Open 651: Stack the Deck (Game Over)
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Did you recruit the traitor?
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Ignore my last comment, this is pretty interesting.In post 22, superbowl9 wrote:@njac we decided to only use daytalk cause didn't want to load town with prs and play the night action guessing game (daytalk is just rly good tho).
How is day talk any where near as good as recruiting the traitor?
Recruiting is the most powerful upgrade for the scum. I've never been in a game or hosted 1 where scum haven't taken traitor.I claim scum \o/-
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If they are both scum, they will lie about what they chose, and most likely choose the same.In post 27, NJAC wrote:Also, if one of them flips scum we could get an idea about the likely setup scum chose.
If 1 is scum, do you think that they would risk picking the same? If they do, great.
Keep in mind, this is a new game, I don't think that we should go by the odds of people rolling scum again, as there are odds, that's good enough for me.I claim scum \o/-
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I mean, it doesn't hurt to discuss, and in all honesty, I was expecting a standard answer with the picks and it's interesting to see the type of players they are in the thought process.In post 34, NJAC wrote:Ok. I know this is a new game. I wanted to know what they thought as a scumteam.
Do you think this is not something worth discussing?
Do I think this is relevant to the game? No.
Do I think this will help later in the game? No.I claim scum \o/-
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I mean, I can see the appeal with day talk, but from experience, the cost outweighs the rewards.In post 36, light_ganski wrote:Tbh we took daytalk so we could discuss strategy as we were going alongI claim scum \o/-
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Plausable, just not probably imo.In post 39, NJAC wrote:But seeing the type of players they are will possibly help later in the game.
Both scum - They can lie
1 scum - Can easily adept, plus having another to influence them in the choices.
We only know very little about their type of plays from picks, and it only tells me that they have little experience with this setup.
It's also hard to tell things like day chat without a slip up, we can easily go all game and have no knowledge.
If we got to LyLo, It's me, you and and light with the following confirmations-
We lynched Scum JOAT and Scum Role Cop (meaning that the traitor was recruited). Both me and Light are town reads of yours, and our ISO gives very little but we are voting each other in LyLo (meaning you are confirmed).
would you then have any less suspicion on Light giving what you know he originally selected?
You don't have to answer, but think about that for a moment.I claim scum \o/-
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Shadow and NJAC are town then.In post 46, shaddowez wrote:It's unlikely scum would be questioning my alignment
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Because voting an IC can draw negative attention which scum don't want.In post 54, kyndy101 wrote:But IC are conftown by mod at the beginning of the game, so why would scum need to look for them XDI claim scum \o/-
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Plus, at this stage, only scum know how many roles there are for town.In post 57, Vedith wrote:Because voting an IC can draw negative attention which scum don't want.
Finding out that IC is one gives them a lot of information.I claim scum \o/-
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Shadow is confirmed town, but in no way, shape or form should you believe his reads because of that reason alone.In post 59, NJAC wrote:I'm just kinda following shadow here. I realise he didn't vote Sora, but seems a nice place for my vote to be.
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Scum.In post 61, kyndy101 wrote:Who is the "them" you are referring to? Town or scum?I claim scum \o/-
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Yes. I fear that Sora is going to be lynched.In post 63, NJAC wrote:Are you uncomfortable with my vote?I claim scum \o/-
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Those RVS votes can get pretty spooky pretty quickly!In post 66, light_ganski wrote:Because of an RVS vote?I claim scum \o/-
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In post 68, kyndy101 wrote:Idk about everyone else, but Vedith seems like a nice place to put my vote I think.
VOTE: VedithI claim scum \o/-
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I don't, it has me very uneasy being at L6!In post 70, light_ganski wrote:I like thisI claim scum \o/-
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You realise discussing on going games is not allowed, right?In post 86, Lycanfire wrote:VOTE: Vedith interested in seeing if you'll replace out of this gameI claim scum \o/-
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You know exactly what I mean.In post 88, Lycanfire wrote:Kind of have to talk about this game in order to play it
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It's actually 3, however, your vote isn't what concerned me.In post 90, Lycanfire wrote:Please stop getting so defensive, Vedith! Two votes and you're death flailing already!
And neither does your fake day vig.I claim scum \o/-
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Oh it is 2, apparantly something happened in the game.In post 93, Vedith wrote:It's actually 3I claim scum \o/-
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As scum, why would she want to give town less options to focus on, and more of a chance to focus her?In post 80, Sir Bastion wrote:so UNVOTE: Vedith
VOTE: Kyndy101
I also dislike the follow up excuse to drop an RVS vote
obviously rerolls are random, they are not likely or more likely to contain anything different to the previous rollI claim scum \o/-
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Aren't you a detective and a half!In post 102, Lycanfire wrote:game solved i'm going to sleep
I guess we can sit back and watch an easy game.I claim scum \o/-
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Probably not.In post 106, light_ganski wrote:Imo lycanfire could be opportunistic scum here...
Just looks to be searching for a reaction.
Reactions mean nothing these days, so it's just a waste of time, but normally a townier tell than scum if it's not a "I was looking for a reaction, town read me" kind of way.I claim scum \o/-
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She said tomorrow morning.In post 113, NJAC wrote:I want to know.
Regardless, we should focus on finding my buddy(s) atm.
As it stands
NJAC
Lycanfire
shaddowez
Are not my buddies.
That narrows it down pretty well.I claim scum \o/-
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Not sure I agree with the Kyndy vote for 2 reasonsIn post 114, SoraAdvent wrote:Quick edit: Completely agree with Sir Bastion on the point about answering another's question - but again, I'm waiting to see kyndy's rationale on the Vedith vote before pressing further
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I'll have to carry on with this later - Swampped at work.I claim scum \o/-
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Yes, scum want to know PR's, town want to know scum.In post 127, NJAC wrote:@Vedith: do you think I townslipped, as shadow said? Is there any other reason for townread me?
The fact you also thought that asking what the last scum voted helped in this game was a town tell.I claim scum \o/-
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Because he took his vote off me!In post 120, NJAC wrote:So, we are the Town-Team. Why is Lycan listed with us?
It's actually because of 107I claim scum \o/-
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Right, I forgot my thought processIn post 118, Vedith wrote:I'll have to carry on with this later - Swampped at work.
But it was a long the lines of
1 - She hasn't said her case on me yet, it could be really really good, voting before she aims for that looks like premature town cred. Are you premature, Light?
2 - Nothing is Kyndy's ISO looks bad as of yet. The case on the random unvote is weak, and too weak for a vote on her imo. Her "defending herself" I disagree with.
3 - That's right, I'm adding a 3rd - Kyndy has played with me before, and I've influenced lynches on her previously, and influenced her not being lynched (probably not a great deal, but I have). She knows already that I'm a loud player a lot of the time, mostly when wrong, and yet she challenges me over something that can be seen as an early read. I don't think she would address me straight away as scum if she were scum.
And who knows, she might be right, eh?
I'd also like to point out, Kyndy has always been an easier mis lynch in games I've played with her.I claim scum \o/-
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If I remember correctly, yes.In post 133, Sir Bastion wrote:has she always been town when you played against her?
I'm not sure if I've been scum with her though, I'll have to check at some point.I claim scum \o/-
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Reactions are tried all the time.In post 139, NJAC wrote:However, this one is a valid point and I want to see Vedith's response:
Now days, scum barely ever give of a scum looking reaction unless they are new, and even then, a new player can give a scum looking reaction as town.
Reaction hunting is 100% over rated and not worth doing and I have never seen it lead to finding scum.I claim scum \o/-
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"I think X might be scum" is a huge cop out of "I only said might be".In post 144, superbowl9 wrote:So "X is scum" has more content than "I think X might be scum"?
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You don't seem very confident.In post 149, Lycanfire wrote:Bastion if you like confidence you should vote light_ganski with me.
Asking Light to join your wagon and doubting your ability to lynch?I claim scum \o/-
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I actually haven't done anything. What's townier about them?In post 167, kyndy101 wrote:Vedith: See previous post on Vedith, however recent posts seem townier- possibly just do to increased effort to appear towny.
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Fixed.In post 166, SoraAdvent wrote:I had to label you as scum for effect of scum hunting, I can't explain why, so lets hope that the flip and night kill makes us forget about this comment tomorrowI claim scum \o/-
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Okay, 142 could be seen as town (We did it, Reddit!), but explain 148.In post 170, kyndy101 wrote:142 and 148 are what I was looking at. They seem to be aimed more for town's benefit.
That's most of a pointless comment from myself because it has no meaning, what's town about it?I claim scum \o/-
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In post 156, SoraAdvent wrote:People who have played with Vedith before, can you summarize his town/scum play?
Talk to me about this.In post 156, SoraAdvent wrote:@95: Just Vedith being Vedith, not too much to read into that. It was 2 votes at the time he posted so I'll give him that.I claim scum \o/-
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No one else yet.
Sir Bastion makes me wonder if he is trying to buddy me. I need to see more from everyone to decide.I claim scum \o/-
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Thank god for that!In post 200, HighHopes wrote:Game solved.
Lets all sit back and lynch this read guys, it's GGI claim scum \o/-
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No, you can'tIn post 207, SoraAdvent wrote:I don't want to pester you too much, but before you do anything else Vedith could I get a reads list please?
I will give you my reads when I feel ready and justified.
You can however, watch my opinions progress as the day passes.I claim scum \o/-
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And respond to my comment to you please.In post 213, SoraAdvent wrote:Reads post coming in ~1 hour
It's very important.I claim scum \o/-
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They are just stupid basically.In post 215, NJAC wrote:Please elaborate this.
They think as traitor I would be trying to push myself as it to the scum team, while soft defending Kyndy.
As traitor this would be no benefit for the following reasons
1 - I would have a BP, they would suspect me as traitor if they attacked
2 - Distancing as a traitor is what you want to do If you make scum realise you are the traitor, town will realise it as well.
3 - Possible chance there is no traitor
It's their bad attempt to discredit how I play.I claim scum \o/-
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In post 220, SoraAdvent wrote:I want to know your meta before this.
Scum found.In post 220, SoraAdvent wrote:As for why I said it was Vedith being Vedith, I think 95's a perfect example of the type of posts you make.
You want to know my meta, but you imply that you know it already from the type of posts I make.
This could be Vedith not being Vedith, but you have already decided that this is Vedith being Vedith while asking for meta on me.
And you can't say that this is wrong, because you are responding to a comment about me with saying that it's my usual play, just to ignore it (TYhis is what I get from, Vedith being Vedith).
Your reads are basically mirror with High Hopes (Who I haven't decided yet if I think scum or not)
Why did I keep my vote on Kyndy? I wanted to see what scum would use this to their advantage. In 156 he defends me voting Kyndy, in 220 he uses it for an excuse to push me as scum, but in a subtle way.
Now, second scum I feel is Light ("Oh no, you think 2 people voting you are scum?!"). The reason being 202 - This post is basically a copy of what's already in the game. What pinged me so hard about it?
"142 is townie" - After the discussion of my 142 post had already happened. I'm 100% sure that if I didn't question 146, he would have called that town. I want to know here what makes it town, I mean I know what makes it a town but, but does he? He is saying what has already been said, and making his opinion, while he actually has none.
His comment about Superbowl is basically - "Yeah, we got our mis lynch tomorrow"
I think what he did wrong here was look at me as an easier mis lynch, and automatically started to buddy anyone going this way. His town reads on people are because they find either me or NJAC as scum, and for nothing else.
I am Goon Cop btw.
Counter claim me or believe me! I have no reason to claim so early as scum, and the gambit of knowing that there is a Goon cop is too big this early with such weak pressure.
The reason I have been holding out for my main comments is because I knew scum would try and use this as an excuse, as they don't actually scum hunt.
Kyndy is town
NJAC is town
Lycanfire is town
Vedith is town
Shadow is town
That's 5 players already town.
Going to setup.
So 196 is terrible.
I've been in the setup and played enough times to know that not taking anything is bollocks, and just lucky.
These are what we have a chance of getting
Goon Cop ~ Only good if nothing is picked (hitting 2/3 scum) or if traitor is recruited only (hitting 3/3 scum)
Roleblocker ~ Not effective overall, scum can fake not killing to out the role, scum can also pick a roleblocker themselves, and lets face it, most the time you're going in blind
Tracker ~ Number 1 of the effective roles in all scenerios, regardless how many scum powers, this is 1 of 2 only good roles
Bodyguard ~ I don't rate this in the setup, the role dies, that's all
Vigilante ~ More chance than not, shoots town. The only risk with this role is finding the traiter (see below)
Innocent Child (reveal at start of day one) ~ Scum already know 1 role, great, it's a really good role for scum side.
The perfect setup to counter these are recruit scum, JOAT and Role Cop / Bulletproof (Doesn't matter as both have a benefit, I prefer Role Cop though, as if the vigilante hits you, he already knows)
The reason for this is because then the Goon cop only hits 1/3, making the role useless overall. Roleblocker just has more roles to block, doesn't have great effect early game (maybe more later game.
Tracker can be ninja OP. Other than that, Tracker will always hurt scum in the long run.
BG - Dies
Vigilante just has more PR to kill, whoop whoop
Innocent child is just destined to die, and destined to be lazy in the game as they are proven town.
Having day talk doesn't change much to a good team who can talk and organise at night. Give words starting on a post as a code etc.
Having 3 scum working together works so well, as pushing and lynching a traitor gives you no town credit at all.
Challenge me.
Also @Everyone - Stop saying you are going to do a big post, this isn't fucking school, put your hands down and just do one.I claim scum \o/-
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Directing where the scum read goes.In post 224, light_ganski wrote:Vedith, if you're not fake claiming and you scum read me I request that you investigate me tonight.
Yeah... That's town!
Message for Kyndy - SARCASM!!!I claim scum \o/-
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Nothing else to say.In post 227, light_ganski wrote:Oh please
I call you scum, and you reply with nothing.
Do you disagree with what I said about you copying what's already in the game?!I claim scum \o/-
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Because it's a weak role.In post 230, NJAC wrote:Damn man! If you're truly the goon cop why do you think it's good play to claim this early? WTF?
It also lets people actually scum hunt and stop trying to mis lynch Kyndy or myself.
I'm also confident in my scum reads to give out the information!I claim scum \o/-
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I mean, I could be scum who picked nothing and giving a fake what's better to choose while choosing nothing and taking a gambit that the only other role in the game isn't Goon Cop.In post 232, light_ganski wrote:Honestly can't see him fakeclaiming here. After all if he gets to D3 alive we pretty much know he's lying
See, this is why IC is weak to town.
If that's the case and you believe me now, why would it change by day 3?
I can claim to be role blocked every night, or just give a town read etc.I claim scum \o/-
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I only want to lynch Soya today.In post 229, light_ganski wrote:I disagree. Will roleclaim if I have to and if the other town players request it.
Talk to me about his meta comments while saying that my play is standard for me.I claim scum \o/