Open 624 Fire and Ice - Fire Mafia Wins

Aristophanes · Post Post #9 (isolation #0) » Sun Jan 24, 2016 12:05 pm

VOTE: The Shadow
Scum lurks in the shadows.

Shadows made by Fire!

Aristophanes · Post Post #26 (isolation #1) » Sun Jan 24, 2016 12:49 pm

This whole page is dumb.

VOTE: Viva

Aristophanes · Post Post #27 (isolation #2) » Sun Jan 24, 2016 12:50 pm

Well, last page...

Aristophanes · Post Post #31 (isolation #3) » Sun Jan 24, 2016 1:08 pm

But that wasn't what you said.
You argued that she isnt usually like this in an RVS situation.

I might have agreed if that had been your case.

Aristophanes · Post Post #35 (isolation #4) » Sun Jan 24, 2016 1:17 pm

I dislike how you pushed it mostly.
What was the point of quoting her profile?

Aristophanes · Post Post #65 (isolation #5) » Sun Jan 24, 2016 6:00 pm

Ohey, Something Smart said what I was trying to articulate!
I like this guy!

Aristophanes · Post Post #66 (isolation #6) » Sun Jan 24, 2016 6:02 pm

But still has RVS vote...

SS!
Vote with me!

Aristophanes · Post Post #69 (isolation #7) » Sun Jan 24, 2016 6:51 pm

In post 68, SnarkySnowman wrote:Aristo! No!

LMAO!
Well played XD

Snarky, what would you expect from Pontiac Pursuit at this point in the game?
What is different from their town game?
Same question to Shadow.

Aristophanes · Post Post #70 (isolation #8) » Sun Jan 24, 2016 7:03 pm

Viva, why are you townreading Something Smart?
Cobalt ing, why are you scum reading them?

Aristophanes · Post Post #76 (isolation #9) » Mon Jan 25, 2016 5:45 am

In post 73, Something_Smart wrote:Oh lol there's two SS's.
Aristo, do you think Viva is scum? Or do you just want to pressure him?
I don't think that logic was necessarily scum logic, but it was bad, so I'm okay with this.
VOTE: Viva

I think his posts have a good chance of being from scum and want to pressure him because of it.

Thanks!

Aristophanes · Post Post #91 (isolation #10) » Mon Jan 25, 2016 6:13 pm

In post 90, beeboy wrote:I can confidently say I have no reads right now.

Much helpful.
So wow.

Aristophanes · Post Post #95 (isolation #11) » Mon Jan 25, 2016 6:38 pm

In post 94, Shinobi wrote:Aristo - while you're here, can you give me your opinion on masquerade?

Not a fan. Lazy, sheeping start on a point he didn't even seem convinced on. Plus, saying you look like you're trying to blend in?
Not even close.

Would consider wagoning.

Aristophanes · Post Post #116 (isolation #12) » Tue Jan 26, 2016 6:05 am

In post 98, beeboy wrote:
In post 97, Shinobi wrote:It sounds like masquerade's giant post follows the sort of thing you're talking about in yet you haven't commented on it. Why?

I don't know if you mean you on masquerade or masquerade on you.

For you on masquerade, I wouldn't call 2 votes and an opinion tunneling and making it easy on scum to fit in.

For masquerade on you, I don't see people voting you a problem the statement that you are trying to hard to look town is bad in the sense that there is no evidence to back that up which doesn't indicate scum just a lazy claim unless Masq can't follow up with evidence to support that claim. There is a difference between stealing ideas to fit in and having your own opinion on someone currently being pressured.

Beeboy/Masq scumteam? Cool!

VOTE: Beeboy

Viva, will you quit it with the vote jumping!
I already don't care where it lands because it has no weight.
You know how if you say a word too many times it starts to lose meaning? Yeah, that's what's happening with your vote.

I had a feeling Chevy Cobalt was Ford Ranger.
Unexplained lists =/= scum in this case.

In post 107, Viva La Gloria wrote:A slip up is a screw up or a blunder or a misplay; I think Shinobi misplayed on page 1 because he felt pressured as scum to try to look like he was scumhunting hard.
A slip is revealing some sort of secret that confirms alignment.

Shinobi did the former, not the latter.

Slip = Scum revealing info accidentally/revealing themselves as scum.
Slip-up = any general mistake, misfooting, or bad play.
@Something Smart, not a hard concept.
It feeld like you're discrediting Viva right now. Why is that?
A slip is a slip-up, but a slip-up isn't a slip.

Yeah, I don't like Beeboy at all.

@Beeboy,
Is bullheadedness exclusively a scum trait?
Can town not be wrong yet insist they are right, or misunderstand a point and argue it fruitlessly?

Aristophanes · Post Post #117 (isolation #13) » Tue Jan 26, 2016 6:05 am

In post 114, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 92, Viva La Gloria wrote:You colossally slipped up on page 1 and the rest of your play has been an incredibly forced attempt to look like a good boy scumhunter.
Where do you think you get off asking people what their 'other townreads' are and criticizing RVS votes on the first page?
Riddle me this batman.

Okay I'm sorry I misunderstood this then. I thought Viva was pushing Shinobi based on his "colossal slip up".

Colossal?
That's a stretch...

Aristophanes · Post Post #122 (isolation #14) » Tue Jan 26, 2016 6:49 am

In post 119, beeboy wrote:Why don't you like me?
It also is a scum trait because they are paranoid they will be wagoned if they make a false claim or contradict themselves so they would try to disprove it. Town is less concerned about looking town so they would rather move on with the game and admit to a simple mistake. Also something_smart is exaggerating a lot of statements and has tried to twist what I have said.

So scum typically don't just buckle and agree with the other party to blend in, but rather stick by their incorrect assumption, making them more noticed and targeted?

All I'm saying is that it's not so black and white and I have seen both occur many times.

What makes Something Smart sticking to his guns scummy in this instance?

Aristophanes · Post Post #126 (isolation #15) » Tue Jan 26, 2016 7:25 am

In post 124, beeboy wrote:
In post 122, Aristophanes wrote:What makes Something Smart sticking to his guns scummy in this instance?

To start off the original push was incredibly forced saying the Vivo was trying to force a lynch using a buzz words. This is incredibly dramatic claim imo but it is understandable that someone would believe this.
Then Vivo explained his reasoning but something_smart refused to believe it which I already explained why I believed that was incredibly scummy behavior. Another thing is whether or not they disagree on what a slip-up is if Vivo think that a slip-up is incredibly different from a slip something_smart should have realized it wasn't a scum intent but rather a misunderstanding to he kept pushing.
(This occurred after I made the claim)
He then proceeded to try and twist my argument at the end of post 112 and in post 114. Which further discredits the town incentive in his original claim because he has been consistently exaggerating or twisting claims.

Cool, I rescind my prior comments on you.

Masquerade wrote:
In post 81, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 95, Aristophanes wrote:Plus, saying you look like you're trying to blend in?

Did I say that?

In post 79, Masquerade wrote:Shinobi gives me the feeling that he's trying to avoid being suspected. Which he's not doing a very good job at.

No, not at all.

I'm liking Beeboy for town and having a growing scumlean on Aristo.

I was gonna go back and quote that post, but you did it for me.
You say "avoid being suspected," I wrote "trying to blend in."
Did I misinterpret what you meant?
If so, enlighten me.

Aristophanes · Post Post #169 (isolation #16) » Wed Jan 27, 2016 5:16 am

In post 160, Masquerade wrote:VOTE: Cobalting

This is not coming off for the rest of the day and if this doesn't explain their reads or get lynced I'm replacing out.

Now now, no need to throw a tantrum.
Like, we've got 11 days left. Plenty of time for them to explain things.

In post 163, Supreme Overlord wrote:Then what are your reads, PC? I don't know what your policy is regarding acting as different heads, but if you can't speak for Ranger you should be able to speak for yourself.

I mean, he said he would get back to you and their discussion may either change a read or may lead to some reasons emerging on the thread. What's wrong with checking where your other head's at with their thinking?

Aristophanes · Post Post #171 (isolation #17) » Wed Jan 27, 2016 6:20 am

All very fluid still, but:
Towny: Beeboy, Cobalting
Lightly towny: Snarky
Need sorting: Shin, Something Smart
Scummy: Viva, Masquerade

I don't like SO's tone, but that's probably a playstyle difference thing. I'll FoS them.

Everyone else is nullish.

Aristophanes · Post Post #194 (isolation #18) » Wed Jan 27, 2016 6:12 pm

This is a reminder to self to reread everything at some point tomorrow to refine my reads and answer stuff.

Also, didn't realize my vote was still there or I'd have moved it.
UNVOTE:

Aristophanes · Post Post #254 (isolation #19) » Thu Jan 28, 2016 5:39 pm

I find people's reactions to Ika amusing and possibly indicative, despite him having done nothing indicative of either alignment yet himself.
This is just plain Ika atm.

I'm sure I'll get a read on him later. Gonna be more focused on reactions to him though for now.

Well, when I gay back to this again that is.

Aristophanes · Post Post #268 (isolation #20) » Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:34 am

In post 257, Viva La Gloria wrote:Supreme Overlord is still bugging the shit out of me and the Ika vote is frankly terrible.
But Ranger is being useless and anti-town as hell by refusing to explain her reads.
I'd like to switch but I also think we should seriously threaten to lynch Ranger if she continues to refuse to elaborate so that she gets shit done.

Meh,
I'm townreading Ranger.

Also, what is it with you people and quick/Auto-lynching?
You do realize saying that does nothing, and has no time frame, support, or scare factor, right?

What even do you mean by Auto-lynching?

Aristophanes · Post Post #348 (isolation #21) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 7:16 am

In post 342, Viva La Gloria wrote:Please can we do like SO or Cobalting?
I'm willing to vote either of them over Shinobi today.
I'm getting really bad feelings about this wagon and think that Shinobi's probably town now.
His frustration seems genuine, the way he reacted to me pressuring him felt really genuine, he never tried to omgus me when I looked like a doable lynch and I was deathtunneling him at the beginning of the day.
Please reconsider your votes.

Shit, Viva is probably town.

Aristophanes · Post Post #373 (isolation #22) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 10:59 am

Aeronaut wrote:Silver, tell me about this game. What's going on it, why's shinobi scum?

I mean I'm gonna read it too, but like ur my spirit animal

And I guess I'm chopped liver? I see how it is Aero.

Kidding <3

Aristophanes · Post Post #384 (isolation #23) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 12:54 pm

In post 382, Shinobi wrote:I need to reread droog as well - I don't like that Aero post.

Really?
I liked it...

Also, Aero, I am awkward a lot.
Just sayin'

Aristophanes · Post Post #394 (isolation #24) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 6:02 pm

In post 386, Shinobi wrote:
In post 384, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 382, Shinobi wrote:I need to reread droog as well - I don't like that Aero post.
Really?
I liked it...

Also, Aero, I am awkward a lot.
Just sayin'

Why?

He covered some of the main points and came out with reads from them. He didn't vote despite a scumlean because he isn't caught up. As catchup posts go, it was good for content analysis without being bulky, off topic, or agenda pushing.
What's not to like?

Or do you mean why am I awkward sometimes?
Because I don't have a good answer for that.

Aristophanes · Post Post #397 (isolation #25) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 4:23 am

In post 396, Something_Smart wrote:I think it's better to lynch scum, idk about you man...

Dumb statements are dumb.

Aristophanes · Post Post #408 (isolation #26) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 8:03 am

Something_Smart wrote:
Aristophanes wrote:
In post 396, Something_Smart wrote:I think it's better to lynch scum, idk about you man...
Dumb statements are dumb.

Actually, I think the dumb statement is Viva trying to lynch based on activity rather than scumminess. The Shadow lynch is basically a PL

Because he was toootally wasn't insinuating that scum are more likely to be quieter in multi ball but was saying that we should lurker lynch.
And he was toootally saying he'd rather do that than lynch scum.

Also, scum even want to lynch scum here, so your argument is dumb regardless.

Shinobi's snark is funny.

Aristophanes · Post Post #416 (isolation #27) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 12:22 pm

In post 415, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 411, Cobalting wrote:
Aristophanes wrote:Shit, Viva is probably town.
No, Viva is probably Shinobi's scumbuddy.
(Which would make the other team {Supreme Overlord, Something_Smart} if I'm right on my reads. I'll check that in a bit. Need to get caught up first.)

You think Viva and Shinobi are a team after Viva's big push on Shinobi early in the day?

Hmm...I'll definitely reread these two. I don't see scum buddy interaction, but I may have missed it.

Aristophanes · Post Post #477 (isolation #28) » Tue Feb 02, 2016 12:03 pm

I can settle for a Shadow lynch.

VOTE: Shadow

Aristophanes · Post Post #489 (isolation #29) » Tue Feb 02, 2016 7:27 pm

In post 487, SilverWolf wrote:
In post 486, ika wrote:
In post 485, SilverWolf wrote:

Note to self. Ignore ika.

I love you

I love you too.

Get a Room!

Aristophanes · Post Post #496 (isolation #30) » Wed Feb 03, 2016 4:50 am

We've stagnated. May as well.

Aristophanes · Post Post #500 (isolation #31) » Wed Feb 03, 2016 9:08 am

In post 499, Something_Smart wrote:Can somebody present an actual case on Shadow instead of just saying "he's lurker scum"?

It doesn't look like it, but I'll see what I can do.

Aristophanes · Post Post #520 (isolation #32) » Wed Feb 03, 2016 6:01 pm

Something Smart, how are we rushing the lynch??
The game is stalling atm.
Let's just get it over with.

Aristophanes · Post Post #547 (isolation #33) » Sat Feb 06, 2016 6:54 am

I think we really need to Cort this SW/Ika thing today..

Aristophanes · Post Post #549 (isolation #34) » Sat Feb 06, 2016 6:59 am

I don't believe so. Thanks for the reminder!

Aristophanes · Post Post #597 (isolation #35) » Mon Feb 08, 2016 7:25 am

In post 589, ika wrote:btw aro is prob sucm too

I always have to clarify when we're both in the game.
Is "Aro" Aero or Ari?

Also, I'll be back to this today I guess.

Aristophanes · Post Post #615 (isolation #36) » Tue Feb 09, 2016 5:56 am

In post 609, texcat wrote:
Firebringer replaces Aeronaut. Thank you!

Yuss!
My excitement for this game is returned! XD

Aristophanes · Post Post #618 (isolation #37) » Tue Feb 09, 2016 6:10 am

I'll read SO's ISO, Viva, and get back to you. I haven't really interacted with the slot much.

Aristophanes · Post Post #621 (isolation #38) » Tue Feb 09, 2016 6:38 am

I know we have 10 days and I want to give Fire time to catch up, but I totally agree with this lynch on a reread.

All of their questions seem to be at the game rather than in the game. Which is weird I know, my explanations suck.

Aaand I got called in to work while typing. Basically, they feel off and unengaged and are probably scum.

VOTE: SO

This is L-1

Aristophanes · Post Post #623 (isolation #39) » Tue Feb 09, 2016 7:57 am

In post 622, Shinobi wrote:How, exactly?

This is at me I assume?

Aristophanes · Post Post #658 (isolation #40) » Tue Feb 09, 2016 9:09 pm

Ika hammers are always the best lol

Aristophanes · Post Post #665 (isolation #41) » Fri Feb 12, 2016 4:36 am

Spoiler: Ika's Post

A single tear!
That was beautiful!

Aristophanes · Post Post #667 (isolation #42) » Fri Feb 12, 2016 5:02 am

In post 666, Firebringer wrote:Aristophanes.
You had to pick a fire mafia, and Ice mafia right now.
Who is who?

I've been somewhat disengaged with this game. Lemme reread the flipped parties and I'll get back to you, Fire.

Aristophanes · Post Post #669 (isolation #43) » Fri Feb 12, 2016 5:43 am

In post 668, Viva La Gloria wrote:That was creepy as fuck, Ika!
I was actually going to lynch Silverwolf today but she's dead so I'm not sure.
I'll go do some partner hunting.

I thought it was cute!

Aristophanes · Post Post #673 (isolation #44) » Fri Feb 12, 2016 6:01 am

In post 672, Shinobi wrote:VOTE: aristo
Reads please.

Will do!

Once I get them.

Aristophanes · Post Post #682 (isolation #45) » Fri Feb 12, 2016 7:18 am

In post 677, Viva La Gloria wrote:Like the associatives between SO and Shinobi are perfect for scumpartners but I really can't shake the feeling I've had all game that he's town.

Let's just lynch for Fire and I'll let the night actions handle him.

The VCA I'm working on tells me neither you nor Shin are likely to be scum, but I'll get to that once it's done.

Aristophanes · Post Post #684 (isolation #46) » Fri Feb 12, 2016 7:55 am

In post 683, Firebringer wrote:I feel like masq and Snarky could be last two scum.

Yeah, I'm pretty much sold on Masq being the last Ice goon.

In post 251, Masquerade wrote:
In post 231, beeboy wrote:Although being on a wagon with Supreme Overlord is troubling as I have a bad gut feeling about him.

VOTE: Beeboy

Dammit

In post 246, Cobalting wrote:VOTE: Supreme Overlord.
Eh, still not fully comfortable with ika
especially
given multiball, but beeboy's right.
Not gonna share a wagon with him.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Cobalting

Different scumteams, I'd like Cobalting out first.

Dafuq is the problem sharing a wagon with scum if it is on other scum?! We can only lynch 1 a day you know.

This is one of the worst posts. They voted town, unvoted to vote another town in defense of scum, and rather then giving a reason for the scumread, attacked Cobalt's logic.

Their vote and revote onto Shinobi were both bad and lacked critical thinking, and the unvote is placed in a way that looks like it is there to garner townpoints, not because they actually want to extend the conversation.

They haven't voted since and are just sliding by.

Their mentions of SO are few and far between, and say absolutely nothing about the slot, as if trying to distance themselves there.

This is scum.
VOTE: Masquerade

Aristophanes · Post Post #688 (isolation #47) » Fri Feb 12, 2016 11:21 am

In post 686, Firebringer wrote:
In post 685, Something_Smart wrote:VOTE: Firebringer
Probably ice, not sure what Viva was thinking, interactions with SO are terrible.
I'd also probably be ok lynching masq or snarky.

You are scum reading all three players?
Okay...

That's okay. They're probably the last Fire goon anyway.

Aristophanes · Post Post #690 (isolation #48) » Fri Feb 12, 2016 11:52 am

In post 689, Firebringer wrote:
In post 688, Aristophanes wrote:That's okay. They're probably the last Fire goon anyway.

Why do you think SS is fire goon anyways?

Looking again at the VCA (which I'll take some time and transcribe onto the forum soon. It's in a word document atm.) I noticed they avoided early major wagons, instead staying on Viva. That is, until they found L-1 on the Shinobi wagon. They then stayed there until the day ended, despite the wagon's crumbling. Her votes here are contrary to Silver for the most part.

D2 she follows SW onto So and stays there for the day.

Their ISO is almost devoid of any mentions of SW as well.

All of their votes are without much reasoning, and the insistence on voting Shinobi shows they weren't thinking critically, but sticking with their previous scum read. This stagnation happens because of faked scumreads and a fear of looking inconsistent.

Aristophanes · Post Post #691 (isolation #49) » Fri Feb 12, 2016 12:13 pm

All names were retroactively switched to their most current replacement's name for ease of reading a slot's progression.

Spoiler: D1 VCs, Coloured

Of course as I fill this in I notice that the latter half of D1, from VC 1.9 on, all wagons are on Conftown but Shinobi's...

Aristophanes · Post Post #692 (isolation #50) » Fri Feb 12, 2016 12:13 pm

^^^^^
Disregard that. I clicked submit accidentally.

Proper one will be here momentarily.

Aristophanes · Post Post #693 (isolation #51) » Fri Feb 12, 2016 12:16 pm

All names were retroactively switched to their most current replacement's name for ease of reading a slot's progression.

Spoiler: D1 VCs, Coloured

Of course as I fill this in I notice that the latter half of D1, from VC 1.9 on, all wagons are on Conftown but Shinobi's...

Spoiler: D2 VCs, Coloured

Aristophanes · Post Post #701 (isolation #52) » Sat Feb 13, 2016 4:49 pm

Everyone seems to be absent...

Hopefully this game picks back up after the weekend, because we are in good shape to bring this home!

Aristophanes · Post Post #704 (isolation #53) » Sun Feb 14, 2016 2:30 am

In post 702, Shinobi wrote:
In post 701, Aristophanes wrote:Everyone seems to be absent...

Hopefully this game picks back up after the weekend, because we are in good shape to bring this home!

Technically I'm here but I'm still okay voting you, mostly because you circuitously tried to push scum on me by saying I'm the only person voted on that wasn't conftown.
It's a totally biased reason but I'm okay with it.

Merely an observation. I point out what I notice.

Is my vote on you? I think not!

In post 703, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 701, Aristophanes wrote:Everyone seems to be absent...

Hopefully this game picks back up after the weekend, because we are in good shape to bring this home!

Ugh this is awful.

Which, the quietness ot my post?

Aristophanes · Post Post #707 (isolation #54) » Sun Feb 14, 2016 4:01 am

In post 705, Something_Smart wrote:Your post... the game is nowhere near solved and stuff like that gives me the chills.

Well we'renot going to get any closer with the current level of conversation.

And we have enough flips, associations, and info this is a solvable game. That's what I was saying.

Aristophanes · Post Post #721 (isolation #55) » Tue Feb 16, 2016 5:09 am

In post 712, Shinobi wrote:I don't even understand what the point of that Masq post was, so, like, whatever.
Back to business:

In post 704, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 702, Shinobi wrote:
In post 701, Aristophanes wrote:Everyone seems to be absent...

Hopefully this game picks back up after the weekend, because we are in good shape to bring this home!

Technically I'm here but I'm still okay voting you, mostly because you circuitously tried to push scum on me by saying I'm the only person voted on that wasn't conftown.
It's a totally biased reason but I'm okay with it.
Merely an observation. I point out what I notice.

Is my vote on you? I think not!

Your observations must have led you to some sort of conclusion. What was that conclusion? If your conclusion was different from what I supposed you were implying, what was the point of bringing it up in the first place if you were going to contradict it anyway?

They have led me to the conclusion that I should still keep an eye on you and that this slot may still be scum if we strike out with my other scumspects.

Why so defensive over one little comment??

Aristophanes · Post Post #730 (isolation #56) » Tue Feb 16, 2016 8:48 am

Be unenthused with it, Shin.
I don't much care.

Will read Viva posts soon.

Snarky, are you ever going to not be on V/LA?
I hope to see you here tn as promised.

Aristophanes · Post Post #732 (isolation #57) » Tue Feb 16, 2016 9:09 am

In post 731, Shinobi wrote:
In post 729, Viva La Gloria wrote:In fact yeah I can't really carry on atm.

I need a Shinobi flip. Lynch it.

The fuck.

I'll think about it, Viva.

Also, in a multi ball, Info is your best friend, as scumhunting is skewed by all parties taking part genuinely.

And I believe I have done info aided analysis. Maybe info over analysis. But not info instead of analysis.

Aristophanes · Post Post #738 (isolation #58) » Tue Feb 16, 2016 9:30 am

In post 733, Shinobi wrote:
In post 727, Viva La Gloria wrote:SO was a major wagon at this point.

What are the chances that he just HAPPENS to forget about him in the readslist?

I flat out said I wasn't concerned with him because he was one of the few people not tunneling me.

Wait...everyone except SO was tunneling you?
I don't recall it being quite so widespread. But woe is you I guess.

Wouldn't it make sense for scum not to tunnel a scum mate anyway?
I don't think this argument helps you very much.

Aristophanes · Post Post #748 (isolation #59) » Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:08 am

Wow, this is some good wagon splitting!

Anyone feel like consolidating a bit?

Aristophanes · Post Post #750 (isolation #60) » Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:55 am

In post 749, Something_Smart wrote:Why are you rushing this we have 9 days.
How about you consolidate?

I'm not rushing, I just hate seeing scrambles at the last minute, and with the activity level here, I'd rather start the process early.

And sure, how would you like me to consolidate?
I'd love for people to vote Masq with me, but if this doesn't happen, who would you prefer I place my vote on?

Aristophanes · Post Post #759 (isolation #61) » Wed Feb 17, 2016 6:49 am

Alright, I like that SS!
I looked back, and the slot's voting was useless as well. As in, mostly not voting at all.

I would be very alright with this as a lynch with your analysis there.

VOTE: Fire

Aristophanes · Post Post #765 (isolation #62) » Wed Feb 17, 2016 6:56 am

In post 761, Masquerade wrote:Eh I don't like Aristo.

Aristo, why aren;t you pushing your own scumreads?

Because I like this argument. Because I did push and nobody bothered with it. Because the game has stagnated and I'd rather get a wagon with good reasoning going than sit here stubbornly while not progressing the game.

Aristophanes · Post Post #767 (isolation #63) » Wed Feb 17, 2016 7:04 am

In post 766, Masquerade wrote:You have me as a scumread, why not push me to respond to your case? I haven't done that yet, don't you want me to? Just posting a case and a vote isn;t really pushing a scumread.
You also had this analysis of Snarky's voting. What happened to those thoughts?
How come, if you did such a VCA, you missed the Firebringer-slot? I mean, you did make sure there wouldn't be much confusion on the slots that needed replacing.

I don't know, apathy is probably the correct answer, even if it is a bad one.

In switching the names, I used the "replace all" function in word because I'm lazy. I analyzed it after the fact.
Missed the slot as I was looking at actual votes predominantly, rather than those who were not voting.

There are two scumteam so I am okay with catching one first. There was a good argument against Fire so I am supporting it. I can always revisit my push on you later.

Though, now that you mention it, a response would be cool of course!

Aristophanes · Post Post #768 (isolation #64) » Wed Feb 17, 2016 7:07 am

Spoiler: Original Masq Case

Oh yeah, this was a decent case!

Aristophanes · Post Post #773 (isolation #65) » Wed Feb 17, 2016 7:24 am

In post 769, Masquerade wrote:Ok but you have scumreads on Snarky and me, and now you're ok with voting Firebringer.
You do realize there's 2 scum left to catch right?
Oh wait, you do:

In post 688, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 686, Firebringer wrote:
In post 685, Something_Smart wrote:VOTE: Firebringer
Probably ice, not sure what Viva was thinking, interactions with SO are terrible.
I'd also probably be ok lynching masq or snarky.

You are scum reading all three players?
Okay...
That's okay. They're probably the last Fire goon anyway.

Of course I do!
I merely got cocky at the start of this phase.
What's wrong with keeping an eye on multiple people?

I have a scumread on Snarky?

Ninja'd

In post 770, Masquerade wrote:What do you think about Viva's case on Shinobi?

It's not bad, and I didn't like the overdefensiveness after my one small comment. I will have to do a reread of it and get back to you though.

Aristophanes · Post Post #776 (isolation #66) » Wed Feb 17, 2016 7:34 am

In post 775, Masquerade wrote:
In post 773, Aristophanes wrote:I have a scumread on Snarky? Ninja'd

Why are you sheeping your scumread?

Multiball.

Aristophanes · Post Post #779 (isolation #67) » Wed Feb 17, 2016 7:37 am

Spoiler: Original Something_Smart Case

Also, this was admittedly were and was.the weaker of my scumreads at the time.
I am always open to different arguments.

Why are you making that seem like it's a bad thing?

Aristophanes · Post Post #781 (isolation #68) » Wed Feb 17, 2016 7:38 am

In post 777, Masquerade wrote:
In post 773, Aristophanes wrote:It's not bad, and I didn't like the overdefensiveness after my one small comment. I will have to do a reread of it and get back to you though.

Still?
Go do that now please.

Still as in I have to reread still or I didn't like the overdefensiveness still?

Aristophanes · Post Post #783 (isolation #69) » Wed Feb 17, 2016 7:45 am

In post 782, Masquerade wrote:As in WHY DON'T YOU WANT TO SORT SHINOBI WITH US?

Because we're scummates, obviously

Aristophanes · Post Post #784 (isolation #70) » Wed Feb 17, 2016 7:46 am

But really, it's been on the back burner and I will get to it. I'm off to work for a few hours, but I'll be back later and can make this a priority if you like.

Aristophanes · Post Post #786 (isolation #71) » Wed Feb 17, 2016 7:48 am

In post 785, Masquerade wrote:It's been on *the back burner* since yesterday. Get to it.

I just said this.
Didn't I just say this?

Ah well, whatever.

I'll get to it!

Aristophanes · Post Post #797 (isolation #72) » Wed Feb 17, 2016 1:00 pm

I'm gonna have to read this post from Snarky later.

I'm sad that all the colouring and work I put into my VCA he seems to have...totally missed?

Aristophanes · Post Post #816 (isolation #73) » Wed Feb 17, 2016 6:28 pm

Oh wow, Snarky, wtf was that post man!?

None of the sections support each other, the reads are random, and it lacks any actual analysis (or at least any visible points of analysis).
Someone accused me of IIOA before? No. Thus is IIOA!

But is it scum?

Aristophanes · Post Post #844 (isolation #74) » Sat Feb 20, 2016 5:38 am

In post 842, Masquerade wrote:VOTE: Aristo

I want to do this today.

Seriously? Why?

Aristophanes · Post Post #861 (isolation #75) » Sat Feb 20, 2016 5:37 pm

In post 860, SnarkySnowman wrote:I am indeed the doc and I was hoping to fish for something to cc.

Oh...

Aristophanes · Post Post #906 (isolation #76) » Tue Feb 23, 2016 12:55 pm

Lol that prod was funny

Sorry all. I've been reading, I just haven't found my input is required on anything..

So, uh, when are we lynching Fire?

Aristophanes · Post Post #921 (isolation #77) » Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:22 pm

In post 918, Firebringer wrote:
In post 917, Shinobi wrote:So...It's okay that I'm voting you or something?

Of course its okay that your voting me.
I just wanted to make sure you did it for the right reasons.

That's very FB.

Doesn't mean town or scum tho.

Aristophanes · Post Post #966 (isolation #78) » Thu Feb 25, 2016 3:13 pm

Just noticed our timeline. We have intent, right?

Why am I being scum read btw?
I believe I've been fairly towny all game.

Aristophanes · Post Post #978 (isolation #79) » Thu Feb 25, 2016 4:05 pm

I so called this counterwagon XD

Aristophanes · Post Post #981 (isolation #80) » Thu Feb 25, 2016 4:25 pm

In post 980, Firebringer wrote:
In post 978, Aristophanes wrote:I so called this counterwagon XD

GOod job?

Just a pat on the back to myself.

I've been really good at predicting things in games of late.
Just really bad at playing. lol

Aristophanes · Post Post #984 (isolation #81) » Thu Feb 25, 2016 4:57 pm

In post 983, SnarkySnowman wrote:So aristo hop on the wagon with us

Possible scum, yes. But I don't know that this is required right now.

Aristophanes · Post Post #1001 (isolation #82) » Sun Feb 28, 2016 6:07 am

Well shit.

Aristophanes · Sun Feb 28, 2016 11:42 am

In post 1003, Firebringer wrote:I just want to lynch Something smart and call it a day.

I'm not necessarily opposed.

Will review things and see where I end up.

Aristophanes · Post Post #1015 (isolation #84) » Tue Mar 01, 2016 2:23 pm

Gimme another day or two to do something here..inclement weather in Southern Ontario has me called into work.

Yourself and Fire are the last two who I had some suspicion on, but that doesn't necessarily mean you're still top picks.

Aristophanes · Post Post #1018 (isolation #85) » Tue Mar 01, 2016 6:35 pm

In post 1017, Shinobi wrote:
In post 1015, Aristophanes wrote:Gimme another day or two to do something here..inclement weather in Southern Ontario has me called into work.

Yourself and Fire are the last two who I had some suspicion on, but that doesn't necessarily mean you're still top picks.

Also maybe this guy, for being the wishy-washiest and most forgetful player in the history of the universe.

I know it isn't one, but I'm gonna take that as a compliment regardless!

Aristophanes · Post Post #1025 (isolation #86) » Thu Mar 03, 2016 4:42 am

In post 1024, texcat wrote:
Votecount remains the same; deadline remains the same; no one appears to be in prod range. But I'm still around if you happen to need me. : )

Thanks for the diligence!

This is part of my push for today. I'll see what I can do.

Aristophanes · Fri Mar 04, 2016 11:42 am

UPDATED COLOURED VCs

All names were retroactively switched to their most current replacement's name for ease of reading a slot's progression.

Spoiler: D1 VCs, Coloured

Of course as I fill this in I notice that the latter half of D1, from VC 1.9 on, all wagons are on Conftown but Shinobi's...

Spoiler: D2 VCs, Coloured

Spoiler: VCs D3, Coloured

Aristophanes · Post Post #1037 (isolation #88) » Fri Mar 04, 2016 6:36 pm

In post 1035, Shinobi wrote:And?

And now I must analyse it.
It is easier for me to sort when in the thread, and allows others access to it.

Aristophanes · Wed Mar 09, 2016 11:36 am

In post 1079, Shinobi wrote:This is the lamest 5p lylo ever.

Sorry for being lame.

I've kept up with the nothing that has happened.

I'll do that stuff I promised tonight.

Aristophanes · Post Post #1086 (isolation #90) » Thu Mar 10, 2016 5:19 am

I feel asleep after work and just woke up, 16 hours later.

Sorryyyy!

Aristophanes · Post Post #1088 (isolation #91) » Thu Mar 10, 2016 6:56 am

If I were the other scum I'd be putting in a lot more scumhunting effort as I'd be worried about looking towny.

But okay.

Aristophanes · Post Post #1090 (isolation #92) » Thu Mar 10, 2016 7:09 am

Okay, reads then.

I think you are frustrated town.
I don't scumread Viva.

So I think Scum is in SS and FB.

Therefore,
VOTE: SS

Aristophanes · Post Post #1098 (isolation #93) » Thu Mar 10, 2016 2:31 pm

I'm gonna rethink this. I forgot NL was an option.

Mathematically, it does make the most sense.

Aristophanes · Post Post #1100 (isolation #94) » Thu Mar 10, 2016 2:37 pm

In fact,
VOTE: NoLynch

I'll still do my analysis stuff, but Worst Case we have a kingmaker tomorrow, best case we win, Possible to get a 2v1 Lylo tomorrow.

@Both Scum,
It is in your best interest to shoot your biggest scumreads.
If you eliminate them, but you remain, you can potentially win the Lylo scenario.
If you shoot a townread, and it becomes a kingmaker scenario, I implore the last town to vote the scum that did not do so. Do not reward them for it.

Ninja'd
I am...

Aristophanes · Post Post #1102 (isolation #95) » Thu Mar 10, 2016 2:38 pm

In post 1099, Something_Smart wrote:If you really want a no lynch then vote no lynch.
But I've already said that a no lynch is a bad idea for town.

It gives us the best odds.

Aristophanes · Post Post #1107 (isolation #96) » Thu Mar 10, 2016 3:39 pm

But if we mislynch today, we either get 2 scum living tomorrow to tie it, a scum and a town (most likely) so that scum wins, or two town (very unlikely). We don't have the power to lynch the second scum if we do that, and are putting our fate in the hands of scum once again. And it would be in Scum's best interest to shoot a towny slot that way because they can win in a tie or alone that way.

I'll go look at Viva for you.

Aristophanes · Post Post #1108 (isolation #97) » Thu Mar 10, 2016 5:15 pm

Alright, so looking at Viva.

I think D2 in the VCA is the most telling. He was the first to vote SO. Unless he was bussing right out of the gates, this seems very unlikely as a scum partnering. Unlikely Ice Mafia.
His vote is directly followed by SW's vote. I have seen very few scum who are okay with either voting right after their partners, or who are content to sit in that position for the whole day phase. This vote positioning I think tells us Viva is not Fire Mafia.
This means the Cobalting wagon D1 was all town, which really sucks. But wagons on town can be all town. Not unheard of.

Now, let's look at the votes he's cast.
I didn't notice in the VCs, because of course they're not shown, but twice in D1 Viva votes Masq, then switches in the next post onto someone else.

Spoiler: immediate vote switches

He even tried pushing SO again at the end of D1, but when ignored and Shadow was pretty much done, he backed off. I can saw pretty confidently he's not Ice.

If anything, he could be Fire with SW, as he only mentions them like twice while she was alive, once to say "not interested" in a wagon, and once to call Ika/SW "weird" without pursuing it. All mentions afterwards seem to be tying her to Aero/FB, which is maybe distancing himself from the possibility of being a partner? Though I somewhat doubt that.

Overall, the interactions tell me Not Scum.
So I will not vote there, SS.

Aristophanes · Post Post #1119 (isolation #98) » Sat Mar 12, 2016 5:30 pm

In post 1118, Viva La Gloria wrote:I'd NL if I thought scum would shoot properly. I expect both scum to shoot town.

Oh yee of little faith!

Aristophanes · Post Post #1121 (isolation #99) » Sat Mar 12, 2016 5:38 pm

In post 1120, Viva La Gloria wrote:Is that a scumclaim?

Nah, but I'm sure at least one scum can take the tight shot.

Aristophanes · Sat Mar 12, 2016 5:39 pm

The right shot**

Aristophanes · Sun Mar 13, 2016 4:09 am

So vote NL with us?

Aristophanes · Sun Mar 13, 2016 4:10 am

In post 1124, Shinobi wrote:Sure you will.

Lol

Aristophanes · Sun Mar 13, 2016 8:09 am

In post 1130, Shinobi wrote:You're probably just scum gloating about how he doesn't have to do anything to win.

Compelling argument

Aristophanes · Sun Mar 13, 2016 3:33 pm

At least we're all voting!

I wish this would speed up though.

Aristophanes · Sun Mar 13, 2016 4:10 pm

In post 1134, Something_Smart wrote:You'll hammer NL at deadline to avoid a... oh wait.

Hahaha!
I didn't catch that!

Too funny.

Aristophanes · Sun Mar 20, 2016 6:06 am

I posted some thoughts in the dead thread at the end. Had lots of fun and even though we didn't win, this last bit was very amusing.

Fire, read in the dead thread please! We love you!

RC, that was some mad AtE in the end there. You pulled it off well!

Shin, I'm sorry it ended this way. You fought so hard for so long that it was a shame it came to this!

Thanks for running it too, Tex! I enjoyed this, despite the low activity levels

Aristophanes · Sun Mar 20, 2016 10:28 am

In post 1319, RadiantCowbells wrote:I copy pasted the AtE that I had used in a previous game.

Read my last 30 posts in the most recent Alien Invaders mafia.

Hahaha really!?

Aristophanes · Sun Mar 20, 2016 3:41 pm

Fire, fine. No sympathy.

You made the wrong call, but your original gut was good.
You got played by RC, but haven't we all?

Now get our ass back to Mafia because you are fun to play with and I won't stand for this shit!
(But take a day or two if you need, as personal wellbeing should not be effected by the game. This part still isn't sympathy. It's true facts and I hope all I'd well my friend!)