Open 635 - JK9++ (Game Over)

[Postie]

What's your read on Cakez?

[Titus]

Thor is still scum. The remaining scum are in Cakez/Anarchy/3dice, probably Cakez/Anarchy.

Not a terrible lynch but I like expedience in thor's place

[Expedience]

Why did you vote FA over Anarchy Shard who you put down as scum?

I think at least one if not both of the people I tracked were forced into claiming VT when they would've rather claimed PR.

I was expecting RC to claim tracker.

[Titus]

Why did you vote FA over Anarchy Shard who you put down as scum?

I think at least one if not both of the people I tracked were forced into claiming VT when they would've rather claimed PR.

I was expecting RC to claim tracker.

Umm... RC has not claimed yet.

[Expedience]

He claimed rolecop ("RC").

[Frozen Angel]

I'm going to right the claim list as its right now and start reading the game sinsce start

Expe I'm not sure what you are or what you saw but I'm a VT and I really don't understand why should a tracker scum read me :/

anyway! page 1 here we go

[Frozen Angel]

that "right" is "write"

[Titus]

So we have PPPIR.

RC checked Ranger and got Doctor.
So if RC is town Ranger is town unless Ranger was swapped with me with a one shot bus driver.
If Ranger is town, then Postie must be town.


So Ranger, RC and Postie are all terrible lynches ever.

7 letters... PPPIR are claimed. That's TT = Mafia Goon, Mafia 1-Shot Bus Driver, Mafia JOAT or the same setup with an SK.

For RC not to get a result, there must be a roleblocker with no gun shot.

I'm ok with tentatively slotting RC as town and the followup from that. I was townreading by them based off play.

[Postie]

For RC not to get a result, there must be a roleblocker with no gun shot.

I jailkept Ranger night 1 and TSMGO night 2.

[Titus]

We can use Postie to block one person out of Thor/SirCakez/FA/3dice and have Expedience track another.

RC can then rolecop either me or Expedience (scum won't know which one).

[Titus]

For RC not to get a result, there must be a roleblocker with no gun shot.

I jailkept Ranger night 1 and TSMGO night 2.

Thanks sorry was a total derp.

[Titus]

Yeah so that explains the block.

So Ranger can only be scum if RC submitted the kill OR scum burned their bus driver N1 and swapped me for Ranger.

So if we get hinky results, we should claim them.

I still think my plan is best.

We can use Postie to block one person out of Thor/SirCakez/FA/3dice and have Expedience track another.

RC can then rolecop either me or Expedience (scum won't know which one).

[Ranger]

I just don't get how all 3 of you know I'm a bullet magnet and yet we had 3 protectives and none was on me N1.

You weren't my strongest townread D1. That was Heartless. And, hey. I made the right call in protecting Heartless! It's just that SOMEONE is claiming direct responsibility for making that fail.

I'd love to see the excuses from Postie and Titus though!

VOTE: Anarchy Shard

I'll sheep this though.

VOTE: Anarchy Shard.

[Expedience]

VOTE: Anarchy Shard

[Titus]

I don't want a lynch to go through until 3dice slot claims.

[Postie]

I'll post one last time just so I don't waste more of your time waiting.

I'm VT.

[Expedience]

I'll post one last time just so I don't waste more of your time waiting.

I'm VT.

Also, this post is a slight replacing out town post trying to help town rather than "give my slot a chance". I think he's more likely to be town than FA.

[Titus]

Ok, I'm just like totally braindead.

Will read tomorrow, and thus accept the probability I was a poopy head but for my Cakey read D1.

[Frozen Angel]

page 1-5

RC Titus fight is weird but making me slightly town read both of them

Anarchy shard doesn't knowing the setup which adds up with his vt claim

3dicerolling taking it as a town slip so fast is a little off but understandable

I didn't like Sircackez reaction to that though (taking it vice versa like he is scumreading whoever read the setup)

Now who is twisting and taking things out of context. You're scummy. I vote you. You take every vote personal? Hardly. You're trying to make it personal. You are claiming I am scum solely because I voted you.

For someone who is purporting to know me, you haven't learned a damn thing.

I never said being abstract is a scumtell RC. I said it's who I am. You do scummy things I vote you. Doesn't matter who you are.

Oh, I am scummy for voting you because I knew you'd OMGUS me and try to make it personal.

You did this before as scum...and you won.

Honestly this felt so genuine.

and I like RC response. I call that a TvT till this point.

RC started to go wild in page 5 .

This is one hell of a leap to make though. The fact that I haven't given you any content from which you could conceivably reach the conclusion that I was going to claim a scum result on you (or that I was even suspicious of you) but you seemed to expect me to anyway is making me want to throw out my townread so badly holy shit

Hey guess what this is what I'm like when I'm actually town.
Had you forgotten?

bad post.

[Frozen Angel]

page 6-10

omg you are so bad

didn't like Spiff response here

UNVOTE:

Need to think things through more and post thoughts but can't do it right now.

felt backtracky

Rc is to much dramatic for being a TPR here. well he is RC!

RC, have you played with anti lately?

He's gotten a lot better at scum.

I don't like this way of pushing feels manipulative.

Yes, I know, I put Titus in the same tier as RC, I'm quite aware. The read there is basically "one scum, other either not or is-SK".

quietly pushing a dilemma here. didn't like it.

I will be back in 2/3 hours and I will finish my comparing and listing stuff up and catching up.

[TheShadow]

VOTE COUNT 3.3

Ranger (0) -
Titus (1) - SirCakez
Anarchy Shard (3) - The Show Must Go On, Ranger, Expedience
Expedience (0) -
Postie (0) -
Thor665 (1) - Postie
SirCakez (2) - Titus, Anarchy Shard
3dicerolling (0) -
Frozen Angel (0) -
The Show Must Go On (0) -

Not Voting: Frozen Angel, Thor665, 3dicerolling

With 10 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

Day 3 deadline is Saturday, May 14th at 10:30 am PDT which is in

(expired on 2016-04-29 10:30:00)

[Anarchy Shard]

Expedience and Cakez are scum.

Titus might also be, but idk at this point.

Ranger, TSMGO, and Postie are town.

Aero slot is being townread, but FA hasn't been around long enough for me to read her.

Thor Is null leaning Town.

3dice slot is null leaning Scum.



I know my play hasn't been great this game, but yeah. Thanks for the game guys, I'll do better next time

[Anarchy Shard]

Oh, and my issue with the Doc Circle.
Scum either has a Strongman kill left, and will take out a doctor immediately, or scum doesn't have their Strongman and knows everyone not a Doc is unprotected, and start picking them off.

[Frozen Angel]

page 11-20

Also, what is even with the Postie scumread? You scumread her before she posted at all or gave even the slightest indication that she could have been collaborating with Titus.

Frankly, it sounds to me like you're just afraid of her spreadsheet thing finding you, and want her out of the way.

- Sonic/Radical Rat

what spread shit? oO

The fact RC is willing to be lynched feels p town to me. I remember he was super averse to that in 623 as scum.

I got exactly the opposite vibe. RC whenever he tries to be more manipulative and spread out town tells is scum. here he seems pretty much vengful and complicated.

explicitly avoiding the entire 'spreadsheet' deal. Like, if she has a spreadsheet with an 100% accuracy reading me and she knows that she can't read me why is she avoiding it.

Also, have you noticed that Postie has not brought the aforementioned spreadsheet up? That should be concerning you.

• My spreadsheet isn't 100% accurate.
  
• Most of the data I use is taken from games after they have ended, not during them, which means I have no idea how exactly things will work out in practice.
  
• Day 1 is far too early for me to put a lot of stock into a scum result.
  
• I don't have as many recent town games from you in my spreadsheet as I'd like right now.

This is why I'm avoiding using omgsprodshit as part of my case.

I hate these amount of analysing though. People are not pawns. I beleive that. You will fail if someone try to make you fail.

So much drama till this point not so much game.

Spiffeh, are you on?

I've got my reads list open in another tab and I'm looking at your early stuff, and I have to say:

It is

so

bad.

I only read a few posts leading up to what I said last night and I didn't know the

whole

backstory. I was not expecting this from you and I'm a little aghast.

I'll just cut-and-paste from what I'm saying in the reads list:

Last night when I read the tail-end of the Antihero-Spiffeh exchange before I posted, I was townreading Spiffeh for what looked like genuine paranoia and aggression but now I'm reading from the beginning and I'm not so sure anymore. The first few posts from Antihero were low-energy and didn't have much content but I don't see anything that warranted the death tunnel it launched starting in Post 100. Post 116 and Post 117 aren't good points. He's predicting this very narrow range of behaviors for how Anti as town "would" act and then treats

any

deviation as a scumtell, which is just bad on a fundamental level. From my, admittedly

much

more informed opinion, I wasn't surprised to see that Anti didn't just let Spiffeh's scumread go. It was still an absurdly small sample size Spiffeh was drawing from at the time, certainly disproportionate to Spiffeh's rhetoric and apparent aggression.

The subsequent read on Titus in Post 147 is coming from the same narrow and bad meta model that I saw earlier.

I have to just stop now and ask: Is this really how you use meta?

I liked this case. Scumreading Spiff for this was TTl onto something here?

For what it's worth I'm feeling a little better about your slot

But to justify that I would have to cite my meta with you and apparently my usage of meta sucks

I didn't like Spiff backtrack here. siriuos scummy points here.

{Aeronaut, Heartless}
{Ranger}
{Anarchy}
~null~
{ConManMick}
{Spiffeh}
{Titus, Postie}

But the best way to learn is through experience, so I'm gonna keep playing and "git gud" as the kids say, and you're not going to dissuade me with petty insults.

That problem is with you and not me.
I'm neither voting you nor myself.

Aero was pretty much absent till this point. how you got a sirious town read on him?

Conman is a scumlean.
Basically, coupled with several IIOA posts that feel active lurkey and the fact that even the posts that address the gamestate feel really weird.
I don't like how he felt the need to explain the slip and talk about hydras but not to post about the gamestate.
Like the 'oceans 11' thing was just awful. Feels like he wanted to say something about it without taking a position until he saw how the rest of the game reacted.
Thing is I wouldn't expect him to be scum with you.

Sircakez I think is more likely lynchbait than scum.
He does have posts that feels like his 'act-like-I-think-I'm-conftown' scum meta from Celebrity, especially his opener, and I hate how he reacted to my calling out the Titus/Postie team theory.
But he also has a bunch of posts that I like and I don't think he really has the balls to make some of the posts he did, particularly the *overreaction to vote* one.
I can agree with much of his reads list as well.

I loved your both reads here, Your Conman view made sense at that point and I felt SC is getting pushed by Titus as an effort to dodge the pressure. I think this point made scum to aim the mislynch wagon toward Conman makes the current push (Titus) seems scummy.

[Frozen Angel]

page 21-30

I thought we were scum together, so buddying?

Yup. Scum buddying each other happens all the fucking time.

I continue to hate this dramatic push.

VOTE: ConManMick

RC, your move. Either, you can vote our mutual scumread, or we can continue our bitch fighting.

Ok If anyone asked I'm scumreading Titus just for this post. she took everyone high enough to don't notice a fall.

post 598 of Aero about RC and titus making that show to just destroy the game sanity and make a mess of everything is not that shitty vision though. I like to consider that as a possibility.

TTH is derping on me/Spiffeh.

You're

derping on which one of us is posting.

That aside, what Antihero's said to me has given me some doubt about Spiffeh. :S

Yeah, Spiffeh's town. I would bet my game life on it.

Whatever you two need me to do see you two are both town would be great.

And I will take my Derp pill on which head was posting.

Anti even giving a shit at this point is obvtown Anti.

If Titus flipped scum auto lynch Spiff slot please. anyway I think this is scum buddying.

VOTE: ConManMick
I'll be back to Titus, this need to die asap

Didn't like this vote.

k

VOTE: Sircakez

Didn't like this vote eaither. I felt its possible for RC trying to hold back from a mis lynch earlier when he called he don't feel good about the wagon.