Open 651: Stack the Deck (Game Over)

[Vedith]

VOTE: kyndy101
Nice to see you again.

[Vedith]

Hi all!

VOTE: shaddowez

That guy must be scum

Did you recruit the traitor?

[Vedith]

Shadow is town. Just encase anyone here doesn't realise.

Who's next.

NJAC - Does it matter what they discussed?
You might as well see it as a completely different game.

[Vedith]

@njac we decided to only use daytalk cause didn't want to load town with prs and play the night action guessing game (daytalk is just rly good tho).

Ignore my last comment, this is pretty interesting.
How is day talk any where near as good as recruiting the traitor?

Recruiting is the most powerful upgrade for the scum. I've never been in a game or hosted 1 where scum haven't taken traitor.

[Vedith]

Also, if one of them flips scum we could get an idea about the likely setup scum chose.

If they are both scum, they will lie about what they chose, and most likely choose the same.
If 1 is scum, do you think that they would risk picking the same? If they do, great.

Keep in mind, this is a new game, I don't think that we should go by the odds of people rolling scum again, as there are odds, that's good enough for me.

[Vedith]

Why? I don't realise.

Because mod sent him a town PM!

[Vedith]

Ok. I know this is a new game. I wanted to know what they thought as a scumteam.

Do you think this is not something worth discussing?

I mean, it doesn't hurt to discuss, and in all honesty, I was expecting a standard answer with the picks and it's interesting to see the type of players they are in the thought process.
Do I think this is relevant to the game? No.
Do I think this will help later in the game? No.

[Vedith]

Tbh we took daytalk so we could discuss strategy as we were going along

I mean, I can see the appeal with day talk, but from experience, the cost outweighs the rewards.

[Vedith]

But seeing the type of players they are will possibly help later in the game.

Plausable, just not probably imo.
Both scum - They can lie
1 scum - Can easily adept, plus having another to influence them in the choices.
We only know very little about their type of plays from picks, and it only tells me that they have little experience with this setup.

It's also hard to tell things like day chat without a slip up, we can easily go all game and have no knowledge.

If we got to LyLo, It's me, you and and light with the following confirmations-

We lynched Scum JOAT and Scum Role Cop (meaning that the traitor was recruited). Both me and Light are town reads of yours, and our ISO gives very little but we are voting each other in LyLo (meaning you are confirmed).
would you then have any less suspicion on Light giving what you know he originally selected?

You don't have to answer, but think about that for a moment.

[Vedith]

It's unlikely scum would be questioning my alignment

Shadow and NJAC are town then.
We're getting somewhere!

[Vedith]

But IC are conftown by mod at the beginning of the game, so why would scum need to look for them XD

Because voting an IC can draw negative attention which scum don't want.

[Vedith]

Because voting an IC can draw negative attention which scum don't want.

Plus, at this stage, only scum know how many roles there are for town.
Finding out that IC is one gives them a lot of information.

[Vedith]

I'm just kinda following shadow here. I realise he didn't vote Sora, but seems a nice place for my vote to be.

Shadow is confirmed town, but in no way, shape or form should you believe his reads because of that reason alone.
*Waggles finger*

[Vedith]

Who is the "them" you are referring to? Town or scum?

Scum.

[Vedith]

Are you uncomfortable with my vote?

Yes. I fear that Sora is going to be lynched.

[Vedith]

Because of an RVS vote?

Those RVS votes can get pretty spooky pretty quickly!

[Vedith]

Idk about everyone else, but Vedith seems like a nice place to put my vote I think.
VOTE: Vedith

[Vedith]

I like this

I don't, it has me very uneasy being at L6!

[Vedith]

Lilith confirmed scum

[Vedith]

VOTE: Vedith interested in seeing if you'll replace out of this game

You realise discussing on going games is not allowed, right?

[Vedith]

Kind of have to talk about this game in order to play it

You know exactly what I mean.
Just try and play by site rules, alright, kiddo?

[Vedith]

Please stop getting so defensive, Vedith! Two votes and you're death flailing already!

It's actually 3, however, your vote isn't what concerned me.
And neither does your fake day vig.

[Vedith]

It's actually 3

Oh it is 2, apparantly something happened in the game.

[Vedith]

so UNVOTE: Vedith
VOTE: Kyndy101

I also dislike the follow up excuse to drop an RVS vote

obviously rerolls are random, they are not likely or more likely to contain anything different to the previous roll

As scum, why would she want to give town less options to focus on, and more of a chance to focus her?

[Vedith]

VOTE: Vedith

Back to 3 eh?

Spooky!

[Vedith]

game solved i'm going to sleep

Aren't you a detective and a half!
I guess we can sit back and watch an easy game.

[Vedith]

Imo lycanfire could be opportunistic scum here...

Probably not.
Just looks to be searching for a reaction.
Reactions mean nothing these days, so it's just a waste of time, but normally a townier tell than scum if it's not a "I was looking for a reaction, town read me" kind of way.

[Vedith]

@Vedith do you get spooked easily?

It appears so!

[Vedith]

I want to know.

She said tomorrow morning.
Regardless, we should focus on finding my buddy(s) atm.

As it stands

NJAC
Lycanfire
shaddowez

Are not my buddies.

That narrows it down pretty well.

[Vedith]

Quick edit: Completely agree with Sir Bastion on the point about answering another's question - but again, I'm waiting to see kyndy's rationale on the Vedith vote before pressing further

Not sure I agree with the Kyndy vote for 2 reasons
1 -

I'll have to carry on with this later - Swampped at work.

[Vedith]

@Vedith: do you think I townslipped, as shadow said? Is there any other reason for townread me?

Yes, scum want to know PR's, town want to know scum.
The fact you also thought that asking what the last scum voted helped in this game was a town tell.

[Vedith]

So, we are the Town-Team. Why is Lycan listed with us?

Because he took his vote off me!
It's actually because of 107

[Vedith]

I'll have to carry on with this later - Swampped at work.

Right, I forgot my thought process

But it was a long the lines of
1 - She hasn't said her case on me yet, it could be really really good, voting before she aims for that looks like premature town cred. Are you premature, Light?
2 - Nothing is Kyndy's ISO looks bad as of yet. The case on the random unvote is weak, and too weak for a vote on her imo. Her "defending herself" I disagree with.
3 - That's right, I'm adding a 3rd - Kyndy has played with me before, and I've influenced lynches on her previously, and influenced her not being lynched (probably not a great deal, but I have). She knows already that I'm a loud player a lot of the time, mostly when wrong, and yet she challenges me over something that can be seen as an early read. I don't think she would address me straight away as scum if she were scum.

And who knows, she might be right, eh?

I'd also like to point out, Kyndy has always been an easier mis lynch in games I've played with her.

[Vedith]

has she always been town when you played against her?

If I remember correctly, yes.
I'm not sure if I've been scum with her though, I'll have to check at some point.

[Vedith]

And there I was hoping Kyndy would make a good case.

[Vedith]

However, this one is a valid point and I want to see Vedith's response:

Reactions are tried all the time.
Now days, scum barely ever give of a scum looking reaction unless they are new, and even then, a new player can give a scum looking reaction as town.
Reaction hunting is 100% over rated and not worth doing and I have never seen it lead to finding scum.

[Vedith]

So "X is scum" has more content than "I think X might be scum"?

"I think X might be scum" is a huge cop out of "I only said might be".
Just to add.

[Vedith]

Bastion if you like confidence you should vote light_ganski with me.

You don't seem very confident.
Asking Light to join your wagon and doubting your ability to lynch?

[Vedith]

@Mod - Have the hydra player accounts (not the hydra itself) been messaged? It's odd for those players to not have posted yet.

[Vedith]

Vedith: See previous post on Vedith, however recent posts seem townier- possibly just do to increased effort to appear towny.

I actually haven't done anything. What's townier about them?
Asking the mod to prod at people to join the game?

[Vedith]

I had to label you as scum for effect of scum hunting, I can't explain why, so lets hope that the flip and night kill makes us forget about this comment tomorrow

Fixed.

[Vedith]

142 and 148 are what I was looking at. They seem to be aimed more for town's benefit.

Okay, 142 could be seen as town (We did it, Reddit!), but explain 148.
That's most of a pointless comment from myself because it has no meaning, what's town about it?

[Vedith]

People who have played with Vedith before, can you summarize his town/scum play?

@95: Just Vedith being Vedith, not too much to read into that. It was 2 votes at the time he posted so I'll give him that.

Talk to me about this.

[Vedith]

Was that the post?

[Vedith]

Was that the post?

I had high hopes there...

[Vedith]

@Vedith:

Who else is in the Town-Team now?

No one else yet.
Sir Bastion makes me wonder if he is trying to buddy me. I need to see more from everyone to decide.

[Vedith]

Game solved.

Thank god for that!
Lets all sit back and lynch this read guys, it's GG

[Vedith]

I'm also going to repeat something - Kyndy is normally mis lynched.
Lets keep that tradition up, eh?

[Vedith]

I don't want to pester you too much, but before you do anything else Vedith could I get a reads list please?

No, you can't
I will give you my reads when I feel ready and justified.

You can however, watch my opinions progress as the day passes.

[Vedith]

Spooky!

[Vedith]

Reads post coming in ~1 hour

And respond to my comment to you please.
It's very important.

[Vedith]

Please elaborate this.

They are just stupid basically.
They think as traitor I would be trying to push myself as it to the scum team, while soft defending Kyndy.

As traitor this would be no benefit for the following reasons
1 - I would have a BP, they would suspect me as traitor if they attacked
2 - Distancing as a traitor is what you want to do If you make scum realise you are the traitor, town will realise it as well.
3 - Possible chance there is no traitor

It's their bad attempt to discredit how I play.

[Vedith]

I want to know your meta before this.

As for why I said it was Vedith being Vedith, I think 95's a perfect example of the type of posts you make.

Scum found.
You want to know my meta, but you imply that you know it already from the type of posts I make.
This could be Vedith not being Vedith, but you have already decided that this is Vedith being Vedith while asking for meta on me.
And you can't say that this is wrong, because you are responding to a comment about me with saying that it's my usual play, just to ignore it (TYhis is what I get from, Vedith being Vedith).

Your reads are basically mirror with High Hopes (Who I haven't decided yet if I think scum or not)

Why did I keep my vote on Kyndy? I wanted to see what scum would use this to their advantage. In 156 he defends me voting Kyndy, in 220 he uses it for an excuse to push me as scum, but in a subtle way.

Now, second scum I feel is Light ("Oh no, you think 2 people voting you are scum?!"). The reason being 202 - This post is basically a copy of what's already in the game. What pinged me so hard about it?
"142 is townie" - After the discussion of my 142 post had already happened. I'm 100% sure that if I didn't question 146, he would have called that town. I want to know here what makes it town, I mean I know what makes it a town but, but does he? He is saying what has already been said, and making his opinion, while he actually has none.
His comment about Superbowl is basically - "Yeah, we got our mis lynch tomorrow"
I think what he did wrong here was look at me as an easier mis lynch, and automatically started to buddy anyone going this way. His town reads on people are because they find either me or NJAC as scum, and for nothing else.

I am Goon Cop btw.

Counter claim me or believe me! I have no reason to claim so early as scum, and the gambit of knowing that there is a Goon cop is too big this early with such weak pressure.

The reason I have been holding out for my main comments is because I knew scum would try and use this as an excuse, as they don't actually scum hunt.

Kyndy is town
NJAC is town
Lycanfire is town
Vedith is town
Shadow is town

That's 5 players already town.

Going to setup.
So 196 is terrible.
I've been in the setup and played enough times to know that not taking anything is bollocks, and just lucky.

These are what we have a chance of getting

Goon Cop ~ Only good if nothing is picked (hitting 2/3 scum) or if traitor is recruited only (hitting 3/3 scum)
Roleblocker ~ Not effective overall, scum can fake not killing to out the role, scum can also pick a roleblocker themselves, and lets face it, most the time you're going in blind
Tracker ~ Number 1 of the effective roles in all scenerios, regardless how many scum powers, this is 1 of 2 only good roles
Bodyguard ~ I don't rate this in the setup, the role dies, that's all
Vigilante ~ More chance than not, shoots town. The only risk with this role is finding the traiter (see below)
Innocent Child (reveal at start of day one) ~ Scum already know 1 role, great, it's a really good role for scum side.

The perfect setup to counter these are recruit scum, JOAT and Role Cop / Bulletproof (Doesn't matter as both have a benefit, I prefer Role Cop though, as if the vigilante hits you, he already knows)
The reason for this is because then the Goon cop only hits 1/3, making the role useless overall. Roleblocker just has more roles to block, doesn't have great effect early game (maybe more later game.
Tracker can be ninja OP. Other than that, Tracker will always hurt scum in the long run.
BG - Dies
Vigilante just has more PR to kill, whoop whoop
Innocent child is just destined to die, and destined to be lazy in the game as they are proven town.

Having day talk doesn't change much to a good team who can talk and organise at night. Give words starting on a post as a code etc.
Having 3 scum working together works so well, as pushing and lynching a traitor gives you no town credit at all.

Challenge me.

Also @Everyone - Stop saying you are going to do a big post, this isn't fucking school, put your hands down and just do one.

[Vedith]

VOTE: SoraAdvent

This part would help

[Vedith]

Vedith, if you're not fake claiming and you scum read me I request that you investigate me tonight.

Directing where the scum read goes.
Yeah... That's town!

Message for Kyndy - SARCASM!!!

[Vedith]

I mean, seriously I just tell you exactly why Role Cop is a weak role, and you responding with asking me to check you.
Lol at least you confirm to me that you have a role on the scum team!

[Vedith]

Oh please

Nothing else to say.
I call you scum, and you reply with nothing.

Do you disagree with what I said about you copying what's already in the game?!

[Vedith]

Damn man! If you're truly the goon cop why do you think it's good play to claim this early? WTF?

Because it's a weak role.
It also lets people actually scum hunt and stop trying to mis lynch Kyndy or myself.

I'm also confident in my scum reads to give out the information!

[Vedith]

Honestly can't see him fakeclaiming here. After all if he gets to D3 alive we pretty much know he's lying

I mean, I could be scum who picked nothing and giving a fake what's better to choose while choosing nothing and taking a gambit that the only other role in the game isn't Goon Cop.
See, this is why IC is weak to town.

If that's the case and you believe me now, why would it change by day 3?
I can claim to be role blocked every night, or just give a town read etc.

[Vedith]

I disagree. Will roleclaim if I have to and if the other town players request it.

I only want to lynch Soya today.
Talk to me about his meta comments while saying that my play is standard for me.

[Vedith]

Because scum would NK you??

Would they?
There's no proof to my claim (Although I know there is no CC) in no way does my claim put scum at risk, even more so if they have taken roles.

Possible if they are all goons!

[Vedith]

What I read Sora's statement as was "just Vedith being Vedith from the typical way he's been playing in the game". Like I haven't metad NJAC (I don't like the whole concept of meta) but let's say he throws out another anti-town post. I could say "just more of NJAC being NJAC", cause that's what he's been doing for most of the game.

Did...You...Just...Say...What...He...Meant?! This is boarder line answering a question on someone else behalf. Now he can go "Yeah, that!"
I completely disagree though, he is implying that this is how I act, yet implying that he has no idea on my meta.
"Vedith being Vedith" can only be said if he knows it's me playing like me. Otherwise, he has no clue how I play.

[Vedith]

Did...You...Just...Say...What...He...Meant?! This is boarder line answering a question on someone else behalf. Now he can go "Yeah, that!"

I disagree. Will roleclaim if I have to and if the other town players request it.

I only want to lynch Soya today.
Talk to me about his meta comments while saying that my play is standard for me.

Oh yeah, long day.

[Vedith]

le ego

Get on High hopes and vote with me

[Vedith]

give me a couple seconds to read, hot damn.

1

[Vedith]

give me a couple seconds to read, hot damn.

2

[Vedith]

Can we please stop doing this "x is town" "This post is scum" etc. as just naked statements
It really doesn't help the game or anyone in it if you're not gonna actually give the reasoning behind a certain conclusion.
It doesn't have to be long sora style shit but just a few words would be helpful.

This post is scum.

[Vedith]

Lilith votes me herself. :p

[Vedith]

told you that the game was solved

The scary thing is, I am in the same boat with the reads.
Games are never that easy.

[Vedith]

Put your hand down.
If you're going to post just post!

[Vedith]

I don't even.

[Vedith]

And the award for most pointless analysis of, "he could be or could not be scum" goes to...
Superbowl!!!

Step on up buddy!

[Vedith]

Shadow / Kyndy, vote Soya!

[Vedith]

@Vedith: mind responding to my post here, please?

I assume you mean these parts -

1) Regarding the first point: I think you're completely misunderstanding what I'm saying at all. Why would I bother asking about meta not once, but so many times, if I already knew how you played? It'd be a useless waste of time.

- Because you fucked up

2) My statement on the types of post you make are based on your past behaviour. I posted this in 156 as well, which I think sums up my thoughts about how you've posted, and is what I'm referring to when I refer to your posts as such.

- Why would how I am posting all game give me justification for certain posts?

3) I presume that for your third and fourth point you're asking me about me about this post I made here.

- I don't know what my 3rd or 4th point was as I didn't actually do it in points, I made a post.

4) For your next point, I posted my reads before High Hopes did and have modified them only very slightly.

- I didn't say you posted them after, I said they mirror up.

5) How do I defend your vote on Kyndy in any way? I said that you're arguing against me on kyndy back in 156, and that's good.

OK, the vote on you was an RVS vote. He may have forgotten he voted you at this point, though I'm not too sure about that considering he's aware of the votecount. Don't want to discuss his reasoning as imo it's irrelevant to the discussion.

You justify why my vote is there and even call the issue irrelevant.
With your response, it confirms that you saw my vote as an issue and felt it was a scummy action to keep it on Kyndy.

Was there anything else you wanted me to go over on your post?

[Vedith]

I shall make a post soon.

I'll probly post sometime today,

...

[Vedith]

VOTE: NJAC

Oh nice, NJAC wagon is happening! Chance to lynch a town where I can then push another town tomorrow on Lycan!
I have nothing else to add to the game until town realise that I'm scummy.

Fixed that for you buddy.

[Vedith]

Vedith, who are your scumreads? Why ask people to move from the larger, yet still slow moving, wagon onto a smaller wagon?

Because NJAC is town.
I'm not going to promote his wagon now, am I?

[Vedith]

@Vedith you've been pretty opinionated about NJAC being town so far. Mind answering my post when you're free?

Also, I'm waiting on posts from High Hopes and superbowl before pushing anything further. It's annoying that NJAC is on V/LA though, might just do a kyndy reread in the meantime

I don't see a post directed to me?

[Vedith]

@shaddow (and kinda everyone) would you be ok with an NJAC lynch today? Who would you lynch over him?

Oh boy, I'm part of kinda everyone!
Soya / Light / Hebee and anyone who's just being an opportunist!

[Vedith]

10/10 light!

[Vedith]

Vedith, stop being a princess and start playing the game instead of your drama whore shit.

Ok dear. <3

[Vedith]

I'd rather lynch light or Heebee. My gut's saying not scum on NJAC.

I think Heebee would have a better chance flipping scum than Light right now.
The opportunist votes! Just think about it.
Not sure I like High Hopes buddying me there... But that's something we can focus on later.

[Vedith]

Woah woah let's all calm down
Getting a little heated here

It's just playful fun.

Can I point out that in 342, Superbowl is asking for permission to have a lynch? Does that bother anyone else? It bothers me

He's actually asking the confirmed town for advice rather than asking permission for a lynch. Not sure what you see here.

[Vedith]

I meant Sora over light. NJAC wasn't part of my question

Light has never been the larger wagon that Soya, so I don't get your question.
The only other 2 wagons which were larger were Kyndy and NJAC.

[Vedith]

@Vedith: Do you think scum would be so opportunist this early?

Yes. I think scum are always opportunist.
They don't look properly as scum because they already know the game. They aren't looking for tells but easy mistakes to jump on.

[Vedith]

I'll be on this later

[Vedith]

Okay, I'm prepared to rejoin the NJAC wagon since we only have 3 days left

VOTE: NJAC, that's L-3 I think

Light the towny town!

[Vedith]

@Vedith you're not voting light, you're on Sora, so is there something in particular that has you sticking with Sora or something in particular keeping you away from light's wagon?

Sora's scum.
Hopefully I've been more than helpful here!

[Vedith]

Wait, when did everyone leave the Sora wagon?!

UNVOTE: Soya
VOTE: Light

[Vedith]

UNVOTE: Light
VOTE: Hebee

Fuck the NJAC wagon.

[Vedith]

I am pissed at vedith though cause I thought he picked it up too, hence why he was staying on Sora and me prodding him earlier if he was avoiding joining light's wagon or convinced about Sora here and I thought he was trying to be subtle here

Rule number 1 - Don't expected me to do anything good. I'm useless. :<

Regardless, I saw that, but I personally never take crumbs like that, because I think crumbs are a complete waste of time. It gives scum the exact same information as town get.
Scum look for crumbs more, this is why I try to never crumb.

[Vedith]

ok then I'll remember Rule number 1


So aside from not being NJAC whats appealling about the Hebee wagon?

Not confirmed town!

[Vedith]

Is this still about 42
Please tell me its not

Does my townblock scare you?
Are you admitting to scum?

[Vedith]

Cue more "opportunist" bullshit from Vedith.

Btw, I was actually calling myself an opportunist there, not you.

[Vedith]

Vedith running with a mysterion avatar is also ok, if he had a Min-Berry Crunch...then we would have problems.

I'm 15 now mom! Don't tell me how to live my life!

[Vedith]

So I checked Shadow and I can confirm that he is not a Mafia goon...
I think he is a mafia power though, as I also watched him and he visited Light.

I also checked Kyndy. Not a goon.
After Sir Bastian mentioned that I could have been thinking wrong with Kyndy, I wanted to at least clear Kyndy from Goon. Obviously this doesn't mean town, but I strongly believe Kyndy is town.
I said that same with NJAC and people didn't want to listen.

Sora I've had a change of heart on.
I'm thinking Super bowl and Hebee now.

VOTE: Hebee

all scum were on the NJAC wagon as it was an easy mis lynch.

Lycan really isn't scum and Rask isn't either.

That leaves Bastian and High Hopes as the 3rd imo.

[Vedith]

So just to be 100% sure.
This is you, claiming you have a Not-a-goon result on kyndy, correct?

'Cause this is what I have to say to that:
VOTE: Vedith.

I wondered how long it would be until scum gave themselves up!
3rd scum found.

And yes, Kyndy is not a goon.
I was worried that I over complexed my post, so I sat 12 5 year olds down and asked them to explain what I meant in that post.
2 other them started talking about fire engines, but the other 10 said to me "This means Kyndy isn't a Goon."

You can see what I'm getting at here.

[Vedith]

@vedith are you actually goon cop?

Yeah, and re looked, it does say no result! My bad!
Why the fuck would High Hopes role block the Goon Cop.
Idiot town is idiot town.

[Vedith]

This changes nothing on my opinion btw!
Hebee and Superbowl for being scum.

[Vedith]

but you did that follow up post with the little story of the five year olds

cause honestly that really does read like you confirming it says *not a goon*

It wasn't a stroy!
But yeah I fucked up
High Hopes also fucked up by blocked cop.

One thing we know is that we are now going into extra time on roles.

I have reason to highly suspect Superbowl as well, but explaining the reason will be boarder line unfair sportsmanship. :<
So for now I'm leaving Superbowl as lean scum until I can provide proof.

Hebee was scum though for sure, and the NJAC wagon was so poorly pushed to avoid Hebee lynched.

[Vedith]

HH is basically ccing vedith tho so if vedith flips town then HH is lying, so they would be the next lynch. What would HH scum have to gain from this?

You're actually trying to prepare 2 mis lynched even though I have already confirmed that HH isn't lying regardless of I'm lynched.

And no I mean in this game. I'm probably thinking too much into it but small information tells me something.
For the fun of the game I'm just going to on a case for you instead.

[Vedith]

IF, as I suspected, Vedith was the most obvscum liar of all time, then come morning today, he wouldn't know to claim "no result". He would try to claim a result that would be useless, but because scum roleblockers don't exist in the game, he would have to make up a result.

You blocked the Role cop you idiot.
You are honestly the worst player, KTS.

Lynch away - I can confirm KTS is roleblocker, just an idiot.

[Vedith]

That's actually Ranger you're speaking to.

And as for ME quickhammering, I found it absolutely hilarious to do so.

Then you're an idiot.

[Vedith]

Regardless, superbowl, Hebee and by POE - Bastian are scum.

[Vedith]

Stop reiterating what's already been said.

You're an idiot.

[Vedith]

Vedith being the traitor is exactly what I think is happening.
As the traitor, Vedith's job is to draw out power roles, and to misdirect the town. To mislead them. As the traitor, Vedith's job is to use his status as a distraction to its fullest advantage: immune to a vig shot, able to draw a roleblock/track/goon cop, or maybe even--with a power role claim--a bodyguard, directing these things onto him rather than to where they need to go.

I don't believe there to be a traitor.

[Vedith]

you are such a squeeling fangirl right now.

the avatar is almost perfect...

[Vedith]

Vedith with all the ups and downs where does your read of kyndy sit now?

Town

[Vedith]

and is that still built primarily on your prior experiences or is there something specific in this game that pushes that read?

Both

[Vedith]

Can you point to something in the game, something you liked.

Why would I point out to you?
I think you are the 3rd scum

[Vedith]

Vedith

- In 222 you list Kyndy as a town read, and then don't mention her again until your D2 result. Why choose her instead of one of your scum reads?

I already said why when I said my result.

[Vedith]

highhopes is getting lynch tomorrow

[Vedith]

Btw I'm scum with super and Hebrew.
Just thought I'd get that out there

[Vedith]

highhopes is getting lynch tomorrow

Taken out of context. I said if Verdeth flips town then highhopes is obvious scum.

HH is confirmed town regardless.
If I'm scum I was caught it
If town I confirmed the block

Why are people struggling to work this out.
HH is going bye bye tonight

Then it's just working out if Super is Vig or goon
Would he really kill Light as a big though?

[Vedith]

VOTE: Vedith

[Vedith]

So let me start by saying, well done fuck tards, you lynched a goon cop because Ranger is a shit player.
So :giggle:HH is town 100%
At least that gives us 1 confirmed going into tomorrow.

So here are my reads

Shadow

- Scum, but lets leave him because he's cool, and is innocent child of some sort!

:giggle:HH

- role blocker - Going bye bye tonight *Wave*

So this confirms that scum have taken at least 2 things, I suspect all 3.
Traitor recruit is so OP, they would have done this, no way would the lynch on NJAC have gone through so badly other wise.
ALL 3 scum were on NJAC. ALL 3!

Kyndy

is lynch bait - She has terrible reads and follows up badly (sorry Kyndy, <3) Her play as scum makes no sense in this game, as I said, if she was scum she would have been buttering up to me not calling me scum. I don't get scum attitude from her all game, and just looks to be confused / useless town.

Lycan

is his typical self - He's not scum at all though. Lucky :giggle:Ranger is going bye bye tonight otherwise I know the push would be here, because :giggle:Ranger is shit.

ironstove

- No idea. Maybe soya was scum but I'm not feeling it, you lot can work that out.

Superbowl

is either PR or scum - I really think scum, I am 99% because of a technical issue. Also - 551 trying to hold :giggle:HH as mis lynch for tomorrow

Hebee

is scum, so obvious. Ranger even thinks this, but again, shit play and all

Rask

- I was thinking town this morning, but with Rask I normally have big walls of text to read. Rask is being lazy this game and I think it's because they are really scum.

Sir Bastian

- Probably not scum. He did point out the valid reason for Kyndy possibly being a mis read to me, and I don't think scum would have done that.

Regardless, :giggle:Ranger is shit, I think every game I've been in they manage to mis lynch be because their shit.
I mean, what

fucktard

roleblocks the goon cop?

/salty much?

GTFO

Your message contains too many smilies. The maximum number of smilies allowed is 12. :<

[Vedith]

And for the record, I spent more focus on looking at the Superbowl give away rather than my read, encase anyone wonders why I read it wrong.

[Vedith]

And stop saying there's a traitor. It's a team of 3 you... nice people...

[Vedith]

Lycanfyre is scum because he is RVSing really late into the game. I know that this game is unreadable (at least for me) but there is at least something he could have done that wasn't trolly/do nothing. There is a difference between not being in the thread like a majority of these players and posting and reading the thread but not actually solving the game.


NJAC is town because I said so, there is something about the nature of his posts that I like although I know that isn't enough to town read someone.
120, 139, 162 and 175 are town posts.
kyndy1 83 and 85 where both town posts. 137 feels more like town because I think it is unlikely for scum to try and confbias someone incredibly hard this early in the game before 5 slots have decided to post.

VOTE: Lycan

Drops his scum read and doesn't go back to it

[Vedith]

Town
NJAC
kyndy101

Unreadable
SoraAdvent
superbowl9
Vedith

Null
light_ganski
Raskolnikov
HighHopes
kraska77

Scum
Lycanfire

Has Lycan as scum and makes a case so they are not partners.
Rask is null and superbowl unreadable
Never follows up with either

[Vedith]

Probably because I am bad at catch ups as town

Scum comment, why would you need to tell us you are bad as town with catching up? Who are you, Ranger?

[Vedith]

This does not strike me as TvT at all at the moment.

Possibly true - Otherwise I think it's preparing 2 mis lynches - Doesn't go with it apart from a vote on me, just elaves it there

[Vedith]

2) I don't think I'm sitting on the kyndy wagon at all. I've been pushing for Vedith over the last couple of posts I've made

I wouldn't call that pushing for me. Said they will tunnel me, said it's not TvT and voted me.

[Vedith]

As of right now doing some initial reading I'd say my initial read on NJAC was definitely wrong, but as I mentioned I'll get back to that later.

Can see that NJAC is being an easy mis lynch

[Vedith]

UNVOTE: VedithFair point, I still like a vedith vote, but if we do this we should do this the right way.

VOTE: NJAC

Still likes my vote

Alternatively Sora or Lycan are good lynches.

Willing to vote where it looks easier.
Doesn't try to go back to me, considering they were "pushing" for my lynch.

Sora and Lycan are town.

[Vedith]

Just to confirm, my first read lists after my self vote was done last night.
Reason it may seem odd now that I'm trying to work stuff out.

[Vedith]

I'm pretty sure the twelve 5 year old story pretty much put a nail in that notion, Vedith has clearly double downed on his report.

Says that he believes me more or less then votes me.

[Vedith]

I don't want to think Bastian as scum, so I'm really not sure. But the way he changed his view so easily...

[Vedith]

That puts Kyndy on the list but you've somehow done some amazing process of elimination and removed her from the suspect pool.

VOTE: Vedith

The vote seemed triggered by me pushing on Hebee again.

[Vedith]

I don't know who the 3rd is overall
Hebee and Superbowl are scum though.

[Vedith]

Sorry for the spam, I was trying to work through my thought process and didn't want to risk being lynched while I was busy at work, reason I self voted.

Ranger I don't hate you really, I was just salty at the time. <3

Go get 'em town!

[Vedith]

RIP
So you actually were cop and just misread no result as not goon?

People need to start realising that I do this all the time as town.
I'm useless. :<

[Vedith]

People need to start realising that I do this all the time as town.

Well, I do it as scum too.

[Vedith]

RIP
So you actually were cop and just misread no result as not goon?

Also, if you're actually not scum, then it has to be Soya or Bastian, but I'm not sure which. :<
If you're town make sure Hebee is lynched tomorrow.

[Vedith]

you could've at least tried or even just posted all this without selfhammering.

Nah there's no point. That's what scum do.
It would have been a lynch on me regardless.

I can call out the Roleblocker for roleblocking the Goon Cop, regardless if I mis read my PM. I mean, who does that?

[Vedith]

rask, unvote if you're in the thread.

The lynch has already happened, just waiting for mod to lock it and flip.

[Vedith]

GG scum!
Sorry for my cock up all!
Just a shame I didn't get a chance to get the goon read on Kyndy

At work so hard to see but who was the 3rd scum? What upgrades did you take?

Thanks for modding Lillith!

[Vedith]

Scum bulletproof is a bad choice imo (I know it wasn't you)
At least I was right about being 3 scum, even if nothing else I did was lol!