Open 634: Sharing is Caring (Game Over)

[SirCakez]

Well then
VOTE: Kuroi
Agree with the above + listed reasons earlier

[SirCakez]

Wait wgeurts hasn't come in yet whoops. If he's the JK I'll move back asap.

[wgeurts]

I'm not, catching up this afternoon once I'm finally free after this busy week.

[chilledtea]

UNVOTE: masq

I guess he was the jailkeeper then.

[Aneninen]

Read the thread.

Here's my first thought.
Neither the JK nor the Vig should do anything Tonight. We have one single Night Action left; let the Cop do their job.
By doing so, we may have 5 conf-town player for Tomorrow if the Cop finds two Town. If that happens the game gets broken.

[Aneninen]

I meant

*I've read the thread.

[Persivul]

Read the thread.

Here's my first thought.
Neither the JK nor the Vig should do anything Tonight. We have one single Night Action left; let the Cop do their job.
By doing so, we may have 5 conf-town player for Tomorrow if the Cop finds two Town. If that happens the game gets broken.

That was my first thought too, but if we announce this, scum can kill the JK or the vig tonight. Then the cop won't want to claim because he'll have another shot. Not saying it won't work, just saying we need to really run it out and make sure.

[Aneninen]

Mobilepost.
I still think Wgeurts is scum.
His Twilight post looks fake knowing the flip. Also, anyone can examine the difference between his reactions to the shotty wagon and my one to the Texcat wagon.
As far as I remember he told it was the same.
I think he was hesitant to take the risk to derail the shottx wagon actively.

VOTE: Wgeurts

[Aneninen]

Persivul. Let me think. As for your latest.

[KuroiXHF]

You've thought of me as scum more than once this game, but I don't believe you've given me a reason why.

Maybe because you're so concerned about yourself.

Asking a question equals concern about myself to the scum degree? If you're reaching for straws, you might want to be a bit more slick about it.

i'm not a jailkeeper

VOTE: KuroiXHF

quick tl;dr: he was really aggressive early, got very quiet during the scum lynch and looks quiet and demotivated now because he lost a buddy

i'll give more thoughts tonight/tomorrow, sorry.

All I can say about heading into the scum lynch was that I was heading into a V/LA and was low on time since I was preparing for my event. When I came back from my event, there was already a lynch.

Well then
VOTE: Kuroi
Agree with the above + listed reasons earlier

At least I'm now fairly sure you're town. You've been more or less consistent on me.

[Persivul]

His Twilight post looks fake knowing the flip.

Yeah, I've been thinking that if there's day talk we'll see discussion of it there.

[Maxous]

I still think Wgeurts is scum.
His Twilight post looks fake knowing the flip. Also, anyone can examine the difference between his reactions to the shotty wagon and my one to the Texcat wagon.
As far as I remember he told it was the same.
I think he was hesitant to take the risk to derail the shottx wagon actively.

i do think his strategy of "staying silent" for a wagon that he was convinced was flipping town was a bit ridiculous

[Masquerade]

This is a well-designed setup. I've been trying to run out optimum PR strategy but it's really tough. For instance, you first think scum would want to kill claimed PRs as they're conftown, but since that would give more shots to the cop, no, that's not necessarily the case.

Scum still isn't going to want conftown around in lylo though. They're going to have to kill at least 2 of us to make sure they have a chance of having another unknown player in lylo. The cop should stay hidden at all costs and we need to be careful about running anyone to a claim anymore.

I kinda agree with Anen about wgeurts, I still think he could be scum. I also still have a scumlean on clumsy, but it;s gotten less because I kinda got the feeling he's awkward town? Not sure yet. Kuroi is mostly focused defending himself, maybe if he posted some reads I wouldn't agree with cakez. I didn't like the way Persivul jumped on my wagon. A page earlier he agreed with me on my clumsy-read and I felt he wanted to work with me and the next page he completely turns around. Also, what scum ever kills the person that is all over them outside newbie games? Seriously, that's like the biggest tell in the book. And I think he knows better.
I just realized something. His 710 it looks faked to me. Why would he comment on that? Also, there are sample rolepm's. Scum don;t have daytalk. So it feels like a way to pretend you look like you don't know. While you very well could as either alignment. (And with 3 scum pr's vs 3 town pr's daytalk wouldn't even make sense balance-wise)
Well, my scumread on Persivul is now stronger than on wgeurts. I don't believe they're scum together, so this is really conflicting my brains..
I'm not going to vote yet, I'll give wgeurts and Persivul a chance to respond and redeem themselves. I'll look into Kuroi and clumsy again, and I'd like it if some other people could try harder to obvtown themselves because right now I don't have really strong townreads anymore.

[Persivul]

Oh happy day, the drunk is going to give me a chance to redeem myself...

[Masquerade]

Actually, the reason I got that drunk that night is because I barely drink

[KuroiXHF]

Oh happy day, the drunk is going to give me a chance to redeem myself...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

[Masquerade]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Buddying

[KuroiXHF]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Buddying

Disproving someone's criticism means that I'm trying to buddy up to you?

[Masquerade]

Did you actually read the definition or do you just assume that I think you're scum for it? Because I haven't said a thing.

[KuroiXHF]

It's blatantly clear than buddying is a scum tactic, and that you were accusing me of buddying and, by extension, scum. Please don't be coy.

[Masquerade]

Oh and I realize that I'm assuming what you;'re thinking without knowing. I did that because I felt an antagonistic tone in your post.

[Masquerade]

Ok I got that tone right then.
Actually, I was thinking there was also the possibility of you subconsciously buddying me by attacking Persivul's attack on me. I didn't really see it as something alignment indicative.
Do you see ad hominem as alignment indicative?

[KuroiXHF]

Actually, I was thinking there was also the possibility of you subconsciously buddying me by attacking Persivul's attack on me. I didn't really see it as something alignment indicative.

Did you see where you were on my last read list? You weren't strong town. If you want to vote me, do it and stop playing footsie with me.

Do you see ad hominem as alignment indicative?

No, I see it as a lack of fluid logic. I base my votes based on logic and encourage others to do the same.

[Persivul]

No, I see it as a lack of fluid logic. I base my votes based on logic and encourage others to do the same.

Didn't work out so well for you yesterday...

[Masquerade]

Actually, I was thinking there was also the possibility of you subconsciously buddying me by attacking Persivul's attack on me. I didn't really see it as something alignment indicative.

Did you see where you were on my last read list? You weren't strong town.

That doesn't matter. My claim hasn't been proven false since then so has to be true, so even if you consciously still have reservations you could still unknowingly be auto-choosign my side in arguments because you know my alignment.

If you want to vote me, do it and stop playing footsie with me.

What, like you are with Persivul?

Do you see ad hominem as alignment indicative?

No, I see it as a lack of fluid logic. I base my votes based on logic and encourage others to do the same.[/quote]
What did Persivul's response to me tell you about him?