Mini 1400(!): Bubble Tape Mafia - It's Over!

[d3x]

Not much for RVS, MM?

VOTE: MM

How 'bout now?

[d3x]

This post is titled 'Thoughts of three rapidly developed pages'

Please note I'm writing this in chronological order, so some items may have already been covered.

pg1

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I'm ok with Thor's vote
not a huge fan of Dave's p9 - we used this tactic as newbScum in my 1st game

@Dave

- in your 3 previous games, did Scum use this tactic? Why is MM scummier than the other 2? Why didn't you mention Leon in your reasoning, you mentioned Safety...

@AP

- Is that obvTown Dave thing RVS nonsense? I don't get that feel at all.

@Dave

- Why wait until p14 to ask Leon, you brought this un in p9? What do you hope to gain with your question to Safety? Do you believe we were still in RVS?
@Cyber- I don't like p18 at all. You've been on this site for 2+ years and don't know how to look up a wiki? It slearly states that he's been Scum in Micro29. It took me 10secs to find this info. What gives? What process did you take to find what games MM's been in? By the by, he did the fluff post there, too. What do you hope to gain by asking MM about his decision to fluff post if you just said it's a weak TownTell for him?
In light of the above point, I'm viewing MM's antiRVS as Null.

@AP

- What exactly was the ScumSlip you reference in ?p23

Bah- my preview window is acting up... I'm going to split this post b/c I can't see what I'm typing...

[d3x]

And heeeere we go...!

pg2

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@Safety

- What exactly do you find scummy with kush's p19? Not understanding a reason to post something =/= Scum posting.

@kushWagon

- meh. Are we seriously considering a policy Lynch b/c he hasn't played here before and cba to look up site specific acronyms? That may be annoying, but I see the proper move is to explain what it is and then hunt him if he's scummy.
My money is on someone within the 1st 3 kush votes is Scum. I kinda like Cyber for it, at this point.

@AP

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Not sure why I should deviate from voting someone who has already scum-slipped.

There was no scumslip in post 11.

Did you really think that me saying "Cyber scumslipped" was random?

Whaa--? Reconcile, plz?

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And finally...

pg3

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@Dave p51- Orly? Lmao... Are you calling people out so early? There'd been a whole ~4hrs between since my first post. Even though I'm stay-at-home, I'm not going to sit on the site and post every 30mins. Have no fear, I'll comment when I can.

Honestly, I don't really see anything on page 3 that I care about discussing, atm. Point me to something if you'd like my specific reaction. I'm going to catch up to page 4 and start discussing current events.

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@AP- How is Thor's p79 scummy? I happen to agree completely. I do not agree with the kush Wagon b/c it sounds like a policy Lynch as opposed to a scummy player on the hook. What do you find scummy about Thor's stance on kush?

@Cyber p82 Fair enough. I didn't 'meta' you, so no, I didn't know that. I've taken a 2yr hiatus and this is my 1st game back, so I understand completely. With that said, why don't you want MM to draw attention to himself?

cant finish now... holding angry baby... be back tonight at the latest...

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p87- What are you smoking AP?

kushWagon 1. SafetyDance 2. MaverickMaestro 3. Cybertronix 4. Thor665 5. zipperflesh

My reasoning for saying that there's Scum in the first 3 {aside from a probably outdated meta about 3rd votes from when I last played} follows...

1. Safety voted for reasons I've listed elsewhere along with his continued posting w/o even mentioning the Wagon that he started.
2. Maverick follows with a scummy policy vote stance
3. Cyber follows with policy vote reasons

I have no problem with Thor's speedwagon vote or zipper's sheeping vote.

Sorry to disappoint, but I'm not going after Thor at this time. I have him in my 'leaning Town' pile.

Funny enough, I have you there, too. I just can't see a Scum motivation for attacking me the way you have. There would be far easier targets to go after as Scum at this point, imo.

side note- is anyone else having problems with their preview screens? After I get a lottle ways past the scrolling, it keeps jumping back up and won't stay to let me see what I'm typing. This is frakking annoying...

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@Cyber p89- AntiTown=/=Scummy. If that's your only reason for jumping on the Wagon, I see no reason not to...
VOTE: Cyber

@AP p96 - I think I answered most of this in my last post. I find it fascinating that you think I'm 'hovering around the thread' while apparently approving strongly of Jake's active lurking.

I do find it interesting that you're bending time to make up arguments against me, though. I think it's pretty obvious that I'm respoding the now 5 pages of dialogue in chronological order, yet you berate me for not being psychic for knowing about post 93 when I was reading post 78... /sigh

@Dave p101 - In your OP {p9} you said you wouldn't self vote, Safety had only posted 5 times on site, and that you found MM 'the scummier of the other two'. In your reasons, you didn't mention Leon. I am curious why.

*snip*

It looks like he's trying to appear busy, but nothing of value is coming from his posts.

Lmao... Hi pot, it's the kettle, you're looking awfully black today.

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The difference between "One of the first 3 people on it is prolly scum" and "One of the first 4 people on it is prolly scum" is arbitrary as hell.

Not if I find the 4th Vote acceptable while the first three are suspect. Let me phrase this another way... I think there is Scum in the first 3 votes because the first 3 votes are scummy. It's the same thing, bro.

The way I read it, Thor is voting for the Wagon. I actually don't have a problem with that. We need Wagons, reactions, debate, etc this early in the day. Saying that you're voting for someone for reasons that I deem scummy... is scummy.

To be sure I didn't miss something, I reread Thor's iso. Nowhere does he say he thinks kush is scummy. {I know what you're going to point to in this circumstance. I've already said that I don't agree with your read on that post.}

why did you ask me why Thor's 97 was scummy if you think Im town AND you already agree with me?

Firstly, I don't agree with you if you're refering to Thor's p79. I said as much in p97, but I think you read it incorrectly. I agree with Thor's post. Read the full selection as a continued thought...

I happen to agree completely. I do not agree with the kush Wagon b/c it sounds like a policy Lynch as opposed to a scummy player on the hook. What do you find scummy about Thor's stance on kush?

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Lol...AP. A little patience, please. Whether you agree or not, I just listed my reasons forbeing ok with the Thor vote.

[d3x]

Oh Thor is voting Kush because HIS PLAYSTYLE IS ANTI-TOWN

Actually, he said he was voting for the Wagon, not the AntiTown play {unless I'm mistaken}.

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AP- Why are you so abrasive? You're using an awful lot of charged language for seemingly no apparent reason. Have I offended you somewhere?

Huzzah, speed lynch ho!

This is Thor's vote. I read this as voting the Wagon. Nowhere in this post does it say he's voting for any other reason than the speed of said Wagon.

p-edit. You mention p89/90, but I'm more interested in the initial votes. You say that their votes are basically identical, but I disagree. Cyber's vote comes with a description of why he's voting, as does Thor's.

If you're gonna play on MS, you probably want to learn how the game is played here.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: kushm4sta

This is clearly a PL vote.

Unvote: MaverickMaestro
Vote: kushm4sta

Huzzah, speed lynch ho!

I contend that this is a Wagon vote.

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Posting selectively at this point. I'm not doing a PBPA for the last 4 pages as I see it mostly a bunch posturing and pissing.

@d3x: While my vote on kush is clearly a PL move, it's also a pressure move. Let's see what his reaction is.

You posted your vote in p28. He posted 4 times between that and your above quote. I think he reacted plenty. What are you still waiting for?
As a matter of fact, the entirity of p153 reeks, imo. Not a fan of his p155 either. Aside from that, look at his iso. I don't see anything but reactions and answers to questions since his 'meta' discussion on MM circa page 1.

Hey Cyber, do you still think a PL is the best place to park your vote?

Confirm Vote: Cybertronix

Other people in my 'Leaning Scum' pile...
Dave & DoubleJD

[d3x]

I could get behind a DaveLynch {later in the day}, but I like my CyberWagon a lot better.

I feel like p222 is just a nice little bait and switch {and potential easy bus}.

@All- Thoughts on my Cyber case?

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Also, wilkommen Kthx.

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It is interesting that he said'I dont self vote' as opposed to'im not scum'...

[d3x]

Dave

[d3x]

/in before debate starts about his Best Mafia Performance award

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@AP- Did I miss something here?

My best bets are Dave/Thor/d3x/DoubleJD.

DoubleJD is off my hitlist.

DoubeJD hasn't posted since before your p240. What gives?

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Found it, top of 11. I missed that in my reread.

[d3x]

Ninja'd

[d3x]

This thread needs more Leon... and Devourer's slot... and a few other peeps.

[d3x]

--QuadraPost--

@Cyber p82 *

snip

* why don't you want MM to draw attention to himself?

Hey Cyber, I just realized you never answered this. I'd like that answer now, plz.

side note- Apparently, I'm the only one awake at this God forsaken hour.

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I never said that I didn't want him to draw attention to himself.

I never said that you explicitly stated you didn't want him to draw attention to himself, but you sure inferred it.

I asked him the question because even if I did think he was town, his fluff posts draw attention to him.

Let me ask you again, why don't you want him to draw attention to himself? It seems to me that this is what you are saying in p82.

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@Mod

- I know he hasn't gone a full 72 hours, but in light of Rule13, can we get a prod on Leon, plz?

[d3x]

13. Catch-All: If you seem to be violating the spirit of these rules while operating under the letter of them, I will take appropriate action. Fair warning.

I think this qualifies as not having to twist his rules, he built in a caveat to cover this type of circumstance, imo. I also strongly believe that this is hindering the progression of the day. [/2 cents]

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Yeah, let's lynch Dave.

This. But let's wait for the 3 f*ing replacements.

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Yeah, L-1 RoleClaims were pretty standard when I was here last. I don't knwo if anything has changed since then, but I don't see any reason why they would've.

p-edit. Generally you'll be asked before someone is ready to Hammer. We're not quite to that point, yet.

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I believe that was to guard against an accidental early Lynch.

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Claim now if you want. No one should be Hammering before the replacements get here. We also have 2 weeks, so there's no problem with deadlines creeping up.

[d3x]

Any breadcrumbs for us?

[d3x]

@AP - u just triple posted

And...?

[d3x]

3 posts in a row wasn't a tell.

Floundering and looking all scummy as hell in the expanse of three rapid fire posts after a probable scumslip... that was a tell.

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@AP- Do you really want a Hammer down w/o the 3 replacements? Given, at least 2 have a few posts, but Leon has a single introductory post. How would this help us?

[d3x]

I've been off the site for a few years... explain to me how that Hammer was proTown, plz.

Also, welcome replacements {-1}

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Stifling D1 conversation, not waiting to hear anything from multiple player slots, Hammering before a consensus has been reached on the claim. These things are all AntiTown. I'm not saying they're scummy just yet, but they're definitely not in the Town's best interest.

[d3x]

More when I'm not on my phone.

[d3x]

@AP- A man could choke on that WIFOM.

[d3x]

What are you saying?

I'm saying...

These things are all AntiTown.

...and I want to know qwints thoughts from qwints. I apreciate the attempt at chanelling him, though AP.

I have a few places my Vote wants to go, but I want to hear from him first. I'm well aware that no one is in danger of a Lynch this early, but I want players' thoughts on paper before I lay it down.

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Umm...

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I think yer dead, Rondar...

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I'm not a huge fan of p525, but Meh. I think it's time to show my hand and truly get this Day started...

VOTE: kush

Dave168: 6 (Cybertronix, Thor665, AngryPidgeon, Kthxbye, k4shmasta, zipperflesh)

amended by Mod

That vote.count is wrong. My vote isn't on cyber.

That wasn't a hammer. also i agree with Jakes policy i don't want to lynch him today.

Immediately before saying that you didn't want the Lynch to happen, you corrected the Mod to put your Dave vote back in the correct place. After the votecount was corrected, the Hammer came down, you then said 'no it wasn't' and declared that you don;t want the Lynch to happen. You didn't even unvote at the point where you 'believed' that the Lynch you didn't want was now 'L-1".

Further news...
kush starts the Wagon w/o voting it. In p201 he is the first to call the "scumslip", yet doesn't vote it until p248, when there's already 3 votes against Dave.

We've got ourselves a live one chappies...

Wagon starts here.

People who can die after this...
Cyber & MM

[d3x]

I of course added the

amended by Mod

in p459.

[d3x]

hmm...

i believe
unvote dave

this complicates things though. it was the failed unvote...

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I thought zipper had the failed unvote.

kush, why didn't you correct the Mod by saying where your vote should've been instead of that it shouldn't have been on Cyber?

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Its unlikely that scum-qwints hammers a claimed town cop in his first post of the game. Its just a really bold move. And no offense to qwints, but I dont think hes bold enough to do tht as scum.

Do you have a strong meta read on qwints' ScumPlay?

But stifling conversation is ridiculous

You were comfortable with the lack of participation from all 3 of the replacees at the end of D1? I sure wasn't. I call that stifling conversation. We had 2+ weeks to discuss and had 3 players yet to hear from. A replacer Hammer vote cut all communication off.

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I have no warm fuzzy feelings for him. I'm not as taken by your assertion that he's proTown. I'd say Null leaning Scum.

[d3x]

Don't worry, this won't be a full PBPA, I'm just posting some thoughts and answering some questions as I fully read the thread.

@Kthxbye: If dave had flipped scum, would your opinion of qwints be different?

AP: probably yes.

I don't like this. It may have been covered already {I've skimmed throughout today}, but this makes no sense to me. qwints actions still would've resulted in cutting off the discussion. It would still be antiTown. This brings up something nagging for a while. I wanted to get a more solid read before bringing it up, but here goes. I always get a Scumvibe from Kthx when he's Town. I don't remember playig with him as a Scumslot atm {although there was that one game where he was an SK}, but I don't have the same vibe from him at this point. It's nothing concrete, but it's there. I don't know if it's just the amount of time between games or what, but I'm not getting the same sense of play from him as Town.

I declare BS on kush's p541. He's used the Unvote tags before {see p248}, thus proving that he knew a)they existed and b)they were needed per the Rule 1

-Seriously guys, where are the kush votes?

Hi tunnel-face mastin You know I love you, but I kinda' knew I'd run into this someday. I butted head's with Nik, yabba, and I even some 2nd gen Nik followers...

Damn it! My preview screen is doing that thing again. It keeps scrolling backup everytime I type a letter. I can't see what I'm typing. Seriously, someone help me with this as it's getting super annoying...

Continued in another post shortly...

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Mind explaining to me why you're not scum?

Well, that's kind of a tricky one, isn't it? You are clearly predisposed to read me as Scum {mastermind, no less}. I'd say that I'm fighting against easy policy lynches, building cases that are not being trn down/refuted {just not gaining the steam that I'd obv like}, and while I'm rusty as hell, Scum hunting. I think you'll find that probably my most striking Scum meta is that I tend to tunnel and while you can argue that as I know this, it's not a sound tell; the point stands. Anyone is free to check my completed games, they're all linked in my wiki. Back in the day, I was rather active and have completed quite a number of Scum and Town games. Read up if you want a {slightly out of date} meta.

p-edit: @Jake- I don't know that he did PM the Mod. As vocal as he is about how he doesn't like how this site functions/is run, he didn't mention it at all. Even if he did, Scumkush would've been mad that he got caught on the MisLynch Wagon if he was trying to jump off before it reached it's obvTerminal destination. Hell, it was pretty clear that Dave was going to be Lynched yesterday. Food for thought.

Back to my response to mastin. More in a minute...

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Everyone: Why do you think Rondar was killed?

I hate NK speculation, but since you asked and I like you so much, I will oblige to answer. I think it's because DoubleJD was one of our inactives. He was more prolific than the other 2, but he still wasn't here. It's a pretty safe kill. You can read into this that one or both of the other two are Scum and that's why they didn't bite it, or that it was random. I think enough of us had blood on our hands D1 that it'd be a safe bet that we would all be pretty much at each others throats today. If the Scum didn't have a solid read on the other players who {if anyone} was a PR, they could've also just been fishing. Enough WIFOM NK spec. You made me feel dirty mastin, I need a shower. Note- slight scummy points for mastin for asking people to speculate on NKs. Can you link to a game where you ask NK speculation as Town, please?

-Everyone: What was your opinion on that slot going into night?
What was the town's overall opinion of that slot?

Null and Null, iIrc. Although there was a time when AP called him Scum with m and Dave {something to the effect of MS names that start w/ D are scummy}.

Everyone: What was your read on MY slot going into night?
What was the town's overall read on my slot going into night?

No read to be had, Leon had a single "I'm not here" post that did not in any way relate to the game.

Stupid preview screen... Sorry for the multiposting guys. Trust me, this annoys me pry way more than it annoys you.

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p574. Seriously? Guys, seriously. How is Cyber not Scum? Better question, how is he contributing to the game as Town {doubtful}? He feels that Leon was honest in saying he had an exam? Did I just have a stroke?

Who are/were the obvtown players?

I think my strongest town reads were Jake and AP.

see above

d3x was voting MM for something he himself said was null

This was clearly an RVS Vote. I also don't really like UnVoting unless I have a reason to. Note, I don't think I've yet done it this game.

d3x also chainsaw defended Thor via trying to discredit AP in the early pages as well.

Meh. I can see how you read it this way. In context however, I was having discussions with AP and he asked me about Thor. Yeah, I just checked, AP brought Thor into the convo.

p610 is just laughable. Of course I was ok with the Lynch. I was not shy in making those statements. I believe he read scummy. Even after finding out that he was legit the Cop, he still reads as scummy. That's the overwhelming danger of playing a Cop with a slice of scummy. You don't draw the NK as easily, but you sure make the misLynch easier. Regarding my 'RoleFishing', you're piling up the scummy points, mastin. I was answering directly to Dave's question. The blatant misrep to say otherwise is dually noted.

Yeah, let's lynch Dave.

OK. Suppose that was to happen. Is it normal to want a roleclaim first?

Regarding the breadcrumb question, why on earth would I not ask for breadcrumbs when a scummy player {let alone any player} just claimed Cop?


early p-edit: @AP- I'm not letting this go. You say that my reads are all bass ackwards and it may be so, but I'm sure that there's Scum in either MM or Cyber and [/obv]I'm leaning more towards Cyber[/obv] Not to mention that I think my questions re: kush need to be addressed.

A bunch has happened before posting this. I'll stop the p-edit while I can stil kind of see it.

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Re: mastin's p618

Allow me to concisely debate.

1- Obfuscating- It's how I talk. Read any single one of my games {Town or Scum} and you'll see that.
2- Money where Mouth is- I have my strong Scum reads and I will push those Wagons {even when I'm alone}. I will build my cases for them. I will also add to the discussion on others' play that I think is scummy. Just because my Wagon isn't going where I want it to go, doesn't mean that I'm going to abandon it for the fotm. I will gauge how likely I find it to be legit and support it if necessary.
3- Opportunistic- You forgot MM, lol. I believe them to be scummy. They are more than welcome to come in here and refute my points. Until said time, I don't see how my stance can change on their play. Besides, do you think it would be harmful to the town if they came in here and played? Are you so sure that they are not Scum? Can you say that with 100% certainty? Because if not, they need to get tehir asses in here and play the game. Lurking should never be a viable strat and should be frowned upon.
4- Discrediting Othes- If I don't believe their points to be valid... uh, yeah. I'ma gonna discredit them. If you say the sky is lavendar and try to pass that off as truth, I will tell you you are wrong.
5- Acive Lurking- I find this the most difficult to swallow, honestly. I believe I'm adding well to the discussion and bringing up valid points. Others seem to agree with me. Being a stay-at-home dad of a 3mon old, I don't have a ridonk amount of time to be on here. My posting will sometimes be sporadic. Sometimes, I won't be able to contribute as much as the next guy, but I think the vast majority of my posting is legit.

I said good day, sir.

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Kthx vote, eh? I'm not against it. What's the count? I've ben 3-4 pages behind the whole night in my responses.

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@mastin p624 MM was an RVS Vote... I find it fascinating that you're using this as 'evidence' that I don't vote where I mean to. That post you are referencing is my first actual in the game. By the time I finished my series of catch-up posts and got some actual interaction with people, I was ready to place my Vote. And I did. Out of context piling... and piling...!

Speaking of Fishing...

VOTE: Jake.

Hardclaim or die.

I think this was what, L-3 or something? Way to turn up the boiler on the AP vs Jake fight. By pushng this, you managed to get 2 more claims out there. Good job...

p638 clenches it for me. You don't know if he's Scum or Town, but you fought for a hard claim? Wow. UNVOTE: VOTE: mastin2

And AP, I don't care if you think he's scum; we're not lynching him d2.

But we're not lynching you, either. This 1V1 is retarded, got that?

Lynch scum, not Jake. Not AP.

This...is...terribad...

@d3x, how would you reevaluate your initial read of the kush wagon given that you know think kush is scummy?

Considering I was opposed to the Policy Lynch regardless of the player? I don't see anything changin on my stance of the original kushWagon.

Could I get the following players to list their top 3 lynches in order?

I'm saying mastin, kush, then either Cyber or MM to be determined at a future date. That said, I'm not against Kthx as stated above.

[d3x]

All of this took way too damn much of my time tonight. I'm exhausted and will probably need to wake up in an hour to feed the baby. G'night.

@Mod

- I've abandoned my kush Wagon for the moment and am Voting mastin2 as of p718. Thank you!

[d3x]

My quick thoughts... I was only able to skim the last dozen pages of AP vs Jake SK death match.

Lynches acceptable for today
mastin2
kush
Cyber/AP

Alt Lynches acceptable for today
Kthx

Not acceptable Lynches for today
AP
Jake
everyone else

I'll hopefully be able to get online at some point before tonight to do a full read and break down my reasonings. This list should serve as a guide for which Wagons d3x is happy to be on.

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Hrmm... that should've said Cyber/MM.

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@Jake-

I was only able to skim the last dozen pages of AP vs Jake SK death match.

[d3x]

Sheep more? Lmao... please. Did you bother to read the cases I built on mastin, kush, Cyber/Mm when everyone else had been calling them Town? This actually lends more credence to my issues with mastin, btw. He's said that I'm going for the 'easy lynches'. Maybe you or mastin can then tell me why these 'easy lynches' aren't being refuted nor gaining followings. Assuming I'm wrong on my ScumReads, if I was sheeping or if they are so easy, why aren't I attracting any Scum to help me push them? Point of fact, I think my votes are usually alone on my reads. I think that's the exact opposite of 'easy' or 'sheeping'. I think that means I'm probably on to something.

I hate posting from my phone. I am very limited to what I can directly reference.

[d3x]

A- Nice strawman
B- Classy Omgus
C- Good job misreping your own post

You directly talk about "people" and "lynches", but it seems you are only butt hurt about my 4th in line pick... which isn't even a case I'm actively pursuing, you are more of an afterthought on that list.

[d3x]

Please point out in p932 or 938 where your 'real issue' of not including qwints is.

[d3x]

Why didn't you shoot last night?

[d3x]

I actually buy that a lot more than I buy SK. I don't see Kthx as being the type of person to withhold a shot if there aren't any ramifications {ie- TownKthx not wanting to hit Town}. Further, last time we played and he was SK, he shot N1. I highly doubt that he'd change that now, just to deviate. I buy the Claim.

[d3x]

Short of shooting and missing by some mechanic, that is.

[d3x]

p720 - Says Jake's not Scum b/c meta then immediately says meta is bs.
p890 - Policy Lynch vote.
p931 - Encourages AntiTown behavior.
p948 et al - Pushing Wagons w/o reads on players. Parking L-2 Vote for 2 days without having a strong read on Kthx.

Along with overall not contributing to ScumHunting and the points I made earlier, I'm good with this.

UNVOTE: mastinVOTE: kush

[d3x]

Lol, completely read p720 wrong about 3 times. I retract that. Nice OMGUS, btw, kush. GL with that.

[d3x]

Grats on the Strawman, too.

[d3x]

It means taking the weakest part of an argument or case and responding to it by itself, thus making it look like you are successfully defending yourself. In essence, you chose the one thing that you thought would easily discredit the entire set of points, hung your hat there, and attempted to discredit the rest of the case by ignoring the stronger points against you.

[d3x]

Night actions will be resolved using Natural Action Resolution.

Killing doesn't stop the actions of the dead player.

[d3x]

My top 4 picks are right here for you. With the AP->MM swap, of course.

[d3x]

If kush is legit Town, we've def got Scum lurking their way through this damn game and it pisses me off.

kush, you have been playing to your self described Scum meta, not building cases, not engaged, not trying to figure things out...

[d3x]

I'll have to run the isos tonight. I haven't really had much interaction with either. Btw, thors on v/la.

[d3x]

I'll have to run the isos tonight. I haven't really had much interaction with either. Btw, thors on v/la.

[d3x]

{d3x}

should know better than to base a scum case off bad town play.

kush, you have been playing to your self described Scum meta, not building cases, not engaged, not trying to figure things out...

finals are a bitch

Hrmm...

[d3x]

translation...
d3x is being bad town, obv scum
kush, you're playing to your scum meta
yeah, well...

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So who'd you shoot, Kthx? Based upon your p1088, I figured it'd be me.

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@killer - Were you caught up through D1, or did you just start D2?

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@Thor- in no particular order...
Kthx went to L-1 and claimed x-shot Vig
kush speedlynch went down VT
AP claimed VT in a 1v1 deathmatch against Jake {claimed x-shot commuter}, the deathmatch was stopped
massive speculation about either Jake or AP being SK {spec made by each other, AP since confirmed town}

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@Jake- Wasn't Thor V/LA through most of D2? Are you refering to his activity beforehand? This may sound like a simple question, but I'd like an answer, plz

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I've made my decision and am going with gut.

Town-d3x wouldn't so easily disregard his actions in lynching claimed (confirmed) cop. This leads me to believe something is 'off' about you ignoring it.

To me this reads as 'gut'. As I know you, it reinforced my opinion on the matter that this would bother you enough to shoot me.

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Are we seriously debating statistics? Why?

VOTE: killerjester

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I'm paying attention to the fact that your player slot didn't really add any substance.
I'm paying attention to the fact that early in the day, you were 'adding to the discussion' by pointing out semantics from the wiki on what's allowed in a Normal.
I'm paying attention to the fact that you're debating percentages for something that there's really know way of knowing, continuing the trend of not adding substance.

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I'm 100% down for a Cyber or kj/MM Lynch. I'm just concerned b/c I refuse to believe they're both Scum. It's possible, but not probable to think that 2 Scum have been playing an identical lurker game. I'd be more inclined to believe that one is ultimately mirroring the other for protection. Neither one has really added much to the game, etc {I think I've put together a few bullet point breakdowns on them}. Cyber was on both MisLynches, MM on one and pushed the other while staying clear of it.

I'm checked the Isos and am not impressed by anything I've seen from zipper or qwints, either.

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d3x: seriously? nothing on the Zipper wagon as it's the hot topic atm?

I have stronger reads on Cyber and killerjester than I have on zipper and qwints. I have all game long. I'd rather have one fo them bite it today. I'm not against eitehr qwints or zipper swinging, I just don't have a solid read on either. Suffice to say, they aren't high on my proTown list.

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Deal.

UNVOTE: VOTE: Cyber

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@cyber- how have you posted more in twilight than the rest of the game?

@all- how did we leave cyber alive?

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@qwints- Why should it be made explicit? And what changed between p1305's 'you should totally shoot' and p1313's 'only shoot if you trust yourself more than the Town'?

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VOTE: Cyber

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The same stuff I've been saying for forever. Add to that the fact that he suddenly became active in twilight extolling the zipper Lynch {see additional notes below}, he's been on both MisLynches, and before it was a for sure thing, he jumped the zipper Wagon rather weakly.

I wanted Zipper gone yesterday.

If you look it up, he votes zipper right away D2 without hardly anything to back up the vote, then doesn't mention him again until his 'other acceptable Lynches' pile in p1022 where he changes his vote to Kthx during the QuickLynch scenario {right after the Vig Claim and the mass UnVotes}. He then immediately flips to the kush QuickLynch. He doesn't bring zipper up again until the p1193 Vote claiming that he's wanted him gone since D2.

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Qwints is prob-town, I don't think that hammer had scum intentions.

Not a fan of Jake and Zipper is making some really strange posts right now. Zipper is voting Jake though, so possible bus here?

Gonna jump on the zipper wagon.

VOTE: zipperflesh

Here is his vote:zipper post D2. This is the

closest

thing to a case/opinion that Cyber made D2.

I wanted Zipper gone yesterday.

VOTE: Zipperflesh

This kthx/quints situation is giving me a headache. I'll look at it tomorrow.

This seems a pretty strong position from someone who at one point wants to just "jump on the zipper wagon" and then a few posts later {his posts, not thread posts} downgrades to a secondary acceptable Lynch and doesn't look back.

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@Thor- He jumps on, and then jumps off; that's w/e. The problem is, he then takes a stance when it looks like zipper will catch the Lynch and makes it sound like he's more invested than just jumping. He wants us to think that he's been pulling for this Lynch since D2. It doesn't line up with his play. The timing has your Vote, then ConfTown AP calling for the zipper Lynch, then qwints talking about how he thought zipper was going to be the Vig target. It's not that hard to figure out what comes next and it only takes 5 votes to Lynch. If there was a time to bus, that was it.

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Frankly, looking at the Dave wagon, if Qwints flips town I'd be screaming for a Cyber lynch.
Meh.

If qwints flips Town, there's a very real chance we won't make it to tomorrow. Follow me here. MisLynch, Scum NK, if they don't block Kthx and he hits Town; that's 3 Townies down out of 7 players. Kthx, if qwints flips Town, do not shoot.

Hold up, I must've missed this last night...

I'd lynch Cyber over Qwints though.

Why did this change? The VoteCount analysis?

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I'm fine with it. I'm also fine with popcorn starting with qwints.

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It wasn't a push, it was more of a clarification. Coupled with our previous discussion of your view on Cyber's voting habits, I'm satisfied. I wanted to make sure that I didn't miss anything.

However, I had to leave my computer and saw the MassClaim/UnVote on my phone. I dislike posting much on my phone, so I only responded to that. The 'I'm fine with it' was in reference to the MC only.

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VT. I think that leaves Thor, as Jake and Kthx have claimed.

Hey Cyber, thoughts?

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Going for the hail mary, qwints? I'm guessing that this is a last ditch effort to make it look like you're bussing me. A few points (I'm on my phone, so I can't do a whole lot until later tonight).

1- I started the push for Cyber D1 & D2 & i think even D3 & 4. I think it's ridiculous that you would say I "quickly got on the Cyber Wagon after AP initiated it". Of course I jumped at the chance, I've wanted him to swing for years!

2- I started the case on kush early D2. I didn't feel the need to rehash everything I had previously said.

3- I was fine with Hammering before the Claim, but Jake beat me to the call. It's stupid for multiple people to all state their intention to Hammer. I can't look up the specs, but I'm pretty sure that I already responded to most of the rest of these accusations D2 with mastin.

4- I find your timing amazing. None of this has anything to do with zipper or anything that transpired yesterday or today. If you were so keen on me being Scum, why didn't you say anything when mastin and I were going at it? Further, how did this case materialize in 30 minutes after it was me from 'gut'? It's like you just picked the least confTown and threw a bunch of shit against the wall to see what would stick.

Intent to Hammer. That little 'case' has convinced me.

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Which leads me to believe there are 3 Scum and no SK, btw...

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Huzzah! GG all. I'll be able to joing the postmortem more later after catching up in a few games, but for now I'd just like to point out the following in respect to AP

My money is on someone within the 1st 3 kush votes is Scum. I kinda like Cyber for it, at this point.

His opinion that scum are in the first 3 spots of the Kush wagon has no base and is fake.

kushWagon 1. SafetyDance 2. MaverickMaestro 3. Cybertronix

2 out of 3 ain't bad for my 3rd post in the game[/good natured ribbing]

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Aside from that one tiff early on, I actually really enjoyed playing with you, AP!

Also, I must've missed the 'love'.