First page quote. I should mention I haven't read any more of the game than this. First instinct tells me this is a Town post because it seems well reasoned out as a possible RVS reaction test. Aside from that, I agree with the sentiment that RVS BWs are usually utter shit and I think in this instance it comes from Town. IMO I think Town wouldn't be so quick to go against the norm and then defend their point with a snarky "ah, but..." attitude.In post 24, Lethargy wrote:I did say:In post 21, alban wrote:Why is an RVS bandwagon pointless?Plus it sounded more dramatic this way!seemingly
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Getting caught up.
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EBWOP. I do that a lot, lol. I've even been called Scum for doing such as well.In post 180, LicketyQuickety wrote:Getting caught up.
First page quote. I should mention I haven't read any more of the game than this. First instinct tells me this is a Town post because it seems well reasoned out as a possible RVS reaction test. Aside from that, I agree with the sentiment that RVS BWs are usually utter shit and I think in this instance it comes from Town. IMO I think Scum wouldn't be so quick to go against the norm and then defend their point with a snarky "ah, but..." attitude.In post 24, Lethargy wrote:
I did say:In post 21, alban wrote:Why is an RVS bandwagon pointless?
Plus it sounded more dramatic this way!seeminglyI was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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A little over the top don't you think?In post 25, PsychoticDave wrote:UNVOTE: Transcend
My role is five-shot dayvig parity cop with the ability to jail and execute at night and I can detect lies as well as heal up to three players per night.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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I am going to like you, I can tell.In post 42, Toto wrote:
Counter-claim! VOTE: DaveIn post 25, PsychoticDave wrote:UNVOTE: Transcend
My role is five-shot dayvig parity cop with the ability to jail and execute at night and I can detect lies as well as heal up to three players per night.
Why did you unvote?
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In post 56, Lethargy wrote:Transcend is no longer the biggest wagon... ;-;
VOTE: Dave
Obvscum with Transcend. Unvoted biggest wagon. Didn't want to leave your partner in such a bad spot, eh?
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Obvious deflection. This was an easy game.In post 50, PsychoticDave wrote:Are you scumreading me for unvoting a meme vote?I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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I disagree that on priciple its not good to put someone at L-1 so early. The only time in my mind that an early L-1 is bad is if there could actually be an early lynch and to limit that. That said, I think this is at a point in the game where everyone hasn't posted yet so I understand the concern here.
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Why complain about an RVS vote. (Just trying to spur on discussion here).
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newbie spotted.In post 95, Aubrey wrote:Nah. If they want it cool, but it'd only kill the surprise for when I do (or if I am) facing off against scum you. I'm also not that big of a fan for meta reads being the sole reason for which someone reads/votes another. Though I get the odd feeling your town and scum play probably aren't to far off from one another. Or you being one to change up your meta here and there.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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In post 101, Transcend wrote:your push on dave is too opportunistic
and dave's play doesn't look scum-motivated, rather, lynch-bait-y.
This needs to be discussed.In post 102, Toto wrote:Well, I didn't buy his response. He says that his two votes were meme. But I don't see how the second self vote is a meme vote.
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Reaction test here or playing dumb? Obviously there are occasions where it is correct play to self vote (at least for Scum).In post 105, keyenpeydee wrote:
Why would scum vote for themselves seriously?In post 102, Toto wrote:Well, I didn't buy his response. He says that his two votes were meme. But I don't see how the second self vote is a meme vote.
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Psudo info IMO. Sometimes that has a place, but here its either weak play or Scum.In post 113, ScumDeersAreVeryTasty wrote:Why did you thought you needed to give a reason?
I think there is a lot of time to do it. Why are you hasty?In post 45, Eric Rasputin wrote:Alright guys, Instead of dragging this out why don't we all come to an agreement on who should we lynch? Getting 7 votes is hard with a 13 player game.
Stealing Trans' words, eh? Good.In post 109, Eric Rasputin wrote:Well, it is D1 ... Lets just say that every move I make is based on gut ... I really wont have anything to go on unless someone gets lynched
Eric is really a mislynch. Cant talk about 'why' or 'how' as it will be discussing about on-going games but know this he's extremely un-helpful town but seems like he is actually trying to do something here.
Dave 's self-vote seemed a bit of 'Reverse-Psych' mixed in it like town will think a scum wont self-vote. He is either a scum who is trying to do mind games or a town who was just frustrated and annoyed with the wagon on him. And i dont think a town will be that frustrated to self-vote.
Not voting him rn . He might be at L-1?I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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This is the second time I have seen an excuse for misinterpreting by this slot.In post 125, Toto wrote:
I saw it as a (bad) attempt to stall his own wagon by putting on a suicidal show. So they are not seriously trying to lynch themselves but the vote has some agenda behind it.In post 105, keyenpeydee wrote:
Why would scum vote for themselves seriously?In post 102, Toto wrote:Well, I didn't buy his response. He says that his two votes were meme. But I don't see how the second self vote is a meme vote.
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Yes, I have seen this before. I wouldn't say it HAS to to come from "extremely good scum players," however. I think of it more like a playstyle than anything and just like players in general, there are better and worse people who do that playstyle. At least in my experience.In post 131, chilledtea wrote:Eric is prob town, dave probably town too. Both seem like lynchbaity players. Self-voting is done by extremely good scum players as scum tactic though, so if dave is very experienced at this. Otherwise very common among newb town players.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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You strike me like you are bored in this game. Any truth to that?In post 143, Gamma Emerald wrote:He's making suggestions but not acting on them.
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Hi Transcend, do you remember our last game together?In post 152, Transcend wrote:@chill town. For now.
I liked your reads on Eric/Dave
Something feels off about cracker here, i just don't know what.
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This is actually not a bad post and I say that as the person being attacked. I agree that my slot hasn't been the pinnacle of good play, but I replaced this slot because I read it as Town and it is. I especially like the last paragraph.In post 157, Aubrey wrote::/ your version of quickening the game is not progressive though for the town. You're just mindlessly voting someone "Just because." Your basis is just, lets just lynch someone for little to no reason in order to move onto day 2. Tell me good sir, what do you hope to gain or learn by that? Your play is nothing more than lethargic day one play that is either coming from a lazy townie, a townie who doesn't know how to work from nothing, or scum.
Your not really trying to catch scum. Your not really trying to find likely townies. Your just a blah member right now doing a lot of nothing but complaining about day one, or trying to seem like a progressive townie as scum.
So far I'm not a fan of you or SSBM. I actually have a slight town lean for Dave right now. I like the fact he went after Transcend, and for the reasons provided even if I did not aggree with his suspicions against Transcend.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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This is going to sound like a contradiction on my part, but I really really don't like the bold. The rest of the post is fine, but that part about "oh, its my playstyle" I can't say I dislike enough, especially in this game where everyone seems to be new-ish.In post 174, keyenpeydee wrote:
Oh yes, truly right. I let others push someone and I'm supporting the case back.In post 171, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Alban, was just thinking the same (SR) about keyen on the reread. Not sure what you mean by laundering but the posts do look fluffy. I don't think I saw any accusation of his yet either.He's letting others make pushes and is picking ones that look supported to back.I don't like 119 either. I was clearly being serious about my Aubrey read at the time.
VOTE: KeyenIt's because it's my playstyle.I town read everyone by default, And if someone has made accusation, I let myself investigate that person. If I agree on the said scummy person, of course, I would suspect them too. Also, I never said I wasn't reading your posts as serious nor I stated it specifically. I said,mostlyI didn't read them as serious because it was either a joke or a shit post that doesn't need to be taken as serious.
If I'm being so scummy, then lynch me.
P-Edit: I actually agree with Aubre for the most part of that post regarding my slot. I do, however disagree with the Town read on Dave. I think everything Dave has done has been NAI.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Because I know.In post 204, alban wrote:Why?I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Agkkk.In post 207, LicketyQuickety wrote:NVM.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Do you have less than 6 months experience and less that 20 games played? If the answer to these questions is yes, then you are new.In post 210, keyenpeydee wrote:
Sorry but I'm not new, I think? And it's really my playstyle.In post 202, LicketyQuickety wrote:
This is going to sound like a contradiction on my part, but I really really don't like the bold. The rest of the post is fine, but that part about "oh, its my playstyle" I can't say I dislike enough, especially in this game where everyone seems to be new-ish.In post 174, keyenpeydee wrote:
Oh yes, truly right. I let others push someone and I'm supporting the case back.In post 171, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Alban, was just thinking the same (SR) about keyen on the reread. Not sure what you mean by laundering but the posts do look fluffy. I don't think I saw any accusation of his yet either.He's letting others make pushes and is picking ones that look supported to back.I don't like 119 either. I was clearly being serious about my Aubrey read at the time.
VOTE: KeyenIt's because it's my playstyle.I town read everyone by default, And if someone has made accusation, I let myself investigate that person. If I agree on the said scummy person, of course, I would suspect them too. Also, I never said I wasn't reading your posts as serious nor I stated it specifically. I said,mostlyI didn't read them as serious because it was either a joke or a shit post that doesn't need to be taken as serious.
If I'm being so scummy, then lynch me.
P-Edit: I actually agree with Aubre for the most part of that post regarding my slot. I do, however disagree with the Town read on Dave. I think everything Dave has done has been NAI.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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VOTE: chilledtea
I haven't seen much from this slot yet, would like to see more. And before anyone gives me crap about voting someone based on inactivity this early in the game:
This is the most substantial thing this slot has done yet.In post 131, chilledtea wrote:Eric is prob town, dave probably town too. Both seem like lynchbaity players. Self-voting is done by extremely good scum players as scum tactic though, so if dave is very experienced at this. Otherwise very common among newb town players.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Ballpark: how many games have you played? Days with 48 hour days or longer?In post 215, keyenpeydee wrote:I'm playing more games off-site than here tbhI was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Why am I Town?In post 219, Transcend wrote:i'll get to this
lq lookin' town
o um ima ust vote this btw
VOTE: alban
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Pred? What the hell is that?In post 222, Transcend wrote:predI was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Hmm..In post 227, chilledtea wrote:Key's prob town too, btw.
My scum group atm is lethargy, aubrey, transcend and toto. Transcend is obviously a very good scum player so he is there just for no reason.
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Is this F2F mafia or Forum mafia that is kinda a mix between ToS 48 hour days Mafia? I can't say I have seen any sites that do 3 day mafia games.In post 221, keyenpeydee wrote:
We start from Friday till Sunday. All games are played every weekend.In post 218, LicketyQuickety wrote:
Ballpark: how many games have you played? Days with 48 hour days or longer?In post 215, keyenpeydee wrote:I'm playing more games off-site than here tbhI was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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you didn't provide any evidence to support your reads. This means either think you know your reads are good and have a meta that is conductive of such or you think the reason for your reads is self evident or you know that at this stage of the game you don't really have to provide reasons for your reads.In post 231, chilledtea wrote:
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Hmm..In post 227, chilledtea wrote:Key's prob town too, btw.
My scum group atm is lethargy, aubrey, transcend and toto. Transcend is obviously a very good scum player so he is there just for no reason.
You are not new to this game, I think.
The first two options likely make you Town, but the third worries me.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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I'm not saying it does or doesn't right now. I am just trying to find info on how you play.In post 234, keyenpeydee wrote:
Well, I play sites that run 3 day mafia games. How does this pointless questions does scream that I'm scum?In post 232, LicketyQuickety wrote:
Is this F2F mafia or Forum mafia that is kinda a mix between ToS 48 hour days Mafia? I can't say I have seen any sites that do 3 day mafia games.In post 221, keyenpeydee wrote:
We start from Friday till Sunday. All games are played every weekend.In post 218, LicketyQuickety wrote:
Ballpark: how many games have you played? Days with 48 hour days or longer?In post 215, keyenpeydee wrote:I'm playing more games off-site than here tbhI was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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You didn't correct my contradiction I made. Why not? I did it just for you.In post 237, Aubrey wrote:
....not exactly but okay. I don't exactly see the relevance behind this post.In post 188, LicketyQuickety wrote:
newbie spotted.In post 95, Aubrey wrote:Nah. If they want it cool, but it'd only kill the surprise for when I do (or if I am) facing off against scum you. I'm also not that big of a fan for meta reads being the sole reason for which someone reads/votes another. Though I get the odd feeling your town and scum play probably aren't to far off from one another. Or you being one to change up your meta here and there.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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I'll wait.In post 243, Aubrey wrote:Still readingI was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Looking back at your posts, it isn't that you didn't give reasons, its more that the reasons given didn't jive with me. Not that they were necessarily incorrect, but they didn't seem like a deep level of analysis. IDK how to say it exactly, just felt like something was lacking/was too easy to make those comments.In post 245, chilledtea wrote:
Well I give reasons where I can. Sometimes the reasons are difficult to give. I think I gave reasons for my suspicion on aubrey for example. But key on the other hand, the read is dependent on his posting style. He is actually a semi town read at this point. Not a strong one.In post 233, LicketyQuickety wrote:
you didn't provide any evidence to support your reads. This means either think you know your reads are good and have a meta that is conductive of such or you think the reason for your reads is self evident or you know that at this stage of the game you don't really have to provide reasons for your reads.In post 231, chilledtea wrote:
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Hmm..In post 227, chilledtea wrote:Key's prob town too, btw.
My scum group atm is lethargy, aubrey, transcend and toto. Transcend is obviously a very good scum player so he is there just for no reason.
You are not new to this game, I think.
The first two options likely make you Town, but the third worries me.
In fact I kinda have given a reason for almost every read I've. Lethargy, aubrey, transcend, you, dave. Where do you feel the lack of reasons?I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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You say you didn't like the contradiction that my slot made, which I agree with, but you don't even mention the contradiction my slot made even after I asked why you didn't say anything about it.In post 253, Aubrey wrote:
I've basically skimmed the last 3-4 pages. On a skim, I'm much happier with the slot. As I said, my major issue with him was his contraditive attitude. "In post 249, chilledtea wrote:Initially the timing felt as if you were trying to derail the wagon on dave. It could also have been a vote, while not for derailing, for distancing.
Sometimes scum try to stay away from the topic at hand. Even if they don't want to directly influence the said topic.
Do you still find eric's slot scummy?Hey guys lets narrow down some lynch options right out the gate and get a move on, while I go sit in the corner and do nothing but complain!" When BTD said he asked for a replacement, I basically nulled the spot of its ever so light scum lean since it is so early in the game.
Regarding Dave, I just found his early posts playful shitty early day 1 activities. Eh. The argument that town would never vote themselves is farfetched, and a lie. Yea. Not a very interesting wagon in my eyes right out the gate.
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I should note at this time that I do not have a shit ton of games played on thins site (feel free to check out my Wiki), however, as someone who will likely be playing this game till I die, my view on what I consider a "new" player is prolly different than a lot of people that don't have this perspective. Also, I meant no offence to you as a person or as a player of this game. I just think players are way to quick to say they are no longer a newbie. I also admit my standards for what is considered a newbie to be quite long compared to most others.In post 255, Aubrey wrote:I didn't like being called a noob when I've played for a bit, until I read your criteria. If that is your criteria, then I fit the bill for you. Eh.
this is the contradiction you made that your talking about that I supposedly didn't like right? If it isn't then I must have missed it in my quick skim.
Ah, yes, at least you were able to see it, I am at least relieved of that.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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I actually do see how you could think that. I came itt and started nitpicking things. Then I said people are new who most people think aren't. Understandable.In post 262, Aubrey wrote:LOL, I'm not really that offended Lickery. It was just one of those "This asshole" moments.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Watch the text, I don't want you replaced.In post 274, Aubrey wrote:
And your case against Keyen or I is that much thicker?In post 267, alban wrote:
Your case against Eric was thin. Which is why I wrote 134.In post 253, Aubrey wrote:
I've basically skimmed the last 3-4 pages. On a skim, I'm much happier with the slot. As I said, my major issue with him was his contraditive attitude. "In post 249, chilledtea wrote:Initially the timing felt as if you were trying to derail the wagon on dave. It could also have been a vote, while not for derailing, for distancing.
Sometimes scum try to stay away from the topic at hand. Even if they don't want to directly influence the said topic.
Do you still find eric's slot scummy?Hey guys lets narrow down some lynch options right out the gate and get a move on, while I go sit in the corner and do nothing but complain!" When BTD said he asked for a replacement, I basically nulled the spot of its ever so light scum lean since it is so early in the game.
Regarding Dave, I just found his early posts playful shitty early day 1 activities. Eh. The argument that town would never vote themselves is farfetched, and a lie. Yea. Not a very interesting wagon in my eyes right out the gate.
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Either what you are saying is true or you are backtracking coz you realised LQ is more active and persistent than Eric.
Also your backtracking and explanation appears defensive, and hence, suspicious.
My argument: X person looks as if they maybe attempting to be faking a proactive town stance.
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the one post this slot has made and it isn't even a good post. when I see a player that doesn't post very often, I hold them to a higher standard of quality posts and this one is not doing it for me.In post 113, ScumDeersAreVeryTasty wrote:Why did you thought you needed to give a reason?
I think there is a lot of time to do it. Why are you hasty?In post 45, Eric Rasputin wrote:Alright guys, Instead of dragging this out why don't we all come to an agreement on who should we lynch? Getting 7 votes is hard with a 13 player game.
Stealing Trans' words, eh? Good.In post 109, Eric Rasputin wrote:Well, it is D1 ... Lets just say that every move I make is based on gut ... I really wont have anything to go on unless someone gets lynched
Eric is really a mislynch. Cant talk about 'why' or 'how' as it will be discussing about on-going games but know this he's extremely un-helpful town but seems like he is actually trying to do something here.
Dave 's self-vote seemed a bit of 'Reverse-Psych' mixed in it like town will think a scum wont self-vote. He is either a scum who is trying to do mind games or a town who was just frustrated and annoyed with the wagon on him. And i dont think a town will be that frustrated to self-vote.
Not voting him rn . He might be at L-1?
I also feel better about chilledtea.
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Tonally, I like this post, but I was under the assumption that this was a hydra account. The issue I have is the comment about not having the chance to play with a lot of experienced players. This is an issue with me because I consider this game to be people who mostly have less than a year of experience (unless a lot of you are alts) so the comment doesn't seem to hold up considering the circumstances (the circumstances that there are players who have been playing here for over a decade). When did you start playing Mercy?In post 284, Lethargy wrote:
Right, looks like this is my cue to get off my lazy ass and stop lurking.In post 227, chilledtea wrote:Key's prob town too, btw.
My scum group atm is lethargy, aubrey, transcend and toto.
I'm getting really good vibes from Gamma and LQ so far, but I haven't really gotten the chance to play with a lot of more expirienced players so I'm probably gonna be unsure of a lot of my reads for a while.
Transcend scares me but that's mostly just because it's Transcend, and my first expirience with him was.. less than adequate.
Aubrey and Dave are null for me so far, I can't place them anywhere.
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That is what I was wondering, or something similar.In post 293, Lethargy wrote:
This is my first non-newbie game. I said more expirienced, which they are, compared to me.In post 291, LicketyQuickety wrote:
Tonally, I like this post, but I was under the assumption that this was a hydra account. The issue I have is the comment about not having the chance to play with a lot of experienced players. This is an issue with me because I consider this game to be people who mostly have less than a year of experience (unless a lot of you are alts) so the comment doesn't seem to hold up considering the circumstances (the circumstances that there are players who have been playing here for over a decade). When did you start playing Mercy?In post 284, Lethargy wrote:
Right, looks like this is my cue to get off my lazy ass and stop lurking.In post 227, chilledtea wrote:Key's prob town too, btw.
My scum group atm is lethargy, aubrey, transcend and toto.
I'm getting really good vibes from Gamma and LQ so far, but I haven't really gotten the chance to play with a lot of more expirienced players so I'm probably gonna be unsure of a lot of my reads for a while.
Transcend scares me but that's mostly just because it's Transcend, and my first expirience with him was.. less than adequate.
Aubrey and Dave are null for me so far, I can't place them anywhere.
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Honestly, I think meta reads are mostly shit. The reason I want to ask about thingsIn post 298, alban wrote:LQ, why are you so engrossed in people's mafia playing experiences? Explain please.
You should be more interested in their expertise. And there's no correlation between the two. The q you should be asking is if anyone has played a game before with the player you are suspecting, and if there's anything different about them.such as(!)experience is because it gives me a glimpse into how they play. A player like keyen is going to play differently than someone who has played very little short forum mafia games. The difficult part is trying to understand how these differences affect play and how you can read a player knowing their experience they have going forward in the game.
I'll give you an example that should be easy to understand.
keyen plays games that are likely very fast paced. This means that reads also need to be made at a faster pace than places like this one where days are spread out over weeks instead of hours. This is why I am a little weary of keyen, because he has really only given us a single substantial read (to my knowledge). It seems at least uncharacteristic for keyen to sit back and formulate reads at a slow pace when he is used to making reads at a much faster pace.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Its not usually something people lie about because most people don't even factor in experience as a metric to read people by! My whole philosophy on reading people is based on theIn post 305, alban wrote:
So you trust a player's words about their experience vis-a-vis their documented meta? Meta could a shit, but a scum's statement about their experience could be simply false.In post 301, LicketyQuickety wrote:
Honestly, I think meta reads are mostly shit. The reason I want to ask about thingsIn post 298, alban wrote:LQ, why are you so engrossed in people's mafia playing experiences? Explain please.
You should be more interested in their expertise. And there's no correlation between the two. The q you should be asking is if anyone has played a game before with the player you are suspecting, and if there's anything different about them.such as(!)experience is because it gives me a glimpse into how they play. A player like keyen is going to play differently than someone who has played very little short forum mafia games. The difficult part is trying to understand how these differences affect play and how you can read a player knowing their experience they have going forward in the game.
I'll give you an example that should be easy to understand.
keyen plays games that are likely very fast paced. This means that reads also need to be made at a faster pace than places like this one where days are spread out over weeks instead of hours. This is why I am a little weary of keyen, because he has really only given us a single substantial read (to my knowledge). It seems at least uncharacteristic for keyen to sit back and formulate reads at a slow pace when he is used to making reads at a much faster pace.personbehind the action. You cannot always play by the book because some people do not play that way. If everyone played by the book then the game would be about who plays by the book the best. This game is just as much about psychology as it is about optimal play. To ignore the facets that make up the personality of the player is a grave mistake! Playing optimally only works when there is psychological factors that are accounted for. You cannot play the game on mathematics alone! The game the players and the stances people would make could literally never get started without some catalyst for understanding the motive of the player behind the action.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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IDK about you, but because of my experience playing fast paced games, I try to make reads even in RVS. I think this game has had enough content and been a fast enough pace for you to make reads after I entered the thread and the activity skyrocketed.In post 303, keyenpeydee wrote:@LQ
Maybe you're right. Maybe it's because people there are posting more and I can form a read fast. Unlike here, Some people are inactive or just lurking or being silent and that's maybe I can't form a read as fast as I can.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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I think you are trying to play the "correct" way too much. I understand wanting to read the wikis and getting info from them, but IMO (and I prolly say this as a minority) the game is best played by figuring shit out yourself. If you are smart enough, then eventually you will begin to get an intuitive grasp of what is happening itt. I have a lean Town on you because I don't think you know enough about the game to be using things from the wiki as a scum tactic. I think its more common for people that are relatively new to the game to go hog wild on looking shit up on the wiki and then not being able to use it as a scum tactic. Besides, most people don't even directly reference the wiki and I think that the substance you are giving by using the wiki looks Town given it is not used accurately. That's not a jab, I just think that keyen is saying more than you are giving him credit for. Although this looks like a contradiction, it is not. Keyen is still Scum hunting and that is not something that should be discarded, however, he is not really doing anything with his Scum hunting. He's made few stances and none of them look like anything solid. But its early, so for now, I rather look at other people like deer who have done jack all this game.In post 314, alban wrote:
Though I agree with you to a certain extent, it's all too vague.In post 309, LicketyQuickety wrote:Spoiler:
Its not usually something people lie about because most people don't even factor in experience as a metric to read people by! My whole philosophy on reading people is based on thepersonbehind the action. You cannot always play by the book because some people do not play that way. If everyone played by the book then the game would be about who plays by the book the best. This game is just as much about psychology as it is about optimal play. To ignore the facets that make up the personality of the player is a grave mistake! Playing optimally only works when there is psychological factors that are accounted for. You cannot play the game on mathematics alone! The game the players and the stances people would make could literally never get started without some catalyst for understanding the motive of the player behind the action.
Let's talk about me.
So, before joining MafiaScum, I played about 10 games of mafia, 5 face-to-face (dayphase of 20-30 minutes) and 5 whatsapp games (dayphase of 48-120 hours, pre-decided at the start of the game). I have finished games here in last 9 months (all with a 2 week dayphase).
How have you read me so far, and how do you see my personality? And how does my experience factor in to make reads on my personality?I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Yes, I was talking about you. I can't be arsed to go find the other quote that you did this. I will say you do seem a little opportunistic like someone (forgot who) said. The jump on Dave wasn't a good look for you. I wouldn't argue the point if I was you cuz that would not be smart. I haven't seen you really make any kind of impact on this game as well.In post 317, Toto wrote:
Are you talking about me here? I don't understand.In post 193, LicketyQuickety wrote:
This is the second time I have seen an excuse for misinterpreting by this slot.In post 125, Toto wrote:
I saw it as a (bad) attempt to stall his own wagon by putting on a suicidal show. So they are not seriously trying to lynch themselves but the vote has some agenda behind it.In post 105, keyenpeydee wrote:
Why would scum vote for themselves seriously?In post 102, Toto wrote:Well, I didn't buy his response. He says that his two votes were meme. But I don't see how the second self vote is a meme vote.
If he is lynch bating he is doing a good job.
I have a lot of people I am looking at right now. I wish I had like 4 votes.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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On a weekend?In post 321, LicketyQuickety wrote:Why is shaddow making vote counts?I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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We have not got a flip yet. Pre-flip, for shame.In post 323, Toto wrote:
Let me get this straight. You throw a shade on me and I should just let it go without asking you to explain what you meant?In post 320, LicketyQuickety wrote:Yes, I was talking about you. I can't be arsed to go find the other quote that you did this. I will say you do seem a little opportunistic like someone (forgot who) said. The jump on Dave wasn't a good look for you. I wouldn't argue the point if I was you cuz that would not be smart. I haven't seen you really make any kind of impact on this game as well.
Also, like 5 people voted or wanted to vote him after I RVS voted and asked him a simple question which he refused to answer. If Dave is town, why am I the opportunistic one here? Why are you and Trascend (that's who you forgot, btw) not looking at anyone else in that wagon?
And how can you say I have no impact when that has been the only large wagon in this game. Now please do explain where I was 'excusing myself for misinterpreting things'.
In other words, you can base pretty much nothing on BW at this stage of the game. You do not pass go, you do not collect $200.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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OK, so I would like to make another point on how I read people here. This post alone is blatant IIoA, however, given context of who this player is I do not think they are using it as a Scum tactic to look like they are trying to contribute without contributing. This does not mean, however, that they cannot be Scum here. I can see a world where this player would make this post in an attempt to look Town.In post 328, Aubrey wrote:I don't know how I feel about Toto. Please explain to me why it is so opportunistic? Like he said wouldn't it be more opportunistic regarding those who jumped on once the wagon began to build? In order...
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Toto: Post 42 (Basically RVS it seems with like a hint of real questioning. Once he is pushed he says he wasn't fond of the suicidal play in post 125)
Lethargy: post 56 + 57 (continues adding onto the wagon saying he is deflecting and scum with Transcend. Latter part probably being RVS talk.)
Gamma: post 58 and post 61 (says obvious scum for the self vote. Eh. No, not necessarily.)
Dave: himself post 59 (I mean yea it's weird, but seems like playful town who doesn't care about being serious just yet. Seems a bit early for scum to freak out and think, "Oh shit gotta do something crazy to get these peeps off me.")
Ssbm: post 60 who is the final vote on the bandwagon who continued to add onto the wagon because he never addressed toto only to hop off immediately once he realizes the vote count, but was still interested in lynching/pushing the slot based on his comment in post 63.
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So, why is Toto the most likely to be scum (should their be scum) on this wagon based on opportunism? I'd be interested in hearing Transcend chime in on this since he was the first person to argue this in post 97 + 101, but has now moved onto new votes.
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phew. That outlines the whole Dave bandwagon pretty much.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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I'm actually more interested in what Aubre thinks here.In post 332, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Bit yeah this game blew up while I was sleeping. I'm gonna eat breakfast and then go back and read again, just skimmed through from bed on my phone
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So the post was directed at me and yet you ask Transcend what his thoughts are on the matter?In post 333, Aubrey wrote:LQ, you do realize that post is directed at you. no? Did you not say that you were suspicious of Toto based on his opportunistic vote? Even though you are voting a slot that clearly isn't here right now and has only made one post so far.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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I did not pick up on that, no.In post 338, Gamma Emerald wrote:LQ plz don't be clueless that clearly maens in additionI was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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A few things. The topic came up, I haven't emphatically said I think it was the most opportunistic vote. I can't speak for Transcends thoughts on it. If you were wise, it would be very smart to admit that you made an IIoA post.In post 341, Aubrey wrote:Of course. You are copying his original read, so I'm curious as to what he thinks as well now that time has passed. I thought it was obvious that my original post was directed at you. My apologies for not being so blunt.
My post is a simple outline of the bandwagon that unfolded against Dave, and a question as to why you have picked Toto out of all the votes as being the most opportunistic. followed by interest in hearing Transcends thoughts on the matter since it was his original read on Toto that you are also following. It wouldn't hurt to also know why Transcend found it to be the most opportunistic as well. Take it for what you will. Obviously If i was scum I wouldn't admit "oh yea i wrote that shit up to look like I was trying to figure out the game and was a bunch of filler shit."
The reason I thought the vote was opportunistic is because there was such little basis for the vote all the while trying to make more of a reason out of it than there was. It also "felt" a lot stronger than an RVS vote. In other words, there was intent behind the vote that was unjustified.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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"Most" classifies as a degree, specifically, the most severe. I don't want to associate "most severe" with that vote.In post 346, Aubrey wrote:If you think his post is opportunistic, but don't think the others are, then it is the most opportunistic vote on the bandwagon. No?
Most importantly, I don't think if i only noticed one time that I saw an opportunistic vote that that classifies as the most opportunistic since there is only one occurrence that I am seeing. How can something be the most when it has only happened once? Semantics.In post 345, Aubrey wrote:I dont fully understand what difference it makes what I categorize my post as being. I didn't understand this opportunistic argument you were making (nor did I really understand Transcends original statement, but sadly I think he is full of it sometimes so I ignored it) and I mostly did it for myself and others who may want to reference back to the bandwagon. More importantly, I did it so we all would have an illustration of what occurred for when you and Transcend answered why you thought he was the most opportunistic out of the lot. Which btw, you never did.
Further more, you never addressed why you are not voting him (since you have expressed doubt) but instead are voting an empty slot who has only made one post and clearly isnt here. Your vote, based not the reason you gave, would be better suited if he had made a second post later down the line that held little substance in correlation to his lurativity.
Can we make that a new word here? Lurkativity. Has a nice ring to it.
IDK why you didn't understand the reason I gave I thought I made it pretty plain and said it multiple ways.
Why do you think I should vote for someone who said something half the game ago when the game had basically just started? It does not need to be all or nothing. I can think it Scummy without voting it. I can think something Townie without defending it. I don't think a lot of people will grasp this statement as most of the time playing "Pro-Town" means making bold stances. There is more that I am focussing on than just "Oh, that looks like it could be an opportunistic vote, I should vote them ASAP so that people know exactly where I stand on this issue." The fact is, all game I have taken a stand back approach and at this point I want to encourage activity. I am not just voting for Deer because they are low activity, I am voting for the slot because the one post they made was sub-par and I don't want to have to worry about a slot that isn't active and provides bad posts. I am being extremely pro-active in my vote on Deer. Deer still does not have any more votes on them than me. I am the only one at this point in time who is trying to eliminate lurkers in this game, or so I feel.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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I understand your perspective better now, I think I can give you a Town read.In post 351, Aubrey wrote:Maybe I don't see it exactly as opportunistic since I assume there was a bit of RVS BS thrown in there, hence why I'm having trouble understanding why you and he feel that way about Toto. When I do try and ignore the RVS BS it just looks like the others are just as guilty about being "opportunistic as he does."
Deer will get his ass prodded sooner or later, and then we will all expect adequate content from them. Hence again why I consider your vote as useful as my non existent vote. That is what I am trying to get at. It's why I'm like "Why isnt he voting Toto then?"
You making a big fuss about what type of post my post is still doesn't make much sense to me. Whatever though...Honestly I'm at the point where I think I can give you a slight town lean for what you're doing even if I don't fully agree with it in some aspects. At least you seem to be trying to force people to be accountable for their actions, considerate, and worried about things that harm the town in general.
I do have one question though. What do you mean by "RVS BS thrown in there?"I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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I think your assessment is not accurate. I don't want to give you a lecture about Occam's Razor, but pet theories and tin foil arguments don't get you very far in this game. And I say that knowing I said its best to figure out how to play yourself. I do appreciate that you are trying to come up with viable theories, but there is really no indication that the vote on Dave was in any way because of those silly reasons for voting people that you talked about. Basically, I disagree that it was done pointlessly. I think there was a real reason for the vote. I am not exactly satisfied with Toto ATM.In post 353, Aubrey wrote:I don't know how to word it, and I feel as if it is hard to explain. Basically I found his first vote as RVS even though he questioned and wanted to know why Dave un-voted Transcend. It just didnt feel like a question he asked because he really thought Dave was scummy, but rather because RVS expects you to vote someone for little to no reason in order to see how they react. You get a better reaction from some people when votes pile up a bit, and since transcend was voting him why not? That is what I felt like he was doing. Then the whole suicidal fiasco went down, and shit hit the fan.
Some people start RVS by making some stupid comment about someone's avi or name. Some people might have a buddy that they played with and they vote them for some stupid reason. Some people vote others due to something they did. I don't know. Just seems NAI to me.
There are a lot of people who have not really been very active today and IDK why. I think its a problem.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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In post 357, Toto wrote:Catching up...
LQ. You didn't answer this.In post 323, Toto wrote:Now please do explain where I was 'excusing myself for misinterpreting things'.