Open 635 - JK9++ (Game Over)

Titus · Tue Apr 26, 2016 4:17 am

In post 1785, Thor665 wrote:What were my original goalposts then? Can you describe them?

And, ah, now we're back to the 'yeah, I didn't claim'.

Who is moving what now?

Scum.

You didn't refute being doctor. Most people would call me out.

@RC, If you vote Dave, I will. I am not voting Postie.

Titus · Tue Apr 26, 2016 4:26 am

VOTE: Daveaz

Titus · Tue Apr 26, 2016 4:38 am

In post 1791, Thor665 wrote:
In post 1788, Titus wrote:
In post 1785, Thor665 wrote:What were my original goalposts then? Can you describe them?

And, ah, now we're back to the 'yeah, I didn't claim'.

Who is moving what now?

Scum.

You didn't refute being doctor.
Most
people would call me out.

@RC, If you vote Dave, I will. I am not voting Postie.

I see a *small* flaw in your logic for calling me scum over that.
What could it be, what could it be...?

Basically what you're saying is "I think town would do this" with no actual supporting reasoning to even show that most town would do it, and assuredly no reasoning to show that I'm that town.

Then you keep lying about stuff to my face while claiming that your case makes sense.

My case history is that everyone smart calls out someone for doing what I did and calls them a liar. Every time.

I do not think you're dumb, so you were hedging.

You're always welcome to show where smart town hedged and prove me wrong.

Burden is on the persuader dude.

Titus · Tue Apr 26, 2016 4:54 am

In post 1798, Thor665 wrote:
In post 1795, Titus wrote:My case history is that everyone smart calls out someone for doing what I did and calls them a liar. Every time.

I do not think you're dumb, so you were hedging.

You're always welcome to show where smart town hedged and prove me wrong.

Burden is on the persuader dude.

Burden is on the accused not the accuser?
Lulz.

But, okay;

Give me a suggestion for a good way to search for that in game threads and I'll happily provide examples.

Find someone who accused someone else of claiming a role that was impossible. Where town didn't refute the claim.

Plus, this isn't a theoretical courtroom but a mafia claim. People couldn't RVS in court.

Most jurors assume the guy is guilty from the start and cops never lie anyway.

Titus · Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:22 am

Postie, calling Ranger insane is insulting.

@Thor, you quoting that and arguing might save you a lot of hassle if you want to argue you're a special snowflake. I will be verifying it later but you're down from confscum to prob scum.

Titus · Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:29 am

@Postie, Good because you're going to have to work with them, barring unforseen circumstances.

@Thor, Being an Aspie, I wouldn't get it anyway.

Titus · Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:31 am

I wasn't looking for a "freakout". Just a comment like follows:

Your dayvig is impossible. Nice try.

Titus · Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:33 am

In post 1815, Thor665 wrote:
In post 1813, Titus wrote:@Thor, Being an Aspie, I wouldn't get it anyway.

Then be aware of where it hurts you and don't random hard tunnel on derp and lies?

You don't get it. Aspies don't lie much and have a strong sense of right and wrong compared to most.

As for saying don't Derp, gee that's why we call it scumhunting instead of scum knowing.

Titus · Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:40 am

In post 1818, Thor665 wrote:
In post 1816, Titus wrote:I wasn't looking for a "freakout". Just a comment like follows:

Your dayvig is impossible. Nice try.

The grass is green.

Why did you say that and spam?

Titus · Tue Apr 26, 2016 12:06 pm

Except, you'd say it if it was that easy. It feels like you want a choice based on whether to CC or not based on how the wind blows. Given how my other scum reads weretreating you and each other, stopping you from CCing when convenient for scum is a good idea. Force y'all to bus.

Titus · Tue Apr 26, 2016 12:09 pm

In post 1821, SirCakez wrote:How is Titus caught in a massclaim if she's scum?

Jk+++ and the variants are what is known as "letters" setups. There are only a finite number of possible combinations of PRs.

When we inevitably PR or VT massclaim, we can determine possible setups.

Then we claim letters (I need one letter or two to exist).

Then claim exact roles.

It makes it harder to fake claim.

All stages should be done with popcorn method, with the last of any given round being the first of the next.

Titus · Tue Apr 26, 2016 6:56 pm

In post 1826, Anarchy Shard wrote:Alright, I've got a counter wagon I think we can agree on.

VOTE: Thor665

While I did like his entry, the last page or so just looks like meaningless spam. I may be missing some context here, but yeah. Combined with the fact that his predecessors did nothing pro-Town in the slightest... Let's do it.

Um what? His recent posting is actually much better?

Titus · Tue Apr 26, 2016 6:57 pm

In post 1831, Expedience wrote:
In post 1828, SirCakez wrote:Aero and Expe need to get their votes onto a wagon that will actually happen.
Anarchy that's not happening today.

You being town isn't actually happening.

I think TItus and davesaz are town, and davesaz's self meta slayer's gambit cancer is indicative of him being town.

VOTE: Thor665

I'd rather vote Cakey than Thor at the moment.

Titus · Tue Apr 26, 2016 7:51 pm

In post 1836, Expedience wrote:But I
desperately need
to get my vote onto a wagon that's actually happening.

I really don't want to vote davesaz, so this is the only vote that makes sense. If people voted SirCakez then I would vote him for sure.

Thor is less likely than Cakey IMO.

*shrug*

I am literally consistently voting the biggest scumread on mine and tried pushing Cakey for days. At this point, I am just voting the biggest wagon that's not on my townreads.

Titus · Wed Apr 27, 2016 6:12 am

@Thor, so you're approach to mislynch on me is to shit on everyone voting Dave but not explicitly townread Dave?

Titus · Wed Apr 27, 2016 6:13 am

In post 1857, Anarchy Shard wrote:I guess since Scourge has vanished, I'll just apologize for this when she gets back.

VOTE: SirCakez

Consider me a vote on this if it goes.

Titus · Wed Apr 27, 2016 8:21 am

I need more heals.

Do these wagons suggest that one one of Cakey/Dave is town or neither are?

Titus · Sat Apr 30, 2016 7:14 am

Ranger is conftown guys.

Titus · Sat Apr 30, 2016 7:15 am

VOTE: SirCakez

Titus · Sat Apr 30, 2016 7:24 am

No. You planned to kill Ranger to highlight and push for my mislynch. You have done zero questioning for the most part, only passing value judgment. Second, your theory requires totally moronic scumplay.

You're trying to fit facts to theory instead of theories to facts.

Titus · Sat Apr 30, 2016 7:28 am

No. Your push is to mislynch me. You can't argue a scum!Titus team is shooting people who would never vote for me. Second, Ranger said she had suggestive evidence on my slot. By murdering her, you could argue that is whatever you wanted post flip.

Titus · Sat Apr 30, 2016 7:36 am

And I am saying your team killed Ranger to push a Titus scum narrative. Only when you saw no one died did you dare suggest this plan of Titus got some of the smartest players in the game to no kill.

Titus · Sat Apr 30, 2016 7:38 am

In post 1813, Titus wrote:@Postie, Good because you're going to have to work with them, [context:Ranger] barring unforseen circumstances.

@Thor, Being an Aspie, I wouldn't get it anyway.

Titus · Sat Apr 30, 2016 7:44 am

In post 1895, SirCakez wrote:How is that logical? If I was scum and wanted to mislynch you then I'd kill someone like SMGO who is hard defending you, not someone who is hard scumreading you and wants you dead.

That kill doesn't make sense from a Titus!scum perspective though. We both know that. Killing SMGO would be tantamount to clearing me as Titus!scum wouldn't kill people never voting for her.

So seriously, you're going with some of the smartest players on this site or in the game at all, deliberately no killed?

That's the theory?

Titus · Sat Apr 30, 2016 7:46 am

There's other, more plausible, theories but the theory you chose clearly shows you expected a dead Ranger and didn't actually think through the options.

Titus · Sat Apr 30, 2016 7:48 am

In post 1898, SirCakez wrote:Who are these "smartest players on site" you keep mentioning?

Everyone in the game that I have played with.

Titus · Sat Apr 30, 2016 7:49 am

And that's everyone I think. :-p

Titus · Sat Apr 30, 2016 11:47 am

SirCakez, suppose I'm town, what are your reads?

Titus · Sat Apr 30, 2016 12:02 pm

...

If we go massclaim, it's PR or VT popcorn. You should probably popcorn that RC to someone who hasn't claimed PR or VT...

Titus · Sat Apr 30, 2016 12:20 pm

We've got 3-4 stated or strongly implied PRs. It's probably a good idea to get that out of the way so we can get an idea of the possible letters in the game. :nod:

I don't think we can fix an order though by doing a popcorn letters claiming system.

Or we could just have me or Ranger assign the order. Popcorn is objectively better but that supposes a set-up with no conftown.

Titus · Sat Apr 30, 2016 12:27 pm

Why those four?

Titus · Sat Apr 30, 2016 3:59 pm

Why are those three in the scum pool?

Titus · Sat Apr 30, 2016 8:06 pm

Ranger, pardon me but what the fuck? You might as well say whatever your beef with me is at this point.

Titus · Sun May 01, 2016 3:42 am

In post 1929, Thor665 wrote:@Titus - I think it's called a cross claim.

Also;

@Titus - why are you still attached to your Dave/Cakez/Thor scumteam in any way considering how Dave flipped? Why aren't you...y'know, reassessing things?

If he's counterclaiming me, he should say it directly.

I'll always be attached to SirCakez scum until he shows otherwise. I cannot remember the last time I was wrong reading him.

Titus · Sun May 01, 2016 6:25 am

In post 1932, Thor665 wrote:
In post 1931, Titus wrote:I'll always be attached to SirCakez scum until he shows otherwise. I cannot remember the last time I was wrong reading him.

Okay, so he is scum due to tunnel.

But, with your conspiracy case falling down around your ears - where are your reads right now?

Sorry, Cakey is scum. I will worry about the other scum after I flip Cakey.

The way you are defending him is still artificial. The fact is I haven't been wrong in reading Cakey in quite awhile. I'm perfectly fine starting with everything from a Cakey is scum position.

You don't like it, try to prove he's town. Attacking me for knowing how to read Cakey is going to get you nowhere stat.

Titus · Sun May 01, 2016 6:25 am

In post 1933, Thor665 wrote:Because theoretically you should have at least one of your "so obv. town as to allow us to PoE the game and point out how scum is desperately stuck in a corner" town reads being scum now, yeah?

I do. I keep compromising away from Cakey and being a helpful Titus. That's not going to happen anymore this game.

Titus · Sun May 01, 2016 6:37 am

1) Deflect less. It might help you in your quest to appear town.

2) That's exactly what you're doing now by chainsawing. I compromised onto Dave because my townreads weren't voting him so I had a zero percent chance of getting Cakey lynched. It was Dave or me. I still don't trust you to be town anyway.

3) I have and I'm demonstrating by examples when I'm interacting with Cakey but your mudslinging is interrupting the process.

Titus · Sun May 01, 2016 6:38 am

In post 1930, SirCakez wrote:
In post 1920, Titus wrote:Why are those three in the scum pool?

Expe because his read on me is cancerously bad and his townread on you stinks
Postie for being stuck on Thor/3dice for most of yesterday and now today as well despite both being pretty townie to me
Anarchy for their terrible jump on me today and general lack of contribution yesterday

Massclaim is fine but some sort of order needs to be put together. Or popcorn.

These aren't reads. These are people who are against me are scum.

Where's the actual analysis Cakey? You and I both know you can't fake a read for shit as scum.

Titus · Sun May 01, 2016 6:45 am

In post 1939, Postie wrote:If no one's suggesting a claim order I'll do it:

SirCakez -> Thor665 -> 3dicerolling -> Expedience -> Aeronaut -> Ranger -> The Show Must Go On -> Postie

Nope. Ranger needs to be further up.

SirCakey or Ranger -> The Other One -> Aeronaut - > Thor -> 3dice -> Anarchy -> Expedience -> SMGO -> Postie

That's a much better order. We want CCs and scum in the front, not the back. Aero lurking like a mack truck means we want him to claim first.

Titus · Sun May 01, 2016 8:28 am

Nope.

He's not claiming until Ranger claims.

Titus · Sun May 01, 2016 8:31 am

In post 1953, SirCakez wrote:Why the hell should Ranger claim?
From your perspective she's confirmed town...

So everyone can know why Ranger's got messed up and if she claims the obvious deduction, we can doctor circle and be really fucking overpowered.

She just has to be set straight first.

Titus · Sun May 01, 2016 8:34 am

In post 1955, The Show Must Go On wrote:I think I should claim early to prevent Postie from being able to game the claim if she's scum.

Fine, if you think so but I strongly feel Ranger should claim next. You have your own information that I lack though so :/

Titus · Sun May 01, 2016 8:34 am

In post 1956, SirCakez wrote:
In post 1954, Titus wrote:
In post 1953, SirCakez wrote:Why the hell should Ranger claim?
From your perspective she's confirmed town...

So everyone can know why Ranger's got messed up and if she claims the obvious deduction, we can doctor circle and be really fucking overpowered.

She just has to be set straight first.

This makes no sense

That's because you do not have a town PM.

Titus · Sun May 01, 2016 8:49 am

In post 1963, The Show Must Go On wrote:Actually don't.

I'm deciding the lynch order from now on.

In post 1964, The Show Must Go On wrote:Expedience -> Thor -> Sircakez -> Ranger -> TSMGO -> Postie -> Aeronaut

acceptable to all?

Context here... did you mean you decide the claim order? I'm not fine with a lynch order being decided without my input ever.

Titus · Sun May 01, 2016 8:54 am

Ranger should be claiming next. Cakey claimed VT. Aeronaut being a lurksack means he should be claiming much earlier than where you have him. It's probably NAI but it makes me feel uncomfortable.

Titus · Sun May 01, 2016 1:57 pm

In post 1989, Postie wrote:
In post 1986, Aeronaut wrote:Eh I like that slot. What's wrong with lynching the Thor/Witch Hunter slot?

Scum won't let us wagon them.

Ditto, I'd go there but I want Cakey on a pike today.

Titus · Sun May 01, 2016 2:09 pm

In post 1988, Aeronaut wrote:Titus have you claimed any protections?

Ranger N2.

My N1 target lived, and I crumbed it. If it becomes an issue, I'll show where.

Titus · Sun May 01, 2016 4:03 pm

@Thor, if Ranger's telling the truth, that's scum's only play is to tunnel one of the doctors most likely.

Titus · Mon May 02, 2016 3:55 am

Thor, we never agreed to popcorn either. In fact, popcorn is almost unilaterally my suggestion. Given you think I am scum allegedly, why is popcorn ok but the order (suggested by your presumably townread) not?

Titus · Mon May 02, 2016 4:25 am

In post 2009, Thor665 wrote:Because popcorn is objectively a better method, and while we're at it, if you believe that - why did you hop onto the claim order bandwagon with your own suggested order?

Popcorn became less than ideal when my townreads implied objective reasons for wanting to go last.

Titus · Mon May 02, 2016 3:34 pm

In post 2015, Anarchy Shard wrote:In that case, why did no one question Postie's insistence on claiming last? I think I may have seen it mentioned, but not as much as it should have been if that's the expectation...?

Postie is obvtown.

I am not posting much for the rest of the day. Been a hell of a day. Spent 2.5 hours trying to find my car this morning.

Titus · Tue May 03, 2016 11:50 am

Newsflash. I am INA really cranky mood. Do not poke the bear or else you will get a real cranky reaction.

Titus · Tue May 03, 2016 5:42 pm

In post 2035, Anarchy Shard wrote:Tense western whistling as a tumbleweed blows through the thread.

We need MATERIAL.

How about... Instead of waiting around on an indefinitely drawn out massclaim... We start throwing votes on people so we can squeeze some content out of this game.
I'll start.

VOTE: Aeronaut
For taking too darn long to get in here and claim.
Dragging out the massclaim by not responding COULD be a clever tactic to delay RC's results, thereby giving us less time to process/discuss them.

You just unvoted the biggest and best wagon though. Plus, RC will not go for that wagon. If he won't for the reasons I think. I won't either.

Titus · Wed May 04, 2016 3:28 am

That post by experience really shitted on my townread of Experience.

Titus · Wed May 04, 2016 9:29 am

I want Ranger to go next. She's already claimed anyway. 3dice can then go. Ranger needs to explicitly spell out Jail or Doc though.

3dice should then e pressured.

Titus · Wed May 04, 2016 10:51 am

In post 2065, Anarchy Shard wrote:The only investigative role is Tracker, right?

Until there's only one Mafia left, I don't see how Tracker could possibly have a 100% clear.

Which means that Ranger would only know this if they protected TSMGO last night.

But then Titus claims to have protected Ranger as well, so as far as I'm concerned, neither Ranger not TSMGO have a "100%" clear. Especially with the possibility of SK out there, where even saving one life doesn't guarantee Town. Though once the massclaim has been sorted out, we'll know if SK is applicable.

No scum flips so why are you saying there's only one mafia... like huh

Titus · Wed May 04, 2016 2:12 pm

In post 2068, Thor665 wrote:
In post 2063, Titus wrote:I want Ranger to go next. She's already claimed anyway. 3dice can then go. Ranger needs to explicitly spell out Jail or Doc though.

3dice should then e pressured.

To your mind shouldn't Ranger go last, being confirmed town and all to you?

I thought Ranger was tracker and I was blocked. Given RC soft, there are other explanations.

Titus · Wed May 04, 2016 2:31 pm

@RC, Do you see multiple role crumbs?

Titus · Wed May 04, 2016 6:46 pm

Ranger it is your turn. Aero's IRL lurking so he gets skipped.

Titus · Wed May 04, 2016 7:07 pm

Same difference.

Ranger claim.

Titus · Thu May 05, 2016 4:33 am

@Thor, I will answer after RC claims.

Titus · Thu May 05, 2016 12:00 pm

There's less than a 10% chance of two doctors and it requires a jailkeeper.

So if Ranger and I are both town, Postie is conftown.
If Ranger is scum, Postie is null by setup alone, town by play.
If Postie is scum, so is Ranger.

Titus · Thu May 05, 2016 2:34 pm

In post 2127, Ranger wrote:
Postie wrote:How plausible is two doctors?
Not only that, but two doctors, a tracker, a jailkeeper, and whatever RC's claiming.

PPPI +RC (either one or two extra letters) is what we'd be looking at, leaving us with a setup that's 5 or 6 letters, leaving 1 or two Ts. (That would be 1x Busdriver, JOAT, and depending, maybe-SK.)

That many letters in a game is not impossible.

It is, however, rather improbable.

Any specific setup is improbable.

Titus · Thu May 05, 2016 2:55 pm

In post 2125, SirCakez wrote:So now we can cut the bullshit and lynch Titus, yeah?

We should lynch Cakey based on this comment alone.

Titus · Thu May 05, 2016 3:56 pm

Hmm...wtf?

Titus · Thu May 05, 2016 4:09 pm

I'm here.

Right now we should wait on 3dice's claim before conclusions. I think that both Ranger and I are town, and therefore Postie must be town. Ranger's soft always looked townie, that's why I healed him. I wanted to heal you because you would defend me but I had to heal the PR soft.

I see Cakey and others jumping down the cop claims as eww. If Ranger is town, scum are in shit loads of trouble. We can almost have a 3 way doc circle.

That's why Cakey has been fidgety. He feels I saw Ranger town and that's 90 percent of the way to fuck's vile.

Titus · Thu May 05, 2016 4:10 pm

Cop claims = doc claims

Titus · Thu May 05, 2016 4:17 pm

In post 2147, Postie wrote:What if scum have a JOAT?

That's part of almost. Still murdering in us three would be difficult as hell for scum.

Titus · Thu May 05, 2016 4:17 pm

In post 2148, The Show Must Go On wrote:
In post 2145, Titus wrote:I'm here.

Right now we should wait on 3dice's claim before conclusions. I think that both Ranger and I are town, and therefore Postie must be town. Ranger's soft always looked townie, that's why I healed him. I wanted to heal you because you would defend me but I had to heal the PR soft.

I see Cakey and others jumping down the cop claims as eww. If Ranger is town, scum are in shit loads of trouble. We can almost have a 3 way doc circle.

That's why Cakey has been fidgety. He feels I saw Ranger town and that's 90 percent of the way to fuck's vile.

Going off this reasoning isn't Anarchy's reaction by far the worst?
Like she literally suggested that the docs shouldn't mutually target because they'll just be broken up anyway?
Like if that's the case what's the value in doccing others anyway?

No. See JOAT.

Titus · Thu May 05, 2016 4:18 pm

There's a large difference between lynch the docs v doc heal has problems.

Titus · Thu May 05, 2016 4:42 pm

In post 2152, The Show Must Go On wrote:FTR Ranger is confirmed town.

Assuming that's true, Postie is too.

Titus · Thu May 05, 2016 4:51 pm

Is Ranger town for the reason I think RC?

Titus · Thu May 05, 2016 4:53 pm

I wasn't meaning to fish a claim.

just reaffirm but sorry...

Titus · Thu May 05, 2016 5:00 pm

Exp, your reads?

Titus · Thu May 05, 2016 5:46 pm

In post 2167, Expedience wrote:Ranger: town
Titus: town
Anarchy Shard: scum
Expedience: town
Postie: scum
Thor665: town
SirCakez: idk
3dicerolling: idk
Frozen Angel: idk (would say this is scum over the other two idks)
The Show Must Go On: town

Unless the claimed PR letters add up nicely, in which case I think all of them are telling the truth rather than 2 lying.

This reads list is impossible. 2 docs requires a jailkeeper.

Titus · Thu May 05, 2016 6:06 pm

In post 2174, Postie wrote:Thor is still scum. The remaining scum are in Cakez/Anarchy/3dice, probably Cakez/Anarchy.

Not a terrible lynch but I like expedience in thor's place

Titus · Thu May 05, 2016 6:31 pm

In post 2177, Expedience wrote:
In post 2170, RadiantCowbells wrote:Why did you vote FA over Anarchy Shard who you put down as scum?

I think at least one if not both of the people I tracked were forced into claiming VT when they would've rather claimed PR.

I was expecting RC to claim tracker.

Umm... RC has not claimed yet.

Titus · Thu May 05, 2016 7:26 pm

So we have PPPIR.

RC checked Ranger and got Doctor.
So if RC is town Ranger is town unless Ranger was swapped with me with a one shot bus driver.
If Ranger is town, then Postie must be town.

So Ranger, RC and Postie are all terrible lynches ever.

7 letters... PPPIR are claimed. That's TT = Mafia Goon, Mafia 1-Shot Bus Driver, Mafia JOAT or the same setup with an SK.

For RC not to get a result, there must be a roleblocker with no gun shot.

I'm ok with tentatively slotting RC as town and the followup from that. I was townreading by them based off play.

Titus · Thu May 05, 2016 7:32 pm

We can use Postie to block one person out of Thor/SirCakez/FA/3dice and have Expedience track another.

RC can then rolecop either me or Expedience (scum won't know which one).

Titus · Thu May 05, 2016 7:32 pm

In post 2183, Postie wrote:
In post 2182, Titus wrote:For RC not to get a result, there must be a roleblocker with no gun shot.
In post 2124, Postie wrote:I jailkept Ranger night 1 and TSMGO night 2.

Thanks sorry was a total derp.

Titus · Thu May 05, 2016 7:36 pm

Yeah so that explains the block.

So Ranger can only be scum if RC submitted the kill OR scum burned their bus driver N1 and swapped me for Ranger.

So if we get hinky results, we should claim them.

I still think my plan is best.

We can use Postie to block one person out of Thor/SirCakez/FA/3dice and have Expedience track another.

RC can then rolecop either me or Expedience (scum won't know which one).

Titus · Thu May 05, 2016 7:57 pm

I don't want a lynch to go through until 3dice slot claims.

Titus · Thu May 05, 2016 8:11 pm

Ok, I'm just like totally braindead.

Will read tomorrow, and thus accept the probability I was a poopy head but for my Cakey read D1.

Titus · Fri May 06, 2016 3:38 am

In post 2200, Thor665 wrote:
In post 2109, Thor665 wrote:
In post 2075, Titus wrote:I thought Ranger was tracker and I was blocked. Given RC soft, there are other explanations.
If you thought that, what did you think stopped the kill?

I thought RC was hider.

There are three possibilities
1) Kill was on Ranger I stopped it
2) Kill was on TSMGO
3) Kill was by whoever Postie jailed

Titus · Fri May 06, 2016 8:02 am

RC, join me on Cakey? *bats eyelashes*

Titus · Fri May 06, 2016 8:07 am

^^^ Comments like this make me thing you know Anarchy is town.

I was derping all over the place last night. Wanted to check my work.

Titus · Fri May 06, 2016 9:22 am

Why are you not considering Cakey/Thor/FA?

Titus · Fri May 06, 2016 1:58 pm

@Thor/Cakey/Anarchy/RC

Thoughts of town!RC trying to check Ranger N1 but checking me instead by accident? Plausible yes or no?

Titus · Fri May 06, 2016 2:18 pm

I was thinking more swap anyone who would check me, given I had a fixed claim.

Titus · Fri May 06, 2016 2:20 pm

I dunno, probably nothing but interactions there aren't quite acting up.

Exp never tracking me. RC rolecopping Ranger... Those two act is do not make sense to me but people rarely do.

The depths to which Cakey is defended also don't sit right to me.

Titus · Fri May 06, 2016 2:21 pm

In post 2248, The Show Must Go On wrote:As in, with the intent of causing a fake guilty on you?

No, because if Ranger is scum there's no bus driver.

How is that true?

RC Postie Exp Titus town still leaves a Joat right?

Titus · Fri May 06, 2016 2:27 pm

Shot Anarchy and then the other person we healed.

The other option requires RC scum or SK but that doesn't match with play.

Titus · Fri May 06, 2016 2:27 pm

In post 2252, The Show Must Go On wrote:Actually, nope!
That doesn't leave a bus driver.
Titus, you were wrong on Davesaz and CMM. If you're town, can you please trust me here?

I could go to Thor. Not Anarchy.

Cakey dies by lylo.

Titus · Fri May 06, 2016 2:30 pm

I cannot vote Anarchy. I can go to Thor or FA.

Anarchy is still pretty obvtown to me.

Titus · Fri May 06, 2016 2:37 pm

Great. Enjoy your mislynch. We can actually engage about why you're wrong or you can actually compromise on our joint reads.

Titus · Fri May 06, 2016 2:41 pm

I don't know what that means.

Titus · Fri May 06, 2016 2:52 pm

AS is easier.

He was scumhunting and obviously town day 1 (everyone agreed). He was my N1 heal choice. Only when Ranger made what I thought were Tracker crumbs did I change to healing him N2.

Then, D3 starts and Cakey scumclaims. AS sees the exact same scumclaim like he ripped the thoughts from my head.

Titus · Fri May 06, 2016 2:55 pm

In post 297, 3dicerolling wrote:
In post 295, davesaz wrote:
In post 293, 3dicerolling wrote:@Dave- Do you think things aren't calm right now.
Not seeing any <personal history> stuff
right now
though there is still time in the RL day for that to pop back up. I'm curious why you ask?
You said you are able to process reads in a few RL days if things are calmed down and more game related stuff happens.

But for the time being, what are you going to do to push more game related stuff to happen?

As for 3dice when he was here he pushed a lot of people's feet to the fire and never voted to mislynch me despite having the chance.

Meanwhile Cakey and FA are desperately trying to float a doctor lynch.

Titus · Fri May 06, 2016 2:58 pm

In post 1882, TheShadow wrote:Nobody was killed Night 2!

VOTE COUNT 3.0

Ranger (0) -
Titus (0) -
Anarchy Shard (0) -
Expedience (0) -
Postie (0) -
Thor665 (0) -
SirCakez (0) -
3dicerolling (0) -
Aeronaut (0) -
The Show Must Go On (0) -

Not Voting: Aeronaut, Expedience, Ranger, Thor665, 3dicerolling, The Show Must Go On, Titus, Postie, SirCakez, Anarchy Shard

With 10 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

Day 3 deadline is Saturday, May 14th at 10:30 am PDT which is in
(expired on 2016-05-14 10:30:00)

In post 1883, SirCakez wrote:VOTE: Titus
Dave town flip is EVEN more evidence for this being scum.

In post 1904, Anarchy Shard wrote:VOTE: SirCakez

Why would you immediately vote Titus after a no kill? A no kill that SUPPORTS her doc claim? It makes sense to ask, but to immediately claim this somehow proves her guilt.

I move for a quicklynch.

Titus · Fri May 06, 2016 2:59 pm

I did interact with Cakey a bit but AS put it better.

Cakey hasn't even pretended to scumhunt since Day 1 anyway.

Titus · Fri May 06, 2016 3:13 pm

Nope. Not if they EXPECTED someone to die and never bothered to look.

Cakey has panicked since the call out and hardly interacted. Scum need a doc to die.

Titus · Sat May 07, 2016 2:53 pm

In post 2299, Expedience wrote:
In post 2288, Frozen Angel wrote:There is a chance for no scum to be on tpr claimers but I kind of doubt it.
I feel like this is scum realizing that they are all trapped in a pool of 5, grasping for straws.

I could go to FA.

Titus · Sat May 07, 2016 4:15 pm

In post 2306, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 2296, Expedience wrote:Postie is probably town because the roleblock must have happened and JOAT only has one roleblock. Therefore Titus is also probably town.
you even read my posts?

Postie could have strongman'ed Heartless and Role blocked TSMGO

as easy as that

we know there is a scum Joat

Stretching to fit theory. There's a possible theory where RC and Ranger and Experience aren't conftown but it's stretch. Most likely the 5 PRs are all real.

Titus · Sat May 07, 2016 4:25 pm

In post 2316, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 2313, Titus wrote:
In post 2306, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 2296, Expedience wrote:Postie is probably town because the roleblock must have happened and JOAT only has one roleblock. Therefore Titus is also probably town.
you even read my posts?

Postie could have strongman'ed Heartless and Role blocked TSMGO

as easy as that

we know there is a scum Joat
Stretching to fit theory. There's a possible theory where RC and Ranger and Experience aren't conftown but it's stretch. Most likely the 5 PRs are all real.
None of TSMGO and expe aren't conf town. they just have convincing results .
Ranger can't be scum unless with Postie. If Postie is scum Ranger is conf town. stop branching around to save yourself.

Your scum for your gameplay. Your the one who started both mislynches. You were the one who started melodramatic show in day 1. Your way for approaching to other people is extremely faulty and scummy. Your just throwing out town reads and the way your attacking other slots is more like throwing dirt on them instead of scum haunting.

You're now attacking my method rather than anything I've done, calling me melodramatic. Well guess what, personality isn't scummy but you're likely scum with Cakey.

@RC, Fuck you. I'm not lynching town and knock off this lynch for information crap. You know I'm town and that's just stupid.

Titus · Sat May 07, 2016 4:26 pm

P.S. Ranger can be scum without Postie. It requires a bus driver or RC scum. But thanks for slipping RC is town.

Titus · Sat May 07, 2016 4:29 pm

VOTE: FA

I'm fine with here, SirCakez, or Thor. Nowhere else.

Titus · Sat May 07, 2016 4:47 pm

In post 2336, Frozen Angel wrote:I want to see how others will respond to me. specially ranger.

Why can't you just give an Anarchy read? Why does your Anarchy read depend on what Ranger does since Ranger is obvtown?

Titus · Sat May 07, 2016 4:59 pm

In post 2338, RadiantCowbells wrote:Hey Titus.
If you're town then there's 3 scum in the VT claims.
If AS is town and there's 3 scum besides them: why the fuck is it so hard to get votes onto them?

And fuck. if you think FA is scum, why is she sticking her neck out pushing you when she could easily lynch Anarchy if they were town?

Exactly, why is it hard to get votes onto CAkey, Thor and FA?

FA is caught in a box. The PRs alive makes it improbable to kill anyone and a nice tight box. A PR lynch is almost required at this point for them.

Titus · Sat May 07, 2016 5:00 pm

In post 2347, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 2341, Expedience wrote:Postie is almost certainly town. Your theory is really really improbable and bs.

Please listen to RC and vote Anarchy so we can lynch someone. alternatively you could claim scum with them
My theory is the only explanation for what might be the game setup. There are 2 liars in tpr claimers and scum has a JOAT. If your calling it bs then you are bs for not analyzing it

or your scum

I prefer to wait to see everyone answer my reads.

The way you guys are pushing to day end seems like you guys want me to shut up and just kill me at night or something.

whats the rush for ending the day while I just came in here and started interacting?

Yeah, practically no one is nightkilling you, even if my read is wrong on you.

Titus · Sat May 07, 2016 5:02 pm

In post 2352, RadiantCowbells wrote:FA is easy to get votes on.
Cakez has never really been a thing.

You have a point about Thor, but he's scum if you're not so easy.

I've been tunnelling Cakey since Day 1 and only compromising when no one actually listens to me on Cakey. Cakey has ALWAYS been a thing.
FA has been hard to get votes on.

Titus · Sat May 07, 2016 5:04 pm

In post 2355, RadiantCowbells wrote:Who is defending FA besides me?

Practically everyone. There's always someone to lynch before scum. That soft defense has been going on all game.

Titus · Sat May 07, 2016 5:05 pm

In post 2357, RadiantCowbells wrote:I want to set up PR orders.

Hold on.

I'll make this easy. I'm healing Postie or Ranger.

Titus · Sat May 07, 2016 5:08 pm

In post 2360, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 2358, Titus wrote:
In post 2355, RadiantCowbells wrote:Who is defending FA besides me?
Practically everyone. There's always someone to lynch before scum. That soft defense has been going on all game.
There is always someone stopping my mislynch push. but It always find its way at the end.

Your try for redirecting this from Anarchy to me seems extremely suspicious and make me anxious to just hammer him now.

I want one of the three people I'm seeing as scum. That's not a sudden news flash FA.

But if you're scared you'll be lynched of AS, why would that makes AS scummier? Why don't you just state a read on him?

Titus · Sat May 07, 2016 5:12 pm

In post 2367, RadiantCowbells wrote:Unless you just wanted to claim Jailkeeper because you'd seen Ranger's softing.

Postie's town if Ranger is.

Ranger's softing was really obvious. Having evidence that suggested that I was scum but didn't outright state that meant he was a doctor or a tracker, which necessitated my healing her.

Titus · Sun May 08, 2016 6:57 am

@Thor, The only fake claiming I see is RC/Ranger. RC if scum likely jumps sooner and doesn't hang her hat on AS being scum unless trying to lynch my townreads deliberately so her/Ranger/Cakey make it to end game.

Ranger could be scum with Cakey that was bussed with me and RC happened to check her but that seems remote.

I don't see Experience outing people as VTs as scum, forcing them not to move.

So if I eliminate the PRs, that leaves 3dice/AS/Cakey/Thor/FA.

3dice doesn't swing a wagon onto Dave when he can vote me. AS doesn't hard defend me as scum.

So PoE is you three.

Titus · Sun May 08, 2016 7:49 am

That right there is why I think you're scum FA. I have been saying RC/Ranger is a distant possibility and you just shrug it off and act like my analysis is incomplete.

You're also leaving out things such as Postie/Ranger.

You cannot have Postie/Exp without a third liar in the PR claims.

Titus · Sun May 08, 2016 9:46 am

In post 2399, Frozen Angel wrote:You never explained why you thought its a possibility. I never shrugged it of I just asked you why and you never answered.

Postie Ranger can't happen obviously. If postie is scum one of your heals or Ranger heals must be true. So Ranger is town. unless your suggesting scum didn't shoot anyone?

why postie expe need a 3rd liar??

No you're right here. Postie Ranger cannot be scum together here.

Titus · Sun May 08, 2016 9:48 am

In post 2400, Frozen Angel wrote:My analyse is completly transparent there. I'm asking for missed facts.

missed facts : Where are scum joat actions ? where is the bus drive action if everything is not contradicting ?

Its obvious that its more likely to hit scum in TPR claimers.

why your missing my fact here?

If a bus drive happened N1, it's me with Ranger.

That's the only way Postie + Ranger can happen.

Titus · Sun May 08, 2016 9:48 am

*N2

If that's the case, the team has to be Postie Ranger RC

Titus · Sun May 08, 2016 9:49 am

And that's remote as fuck so...

Titus · Mon May 09, 2016 3:46 am

I am not likely to heal Ranger again. Healing Ranger is a waste FMPOV. Ranger's death (if town) confirms Postie as town to me. I don't expect Ranger to heal me either as my death confirms Postie as town to him.

I am going to be healing Postie or Experience or RC.

@Thor, RC is not going to suggest any pairing that could be PR scum that's not me because he could be scum in the others.

If Ranger's scum, her rolecop results are questioned and if the setup ever confirms no bus driver, he's outed scum.
If Ranger's town, Postie's town.

The only ways to get two liars fmpov is Ranger + RC or RC + Exp, or Exp + Ranger (bus driver spent N1).

In all of those scenarios, RC makes a fuckton of sense given how hard RC is tanking for Cakey right now.

If we think scum are in the VTs, we should lynch the VT with the most resistance from the VTs. Yet, RC wants to lynch AS which you and Thor are both on. Yet RC isn't claiming bussing. 3dice scum doesn't make sense to me, which says scum want AS over Cakey.

Now, I am not like OMG Cakey + RC. I still think RC scum is remote but I wonder why he hasn't come to the same conclusions.

Titus · Mon May 09, 2016 3:47 am

In post 2442, Frozen Angel wrote:wait Rnager Expe is not possible becuase RC role cop.

Bus Driver N1 makes that a long shot.

Titus · Mon May 09, 2016 3:48 am

In post 2441, Frozen Angel wrote:Titus - postie
Titus - RC
Titus - Expe
RC - Ranger
RC - Expe
Postie - Expe
Ranger - Expe

still are all the possible pairs.

If titus is not scum then Expe - postie is the scum pair in tpr's I suspect if there is any at all. I guess 3 scum vt make more sense if titus is town

You cannot do Exp Postie.

If Ranger and I are both town, Postie MUST be town.

Titus · Mon May 09, 2016 3:54 am

In post 2448, Frozen Angel wrote:You are going to heal Ranger or you will get lynched. Ranger is a semi conf town , your basically a semi outed scum. don't try to run away with the burden of her death.

yeah busdriver night 1 make no sense if only two tpr's are lying.becuase there won't be a bus driver.

If Ranger and you are both town Postie actions still make sense a scum Joat.

If Ranger and I are both town, town must have a jailkeep. Therefore, Postie cannot be scum in a town Ranger world. If Ranger and I are town with Postie as scum, the mod broke the game.

Titus · Mon May 09, 2016 3:58 am

In post 2451, Thor665 wrote:
In post 2444, Titus wrote:I am not likely to heal Ranger again. Healing Ranger is a waste FMPOV. Ranger's death (if town) confirms Postie as town to me. I don't expect Ranger to heal me either as my death confirms Postie as town to him.

Don't really care - the point is to help out the people not claiming to be Doctor roles.

In post 2444, Titus wrote:The only ways to get two liars fmpov is Ranger + RC or RC + Exp, or Exp + Ranger (bus driver spent N1).

How does a Ranger scum work in your universe without TSMGO scum considering no kill last night?

RC was the death target but in jail.

Titus · Mon May 09, 2016 4:03 am

In post 2455, Thor665 wrote:
In post 2452, Titus wrote:
In post 2451, Thor665 wrote:
In post 2444, Titus wrote:I am not likely to heal Ranger again. Healing Ranger is a waste FMPOV. Ranger's death (if town) confirms Postie as town to me. I don't expect Ranger to heal me either as my death confirms Postie as town to him.

Don't really care - the point is to help out the people not claiming to be Doctor roles.

In post 2444, Titus wrote:The only ways to get two liars fmpov is Ranger + RC or RC + Exp, or Exp + Ranger (bus driver spent N1).

How does a Ranger scum work in your universe without TSMGO scum considering no kill last night?

RC was the death target but in jail.

Yeah, but wouldn't that make TSMGO the shooter?
He was the Night 2 jail.

So if Ranger is scum, and no kill happened, and you targeted Ranger Night 2, and TSMGO was JKept by Postie, for Ranger to be scum either his team no killed or TSMGO is his partner, right?

Or FA shot RC.

Jailkeeps shield their targets from kills

Titus · Mon May 09, 2016 4:06 am

In post 2462, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 2458, RadiantCowbells wrote:...or scum killed me?

I'd think that's, y'know, the obvious conclusion.

IF Ranger is scum and Titus is town , your a shooter and there is a 3rd scum in tpr claimers

Where on earth do you get this?

Titus · Mon May 09, 2016 4:08 am

In post 2463, RadiantCowbells wrote:I was in a hydra with UTL but she quit mafia so I'm carrying the torch by myself now.

Can you sub in w your main?

Titus · Mon May 09, 2016 4:11 am

In post 2467, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 2460, Titus wrote:Or FA shot RC.

Jailkeeps shield their targets from kills

Nice conclusion

In my imaginary word that Ranger can be scum there is a bus driver who changed the result of RC! and FA a VT claimer shot RC !

funny becuase thats not possible from core. no bus driver!

Stop strawman

SK possible in VTs. Like I said, it's unlikely but possible.

Titus · Mon May 09, 2016 4:11 am

In post 2473, Thor665 wrote:Titus (3) - davesaz, Ranger, Thor665

@Titus - with the above vote count, and with the awareness that Expe and Cakez were the only other people voting that wagon - why are you okay with the Anarchy lynch?

Context for this VC is needed.

Titus · Mon May 09, 2016 4:14 am

In post 2471, RadiantCowbells wrote:Titus how do you say that AS is happening easily yet we still haven't seen a hammer.
And yeah, Thor's voting AS: but he tried to get FA going and jumped on the AS wagon when it looked rather likely to go through.
So if you're town you should see no problem with them being scum together and I don't understand why you do?

And hell, FA makes so much sense as a scumpartner. Keeps saying she's going to hammer, keeps stalling and doing other stuff hoping to see another wagon happen.

Can you sub in w your main?

Yeah, let's call it done at this point?
*pokes Shadow*

Because it's got Cakey Thor you and Ranger for it.

Town 3dice slot is empty. If there are scum in the PRs, the most likely people are for it.

If you think FA is Anarchy's partner, join me here.

Titus · Mon May 09, 2016 4:15 am

In post 2480, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 2478, Anarchy Shard wrote:Why is FA talking about Ranger scum so much in the first place?

Did I miss something?

I'm just trying to say how stupid is to assume Ranger is scum which is advertising by Titus now.

Booo. I think it's Cakey Thor you. Ranger scum is just still theoretically possible. Booooo.

Titus · Mon May 09, 2016 4:19 am

In post 2485, Thor665 wrote:
In post 2477, Titus wrote:
In post 2473, Thor665 wrote:Titus (3) - davesaz, Ranger, Thor665

@Titus - with the above vote count, and with the awareness that Expe and Cakez were the only other people voting that wagon - why are you okay with the Anarchy lynch?

Context for this VC is needed.

Its called "All of Day 2"
Those were the players that voted you.

I am not getting this at all. If you think I am ok with an Anarchy lynch, you're insane. (I misread your question.) AS wants to lynch Cakey, was obvtown D1. I have been fighting not to lynch AS. So why do you think I am ok with it?

Titus · Mon May 09, 2016 4:21 am

In post 2489, Thor665 wrote:
In post 2483, Titus wrote:Booo. I think it's Cakey Thor you. Ranger scum is just still theoretically possible. Booooo.

Which of those do you see as potential scum with TSMGO = RC?

Cakey and FA.

Don't think your interactions with her are s/s.

Titus · Mon May 09, 2016 4:26 am

In post 2491, RadiantCowbells wrote:If you're town, why are we only agreeing on 1/3?
Like, your anarchy townread is borne out of them agreeing that Cakez is scum? What if Cakez is town?
Why are you townreading 3Dice? Why do you think Scum!FA does what she's doing right now if Anarchy is town?

Cakey is scum. He's done jackshit and doesn't need to do shit with you hard defending him. What's the last scumhunting Cakey did. Go find it. I will wait.

Your lack of agreement with me is concerning. Yet, I try to go where we do agree (extremely likely to be scum based on our Blitz history) and you won't go. What gives?

3dice doesn't swing a counter to my lynch with Dave if he can just lynch me.

FA doesn't want a VT lynch as the town PRs lynching VTs boxes her in. Hence she's focused nearly exclusively on PR doubt casting.

Titus · Mon May 09, 2016 4:27 am

In post 2499, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 2498, Anarchy Shard wrote:Besides, aren't you scumreading Titus? What do you care who she heals if you don't really think she's a Doc?

she is trying to get away with murder saying she wasn't healing the obvtown.

Nope. Keep flailing. Healing Ranger is the stupidest heal for me to make.

Titus · Mon May 09, 2016 4:29 am

In post 2502, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 2501, Titus wrote:
In post 2499, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 2498, Anarchy Shard wrote:Besides, aren't you scumreading Titus? What do you care who she heals if you don't really think she's a Doc?

she is trying to get away with murder saying she wasn't healing the obvtown.

Nope. Keep flailing. Healing Ranger is the stupidest heal for me to make.

why? explain this please. I'm anxious to hear

Ranger dying = Postie conftown.

Only explained it like 10 times.

Titus · Mon May 09, 2016 4:31 am

Why do you want to dictate my heal anyway FA?

Titus · Mon May 09, 2016 4:34 am

In post 2506, Frozen Angel wrote:you know what?

lets see what will you claim tomorrow.

VOTE: Anarchy

even if you kill Ranger you will say its a strongman shot

Expe consider tracking Titus

Scum hammer.

Realized she wasn't getting a PR mislynch. Hammers town AS after realizing she cannot dictate my actions.

The track request is weird too.

I suspect I am getting bussed tonight, which gives Ranger conftown if RC is.

Titus · Mon May 09, 2016 4:34 am

In post 2509, Anarchy Shard wrote:Add another mislynch to the pile.

Thanks for the game guys, I apologize for my poor play.

Look at Cakez and FA for the next lynches though.

Full reads list please.

Titus · Mon May 09, 2016 4:36 am

In post 2512, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 2509, Anarchy Shard wrote:Add another mislynch to the pile.

Thanks for the game guys, I apologize for my poor play.

Look at Cakez and FA for the next lynches though.

no kidding. drop trolling , your helping you Titus scum buddy yo to get away with her redicolous attempt for dodging the night plan.

Titus -

Dodging scum night plans since 2013

Titus · Mon May 09, 2016 4:40 am

Stop deflecting. RC left me with a choice. You're obsessed with me healing Ranger.

Titus · Mon May 09, 2016 4:45 am

Can you stop spamming FA (likely futile request)? AS needs to give last reads and I wanna talk to RC and Thor.

@Thor, I am allowed a moment of weakness when sleepy. I wanted to work with RC but I just didn't see a way for AS to be scum.

Scum have more then a Strongman. Plus, Postie can heal me or Ranger.

Titus · Mon May 09, 2016 4:46 am

Where the fuck did RC go after that hammer?

Titus · Mon May 09, 2016 4:53 am

@Thor, Postie's jailkeep is best used as a heal. I think.

You got your opinion. I have fine.

Do you think RC is town?

Titus · Mon May 09, 2016 5:02 am

In post 2536, Anarchy Shard wrote:
In post 2534, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 2530, Anarchy Shard wrote:Obvscum, oh my god.

Lemme go check if I'm allowed a Bah post, because I wanna be here after the flip to "Told You So"

I said Titus was obvscum

You basically did nothing to deflect the lynch on her,

go blame yourself not me for your bad play.

My bad, I misread that. But yes, I already apologized for poor play. I think I do better without a Role list to get tripped up on.

I think your reads have been spot on. So :-p

Titus · Mon May 09, 2016 5:04 am

In post 2538, RadiantCowbells wrote:Strongman does not prevent you being jailkept from roleblocking you.
If Postie is town she should use her jailkeep as a roleblock.

Anarchy is probably town for that reaction.
I will check Titus tonight.

idk. I'm not on point rn.

Strongman bypasses heal and role block.

Postie should use it as a heal.

You should sheep me and check me, Exp, or Cakey.

Titus · Mon May 09, 2016 5:05 am

In post 2537, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 2535, Titus wrote:@Thor, Postie's jailkeep is best used as a heal. I think.

You got your opinion. I have fine.

Do you think RC is town?

postie jailkeep will stop your rolecop

NO WAY THAT HAPPEN SCUM

Your heal must be on Ranger Not posties which let scum kill RC

How does Postie jail keeping Ranger or myself stop me from being checked?

Titus · Mon May 09, 2016 5:10 am

You seem awfully hellbent on coaching specific actions FA and then tearing them down.

If I heal anyone but RC, RC can die.

Titus · Mon May 09, 2016 5:12 am

Nope. Your plan still sucks shit.

I am healing Postie. Every other PR death tells me something.

Titus · Mon May 09, 2016 5:16 am

In post 2547, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 2545, Titus wrote:You seem awfully hellbent on coaching specific actions FA and then tearing them down.

If I heal anyone but RC, RC can die.

I beleive in Ranger ten thousands time more than you in healing him.

and becuase you 3 being scum together is weird as shit you 3 must cycle each other to confirm yourselves.

How in this scenario RC will die?

oh you have a Strongman shot?

It's a given scum have a Strongman if no PRs are lying but that's irrelevant.

I cannot control who Rnger heals, so whoever if I don't heal someone I don't know if they have protection.

Titus · Mon May 09, 2016 5:17 am

In post 2548, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 2546, Titus wrote:Nope. Your plan still sucks shit.

I am healing Postie. Every other PR death tells me something.

it sucks?

omg

best answer

Yup. You oughta know by now that I don't agree to suboptimal plans FA.

Titus · Mon May 09, 2016 5:17 am

In post 2550, RadiantCowbells wrote:I just realized something.

If Postie is scum scum have no roleblock.
If Postie is scum scum ALSO have no strongman.

I need a second to think about this

Huh? *confused*

Titus · Mon May 09, 2016 5:21 am

In post 2554, Thor665 wrote:
In post 2535, Titus wrote:@Thor, Postie's jailkeep is best used as a heal. I think.

I agree - but not at the cost of another heal or an investigate.

In post 2535, Titus wrote:Do you think RC is town?

Feels more town than you, I was going on at length yesterday about how objectionable I found your play, nothing that has happened today changed that much except for a need to tag in the VTs more than the PRs.

Thor, I am Virtue (alt was busted elsewhere). You have grave issues with my personality than my play.

If scum don't know who Postie is targeting, or Postie targets a doc claimer and we both heal postie that's win win.

Titus · Mon May 09, 2016 5:55 am

@RC, I'll take it you're in for a Cakey lynch tomorrow.

Why are you supposing a CC battle tomorrow?

Titus · Mon May 09, 2016 5:57 am

In post 2558, Thor665 wrote:
In post 2556, Titus wrote:Thor, I am Virtue (alt was busted elsewhere). You have grave issues with my personality than my play.

Maybe, or maybe the way you play just inherently looks scummy to me.

In post 2556, Titus wrote:If scum don't know who Postie is targeting, or Postie targets a doc claimer and we both heal postie that's win win.

No it isn't, the strongman isn't a one layer effect - he's infinite per wording.

Yeah,we're saying the same thing on my play different words.

So, your point there?

Titus · Mon May 09, 2016 6:02 am

In post 2561, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 2559, Titus wrote:@RC, I'll take it you're in for a Cakey lynch tomorrow.

Why are you supposing a CC battle tomorrow?

If you're scum that's what's going to happen.

I am not getting this at all. You seemed predisposed to believe a CC battle would happen. That makes no sense.

Titus · Mon May 09, 2016 6:07 am

RC, are you scum? You're driving through shitty lynches (AS) while hard defending Cakey (and refusing to show where he scumhunted), trying to dictate every single PR action in very suboptimal ways (Exp should target in the PRs if we use a plan to verify compliance or catch an NK), you're supposing setups that make no sense based on play (Titus/Postie).

Why won't you actually work with me if town?

Titus · Mon May 09, 2016 6:08 am

In post 2563, RadiantCowbells wrote:Well, I'm obviously checking you so if you come up scum there's going to be a CC battle.

Bus Driver would preclude that and Exp targeting you would remove that possibility.

Titus · Mon May 09, 2016 6:11 am

If Exp tracks you, then we know either a) you lied or b) your result on me is accurate or c) bus driver.

Titus · Mon May 09, 2016 6:16 am

Experience then claims who you visited before you claim your result.

Titus · Mon May 09, 2016 6:33 am

Derptard three scum bus? Huh?

Titus · Wed May 11, 2016 12:28 pm

So your result Radiant?

Titus · Wed May 11, 2016 12:30 pm

VOTE: Cakey

I want this. You basically lynched one of my biggest townreads yesterday. My turn.

We are not lynching Yume today. I'd rather no lynch.

Titus · Wed May 11, 2016 12:33 pm

In post 2575, RadiantCowbells wrote:I got a vanilla on Thor.

Still thinking.

All that drama about checking me, and you didn't?

P.S. Scum killing Espy when he could verify who you checked is a huge boon regardless of your action. I debated healing him. Assuming you really checked Thor and he's VT/Goon, what does killing of Espy tell you given my analysis yesterday and the game state? (Hint: My conclusions are why I'm not voting you.)

Titus · Wed May 11, 2016 12:40 pm

In post 2577, SirCakez wrote:I'm worried RC might be scum now with the Anarchy flip and Expe kill

Make the case why.

Titus · Wed May 11, 2016 12:43 pm

In post 2578, SirCakez wrote:
In post 2574, Titus wrote:VOTE: Cakey

I want this. You basically lynched one of my biggest townreads yesterday. My turn.

We are not lynching Yume today. I'd rather no lynch.
This is hilariously bad considering I wasn't even a wagon leader on them.

That's not the sentiment. I'm just tired of being ignored on you.

Titus · Wed May 11, 2016 12:47 pm

In post 2581, SirCakez wrote:A lot of RC's stuff yesterday revolved around "Anarchy must be scum" + an obvious night action for Expe was to track RC + general RC paranoia

So, how does that lead to RC!Scum?

Titus · Wed May 11, 2016 12:52 pm

In post 2583, RadiantCowbells wrote:No shit I didn't target you. if you're town you would be bussed with one of the scum.

I considered targetting Postie but decided against it.

You certainly left the impression that you were tracking me.

What do you get if you assume that scum were acting on that assumption too?

Titus · Wed May 11, 2016 12:53 pm

*tracking = rolecopping

Titus · Wed May 11, 2016 12:54 pm

In post 2586, SirCakez wrote:
In post 2582, Titus wrote:
In post 2581, SirCakez wrote:A lot of RC's stuff yesterday revolved around "Anarchy must be scum" + an obvious night action for Expe was to track RC + general RC paranoia
So, how does that lead to RC!Scum?

Spell it out like I'm five.

Titus · Wed May 11, 2016 12:58 pm

In post 2588, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 2584, Titus wrote:
In post 2583, RadiantCowbells wrote:No shit I didn't target you. if you're town you would be bussed with one of the scum.

I considered targetting Postie but decided against it.
You certainly left the impression that you were tracking me.

What do you get if you assume that scum were acting on that assumption too?
I did that intentionally because I wanted to try to get scum to blow their bus drive if they have one left.

I think the expedience kill points to you being town because if Expe tracked me and my track was one of the VT claims that would confscum them.

Then why were you so resistant to me telling you that Expe needed to track you?

Titus · Wed May 11, 2016 1:01 pm

In post 2590, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 2589, Titus wrote:
In post 2588, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 2584, Titus wrote:
In post 2583, RadiantCowbells wrote:No shit I didn't target you. if you're town you would be bussed with one of the scum.

I considered targetting Postie but decided against it.
You certainly left the impression that you were tracking me.

What do you get if you assume that scum were acting on that assumption too?
I did that intentionally because I wanted to try to get scum to blow their bus drive if they have one left.

I think the expedience kill points to you being town because if Expe tracked me and my track was one of the VT claims that would confscum them.
Then why were you so resistant to me telling you that Expe needed to track you?
Because a track in the VTs was more valuable?

More valuable than confirming you as town and confirming your result as accurate or inaccurate?

Titus · Wed May 11, 2016 1:38 pm

In post 2592, RadiantCowbells wrote:I trust my townread on Titus more than my scumread on Postie, I think.

Thor is vanilla and is therefore a bad lynch plus I could see him as town.
I could see FA as town as well.

I'd like to lynch 3dice and check Sircakez tonight. I could do Sircakez if I had to though.

You have to. 3dice/Yuma is town.

Titus · Wed May 11, 2016 1:39 pm

I don't trust you RC, and I don't trust SirCakez here.

Titus · Wed May 11, 2016 1:52 pm

Ftr, I'm at Cakey FA Thor OR Cakey RC + One of FA/Thor and longshot Ranger. (Longshot on Ranger based on how RC plays).

Titus · Wed May 11, 2016 2:10 pm

In post 2596, RadiantCowbells wrote:What about Cakey Thor 3dice or Cakey 3dice FA?

3dice is in it. So nope.

Titus · Wed May 11, 2016 2:11 pm

In post 2597, RadiantCowbells wrote:I can lynch Cakez if that's what you want to do rn but I don't share your confidence in 3dice town.

Can you walk me through that read?

What scum deliberately campaigns against a doc wagon when people were all cued up to mislynch me?

Titus · Wed May 11, 2016 2:17 pm

In post 2600, RadiantCowbells wrote:Scum who would know it would look really good and either wanted to let you get lynched later or thought it would go through even with you fighting it?

Do you have any other reason to townread him?

You do realize that I make it insanely hard to lynch me regardless of my alignment right? That would have to be some cocky as fuck scum and that's not 3dice's profile for being scum.

I don't need another reason. So far my town reads have been rather accurate. (You could debate that I'm really shitty at finding associatives).

Titus · Wed May 11, 2016 2:18 pm

RC, knowing how you play scum, why shouldn't I be voting you?

Titus · Wed May 11, 2016 2:34 pm

In post 2604, Painbringer wrote:Ok, I can buy you being town for now. My biggest issue with RC!Scum is placing a scumteam with you. I'd have to include Ranger!scum and that you linked your fates super early or Ranger!town means you politicking superhard.

I was also pushing somewhat to test the fuck out of SirCakey. He said he scumread you, yet hasn't voted you nor did he actually vote you.

Leaving you alive also forces a shit sandwhich for scum which I'm not inclined to do.

I also think scum!RC pushes the fuck back.

However, RC!Scum does lynch people to break the fuck out of townblocks, so I can't rule it out. I'm just not a fan at the moment.

My bad.

Oh and your role cop was very very dumb FMPOV. Rolecopping Postie was better than the VTs.

Titus · Wed May 11, 2016 2:46 pm

In post 2606, RadiantCowbells wrote:If I got a doctor check it would confirm the target as scum, likely PR, and that all the PRs are town.
If I got a Joat/BD check it gets us scum.

Getting a vanilla result on Thor is shitty but that doesn't make the play wrong.

I'm reasonably comfortable with you being town here anyway.

Checking Postie actually does more long term.

You get a jailkeeper on Postie, then we know that Ranger and I can both be town. You get anything else on Postie, then we know as a group there has to be scum in Postie and one in Ranger/Titus and all the deductions therefrom. You can also stop with the silly Postie scumread.

Titus · Wed May 11, 2016 2:46 pm

My vote isn't moving from Cakey barring something extraordinary.

Titus · Wed May 11, 2016 3:02 pm

In post 2610, RadiantCowbells wrote:If we get a mafia goon lynch this game is over.

How so?

Titus · Wed May 11, 2016 3:05 pm

In post 2612, RadiantCowbells wrote:because that makes Thor the last remaining town in the VT pool.

Wouldn't goons come back as VT too?

Titus · Wed May 11, 2016 4:04 pm

Cakey, why should I unvote you aside from mylo fears?

Titus · Wed May 11, 2016 4:07 pm

Quit voting your townreads and help me on Cakey.

Titus · Wed May 11, 2016 7:41 pm

Ranger, I am not voting 3dice today or tomorrow. 3dice isn't in the game. If Cakey's alive, I am voting him.

Titus · Thu May 12, 2016 3:11 am

In post 2639, Thor665 wrote:Let's discuss no lynching and PR plays.

Titus can protect RC, since they're so buddy, and Ranger can protect Postie.
Postie and RC can target whomever.
RC claims first day after.

Obligates scum to off a PR, which narrows our potential PR liars, or to off a VT, which narrows our VT pool.
Seems like a win all around.

I am not being restrained again. Any "plan" creates the benefits you mention.

The most logical viewpoints to me are Cakey/FA/Thor (with Thor being my least confident read) and Cakey/RC/Ranger. If we suppose setup 1, Thortown means 3dice was game throwing scum.

Titus · Thu May 12, 2016 4:27 am

In post 2656, Thor665 wrote:
In post 2655, Titus wrote:The most logical viewpoints to me are Cakey/FA/Thor (with Thor being my least confident read) and Cakey/RC/Ranger. If we suppose setup 1, Thortown means 3dice was game throwing scum.
To your first one, I have been rolecopped and FA has been jailed - that objectively suggests both of us are less likely scum (especially since, I have only a 7.69% chance to be scum or 33% even if you are absolutely assured of me having a scum role - neither are particularly impressive numbers at this stage of the game). Also, I think subjectively my play with FA makes no sense as to my scum meta for the past year or two (whenever I decided to stop bussing altogether).

Is there any logic to an RC/Ranger/Cake scumteam outside of your need to be town in your theory?

You know how I feel about meta. I'll acknowledge the numbers aren't the best there for that. I was looking at play and possibilities. If I townread RC (and it's hard not to based on play), then I have to suppose 1 scum in Ranger with a crosskilling/unlucky as fuck SK or all PRs are town.

For an RC, Ranger, SirCakez team, here's how that works. Ranger implies a guilty, but doesn't outright state it. Scum notice Postie's jailkeeper crumb and have Ranger claim Doctor. RC supports Ranger's claim. Then, town does most of the work in mislynching me while RC keeps her hands clean. Given that jailkeeper doctor doctor is a possibility, Ranger isn't turbolynched after I flip town. RC picks you to rolecop as a matter of politicing not solving the game. RC suggested that Expedience check the VTs when Expedience checking RC is the better play to confirm a lot of what they are saying and get a clear result on me. The day ended though before we could solve this. RC is very much about perception management as scum from NY 192 and the one open as his alt. He'd lynch people to avoid the townblocks where they are forming. RC has never absolutely ever justified why not Cakey.

The only way Ranger doc is known if RC is town.

There's also no bus driver in RC/Ranger scum setup.

[Note: Dead Expedience works in either scenario, which is why I'm kicking myself for not healing Expedience despite Postie being long term value.]

Titus · Thu May 12, 2016 5:22 am

If we suppose RC town, we get either Ranger is town or scum already used their bus driver. If scum already used their bus driver, then Ranger is town anyway due to letters (cannot get to a bus driver without massive letters). So I can't see that Ranger would be anything but town in RC town world. If we suppose Ranger's town, Postie is also town because two doctors cannot exist without Postie.

So that leaves us with all the town PRs accurate.

So that leaves Cakey/FA/Thor/3dice as scum.

Titus · Thu May 12, 2016 6:09 am

In post 2660, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 2654, Thor665 wrote:
In post 2653, Frozen Angel wrote:I prefer no lynch over lynching basically everyone in the playerlist beside Titus
Do you have any thoughts on optimal night actions.
1 more night letting them sort each other is good. thats why T said I won't vote anyone beside obvious scum titus.

Hmph, what are your other reads?

Titus · Thu May 12, 2016 6:32 am

@Thor, I was saying the opposite. RC (without any setup knowledge) is a dead null. It's not hard to see RC as either alignment.

I don't even get what you're saying in the first quote.

Postie blocked RC, thus relieving RC of needing to make up a claim. It also explains the lack of a kill on the night I healed Ranger. RC submitted the kill.

Titus · Thu May 12, 2016 6:33 am

In post 2666, Frozen Angel wrote:actually my mind is messed up I suppose. If postie is scum Ranger is definietly town. your analyse was correct I guess assuming your town.

Ok, so if I'm town and you're town, would you agree that it's likely RC, Ranger, Cakey? Is that what I'm hearing?

Titus · Thu May 12, 2016 6:44 am

In post 2670, Frozen Angel wrote:and if your scum which I still think you are for your absurd behavior the whole game

Its you RC or you postie + 3dice / thor.

Ok, let's sit down and hash this out then. I want to see if there is a way for you to be town or if you're Cakey's buddy desperate to make a counterwagon.

For me to be scum, there would have to be scum in the PR claimers.
RC has confirmed to be blocked.
Postie has claimed a jailkeeper role, meaning that RC was either roleblocked (Postie scum) or jailed (Postie town).
Scum only have a roleblocker in the mafia JOAT scenario, which dictates an SK. An SK is remote. Therefore, Postie is town.

Now, RC is a bit more difficult as RC/Ranger is still viable. Yet, in Titus/RC scum, Scum!RC likely doesn't vouch for Ranger being a doctor making my mislynch incredibly more likely. It's not completely foreign but RC doesn't really half bus (see NY game).

Titus · Thu May 12, 2016 6:58 am

@Thor, All of it. Rephrase please. I want to be able to answer.

The rolecop on you made no sense. Even a check on Ranger would have been better than you IMO. The resistance to good ideas, the over eagerness to control, the terrible lynch on AS.

Out of curiosity, Cakey/FA/3dice doesn't work for you? Why?

@Frozen, two liars in the PRs means no roleblock. You'd have to go with Postie + RC in that instance.

Titus · Thu May 12, 2016 7:02 am

In post 2677, Frozen Angel wrote:I double checked

two liars in tprs make this a TTTT = Mafia Goon, Mafia Goon, Mafia JOAT (Roleblock, Ninja Kill, Strongman Kill)

what are you saying?!

Oh that is right. I need to go back then. I had a couple lines mixed up in my head.

So yeah, Titus/Postie would be mechanically viable then.

Titus · Thu May 12, 2016 7:14 am

*cries*

I wanna lynch Cakey...

@Thor,

1) Yes. I tend to do that unless I feel I know someone people rather well, yes I do. I don't think we've rolled scum together in years, if at all. I have a dickens of a time reading you (unless I'm in a lylo situation and it's super obvious). Your head is an enigma to me (which is why I enjoy playing with you a lot).

2) Ok, how does my case require you to be dumb as bricks?

Titus · Thu May 12, 2016 7:26 am

@Thor+RC, Cakey reads please

Titus · Thu May 12, 2016 7:26 am

In post 2700, RadiantCowbells wrote:Like, even if I wasn't townreading Titus/Postie?

I certainly wouldn't have fucking targeted Titus. That's ass play.

Not if Expedience was tracking you....