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To quote Datisi, this is a mood.In post 1529, Andresvmb wrote:it’s been a super busy week for me.YOUR AD HERE
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You didn't really explain this read.
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I think town is a little divided on their poes, and some scum are probably playing just town enough for the compromises to feel icky.In post 1586, RLotus wrote:Either Elements is just scum or one or two scum are already on Elements right?
I fail to see why it is so hard to get wagons going
For example, I just could not get into my elements vote, even though I don't really see a reason not too. I'm not getting like strong scum vibes there either. I'd be willing to put my vote there again to end this day, but how they flip I don't have confidence in.YOUR AD HERE
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It's a fair point.In post 1595, RLotus wrote:
Yeah, town is certainly divided. My thinking is moreso why aren't scum pushing over elements.In post 1593, VP Baltar wrote:
I think town is a little divided on their poes, and some scum are probably playing just town enough for the compromises to feel icky.In post 1586, RLotus wrote:Either Elements is just scum or one or two scum are already on Elements right?
I fail to see why it is so hard to get wagons going
For example, I just could not get into my elements vote, even though I don't really see a reason not too. I'm not getting like strong scum vibes there either. I'd be willing to put my vote there again to end this day, but how they flip I don't have confidence in.YOUR AD HERE
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Thank you for working to make the game less toxic.In post 1601, Battle Mage wrote:out of courtesy, and in recognition of a formal warning received, I'm issuing a formal apology to anybody who has been offended by me during this game.
Mod: I think lotus voted before me. Just for accuracy in wagon position.
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Why those two specifically?In post 1603, ItalianoVD wrote:@Elements @BM might as well just vote me. We can end this day and you guys can catch the scum that’s on my wagon.YOUR AD HERE
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Counterpoint, andres, is I think resolving Italiano at least gives us some information given most people have stated some kinds of thoughts there.
Pedit: yeah, later you talked about maxwell's reads and your own. I just run and gun on posts without reading ahead a lot of the time.YOUR AD HERE
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Yeah, I definitely agree. I'm not confident at all in this being the right choice, but if I'm going to compromise, at least I'm voting with my top town read.In post 1611, Andresvmb wrote:I will say though, whenever I see that varying camps are looking to compromise somewhere, I very rarely get the feeling it’s the right choice. I would be more aggressive in defending Italiano if I was surer that they’re Town.
I think I could make a strong argument that a Dunn yeet is less of a risk, but we also don't gain much info if he does happen to flip town.YOUR AD HERE
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Yeah, I had no clue what this is referring to either. I assume some misremembering.In post 1625, Green Crayons wrote:i don't remember fighting with Baltar so what's this?YOUR AD HERE
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Cfd?In post 1630, Andresvmb wrote:
I have yet to see a CFD in this forum lead to Scum I have to say. But there’s always room for a surprise.In post 1618, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:last minute wagons can materialize and hit scum idm datisi voting his heartYOUR AD HERE
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No, dunn was on elements last I checked. I was there for a hot second, but didn't feel good about it. I'm sheeping Datisi now.In post 1642, Andresvmb wrote:
You’re also voting with your top Scum Read if I don’t have it wrong. Right?In post 1619, VP Baltar wrote:Yeah, I definitely agree. I'm not confident at all in this being the right choice, but if I'm going to compromise, at least I'm voting with my top town read.YOUR AD HERE
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Benefits of a Dunn wagon: he has contributed nothing despite me trying to prompt interaction from him several times. He may be following the thread and just not posting. When he does post, they are mostly just prod dodge type posts. There is no guarantee he is going to suddenly become useful later in the game.
Downside: if he flips scum, there isn't a lot of info to go on.YOUR AD HERE
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What? Who am I making associatives on?In post 1662, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:
Ah the classic town shitting themselves on a d1 scum elim making wrong assumptions on associatives the rest of the game.In post 1657, VP Baltar wrote:Benefits of a Dunn wagon: he has contributed nothing despite me trying to prompt interaction from him several times. He may be following the thread and just not posting. When he does post, they are mostly just prod dodge type posts. There is no guarantee he is going to suddenly become useful later in the game.
Downside: if he flips scum, there isn't a lot of info to go on.YOUR AD HERE
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This post would not be my example since Datisi is objectively right...In post 1674, Andresvmb wrote:
I really hope Italiano is Scum, only because if not, these sorts of posts are going to look so Scummy in retrospect.In post 1673, Datisi wrote:
more or less, yeah.In post 1671, maxwell wrote:Are you asking me why I'm not voting him right now?
so you *are* being bussed, thanks!In post 1672, ItalianoVD wrote:People are smart they’ll figure it out.YOUR AD HERE
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Lot of people not voting one of the top two wagonsIn post 1677, Elements wrote:why is this day not overYOUR AD HERE
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Was you and Italiano. Now seems like GC is in the mix.In post 1679, Elements wrote:who were the offer compromises?YOUR AD HERE
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I'm null on that slot really. Maxwell seems to be contributing, and I think they will be readable after a fresh day.
It's also a very low info yeet, in which case, I'd prefer dunnYOUR AD HERE
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That scum were avoiding getting on italiano's wagon. I assumed it was because he was an obv yeet and it'd look like bussing when he flipped scum...but perhaps it was because they knew he was going to flip town?In post 1737, Green Crayons wrote:
what's this mean?In post 1714, VP Baltar wrote:Scum afraid to vote lol
The wagon was the obvious conclusion for the day and yet was stalled for quite awhile, so much so that italiano self hammered as a cop.....YOUR AD HERE
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Why
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I agree that I don't want a Dunn flip in just a couple pages. I have a busy work week and probably won't get serious time for this game until this weekend.
That being said. I think keeping him at Y-2 is fine for now. Doesn't change anything.
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Dunn's unexplained aversion to voting Italiano at that point pinged me at the time as him possibly voting a scum buddy for future town cred.In post 1757, Datisi wrote:are these associates or just individual scumminess?YOUR AD HERE
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I think the wagon speed isn't super indicative of anything until we know more. I'm absolutely not giving dunn a town pass because he's been scummy and caught votes off it. I think you're being way too generous there. Scum could feel like he is toast and a quick buss gives little info. Or perhaps a quick wagon scares people away.In post 1769, Andresvmb wrote:@VPB have your views changed at all now that you see the same folks that pushed Italiano come out for Dunn? Or you think your read there is correct still?
We are both speculating it would seem.
Question for you: do you think more scum were likely on or off the italiano wagon yesterday?YOUR AD HERE
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You kidding? You know scum know who the town are, right?In post 1788, Andresvmb wrote:
Okay but Italiano flipped Town so how is this remotely relevant?In post 1786, VP Baltar wrote:Dunn's unexplained aversion to voting Italiano at that point pinged me at the time as him possibly voting a scum buddy for future town cred.YOUR AD HERE
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No I'm not saying I was scum reading midway. I'm saying that is one possible answer for Dunn's avoiding an inevitable wagon.In post 1794, Andresvmb wrote:
You said you were SR’ing Dunn and midwaybear. Today. But your explanation is something that literally didn’t happen. So what are you saying exactly?In post 1793, VP Baltar wrote:
You kidding? You know scum know who the town are, right?In post 1788, Andresvmb wrote:
Okay but Italiano flipped Town so how is this remotely relevant?In post 1786, VP Baltar wrote:Dunn's unexplained aversion to voting Italiano at that point pinged me at the time as him possibly voting a scum buddy for future town cred.YOUR AD HERE
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Probably should check your facts on thatIn post 1796, Andresvmb wrote:Like how can you possibly know they’re both Scum? And that Dunn decided to land on midwaybear at the end of the day for “future Town cred”? Why are you so willing to give all of the early Italiano pushers a pass? Is it because you were one of them too?YOUR AD HERE
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In post 1856, Dunnstral wrote:You had a chance to vote him while a wagon was building there but chose to counter-wagon on me isnteadWaves hand at final vote countYOUR AD HERE
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Look at the ending vote count for D1 and then reevaluate your statement.In post 1859, Dunnstral wrote:I'd prefer if you used your wordsYOUR AD HERE
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Had you been looking for scum prior to then?In post 1864, Dunnstral wrote:I then started looking for scum and didn't like what midway was doingYOUR AD HERE
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This is such a bad post, btw.In post 1796, Andresvmb wrote:Like how can you possibly know they’re both Scum? And that Dunn decided to land on midwaybear at the end of the day for “future Town cred”? Why are you so willing to give all of the early Italiano pushers a pass? Is it because you were one of them too?
I never said I know for a fact midway and dunn are scum. I offered a theory that I think makes a lot of sense. The shade at the end of your post is also completely unfounded. I never gave a free pass to people on that wagon, nor am I asking for a free pass. You're making an awful lot of innuendo with zero reason other than...
*Checks notes*
..I still think my top scum read is scum.YOUR AD HERE
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Well we had replacements we were waiting on, so that's null.In post 1802, Andresvmb wrote:
You could make this point about literally anyone not voting Italiano at the end of the day.In post 1799, VP Baltar wrote:No I'm not saying I was scum reading midway. I'm saying that is one possible answer for Dunn's avoiding an inevitable wagon.
Of the people who showed up right at the end as the final hours of deadline ticked off, Dunn is the one who voted with very little reason on midway when it was obvious that wasn't going to happen.
It's not like Dunn was some Italiano stan all day. That would at least be a reasonable position then. But voting in a go nowhere spot as deadline looms and there is only one reasonably likely yeet for the day? Meh.YOUR AD HERE
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I counter by asking you who else was a viable yeet? As someone who tried to get traction other places, I assure you it was not easy.In post 1810, Andresvmb wrote:The problem here is that everybody is looking at the game as if Italiano was the inevitable conclusion to the day
I think you're kind of full of shit with this outrage about a Dunn wagon. I don't mind someone making the argument we should hunt on the Italiano wagon, but you're not making good arguments WHY...other than "italiano flip green," which is pretty basic thinking about what may have gone down there.
That being said, I do think GC is the scummiest of that wagon probably, so I can criticize your vote necessarily.YOUR AD HERE
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Haha, if you are bringing me into a debate on something that happened 11 years ago, you have much more faith in my memory than I do.In post 1876, Dunnstral wrote:Spoiler: Amish Tell Definition Source
Might be something to be said about VP knowing that momrangal is making an incorrect argument and ignoring? I'm not sure.
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As the person who tried to get the RLotus wagon, I think it wasn't going to happen. I tried.In post 1880, Andresvmb wrote:
If I remember correctly, deadline wasn’t some hours away. There was more than a full day left. My point is that with enough discussion, you never know what can happen. And there had been multiple votes for Green Crayons and RLotus even. Are you dismissing every other wagon that day as not viable? Because that seems laughable to me.In post 1872, VP Baltar wrote:I counter by asking you who else was a viable yeet? As someone who tried to get traction other places, I assure you it was not easy.
Yes, things can always shift. But the game energy was very dead at that point. There wasn't exactly inspirational debate happening at the time. We also needed at least one replacement at that point, iirc, with no stopping on deadline counter.
I can go get the receipts if necessary, but I've been a pretty active player all game and I feel like I had a pretty good sense of what was or wasn't likely at that point. Obviously you may see that differently, but I definitely got some energy toward other wagons and just couldn't get them. It felt very uphill to get any kind of consensus.YOUR AD HERE
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Fact check...GC wasn't on the italiano wagon. Not sure why I thought he waaIn post 1872, VP Baltar wrote:That being said, I do think GC is the scummiest of that wagon probably, so I can criticize your vote necessarily.YOUR AD HERE
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This game is such a blast from the past! This site was so different then. 57 pages for an entire game and people are just chillax debating, imagine!In post 1883, VP Baltar wrote:
Haha, if you are bringing me into a debate on something that happened 11 years ago, you have much more faith in my memory than I do.In post 1876, Dunnstral wrote:Spoiler: Amish Tell Definition Source
Might be something to be said about VP knowing that momrangal is making an incorrect argument and ignoring? I'm not sure.
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Way to dangle something interesting and then take it away!In post 1897, Datisi wrote:In post 1630, Andresvmb wrote:
I have yet to see a CFD in this forum lead to Scum I have to say. But there’s always room for a surprise.In post 1618, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:last minute wagons can materialize and hit scum idm datisi voting his heart
hmm.In post 1636, Andresvmb wrote:Obviously it’s not going to fail every time. But it always feels random to me. It leaves the game at the mercy of the most active players, and if you have good Scum, it leads to some bad conclusions typically.
i have an idea right now but it's best explored later. anyway.
I'm fine with later, but when is later? Today?YOUR AD HERE
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I don't doubt there was at least one scum on that wagon. Lotus isnt exactly in my town ride or die either.In post 1907, Andresvmb wrote:Regardless, that’s quite speculative right now. I am trying to be more realistic. Scum tend not to be so loud. You guys are being loud. I think there’s Scum hiding behind you. And I would be amazed if the Italiano wagon was pure.
That being said, I don't think Datisi is scum. I know I'm not scum.
The italiano wagon needs analysis, which I hope to do later this weekend when I have time to put serious thought into this game. I think that analysis includes both the people on it and people weirdly off it. Because, real talk, you can say Datisi or I are Bad At Mafia, but Italiano self-hammered as a cop, so....
The reason I'm slightly annoyed with you is that your thinking is coming across as very one dimensional. I know aggression is your playstyle, but this discussion so far doesn't feel very thought out or enlightening to me. IdkYOUR AD HERE
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Cool.In post 1911, Cookie Monster wrote:
2 this is number 3In post 1894, VP Baltar wrote:Cookie, how many games of mafia have you completed?
I might suggest reading some ISOs of people you find suspicious. I get the sense from your reads list that you did a pretty cursory read, which I understand given the length of the game.
I think your slot is town and if we can get you more plugged in, you'll be more of an asset.YOUR AD HERE
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Would definitely be interested in hearing more on this when you figure out what is pinging your gutIn post 1914, midwaybear wrote:GC: I don't have too much of an opinion. I remember him asking some questions that I thought were pro-town, but I'm not sure how easily they could be faked. I also am getting a negative gut impression, but that needs to be fleshed out more.YOUR AD HERE
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Do you think elements' vote is scummy?In post 1923, maxwell wrote:Depressingly, don't think so, they appear to be a gimmick alt, not really expecting anything useful from them in terms of content.
I don't really have thoughts on the argument between datisi and andres, they don't look like scum to me, still think midwaybear is scummy.
It kind of comes across that way to me. Cookie could be an alt, but if they are an actual noob, it seems like LHFYOUR AD HERE
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Well that reads list is such a disaster it is comical to think scum would come out and post that without their buddies saying "hold up." If cookie is scum,they presumably don't have much experience and would be more likely to seek advice from buddies, I would think. If I was on that scum team, I certainly would have suggested revising that post considerably to be more mainstream.In post 1936, Green Crayons wrote:
oh lol Elements answered at the page topIn post 1934, Green Crayons wrote:
after elements explains why they think Cookie is obvscum, i'd like to hear why you think Cookie is LHFIn post 1924, VP Baltar wrote:Cookie could be an alt, but if they are an actual noob, it seems like LHF
so, i'd like to hear why you think Cookie is LHF
Now, if we flip that and assume Cookie is town here, that's exactly the type of terrible post I'd capitalize on as scum to get an easy yeet. There are several poorly articulated reads on the list you could really hammer on and make cookie look scummy for because I doubt cookie has very solid justification for some of them.YOUR AD HERE
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To elements' point, that might be a fair assessment. I'd need to look at Duchess's reads post because I don't recall what they were pursuing too well. I do recall their weak sheep of Lotus onto me, so that tracks I supposeYOUR AD HERE
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Interesting, if for the fact it's not even a remotely accurate description of my stated suspicions this game. In other words, top =/= only.In post 1940, Dunnstral wrote:And I appear to be his only scumread
Btw, who are your scum reads?YOUR AD HERE
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