Open 666 - Pick Your Poison - Day 5

[Joey_]

Hi, i am town

[Joey_]

I would like no spoilers when im doing my catchups thank you

[Joey_]

Hi, why is it funny

[Joey_]

i am extremely drunk so ill do the reading tomorow

UNVOTE:

[Joey_]

Relevant content up to page 14, my slot is beyond obviously not mafia with the interactions from LUV and Superhans d1, Alisae, and luv that is, arent good enough as scum to pull this off as scum theatre.

Currently alive, i have a strong tr on dwelle and pretty much everyone whos dead were obvious town at some point before page 14

Spoiler:

wtf is Alisae actually trying to start up a wagon?
VOTE: Zyf

Do you genuinely believe that Alisae is trying to set up a wagon?

Yeah Zyf you're probably town.
Let's vote here instead.
VOTE: Superhans

VOTE: Superhans

Yeah I'm down for this

To be fair, I dunno why he would answer it for me. Comes off as trying to whiteknight or buddy me or some shit.

I'm not sure how you got that from my answer. If anything, it puts you in a bad light.

ive played a fair few games with uzi where he was town and hes always rly awkward and says stuff in a weird way, so im wary of overreacting to anything because hes been lynchbait a few times

I like the cut of Zyf's jib and I dislike the cut of these RVS votes by Gamma/Superhans.

VOTE: Superhans

I like the cut of Zyf's jib and I dislike the cut of these RVS votes by Gamma/Superhans.

VOTE: Superhans

My vote wasn't random.

Null on Alisae by the way. I'm usually able to get a sense of whether he's town early on or not but I can't seem to this game.

Well that happened.
Still need to actually read.

VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert
Kay, I think you're trying to stur up paranoia within the town. I don't think you like that a bunch of people got cleared really easily according to his logic. Which btw sounds very genuine and makes a lot of sense to me.

btw AA becomes an obvious townie when she's run up.
I remember GiF saying that when I was in a game with him and AA9.

AA9 is in this game? Why is this relevant now?

Yes she is.
And it's relevant because she wasn't on the Superhans wagon and if we want her cleared that would be a good way to do it.

Ugh.

I don't think that's a good way to do it but maybe I'm just play style clashing with you and Des right now.

Actually it's moreso I'm just repeating it.

And that's fine, I'm just not understanding why you're bringing it up now. She hasn't even made a post in this game yet or is even online according the activity list.

She's made 2 posts.

I stand corrected. Still is an odd thing to bring up.

Actually it's moreso I'm just repeating it.

And that's fine, I'm just not understanding why you're bringing it up now. She hasn't even made a post in this game yet or is even online according the activity list.

She's made 2 posts.

I stand corrected. Still is an odd thing to bring up.

And I thought you were a fan of townhunting.
Yeah, you're fucking scum.

[Joey_]

rb #151 its looks like a scumpost defending LUV being extremely scummy,, #158 could be the bus on the d1 wagon, the timing looks correct bus-wise
Having said that #163 does not look like mafia vs mafia interaction

genda #84 looks like early voting on Super, this should be a town vote

gamma #227 i really liked, i think its his towniest post below page 14

LUV 262 and 271 is honestly extremely indicative of my alignement, LUV tried to sidestep my pred' fos on him by saying its just a playstyle issue (obvious attempt at buddying and not taking responsibility of him being scummy and being scumread) then my pred' #272 completly deny the buddying attempt and call him out on meta, this is obvious m vs t

[Joey_]

VOTE: narna

i dont think reading the rest of the game is necessary for me

[Joey_]

Havent read tbh

[Joey_]

why not mafia

He's been useless this phase, and has been for a lot of the game. I thought the way Alisae was responding to every slight suspicion except for Uzi's was suspicious.

Also as town, you dont really care being scumread by your scumread, you know its bullshit and has no credibility

[Joey_]

Okay, maybe my theory

is

wrong.

What does that imply? i skimmed the last few pages, im assuming its about no scum were on the wagon vs titus' idea, you also realize that the 2nd spot of an early wagon isn't where you bus and the countless interactions from the scum and alisae makes its fairly obvious that my slot is town

[Joey_]

Yeah I reread again and I'm still just like fuck dude Alisae/NM slot needs dead *shrug*

With all respect, alisea's is probably one of the easiest player to read on site and her play was extremely towny, her votes were, the interactions were etc everything point out to that slot being obv town

[Joey_]

RC just cannot read simple players with simple play

[Joey_]

My lynch order for today would be

Narna -> RC -> Grey/Titus -> Dwele

Ill complete reading the game before the end of the day

[Joey_]

Even if that analysis was readable, i think its possible conclusion are irrelevant

[Joey_]

Honestly just disregard it

[Joey_]

Can you also give me your reads, like concrete

[Joey_]

Can we get some content rolling ?
Rc i dont get how you can miss the most obvious m vs t interactions in game and want to lynch my slot

[Joey_]

You cannot say I am unjustified in scumreading your slot.

Honestly, my slot is the easiest to tr on the whole table with my preds' play, its either you can't see it because you lack the skills or its your flip

[Joey_]

See, those are leading questions in a way that puts Titus down. That's not going to help you negotiate with her.

I'm not negotiating with Grey. Either, he can try to convince me I should vote Not Mafia, or I'll keep voting him.

lol, both of you missing and obvious town slot its really funny

[Joey_]

RC just cannot read simple players with simple play

My lynch order for today would be

Narna -> RC -> Grey/Titus -> Dwele

Ill complete reading the game before the end of the day

Why is RC your second highest scumread if you think they are simply unable to read players like Alisae normally?

This is not why shes my 2nd lynch, i called her out on no being able to read alisae after my lynch order post anyway

[Joey_]

VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert
Kay, I think you're trying to stur up paranoia within the town. I don't think you like that a bunch of people got cleared really easily according to his logic. Which btw sounds very genuine and makes a lot of sense to me.

I'm not sure Ali wanted Uzi to actually pick up heat. Desperado starts to corner Uzi on the page after, and Ali immediately tries to change the focus to my slot and then votes Desperado (obvtown who was voting Uzi with him) when he successfully corners Uzi a page after that. It doesn't look like a genuine callout.

But it is and its obviously is because what alisae said in that post was true af. Its really funny people try to read into other slots scumreading the mafia saying ''well he voted mafia but it looked fake'' over just people plain ignoring those slots you know

[Joey_]

Just go ahead and lynch me now.

I'd rather be the mislynch now than be left alive and mislynched in MyLo.

I don't have reads I'm particularly invested in anyway, so there's no loss. We can afford the mislynch.

I need you alive

[Joey_]

Havent read tbh

Give me your take on my interactions with Transcend on this page and the one after it.

I didnt really read into trans posts about you more than the interactions, i think it could fit in a no-day talk scum interactions but it might be a stretch, theres also the fact that i think you both could fake it better than alisae/luv hm

[Joey_]

I'm a liability to town as long as Titus stays locked her deathtunnel, so it's better for town to just get me out of the way now because scum will never NK either one of us.

Then lynch her ?

[Joey_]

Dont you think that maybe her lack of reconsideration is AI ?

[Joey_]

Pretty sure she's town?

Just because she's wrong about my alignment doesn't make her scum.

PEdit: Sure it is. The sticker her reads, the more town she is. Scum!Titus evolves her reads to the narrative of the thread.

Arent you confident enough that you can win in 3 way if you're alive ?

Alt slipping lel

[Joey_]

Hi

Well, you dont think shed reconsider in lylo as town ? Good players do

[Joey_]

Also if you flip town she will be an easy push as well

[Joey_]

Im not mafia btw and id bet game that dwlee isnt either

[Joey_]

Just go ahead and lynch me now.

I'd rather be the mislynch now than be left alive and mislynched in MyLo.

I don't have reads I'm particularly invested in anyway, so there's no loss. We can afford the mislynch.

What the fork is this?

If you don't have reads you're invested in, why not try to convince me Not Mafia is scum?

Why would scum pull me back into the game when I'm at the point of writing it off? I don't see scum motivation in him shaking sense into me when he could have just used my apathy as an easy justification to vote me.

If I'm pocketed... right this second... so be it. It's just a temporary impression. I'll be getting a better feel for people tonight now that I'm finally back home and able to kick back.

To be devil's advocate, id do that as scum considering id have to survive 2 lynches

[Joey_]

I probably should reread, id probably lynch rc just because id save myself the headache to read into him

[Joey_]

Its ongoing, i suggest everyone dont comment on #1025

[Joey_]

Hm apparently the game just finished lolz

[Joey_]

zzz VOTE: rc

[Joey_]

cool i wanted reactions, i got it

[Joey_]

Do you think i would want the attention of leading a lynch on you as last scum ? You arent the kind of person who goes down w/o drama

[Joey_]

Why not just keep investing in my narna read when you obviously are flip floping between us both slots ? Why not lowkey buddy you up to lynch it etc

[Joey_]

That omgus isnt towny, nor is you not taking any stances and waiting for the whole town to settle or out reads, your reads on grey arent great imo and all youve been is sucking titus' dick

[Joey_]

I think that you would be willing to take the risk so that you can argue 'WHY WOULD I PICK A FIGHT WITH RC ON THE LAST DAY WHEN I KNOW HE'S TOWN.'

Okay, dont you think that i could do that after a narna lynch ?

[Joey_]

-> Lunch narna with Grey/RC

-> Flip onto RC who ive been doubting since i replaced in

over

->Flip my read and fite with RC whos apparently townread from titus

-> Gets a lot of tracktion my way on lylo, more so than with a narna flip

[Joey_]

You are the third person who has made sexual comments about me and Titus in the last few days. I am sick of it and want it to stop and I will report you if you say anything further.

lolz tf okay dont take it personnaly

[Joey_]

I think that you would be willing to take the risk so that you can argue 'WHY WOULD I PICK A FIGHT WITH RC ON THE LAST DAY WHEN I KNOW HE'S TOWN.'

Okay, dont you think that i could do that after a narna lynch ?

You're expecting me to think that you see the game in a purely what's the best path to a win philosophy

when the only potential lynches tomorrow are you and Grey.

If you don't think that Grey will actually get lynched, your only move is to try to widen the lynchpool.

You say that but im not a good lynch in any way, shape or form, all youre doing is throwing shade with nothing, you obviously cannot read alisae

[Joey_]

Sure. No one said you're a good scum player.

lol

[Joey_]

Attacking character wont do much, your read on alisae slot's is sincerely abysmal if you are town bro

[Joey_]

I mean I think forcing shitty 1v1s between yourself and RC as scum is a fucking terrible move but scum continually attempt it and cite the exact same reasoning. They always lose. Maybe scum will learn to play better?

What about, i am town and i want to know if youre town since no one has been giving shit about this game, mafia is obviously in a good position and has no need to further give content because the lynch is probably going the way they want. Why would i give willingly content and more infos to get read on if i want to survives 2 lynches ? Because i am bad scum? thats not a really good answer

[Joey_]

To be fair, i prefer to deal with you today and i would so as either alignement

[Joey_]

Also, why do i need to widen the pool? I literraly replaced in like 2 days ago, i could fake whatever reads and contradicts my pred's reads with no backlash, so why reaplace-in and pick a fight to widen pool, makes no sens

[Joey_]

I mean I think forcing shitty 1v1s between yourself and RC as scum is a fucking terrible move but scum continually attempt it and cite the exact same reasoning. They always lose. Maybe scum will learn to play better?

What about, i am town and i want to know if youre town since no one has been giving shit about this game, mafia is obviously in a good position and has no need to further give content because the lynch is probably going the way they want. Why would i give willingly content and more infos to get read on if i want to survives 2 lynches ? Because i am bad scum? thats not a really good answer

Or you're scum and I have been pushing you as a primary scumcandidate and Titus thinks your slot is probably scum and everyone else is open to it.

Why wouldn't you make a ballsy play to try to shake things up and fight to get townread for it?

Not gonna lie, both of you arent as great as you think you are

[Joey_]

And i dont need to fight you to get townread, by motivation today is to give a good 3 way tomorow, if thats picking fight i will because if i was entering lylo with the little infos i have i cant guarantee a win

[Joey_]

Also saying that i am scum because im your fos and titus' is circulatory logic, still doesnt explain anything

[Joey_]

I mean I think forcing shitty 1v1s between yourself and RC as scum is a fucking terrible move but scum continually attempt it and cite the exact same reasoning. They always lose. Maybe scum will learn to play better?

What about, i am town and i want to know if youre town since no one has been giving shit about this game, mafia is obviously in a good position and has no need to further give content because the lynch is probably going the way they want. Why would i give willingly content and more infos to get read on if i want to survives 2 lynches ? Because i am bad scum? thats not a really good answer

Or you're scum and I have been pushing you as a primary scumcandidate and Titus thinks your slot is probably scum and everyone else is open to it.

Why wouldn't you make a ballsy play to try to shake things up and fight to get townread for it?

Also youre admitting that my play isnt a scumplay at facevalue, so i am doing this as mafia. Why cant you just reconsider something something

[Joey_]

No, I'm saying that you WOULD make a play like this because simply hiding in the background and waiting for lynches go out like Grey has suggested you would is a dead end play.

Okay then, what would be my town play? What would you expect a reaplement in alisae's town slot would do to sway you, if thats not playing exactly not how you think scum would do

[Joey_]

No I am saying that your play is PRECISELY a scumplay because scum is heavily motivated to try to shake things up to get townread for it. Town might do the same thing as well.

I am done speaking to you. Your slot is getting lynched before endgame, it might as well be today.

Thats not really towny you know my lil rc

[Joey_]

Can anyone explain me why you act as if you are universally townread ?

[Joey_]

I don't need to be towny, I just need to do things and win.

This statement is regardless of alignement

[Joey_]

Youre literraly saying that my play could be from both scum and town, that i am probably scum because im trying to get reads and shake things up, yet you dont want to reconsider nor to talk to me

[Joey_]

How are you even so sure that i am scum ? Didnt you also scumread narna, so what about us sharing the same initial read, isnt that supposed to make you read my slot as towny? Why didnt you push a vote before i voted you nor did you address my scumread on yourself before my vote, all this could easily be scum posturizing in a 5 way, also throwing sentences like :

''your slot will be lynched before endgame'' and so one as if you had any real power, this is lowkey manipulative

[Joey_]

See it instead as I'm saying that your flying in here and EXPLICITLY SAYING AFTER THAT YOU EXPECTED TO BE TOWNREAD FOR IT makes it look like the last ditch effort of cornered scum.

Like you voted me like you thought I was scum then started talking to me like I was town and getting mad that I didn't townread your vote on me ??? like what the fuck.

And yes I do have 'any real power.' Your slot will be lynched before endgame as I have decreed.

Why do you think scum would try to appeal to you ? im doing so because im giving you a chance to no suck at the game

[Joey_]

I don't care if you're 100% scum. I care that you're the most likely person to be scum and have royally pissed me off with your play to the point that I don't want to continue having discussion while you're alive.

This also look like complete bullshit

[Joey_]

You are pissed because scum is pushing on you ? lol

[Joey_]

Sorry I was having fun sucking at this game when I lynched Transcend and will continue to have fun sucking at this game when I get you lynched even though apparently you think I'm scum so I wouldn't be sucking but that makes sense.

Im still considering you as maybe town, i just need you to talk to me

[Joey_]

You are pissed because scum is pushing on you ? lol

I mean... yes? I don't think it takes more than a cursory analysis of my meta to know that it annoys me when scum push on me. The Titus thing was the real dealbreaker though.

Why would you be pissed since im sure to be lynched anyway ? you could write this game off as easy win, why being pissed ? The titus thing was just a way to say that you were buddying up to her, you totally took it way out of proportion and it looked fake af too sorry

[Joey_]

Why like, dont you try to be reasonable ? You say you lynched transcend, why not lynch another scum today in lieu of being ego triggered for something completly silly and not playing optimally for your win con ?

[Joey_]

Also if i wanted to widen the pool, why not throw shade at dwele ? Its a much easier slot to bullshit about than yours

[Joey_]

Because i want to kill the slot for 3 way? Whats the point to push on narna and keep 2 of grey/titus/yourself for the 3 way ? etc etc theres tons of infos that point my slot as town just from the recent 5 pages yet you dont really seems to care

[Joey_]

... wow.

Joey, you can't just offend someone with a sexual epithet and then say them taking offense is scummy.

That's beyond the scope of the game entirely.

Not its not and i couldnt care more about him being offended for that, i also wont excuse myself if it helps me solves the game, he could easily use that

[Joey_]

He couldve went like :

Hey joey btw, ive had recent comments about titus and i and i dont like it, please dont do it in the future.

over being triggered and then using this as to cut off discussion

[Joey_]

Also if im reported for that ill fucking laugh

[Joey_]

Nope i disagree, it became nai the moment it handicapped my ability to read him. Also you never came off as someone backing off from a fos because they were offended by your words, its not like i said that on purpose it was just a matter of speech

[Joey_]

I tried not being an asshole on this alt but w/e im here to win

[Joey_]

You were mafia its inadmissible and what i said was obviously not a personnal attack

[Joey_]

Dont you have any comments to make that is actually about the game and the content ? Because what you have been doing looks outrageously as coasting

[Joey_]

You were mafia its inadmissible and what i said was obviously not a personnal attack

You are not the arbiter of what gives the other person offense.

Different people have different thresholds. Crossing them is wrong regardless of alignment.

You offended me, please refrain in the future or ill report you. You are now responsible that i took offense, im asking you to excuse yourself for the personnal attack

[Joey_]

You were mafia its inadmissible and what i said was obviously not a personnal attack

You are not the arbiter of what gives the other person offense.

Different people have different thresholds. Crossing them is wrong regardless of alignment.

You offended me, please refrain in the future or ill report you. You are now responsible that i took offense, im asking you to excuse yourself for the personnal attack

Well since you're so right and offending people doesn't matter, I don't give a fuck.

I never said offending people doesnt matter lolz, no one is responsible of other's feeling, im responsible of the stuff i say not the reactions from it.

[Joey_]

You were mafia its inadmissible and what i said was obviously not a personnal attack

You are not the arbiter of what gives the other person offense.

Different people have different thresholds. Crossing them is wrong regardless of alignment.

You offended me, please refrain in the future or ill report you. You are now responsible that i took offense, im asking you to excuse yourself for the personnal attack

Well since you're so right and offending people doesn't matter, I don't give a fuck.

If you dont care why dont you replace out ? You are implying you arent playing to win

[Joey_]

RC, do you think scum is going to unnecessarily put themselves in the crosshairs when everything is rolling smoothly along for them?

I don't see why Joey would do this as scum.

I might do it as scum, but i wouldnt antagonize both of you the way i did, rc is just confbiasing and refusing to reconsider which is extremely bad play

[Joey_]

If you dont care why dont you replace out ? You are implying you arent playing to win

Because unlike some people, I consider others.

It would be cruel to ask anyone else to replace into this game.

You think i dont care about others ? Im literraly wasting my time studying to helps others but no one will make me feel bad for light banter

[Joey_]

lol

[Joey_]

honestly i think youre town, you also have an inability to read obvious town

[Joey_]

I will never put myself in autolose, ever and thats even if im 100% sure of a read, anyone ever saying theyd self if wrong are fucking liars

[Joey_]

Personnaly i think grey scumtold when we were having this gentle friendly conversation

[Joey_]

Lol I'm not telling you to self. I'm saying that I will make sure that you get lynched tomorrow.

Im not mafia, whatever flip or reads you have this is not the case, if it goes to lylo it goes to lylo but im not more mafia tomorow than today w/e the flip

[Joey_]

Now... how did Grey scumtell?

Grey has a huge ass personnality, i think he looks too gentle this game, i feel like he cared about what others thought about him and to ''keep'' good relations etc, he coasted our exchange and the way he replaced-out or told me he didnt want to, i didnt like it

[Joey_]

Grey has been playing the wifom ''lynch me idc'' card once too many times, narna's answer to my fos also makes me want to reconsider and im not going back on titus/dwele today

[Joey_]

AKA, that makes way more sense as a his-mood-during-these-exchanges tell than a particularly scum/town tell. I know for a fact that he upset a player as scum in our previous game by going too ham.

okay i just have town!grey meta, i just figured him being diff could be nai

[Joey_]

could be ai*

[Joey_]

Theres probably something wrong tbh

[Joey_]

Fine. You win.

@mod: Please replace me.

May God have mercy on their soul.

Like he could just told me to shut the fuck up like in our 3-4 town games together, imo he might was having a ml but i called him out on implying that he wasnt playing for his win con, i insisted so maybe he thought town would flip so he had to replace out ?

Honestly i dont even like this read myself, it looks fake ass bullshit from someone trying to get an easy ml on someone who replaced out, but grey agreeing to replace out in 2 posts on the fly just cause i insisted doesnt strike me as his character

[Joey_]

Technically my Titus metrics say that I should follow her Grey read. I'm going to reread the slot.

What is the titus metrics

[Joey_]

Also from experience, if he played a a scum partner game with you at the same time he played a scum vs town game with you, he altered his own meta

[Joey_]

That was incredibly rude.

Regardless of your opinion of the mod's abilities, he's trying to provide a fun experience for a dozen people. You could at least respect the effort.

And, I disagree with you. Scum loves disarray, town hates a jumbled mess to sift through.

What? I don't have any problem with James' modding...

I was obviously responding to 445, not my fault you interrupted in the few minutes it took me to post.

I'm not particularly motivated to work with you, Transcend.

Think I'll keep my vote where it is.

hard to say tbh

[Joey_]

...From experience?

Off site, i was playing a game with someone as mafia partners and a game as where i was mafia and them town, i completly altered my scum meta from both game so he wouldnt catch me

[Joey_]

Well yea, i dont use the same stuff i used anyway

[Joey_]

idk, what was your base read on narna ? I played with her when she was town and i hardtownread the slot instantly

[Joey_]

Youve been with town!alisae before, hes lynched almost every single game, what make you think you are able to correctly read him?

[Joey_]

No I've actually never played with Town!Alisae before in an incomplete game and I don't think you're allowed to talk about ongoing ones

well i just assumed you did, i didnt review all yours games

[Joey_]

I can tell you from experience that alisae gets lynched every games for the same reason, people fail to read him correctly and consistently

[Joey_]

Not false, it just doesnt apply

[Joey_]

If you independtly scumread me as well you are 0/3 on this slot, way below average and way worse than a coin flip

[Joey_]

Joey is not mafia.

VOTE: Joey

Typo ?

[Joey_]

The one in Rc/titus that are town should be ashamed of that vote

[Joey_]

maybe she is referring to the player?

Whats your reads ?

[Joey_]

LOL okay i understand VOTE: joey good luck noobs

[Joey_]

peace out

[Joey_]

@titus @RC good luck mishammering because you both are too darn blind and cant townread a fucking obvious town slot

[Joey_]

why the fuck would you self-hammer

RC wouldnt change his vote in a year, Titus is just logic-proof when you argue wtih her, Narna is prob scum voting me and fosed me anyway, the replacement might go with it probably, all im doing is speeding the game up

[Joey_]

RC def town, Grey prob town, you prob town, titus / narna is my scum pool

Did you think I was going to vote outside of my scum pool??

You never tried to converse with rc and titus i see

[Joey_]

I have been towntelling 24/24 for 2 days straight and titus just non-chalantely vote me, same for RC who would never reconsider, im not wasting my time sorry dwele, i expect you to die anyway

[Joey_]

Uhh. I was seriously considering switching votes and I think it was obvious with what I was saying yesterday.

Too bad

[Joey_]

Man I thought it was really obvious that you were in fact getting somewhere with me but maybe I'm wrong.

Yea but im also punishing titus for the 3 way

[Joey_]

"punishing"
aka petty bullshit when you should just be trying to win

Im not going to argue againts titus, im pretty to invest my time better. Also this self can gives reads