Open 634: Sharing is Caring (Game Over)

[Masquerade]

How convenient, a vc right here.

VOTE: Kuroi
for being last.

[Masquerade]

Oh dear then we don't even get a misslynch :O Good thing you found them all!

I have absolutely no idea how to respond to anything yet. I usually read based on associations (pre-flip and post-flip) and interactions. So post, people!

[Masquerade]

And also
UNVOTE:

[Masquerade]

Oh dear then we don't even get a misslynch :O Good thing you found them all!

I have absolutely no idea how to respond to anything yet. I usually read based on associations (pre-flip and post-flip) and interactions. So post, people!

Or ask me anything, that works too. Sorry I need a little help to get started..

[Masquerade]

Who are your top-three town reads right now. If you can't think of any act as if someone's sticking a gun to your head and give three names off the top of your head.

You, Blacle and Kuroi.
Just one question: Why did you point out a possible townslip?
But I like that you're sort of taking the lead and I don't expect scum to do that. Is this something you do as scum as well?

Why would scum do something blatantly scummy if they knew it was blatantly scummy? Wouldn't you agree that's the kind of thing they would want to avoid?

No such thing as 'too scummy to be scum'. Good scum would actually be able to fake those kind of things. I'm not going to townread tex for what she did, I think it's null.

[Masquerade]

Prodge.

Catching up to all my games now, will get to this soon.

[Masquerade]

Masquerade after the game could you give me some insight into your town read of me. When I'm actually scum I need to be able to be town read! And this is the first game that I have not become scum king number 1 within my first 3 posts lol. Or better yet now would be better gotta make sure the read is genuine and all.

Your RVS-posts felt towny to me, especially 16.
However:

Wgeurts you can't answer my questions they are not for you And I'm voting to apply pressure. Can you vote with me so the pressure gets more um pressurized?

You just vote someone for this exact reason..

Why the unvote here?

I always unvote an RVS-vote once RVS seems to be over.

I don't like these questions so early in the day.

Why not?

I'm starting to lose interest..

I like Aneninen.

Ok I'll fully read this later. I just caught up on 3 other games I'm in and I really need a break rn.

[Masquerade]

@Blacle: Just tell me what you mean. It's weekend and most of it I will be drunk. Like rn.

[Masquerade]

First, it's you're. Second, I'm 31.

And drunk. Because after I do my volunteer job rght at the club I get a drink (or 2, maybe 3, really it's 4..)

[Masquerade]

Why are we kayaks?

[Masquerade]

Even though I really do not like what Blacle is doing, I don't think he's scum anymore. Went through his iso and this

I don't like that I'm agreeing with what wgeurts is saying. Its almost like hes forcing me to town read him by giving generally useful advice. Stop manipulating me!
[ unvote][/unvote]

shows that he already had some suspicion to wgeurts.
It's also not the first time I played with an idiot that thinks it's a good idea to make himself look like lynchbait, so there's that.

[Masquerade]

I have read a bunch already but had to go so wasn't able to post. Going to catch up on the rest but wanted to let you know I'm not the vig.

UNVOTE: (I actually have no idea where my vote was)

[Masquerade]

VOTE: Texcat

I'd need to make a quotewall to explain myself and I'd rather not do that. Instead, if you don't agree point me to a post you think is town and I'll explain why it's scum.

If there's anything anyone wants me to comment on, let me know. I think it's a good idea to stop talking about the PR's. My opinion is they should do what they see fit, and there's no reason to inform scum about anything.

[Masquerade]

UNVOTE:
I was lazy and just went to look into your iso and had a gutfeeling you were scum so I jumped the wagon. I normally check the votecount, no idea why I didn't this time.

@wgeurts:

Your RVS-posts felt towny to me, especially 16.
However:

However is the keyword here.

I'm still lazy but I'll try to get to iso-reads later tonight.

@Kuroi: How is not replacing out alignment indicative? (re: 343)

[Masquerade]

Sorry for my inactivity, been busy. Will catch up soon.

[Masquerade]

I will get into this somewhere tomorrow, I promise.

Btw, while skimming other games I heard that Kain siteflaked, so

mod

you might want to start looking for a replacement for that slot.

[Masquerade]

Hi!
This is yhe only active game for me and I'm drunk so I'm just going o drunkost here.

[Masquerade]

Why shotty?

(obviously I'm in no condistion to seriously catch up rn)

[Masquerade]

Skimmed his iso really fast and I have no objections butlet me sober up and reskim again.

I'ma reread somewhere after I sobered up and then follow my gut because it's more right than I am.

Think I'll put chat on for a while since it's been a while since the last post in this thred..

[Masquerade]

Oh hello there.

Lets talk

[Masquerade]

I have no idea what to think of wgeurts. It;s really easy for scum to fall back on theory-making posts (belive me I know) and that's what he;s shown. I trust what's-his-name-again to be town because he's unCC'ed, but that doesn;t mean his reads are by definition correct. It does mean I';m not ever lynching what's-his-name (sorry guysm, had wine, the red flavour)

Sorry for not remembering your name, what's-your-name.

And anything else I'd have to read up on but when I did my skim of shotty I didn't see anything impressive so don't much mind lynching him though not putting my vote there yet because I have to reread for actual scumreads. And don't give me the lurk-accusations because nobody did something remotely close to get me talking but Anen, and I'm kind of scumleaning him (or her, I dunno, the bird reminds me of TTH who is a she)

[Masquerade]

Sorry Blacle

[Masquerade]

So I'm here now and a little hung-over but gonna go and try to do the thing I have to do.
I think I might jump back to Texcat. I keep getting reminded how my gut tends to be correct, but I want to do complete rereads first.

[Masquerade]

So I read up on everything and I feel very comfortable voting for shotty now.

VOTE: drmyshottyizsik

This is L-1

I have mild to strong townreads on everyone on his wagon rn. I'm willing to accept Texcat could be misslynchbait so she can obvtown herself later.

[Masquerade]

UNVOTE:

So sorry but getting a sudden wave of hungover-ness and I really need to lie down. Should be all better tomorrow. Unvoting for now because don't want to leave L-1 if I can't be around.

@Maxous: I'll get back to you asap.

[Masquerade]

You guys suck.
on phone now back at pc in a few hours. And no longer sick. Will post vote from pc.

[Masquerade]

Change of plans, here now.

I got sick, instead of throwing up all over my pc I decided to go to bed. I didn't want to leave like that so I unvoted. The fact that I was voted for by Maxous in between those 2 posts had no influence whatsoever on my actions there.
When I voted Texcat I wasn't aware it was L-1, I'm still not townreading Texcat but I'm listening to several townreads ofmine that have said that Texcat gets misslynched a lot on D1. What is even wrong with that?
When I put someone at L-1 I want to be able to be around to see the reactions from other players, to see the reaction from the wagonee, to see a claim and be able to respond to all that before the thread gets locked. And before people say: why wouldn't you want your scumread to get lynched? The answer is that while I'm pretty sure shotty is scum, I just don't *know* that he is. (And I keep forgetting other people can unvote as well if needed)

VOTE: drmyshottyizsik

L-1

again.

Maxous: shotty's readslist sucks. Why else is he town?

[Masquerade]

What? Because on this page you said you're behind lynching me? You know you were sitting on a town?-read on me when I first voted you, right?
I have reasons but I'd just be repeating what's already been said. Lack of scumhunting, readslist with way too many scumreads with a lot of 'hard-to-read's and 'not-enough-content-yet's and gutfeelings. And you had me as gut-town?-lean and now you just flipped on me which leaves even less townreads.

[Masquerade]

You called my vote an omgus, why?

[Masquerade]

But I was responding to your response to my vote. I want you to address that.

[Masquerade]

There were really good reasons and you didn;t address them.
I'm still waiting for an answer to why you said my vote on you was omgus for instance.

[Masquerade]

I would like to know what people think is town about clumsy because I don't think I agree. He kinda stopped doing stuff during shotty's wagon while he wasn't scumreading him so why would he not question the votes on shotty at all? I think that's scum that doesn't really know what to do while their buddy is being lynched.
clumsy, convince me you're town.
texcat, you too.

[Masquerade]

Yeah and now unvote please because I'm the jk.

[Masquerade]

I shot at Masquerade. He's alive. He got docced or I got Jk'd or he got Jk'd If he isnt the cop he has no valuable pr for town. I'd say its best to lynch masquerade because it will not expose our JK and it will get rid of a player who likely scum due to the interraction between him and shotty in twilight.

I have not read any of the day so far. But I wanted to go ahead and say this before anybody influences me.

VOTE: Masquerade

You weren;'t supposed to shoot you stupid. Wish I was able to claim before nightfall anyway. I was writing my post but thread locked when I hit submit. ffs.

[Masquerade]

Yeah no I'm not trying to draw a cc here, I can prove it, hammer me.

[Masquerade]

Obviously I thought it was a good idea because YOU WERE GOING TO SHOOT ME! I wasn't planning on jk'ing you at all until you said you wanted to do that.

[Masquerade]

If you're referring to where I said 'hammer me' , I was being sarcastic there. Ofc I don't want be lynched.

[Masquerade]

Believe me, don't believe me. I don't have much more to say here. I already made a post today with reads if anyone feels like discussing that I'll see so tomorrow.

[Masquerade]

This is a well-designed setup. I've been trying to run out optimum PR strategy but it's really tough. For instance, you first think scum would want to kill claimed PRs as they're conftown, but since that would give more shots to the cop, no, that's not necessarily the case.

Scum still isn't going to want conftown around in lylo though. They're going to have to kill at least 2 of us to make sure they have a chance of having another unknown player in lylo. The cop should stay hidden at all costs and we need to be careful about running anyone to a claim anymore.

I kinda agree with Anen about wgeurts, I still think he could be scum. I also still have a scumlean on clumsy, but it;s gotten less because I kinda got the feeling he's awkward town? Not sure yet. Kuroi is mostly focused defending himself, maybe if he posted some reads I wouldn't agree with cakez. I didn't like the way Persivul jumped on my wagon. A page earlier he agreed with me on my clumsy-read and I felt he wanted to work with me and the next page he completely turns around. Also, what scum ever kills the person that is all over them outside newbie games? Seriously, that's like the biggest tell in the book. And I think he knows better.
I just realized something. His 710 it looks faked to me. Why would he comment on that? Also, there are sample rolepm's. Scum don;t have daytalk. So it feels like a way to pretend you look like you don't know. While you very well could as either alignment. (And with 3 scum pr's vs 3 town pr's daytalk wouldn't even make sense balance-wise)
Well, my scumread on Persivul is now stronger than on wgeurts. I don't believe they're scum together, so this is really conflicting my brains..
I'm not going to vote yet, I'll give wgeurts and Persivul a chance to respond and redeem themselves. I'll look into Kuroi and clumsy again, and I'd like it if some other people could try harder to obvtown themselves because right now I don't have really strong townreads anymore.

[Masquerade]

Actually, the reason I got that drunk that night is because I barely drink

[Masquerade]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Buddying

[Masquerade]

Did you actually read the definition or do you just assume that I think you're scum for it? Because I haven't said a thing.

[Masquerade]

Oh and I realize that I'm assuming what you;'re thinking without knowing. I did that because I felt an antagonistic tone in your post.

[Masquerade]

Ok I got that tone right then.
Actually, I was thinking there was also the possibility of you subconsciously buddying me by attacking Persivul's attack on me. I didn't really see it as something alignment indicative.
Do you see ad hominem as alignment indicative?

[Masquerade]

Actually, I was thinking there was also the possibility of you subconsciously buddying me by attacking Persivul's attack on me. I didn't really see it as something alignment indicative.

Did you see where you were on my last read list? You weren't strong town.

That doesn't matter. My claim hasn't been proven false since then so has to be true, so even if you consciously still have reservations you could still unknowingly be auto-choosign my side in arguments because you know my alignment.

If you want to vote me, do it and stop playing footsie with me.

What, like you are with Persivul?

Do you see ad hominem as alignment indicative?

No, I see it as a lack of fluid logic. I base my votes based on logic and encourage others to do the same.[/quote]
What did Persivul's response to me tell you about him?

[Masquerade]

Did a quick skim of Kuroi and I feel like voting him. Don't have much time and want to check on a couple other things, also Kuroi is weekend-v/la so it's not likely he's going to respond soon anyway.
I don't believe his responses to me earlier this day came from town but so far that's my stongest argument and mostly because of his tone.

[Masquerade]

I'll let the topic rest after I said this:
I wasn't so much saving myself as much as I was trying to prevent scum from getting a *free* NK on town. We can talk about this more postgame if you want.

Ok I could lynch wgeurts as well. I don't really care who goes first.

[Masquerade]

I actually don't want to lynch wgeurts. Can we go back to Kuroi please?

VOTE: Kuroi

[Masquerade]

Do you realize you haven't pushed anything today? Who are your scumreads Kuroi?

[Masquerade]

Do you realize I'm uncc'ed JK?

[Masquerade]

Why is that, Kuroi? You'd like to see heat on us, but don't vote us? Or make any argument for why we are scum?

VOTE: KuroiXHF

Holy shit, that was a horrible post. If I want to see heat on someone, I would HAVE to vote them? Why the hell are your reactions so terrible?

This is your 'push'.. It's kind of usual for town to vote their scumreads and you completely forget about making any arguments for why texcat is scum.

[Masquerade]

Has everyone else gone through and confirmed there are no CCs? If yes, we can confirm him to be town. If not, I want to wait until everyone stops by before I can take him off the table for scum.

This was Friday.

[Masquerade]

Right, since I came back from the weekend. There was no jailkeeper claim since the beginning of the weekend.

[Masquerade]

And that psot I quoted from you shows you;re aware of the claim as well.

[Masquerade]

We could have lynched Kuroi instead and the replacement could have entered during a night that could have gotten frozen until slot was filled. Oh well. I don't like this lynch one bit. Anen misrepresented, either by mistake or on purpose, wgeurts' activity and I'm sure everybody on his wagon did not bother to check that. I know a replacement could have *cleaned the slot up* if it is idd scum, but sometimes townies are just horribly wrong. You can;t tell me you never had a townread on scum yourself.

Anyway, goodnight.

[Masquerade]

I'm talking about his activity, not his request to replace out.

[Masquerade]

Like, I'm happy this day didn't get dragged on waiting for a replacement for wgeurts, but I'd rather have seen Kuroi getting lynched today.

[Masquerade]

GG.
Well done to Chilled, Anen, Pers and also Cakes. That was an exciting lylo/mylo to follow.