknighting all day...until recently when he's received pressure because of it...funny how that works out.

None of the votes on me are there for whiteknighting Diamond, that's rather weak.

[Sharky5x]

Time to talk about how jester probably wasn't even reaction testing?

[Sharky5x]

Why would we ignore active scummy players?

[Sharky5x]

Exactly my point, Sharky...

No it isn't?

Also, @ASP, I'm simply saying that right now, we can ignore them. We will deal with them later, but Day 1 isn't the time to.

[Sharky5x]

Nevermind.. you are wanting to ignore the lurkers whom are not necessarily scummy in your opinion.

Who are the active scummy players?

[Sharky5x]

@Diamond You have no case on Jester. Stop.
@itlepip My reads haven't changed since the time I posted them.
@Diego If you think scum is comprised of lurkers why are you okay with lynching me? Aren't you helping town self destruct?

Before I'm lynched I would like to stress you cannot just focus on the lurkers for scum. Looking at the wagon on me would be a great start, there's no doubt in my mind that you will be able to lynch scum tomorrow. Forcing the lurkers to post is good, but I can't see more than one or two of them being scum.

[Sharky5x]

If that's no case, then I want to know what the hell a case is.

All I'm getting is "Jester is scum, it's so obvious, how can you not see it?"

[Sharky5x]

I'm not being scummy. You are.

I'd have to disagree, you are scummier than ASP. Unless you are saying his general inactivity is scummy.

[Sharky5x]

@A Simple Plan

My scumreads would be itlepip and MOHIS. I'm not as sure about random since I've never played with him before.
Diamond and lilith are in my townpile, with a townlean on The_Jester.

I'm interested in hearing duppin and Apricity..

[Sharky5x]

For 477 not too much to say. The Sharkey read was pretty terrible in my opinion, fine and dandy if you think you can see where as post is coming from, but that does not make someone town. Personally I have found that giving up is generally scummy, and Sharkey still has yet to make a substantive post. Based on the last 'readlist' Sharkey looks to be sheeping you, which makes sense from a survivalist point of view. The problem is that Sharkey really has been as useless this game as Not Mafia, but posts a lot and makes it look like they are contributing. There has to be a limit of 1v1 threats and other posts of similar quality before someone is a lynch target. This entire post is just saying things that are anti-town are town tells, which is really dumb. When someone's entire game is survivalism and OMGUS, they are 80% scum and not helpful to town in any case.

You may have noticed I decided not to give up so you can remove that out of your read explanation.
Survivalism? Because I have similar reads as ASP? And you are basing half my anti-towniness off of that? I don't see why you find me anti-town yet are completely fine with players that try to be flippant, i.e. randomidget.
Not to mention you write all of my reads off as "OMGUS", very distasteful.

This is the most apathetic game of all time. Can we just lynch someone?

Feet seem to be getting dragged on my lynch, perhaps we should get someone else?
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[Sharky5x]

This is the most apathetic game of all time. Can we just lynch someone?

Not_Mafia posted! It.. has no content whatsoever..
Who do you want to lynch then jesus christ

If it's me forget I asked

[Sharky5x]

@lilith Random wants it to come off as bored townie that wants the day to end (hence 489). Whether this is true or not..

Why is Diego scum, Not_Mafia?

[Sharky5x]

He didn't say he thought I was scum. He said he wanted me lynched. There is a difference.

While there can be a difference, what do you think it could possibly be in this situation?

@lilith Random wants it to come off as bored townie that wants the day to end (hence 489).

Sounds like you think Random isn't town and wants to seem town.

Notice how I said "whether this is true or not..", which you cropped off my post to distort it a little bit. He wants it to come off that way, as townie or scum. I was explaining why he voted Diego so quickly without reason.

[Sharky5x]

Oh my god I've started something -m-
I meant that it distorted the post, not that you distorted it on purpose. I disagree with "the rest of your sentence is irrelevant wishywashiness", whether its wishywashy or not, it still means I think it could be either way.
Random seems a bit oppurtunistic there.. why is lilith scum if Diego is scum?

[Sharky5x]

You were voting Sharky because you were scumreading Sharky, why would you not try to push that scumread?

Because my wagon was going slow and random is a bored townie / wants to look like a bored townie.

[Sharky5x]

I still think it's scummier that random just happened to jump on the wagon as soon as NM said he wanted to lynch Diego.

If you find that particular reason scummy why didn't you jump on itlepip when he did that to me?
Also,
VOTE: randomidget
Until Not_Mafia tells me why to lynch Diego.

[Sharky5x]

Diego is at L-1 I believe. I can be on later today, so I won't hammer just yet.

[Sharky5x]

Now yall see my way of thinking

random wagon ho .3.

[Sharky5x]

VOTE: randomidget
Fire Mafia right here

VOTE: jester
That jump at the end of the day was shady af.

Explain how it's shady. I don't find anything wrong with voting for the scummier of the two lynch candidates. You are just trying to start a wagon with Diamond's insane read on Jester to help it.

[Sharky5x]

Interesting. So Doctor knows the Ice Mafia kill.

I'd advise you don't talk about NK(s). Only helps scum.

[Sharky5x]

It was shady because there was no way I was being lynched. All his vote did was add a chance that diego wouldn't be.

Why couldn't you be lynched?
So you are proposing Jester voted for someone other than Diego to try and save him even though there was "no way you were being lynched"? Why does this not apply to everyone else voting for you?

[Sharky5x]

You are using Diamond's reads he spewed out when people forced him to try and scumhunt against him?

[Sharky5x]

VOTE: randomidget
Fire Mafia right here

VOTE: jester
That jump at the end of the day was shady af.

Explain how it's shady. I don't find anything wrong with voting for the scummier of the two lynch candidates. You are just trying to start a wagon with Diamond's insane read on Jester to help it.

WTF, is this a scum slip?

How would you know if he is Fire or Ice?

You are kidding, right? You actually think if I was Ice Mafia I'd say that?
I can deduce that if random is scum he will most likely be fire by rereading (knowing that ASP is Ice)

Now I haven't played with Titus before like apparently many people here have, but I've read many games with her in them. From what I'm seeing so far I'm just confused.

Titus, mind explaining how it's fair to take a reads list from PAGE 7 and compare it to a dead mafia members reads (from about the end of day one)? Furthermore you say that by defending this so-obviously-scum member, I am posting 10x as scummy.

Don't give me anything similar to 601..

[Sharky5x]

@Sharky, why are you trying to meta when you haven't played before with me.

Where did I do that?

Also love how Sharky tries to diminish the points I make.

What points?! Rather than tell me you are just going to talk about how obvious they are?

[Sharky5x]

Is this a reaction test??

[Sharky5x]

Now I haven't played with Titus before like apparently many people here have, but I've read many games with her in them. From what I'm seeing so far I'm just confused.

Titus, mind explaining how it's fair to take a reads list from PAGE 7 and compare it to a dead mafia members reads (from about the end of day one)? Furthermore you say that by defending this so-obviously-scum member, I am posting 10x as scummy.

Don't give me anything similar to 601.

Hasn't played with me but says don't remind me of 601

I'm confused, you are supposed to be good.
601 is a post number.. why the fuck is that bolded?

Could you quit dodging my question and tell me why Diamond is scum and why I'm 10x more scum for defending him?

[Sharky5x]

Sorry. I recall games by number. That one's on me. If someone in the future says that I don't resemble 616 I would think of this game.

Some scum don't like to bus. Diamond's similarity to scum was off putting. It pinged hard.

You're not scum for defending him but the tone, which I explained before.

Oh, I probably should've been able to tell that .3.

I disagree. I still do not believe he is scum for having similar reads, which is still essentially what you are saying.

ASP scumread random and MOHIS at the time. Diamond proceeded to scumread random, itlepip, and I.
Later on, ASP townreads I, and scumreads random, MOHIS, and itlepip.

I'd say the reads are sorta-kinda similar. Don't get how it pinged hard.

[Sharky5x]

Sharky still scum.

Is this all you are going to post? Could you give some other reads (after reading the whole game surely you have some >.>)? You aren't going to persuade me into thinking Diamond is scum.

[Sharky5x]

"This is how I play when I'm town, ask the people I play with"
That isn't going to do it for me. I'm not saying I am unwilling to unvote random, but I need something about THIS GAME.

[Sharky5x]

Diamond is too genuine to be scum. Most of what he says is trash, but it's not reading as scum for me.

Disagree with his latest read on itlepip, btw. How is he acting scum as can be? That's how I'd describe you, which is what keeps you alive.

I need NM, Snarky, and Wanderer to start posting. This is quite painful, I happen to be interested in one of the three but he isn't posting at all.

[Sharky5x]

I'd rather lynch scum than anti-town. itlepip you have any scumreads besides Diamond?

[Sharky5x]

I'd rather lynch scum than anti-town. itlepip you have any scumreads besides Diamond?

yes you.

k shouldve seen that one coming

[Sharky5x]

Diamond is too genuine to be scum. Most of what he says is trash, but it's not reading as scum for me.

Disagree with his latest read on itlepip, btw. How is he acting scum as can be? That's how I'd describe you, which is what keeps you alive.

I need NM, Snarky, and Wanderer to start posting. This is quite painful, I happen to be interested in one of the three but he isn't posting at all.

You are noob or scum. Scum can look genuine.

Itepip, let's mason this bitch till we are dead.

Every game I've played so far I've lost by hammering someone acting really scummy whilst having a town gutread on them. I'm not making that mistake anymore.

I'll post whenever I feel like posting. You could speed up the process by engaging with me but just randomly saying I need to post isn't going to do it. I'm busy this week, I'll do some reads on the weekend.

Screw what itlepip said, full readlist please?

[Sharky5x]

Diamond isn't even close to being lynched here, why are you scared of hammering someone at l-4?

My point is I used to let people persuade me into voting people I townread/townlean. Not sure how you misinterpreted that as being afraid to hammer.

[Sharky5x]

It's like Diamond is trying to get himself killed

I'm getting the feeling that Diamond is town and flailing pretty hard because everyone is just kinda on him for not a whole lot. I don't like itlepip on this one.

Also VOTE: Not_mafia
Not quite satisfied with NM lynch yet but I think my vote belongs here for now. I think, mainly, he needs to talk a lot more.

I'm good w/ this. I'm split between Diamond and itlepip being TvT or itlepip just going for an easy mislynch. Also if itlepip is scum, he could possibly think Diamond is on the other faction, making this even more difficult to read.

[Sharky5x]

The only thing that could convince to vote DS is an argument that says lynching him as anti-town is more important than possibly lynching scum. Why is no one open to looking for scum outside of Diamond?? To be clear I think he is insane and most of his reads are very shallow, but I still think this is a case of anti-town townie rather than suicidal scum .3.

The only other scumhunt is as deep as "If Diamond is scum then Sharky is the scumbuddy"
I would have bussed him at least 4 pages back anyway xD

[Sharky5x]

Do I get towncred when he flips townie

Let's say Diamond flips townie, then two townies die tonight.
Then there will be 5 town, 3 scum. We are already in a critical state.

Who are you guys going to look to next if DS flips town? Answer carefully.

[Sharky5x]

Do I get towncred when he flips townie

Let's say Diamond flips townie, then two townies die tonight.
Then there will be 5 town, 3 scum. We are already in a critical state.

Who are you guys going to look to next if DS flips town? Answer carefully.

Why are you so certain that DS is town? Not even scum would know DS is town. The doctor only would know that a player is not ice scum.

You seem really invested in not lynching DS yet cannot articulate why he's town beyond too scummy to be scum.

Too scummy to be scum argument is kinda weak.
I really think he is a flailing townie incapable of creating a logical argument to defend himself. It's a gutread, pretty sure I've said that before.

Why didn't you answer my question? Just think about Diamond hypothetically flipping town, who are you looking at for scum?

[Sharky5x]

Do I get towncred when he flips townie

Let's say Diamond flips townie, then two townies die tonight.
Then there will be 5 town, 3 scum. We are already in a critical state.

Who are you guys going to look to next if DS flips town? Answer carefully.

Why are you so certain that DS is town? Not even scum would know DS is town. The doctor only would know that a player is not ice scum.

You seem really invested in not lynching DS yet cannot articulate why he's town beyond too scummy to be scum.

Too scummy to be scum argument is kinda weak.
I really think he is a flailing townie incapable of creating a logical argument to defend himself. It's a gutread, pretty sure I've said that before.

Why didn't you answer my question? Just think about Diamond hypothetically flipping town, who are you looking at for scum?

You. But it's after DS flips scum.

So I'm scum whether he flips scum or town? Do you think I'm defending him as scum to get towncred?

[Sharky5x]

WHAT IS THIS .3.

Was about to call BS on everything DS is saying, but 761 actually kinda makes sense from his newbie perspective. He did freak out about lynching PRs day one.

This could be helpful, we got 1 confirmed scum inside of {Diamond, NM}. I'm thinking about the possibility of NM being doctor, maybe he hasn't been posting much to avoid bringing attention to himself and therefore avoiding the NK. That and Diamond's heal doesn't make much sense.

[Sharky5x]

What scum incentive is there to CC DS?

I will bbl.

I was trying to think creatively and find an answer to that. Couldn't think of one.

Mm is it really the obvious answer for once or am I going to screw myself over as usual? .3.

Snarky, if you buy Diamond being town then shouldn't you start convincing us to lynch NM?

[Sharky5x]

If DS flips scum, is the more likely buddy Snarky or I?

[Sharky5x]

Snarky, if you buy Diamond being town then shouldn't you start convincing us to lynch NM?

I may or may not have claimed doctor

Oh christmas tree oh christmas tree

VOTE: Diamond Sentinel

Here comes Santa Claus, here comes Santa Claus straight down Santa Claus Lane

VOTE: Diamond Sentinel

What statement are you making here?

That said, I'm good with a sharky lynch too. I just think NM has been a really not helpful player at all this game, which is not very town.

No, we are lynching one of the "doctor"s.. when are you going to vote NM?

If DS flips scum, is the more likely buddy Snarky or I?

Most likely buddy is ASP. but out of you two snarky.

I said that since everyone up to this point thinks I've been buddying DS, but now with the recent snarky development..

I'd vote Diamond right now but I'm not sure what the VC is so ima wait.

[Sharky5x]

I went through, I'm 75% sure he is at L-1

[Sharky5x]

Those are literally all NM's posts this whole game. I've never played with him before but...???

this is how he plays every game regardless of alignment.

Separate question, how do you not see this as anti-town?

anti-town =/= scum
that and its impossible to have a meta where you're playing scum every game

[Sharky5x]

Oh.
UNVOTE:
Does anyone have any further objections to lynching Diamond?

[Sharky5x]

Don't tempt me to not vote him Titus .3.

[Sharky5x]

G' day
VOTE: Diamond
I am a bit pissed that I have to go against Snarky tomorrow, assuming he flips scum.

[Sharky5x]

Me and Snarky man

VOTE: Not_Mafia

I blame you.

[Sharky5x]

VOTE: Not
tomorrow assuming I live I am in favor of a snarky lynch, I feel like he was whiteknighting Diamond yesterday.

Why Snarky but not me?

[Sharky5x]

White knighting? Psh I genuinely thought he was just an easy mislynch. His claiming didn't help either. Yet y'all lynched without really taking a moment on that. Sharky, Itlepip and NM are my remaining scum choices.

Yet not Titus..? Interesting.

[Sharky5x]

Could we discuss the motives behind fakeclaiming doctor? I don't get why.

[Sharky5x]

VOTE: Not_Mafia
VOTE: Not_Mafia
VOTE: Not_Mafia
VOTE: Not_Mafia

[Sharky5x]

Actually no I feel like contributing before I go to sleep

Reads list //

Not_Mafia - Scum x4
MOHIS and Titus - One of them is scum, I'm sure of it. Possible chance they're scum on opposite sides.
Snarky - Been up and down. Would like him to explain his itlepip and MOHIS reads.
The_Jester - Who knows really? Don't want to write him off as a scum or a town slot.
itlepip - Town lean x.x Does and says many things I disagree with, but a gutread same as Diamond.
lilith - Town.

Pedit: What kind of VT says "I may or may not have claimed doctor" while we are lynching someone that claims doctor?

[Sharky5x]

UNVOTE:
While I reread this shit

[Sharky5x]

IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER:

Spoiler:

Fine. You've set this up yourself...


I'm the doctor. I healed someone (not revealing) last night, thus the comment.

Nope

VOTE: DiamondSentinel

lillith is not ice scum

lillith is not ice scum

It's like you read my role PM.
we should heal each other tonight.

You don't need to cover for me though.

I may or may not have claimed doctor

Explain further how you're covering for Titus, and not seemingly the other way around.

[Sharky5x]

That isn't a hammer. I unvoted .3.

[Sharky5x]

I'm prepared to hammer AFTER snarky comes back and answers for himself.

[Sharky5x]

Well doesn't look like Not_Mafia OR Snarky are coming back. -m-

[Sharky5x]

From the context of the post it kinda seems like he's asking me, but that question can't be for me.

[Sharky5x]

Oh, and saying that I have posted more makes me more scummy than confirmed scum Not_Mafia is complete crap.

Could you explain your MOHIS and itlepip reads now, please?

[Sharky5x]

you'd better start explaining this.

It's already been explained, read back.
CC the doc and not under the spot light. 10/10 play.

-Vedith

Yeah but Not_Mafia CCed first, if she believed him to be the real doctor then she was attempting to protect him with wifom. Not sure why scum would do that.

[Sharky5x]

So you think that Titus counterclaimed her partner when her partner was ccing and then advocated for the lynch of the person that disproves both of them?

Quote where NM was CC.
I want to see the exact post you believe he CC Diamond.

-Vedith

I already posted the whole chronology. Not_Mafia CCed first. Shouldn't you just reread rather than be stubborn? Go back to where Diamond claimed, then read the next few posts.

[Sharky5x]

Nope

VOTE: DiamondSentinel

lillith is not ice scum

I may or may not have claimed doctor

How is that a claim exactly?
Saying "I may or may not have claimed doctor" is not claiming doctor...

Neither is voting someone for claiming doctor

Neither is saying that someone is not scum...

So again, show me where NM claims.

-Vedith

What the fuck? He votes Diamond right when Diamond claims doctor with "Nope".

[Sharky5x]

Okay MOHIS, explain why you are voting NM if you don't think he claimed doctor.

Not only that, but he thought that he hammered Not Mafia!

[Sharky5x]

The lack of posting in here is depressing ;-;

[Sharky5x]

Eh

VOTE: Not_Mafia

[Sharky5x]

Lynch Titus tomorrow for fakeclaiming doctor

YOU FAKECLAIMED FIRST MATE

[Sharky5x]

rip in peperonis
x.x

[Sharky5x]

It actually happened :O
Good game all

Thanks for modding, Armageddon.