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i'm here. i'm hungover. as much as haphazard setup spec entertains me it's worth noting this is a predesigned setup.

I'm also in pain/hungover (Airsoft weekend)

VOTE: Sky

Be gentle

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I've not really read up to now. I will do when I'm a bit less 'Have just been shot' and a bit more 'I can think straight' haha

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I'm catching up as I go but

I'm just trying to do something that's useful for d1 because you guys are just chatting for now while I'm actually trying to solve

No you aren't. You explained your modvote and then you asked if anyone wanted to try and solve the setup (with zero information). That's not trying to solve, it's asking rather impossible hypotheticals and

looking

like solving.

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Huh that was basically all to catch up on.

Not sure whether happy is just vibing or if they trying to appear solve-y but for me my vote is here for now.

UNVOTE: Sky
VOTE: Happy

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I get the sense we've had a lot of kind of waffly talk.

@Oopsiedaisie, which of the two do you think KKFC is right now?

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Is it purely a meta read?

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I get the sense we've had a lot of kind of waffly talk.

Do you think that waffly talk is bad for the game?

I think so tbh - although whilst I'm on V/LA I've not had much time to really affect that which should be coming to an end tomorrow.

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I get the sense we've had a lot of kind of waffly talk.

Do you think that waffly talk is bad for the game?

I think so tbh

Do you think all waffeling is nai?

I think context is key. If it's waffle designed to, for instance, elongate RVS or to occupy time in a game, or to stifle discussion then yeah it is. I don't see waffling in those contexts as a town-indicative action but I think that may be something for me to overcome as more of a playstyle clash than an AI action. If there is waffle in posts but the posts also have content then waffle away

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Why Delta?

143 feels like a scum post. 123 also looks kinda LAMIST. At the moment I'm perceiving IAVH as an "easy target" so I don't like Delta's vote there. And Delta's getting back from V/LA today so I thought it'd be a good time to drop some pressure

Meanie. Back in about 3 hours so might catch up properly tonight, maybe tomorrow.

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Why did KKFC reach E-1 with intent?

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Okay I kind of see it on page 10

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UNVOTE: IAVH
I'm getting some bad vibes since coming off V/LA from KKFC, I don't see much justification for 'openwolfing' which is their justification for scumreading Elements and IAVH and since it's not backed up with a vote, it comes across as cautious scum to me rather than cautious townie.

I'm keen to have a clear justification from Sky on how they arrived at their narrowed-down scumpool.

Probably a playstyle thing but I don't like how Penguin's approach to KKFC has gone. I'm only really seeing 'I think [X action] is scummy' for KKFC rather than [X action] is scummy because of [Y]. Its making it pretty hard for me to get a read but it feels distinctly unhelpful for town - and when people are critiquing KKFC for their lack of reads (which they have done, kinda), there's no real critique of Penguin's direct questions without attention paid to other players outside of it. Trying to decide whether this is scum or if this is me just not liking the technique.

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Enlightened and delicious as that list may be, I'm not going to place much faith in it, to be honest. It also feels like you're trying to play down your reads - do you have confidence in your vibereads or don't you? It's not clear.

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Is #315 an answer to my #313?

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Can you justify that beyond vibes or is it -just- vibes? Is there any particular posts which pinged you to lean this way?

I'm leaning slightly contrary on PP at present and would like to understand if possible.

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Cheers. That actually makes me feel a little better about them too.

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Any chance of some effort from you, happy? A skim of your ISO shows that you've done functionally nothing.

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would it help you if I told you as town my posting is always erratic?
no
it's just anti-town
same with the post above
no
it's the start of game where we don't have info

Can you stop prod-dodging and either contribute or go to sleep as you said an hour ago?

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So what was your conclusion in the end Elements? Just to be clear - is it that KKFC is town because no-one reacted to the intent to hammer bar PP?

I ask because what Sky said is perfectly legitimate and I think it's wrong to be writing off what scum could and couldn't do D1.

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I find it so hard to sort Happy when they're this committed to playing the troll.

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Yeah all your posts have a clear purpose, like #308, #325, #327 and #330 where you posted no game-advancing content, actively lurking and avoiding picking up a prod.

That was pretty clear but for the rest of it I have the impression you've done absolutely nothing. Can you legitimately counter that viewpoint? Keen to see it.

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#377 is a smidge of game-advancing content, but even then I doubt you've actually been reaction testing RN.

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Yeah all your posts have a clear purpose, like #308, #325, #327 and #330 where you posted no game-advancing content, actively lurking and avoiding picking up a prod.

That was pretty clear but for the rest of it I have the impression you've done absolutely nothing. Can you legitimately counter that viewpoint? Keen to see it.

VOTE: IAVH

You could have answered but you started playing about with Chess. Answer the question please.

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KKFC gives me more null pings than IAVH but no actual scum pings. IAVH town tho.

Why? I really disagree they're doing anything in the town interest right now so to see someone outright labelling them town is weird to me.

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eyy I'm special~

I asked you a question back in #381 and you're now deliberately skirting this.

IAVH has seen that a number of you are townreading this behaviour and has no motivation to change. They can meme their way through D1 and coast through D2 and to be honest I dont know if I have the capacity to townread them for doing absolutely nothing.

I'd also say it'd be pretty easy for scum to park their vote on IAVH because of how they're playing. This is like 3 days now with no game-advancing content, it's easy to justify a vote on them. The fact that a wagon hasn't formed on them tells me one of 2 things:

1- Scum are aware enough to keep Happy around as limbait for D2. They think another wagon can be pushed to completion (IE: KKFC). In this scenario, I would say that KKFC earns a townread from me.
2 - (My Preferred Solve on this) That Happy is scum, able to act irreverently and be townread for doing a whole load of not much and have their vote parked on a popular wagon. Their vote is on KKFC.

I'm content with removing KKFC from my lim pool for today based on this, as I think that either way, the associatives paint KKFC as town not scum. There's flaws with this logic, but I do think this is where my vote is going to stay for some time.

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My honest reaction:

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What have you dropped off since I asked you a question in #381 then? A question that I add, I'm still yet to have an answer to.

I don't think you've reaction tested at all, quote the posts where you did it cheers.

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Are you seriously insinuating that I'm being dense? Cause if you want to turn it into an ad-hominem shit-flinging contest I can buy into that but I don't really want to. Behave.

You've not been 'dropping off any info' whatsoever. Saying that your posts are related to the game is generous so yeah I think you're being given a bit of a free pass that you don't deserve and I'd quite like to remove you from the game.

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No you aren't squirming out of this - answer the questions I have asked.

What information have you been 'dropping'?
Who do you suspect is scum, genuinely?
Do you actually care about the game?

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Thats the thing with it - I don't think they're the same alignment.

Am I potentially getting baited a bit by a complete aversion to how IAVH plays? Yeah, that's possible. When I work through the logic of it though I don't see any reason for Town!IAVH to do this, and having played a few games with them, they're often a bit like this as either alignment but not to this extent. I just don't see why anyone would commit deeper and deeper to this bit rather than trying to have who is presumably their top scumread limmed, or sharing reads on other players beyond 1 'reaction test' which I think was more a test of how tolerant RN is to trolling.

I can't wrap my head around it. If it comes to deadline would I hammer KKFC? Yeah tbh but I do find it quite alarming the way that IAVH is getting away with so many things that are objectively scum-motivated.

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KKFC is independently a good lim for today, but I think IAVH in the wider context and when I theorycraft a little bit - KKFC!Scum doesn't fit with either and Im struggling to reconcile how that works and which way I want to go tbh.

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So you're scumreading me solely from a meta read? That's... incredibly lazy for 18 pages of content and I think at this stage is more likely to come from scum than anything else.

@Oopsie:
I've looked through the ISO and I'm not seeing it so my only conclusion is that IAVH is trolling.
I also don't see what town motivation there is for even softing in D1 without even being at E-1. Either way, I'm unconvinced and my vote won't be moving. I also think that if you need to consider whether a tinfoil hat approaches your head D1 when looking at this, then perhaps it's too tenuous to have any basis in the truth.

Ninja'd: You have said that far better than I could, cheers.

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I see one thing that could possibly be a soft, but I don't believe it if it's what I think it is.

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I agree with that logic.

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backup doctor

I thought this.

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what are you getting read-wise out of this guessing game? just out it my dude

this is scum
VOTE: oopsie
you fell into my trap my friend, I call it the iamveryhappy get softed
there's some simple reasons you're scum
1. I realised you're using meta to push a kkffc mislim, and I fell for it and sheeped you
2. You seem to be too enthusiastic about my role. Let's assume I'm jreatest of all time. You just outed me well done. What if I'm not? I'm placed into an awkward position where my soft did absolutely nothing to bait scumkill. Let me cook. And no, delta got absolutely jack shit on it, if he did, he didn't spew me. Delta town. Normally people get scared here, but I understand I have nothing to lose here.
You just reread my iso for a soft didn't you? Scum tend to do that to deduce nightkills. Thanks for outing yourself <3
looking at sky here, iit's obvious that they only looked at my shitposts but still tthat's a scumtell for me. Oopsie yours is worse to me.

Wtf is this

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Yeah nah Im cool with an IAVH hammer.

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Hey everyone, Nurse thinks it's good to get the distraction out of the way, if you didn't catch that

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Do you understand why damn near everyone is unanimous in limming you?

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That's the tough love version I suppose.

For me, Happy, having done a brief count you've essentially united the playerbase bar Kitty against you. Playing the troll, chucking around ad hominems and running extremely ill-thought-out gambits is what has done this.

Your attitude this game has stunk, to be honest. Nurse is right when they say that Town got Pissed Off because I certainly thought I was smacking my head against a wall as you failed to acknowledge anything I was saying. I can't speak for everyone but I really do hope you take time to reflect, maybe take on board what we've said and why you've been limmed and implement it in the Newbie Queue, potentially. Please don't be too disheartened at this, but I wholeheartedly encourage you to take it as a learning opportunity.

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I think RH is Aussie so some time until flip.

Can we get readslists from everyone going into twilight ASAP please?

Town

Sky

- I agree with a lot of what they say and the things that I don't, I understand how they come to their conclusions. It's transparent and I'm comfortable talking with them.

Oopsie

- As above.

Me

KKFC

(Flip Dependant) - See #430

Kitty

- Finding this slot hard to read. Get a sense they've coasted D1.

Nurse

- Similar to above, although I think the exasperation directed at Happy was genuine.

Penguin

- Vibes. Something just doesn't sit well with me on this slot and I can't quite define it at present.

KKFC

(Flip Dependant) - See #430

Happy

(No flip yet)

Scum

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You know I was racking my brain trying to think of who I missed, but its cause I put KKFC in twice. Amended below

Town

Sky

- I agree with a lot of what they say and the things that I don't, I understand how they come to their conclusions. It's transparent and I'm comfortable talking with them.

Oopsie

- As above.

Me

KKFC

(Flip Dependant) - See #430

Kitty

- Finding this slot hard to read. Get a sense they've coasted D1.

Nurse

- Similar to above, although I think the exasperation directed at Happy was genuine.

Elements

- Again vibes - I have to go back and re-read but I think this slot is null at the moment (exemplified by the fact I forgot to list them first go around (sorry!))

Penguin

- Vibes. Something just doesn't sit well with me on this slot and I can't quite define it at present.

KKFC

(Flip Dependant) - See #430

Happy

(No flip yet)

Scum

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bed time stoned read list:

oopsie
penguin / delta
elements
(this space intentionally left blank)
iamveryhappy / kittytacky / random nurse / katykimfanclub

This one yeah?

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Could you put Kitty, RN and KKFC in an order? I dont get the sense that they're even in your mind.

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Ferrari fans are a good joke

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The one thing I've taken from this year's season is how much I dislike the Dutch National Anthem week-in, week-out. I watch the F2 as well and there's still rarely any respite

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The one thing I've taken from this year's season is how much I dislike the Dutch National Anthem week-in, week-out. I watch the F2 as well and there's still rarely any respite

Yea I don't blame Verstappen but I always tune out of F1 when it just becomes a complete one-horse race at the front. As much as the midfield fights can be rly exciting they never end up the focus on broadcast.

Its a good Q2 at present - if you can tune in, Q3 in <5 mins.

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Oh Oopsie they had a tractor for the first 9 races then at Silverstone qualified P2 and P3, Lando was leading for a while. Hungary they almost took a double podium as well. Lando so far is chasing a 3rd consecutive podium.

Get on it haha

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But yea my fave drivers are Norris, Albon and Russell. I'm biased because I started watching when they entered F1 but I'd protect them with my life ngl they're such fun personalities.

But yea my fave drivers are Norris, Albon and Russell.

Norris, Albon and Russell.

Russell

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'He just turned in on me!' FOS Daisy

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So, uh, about those flips then

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I was trying to format a meme from hot fuzz 'It's just the one flip actually'.

Shame.

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Speaking of uniting the players against me I've predicted this already (!punching bag!)
@Delta feel free to believe I'm vt
Hammered this late is a miracle
(II'm going to forget everything about mafia an relearn it)
fun

Readlist please. If you're genuinely VT then this is the best way you can help us out, by giving your final reads.

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Ggs folks

In hindsight I think I sent my message to Oopsie on the basis that I TR'd them, but mainly because I wasn't done with our chat about F1 haha