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Post Post #11 (isolation #0) » Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:59 pm

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Revenus is scum lol.

First post: joke about RVS voting to avoid RVS voting
Second post: This vote is not random
Third post: Says the vote is random even though it's not random, sets up future target (probably gonna tunnel him by the end of D1) and also attack on intelligence for good measure

vote: Revenus


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Ah Jason beat me to it.
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Post Post #17 (isolation #1) » Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:11 pm

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Also from a read of other games of yours, you're not nearly so hostile or pretentious of town. You sound like being in the informed minority is giving you a superiority complex.
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Post Post #79 (isolation #2) » Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:36 pm

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Lol I didn't examine your games in depth or anything. I scanned a few isos from some recent games (including ongoing) for a similar sort of aggression and didn't find it.
Anyway, Hiraki is town, Jason is town, Hume is town,

You guys are idiots for believing a dayvig happened -_-

Xegarus is scum too maybe?
Hiraki, it's a bit early in his game to say "Navarre dies next" don't you think?
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Post Post #102 (isolation #3) » Thu Jan 24, 2013 5:13 pm

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To be fair I also almost confused the names Jacob and Jason
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Post Post #109 (isolation #4) » Thu Jan 24, 2013 8:59 pm

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In post 107, Navarre wrote:After doing a quick skim of the game so far.

The most scummy is of course Revenue and i have noticed that nearly all of his posts have been useless filler posts that have absolutely nothing to do with scumhunting at all. His cynical play style from page 1 also irks me for some reason.

Hiraki's posts at the beginning seem town like and reasonable but lately his posts don't seem to have any support to his opinions. He also tries to vote me for adressing nothing not less then 24 hours after game starts.

VOTE: Navarre

for addressing nothing


To me this isn't a RV, this could be Hiraki's attempt at trying to get votes of revenue/golden mean.

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Post Post #121 (isolation #5) » Fri Jan 25, 2013 5:36 am

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In post 112, JasonWazza wrote:
UNVOTE: Revenus
VOTE: Hiraki

What are you doing
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Post Post #127 (isolation #6) » Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:17 am

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In post 122, Revenus wrote:Dear evilpacman

Why do you think Hume is town when he's posting stuff like this about you

I dislike this post because it isn't even true. Take a look at Newbie 1156 in ISO. This is exactly how Revenus plays as town. I don't like it. I think it's poor play for town. But that doesn't change the fact that's how Revenus plays as town.

Because, regardless of whether I think he's right or not, it looks like he's legitimately scumhunting and believes what he's saying.
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Post Post #133 (isolation #7) » Fri Jan 25, 2013 4:53 pm

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In post 132, Hiraki wrote:Oh--must've been thinking about the wrong guy in hindsight.

How could you even confuse me and him?
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Post Post #134 (isolation #8) » Fri Jan 25, 2013 4:54 pm

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Jason don't be such a prostitute with your vote, it's annoying.
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Post Post #136 (isolation #9) » Fri Jan 25, 2013 5:05 pm

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I'm saying it's more effective to scumhunt without throwing your vote around every time you have the slightest suspicion. Voting so often is antitown.
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Post Post #139 (isolation #10) » Fri Jan 25, 2013 5:15 pm

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Oh you're one of those 'votes create pressure' people. Ok nvm, not even gonna go there. I think you're town anyway. As long as your vote comes back to Revenus at some point.
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Post Post #219 (isolation #11) » Mon Jan 28, 2013 5:59 am

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Hiraki's probably not scum, he's just stubborn. Anyway busy weekend. Catching up.
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Post Post #229 (isolation #12) » Mon Jan 28, 2013 8:17 am

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EPM*
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Post Post #231 (isolation #13) » Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:39 am

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Yeah exact that's stupid considering there's three obvious letters to use where the separation of words (Pac-Man) occur. It's not EvilPamCan
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Post Post #232 (isolation #14) » Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:39 am

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Any Revenus is doing a better job of looking like town.
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Post Post #233 (isolation #15) » Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:40 am

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Anyway*
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Post Post #264 (isolation #16) » Tue Jan 29, 2013 5:13 pm

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Skimmed page 10 and 11 cuz I was eager to get into the way my reads changed from page 6 to 9. I'll read em more carefully later. I quoted some posts that interested me. I'll point out now that I really like AJ but think he's wrong about some things including the fact that he's voting Hiraki. Not saying it's impossible that Hiraki is scum or that I have a town read on him, but I haven't disliked him so far and I think there's better lynches. I think that one of Revenus and Navarre is probably scum, a lot of people have posited that Revenus is just VI which seems likely to me, and same for Navarre. Maybe the only reason for my theory then is that I really hope there isn't two idiots on the town team.
Also I hadn't noticed that there was probably two teams until it was brought up by someone. Idr who. Btw this reminds me that YOLO is also town. I think between AJ, Hiraki (hopefully), YOLO, and I, we could have a pretty strong and accurate town going. Anyway onto posts.

In post 178, the director wrote:Once Revenus gets to l-1 I will hammer.

You are scum.
In post 186, the director wrote:I'm not about to be lectured to by scum. I have my reasons.

You are scum.
In post 189, the director wrote:@yolo if town had the stones revenus would be dead right now.

@rev your wagon is ... not dumb ... as you so eloquently put it.

YOU ARE SCUM.
I swear if somebody's like blaaaah you can't just post and say this post is scummy waaaaah reasons... come on really like hopefully everyone can see how those posts were written by scum. Also possibly a bad teammate of Revenus' who wants to distance by heavy early bussing.
In post 198, Hiraki wrote:You see I can't give any fucks to pressure when:

A) The person says "let's give him pressure"
B) The person says that I change opinions but I do not change votes but literally just says what I do rather than giving context.
C) The person replaces into a fairly decently contented game for 8 pages and writes maybe 10 sentences and calls it a day and even says that he's written enough.

You need to do some fucking work AJ.

In addition, AJ's scumlist is pretty close to mine so...yeah.

thedirector wrote:So your next post will be thanking me.
Yeah, dunno where the Revenus virus got in you but you can fuck off because if my town cred was as bad as you said, I'd be pretty worried by now.

I only quoted this because it's a good post.

In post 207, Navarre wrote:@Hiraki. Little to no content helps me stay alive at night and people are harder to read day 1 because of the many arguments that people may have. This seriously effects my reads and day 2 will help me provide clearer reads which i will out tomorrow. Get me? or is this really confusing? because it seems to be really confusing when i type it.

Lol you're an idiot.
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@Hiraki. Little to no content helps me stay alive at night and people are harder to read day 1 because of the many arguments that people may have. This seriously effects my reads and day 2 will help me provide clearer reads which i will out tomorrow. Get me? or is this really confusing? because it seems to be really confusing when i type it.


That's seriously dumb and antitown.

Ah beat to it.

In post 220, the director wrote:
In post 202, Revenus wrote:By the way, please don't put Hiraki at L-1 yet, we have like 5-6 players who have a bare minimum of content, so even if we lynch scum today, we're going to be lacking in the information department tomorrow.


Probably the scummiest thing I've read all game.

No. It's stupid sure, but it's not necessarily scummy. At least not as bad as blurring the line between the two. Soooo yeah. Let's kill thedirector instead.
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Post Post #265 (isolation #17) » Tue Jan 29, 2013 5:14 pm

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In post 263, the director wrote:intent

WHERE'S YOUR STONES YOU SCUM
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Post Post #266 (isolation #18) » Tue Jan 29, 2013 5:31 pm

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Unfortunately director setting up an "excusable" instalynch of Revenus but hesitating on Hiraki is very possibly a sign that they're together.
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Post Post #271 (isolation #19) » Tue Jan 29, 2013 7:13 pm

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I figured I'd gauge whether or not the wagon is going anywhere. Like I said I'm not the type to vote often and don't believe votes create pressure. My vote is still on Revenus whose lynch I still wouldn't mind. If it becomes likely that director will be lynched then I'll vote him
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Post Post #280 (isolation #20) » Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:18 am

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Lol you people...
I never called Revenus town anywhere. Sure I said he's looking more town now than the start of the game but he started off pretty badly, it doesn't mean my read has changed completely. Anyway this wagon is one I can get behind.

vote: JacobSavage


also, it's EPM
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Post Post #284 (isolation #21) » Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:33 am

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None of my reads have "changed completely," who are you talking about
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Post Post #285 (isolation #22) » Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:41 am

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Are you even reading, I literally said it's not like my rea has changed completely in the post you qouted and you go and ask me why it has?
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Post Post #287 (isolation #23) » Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:13 am

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Who's your preferred lynch after Hiraki?
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Post Post #291 (isolation #24) » Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:54 pm

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In post 288, Hiraki wrote:AJ.

ANSWER MY FUCKING QUESTION.

HOLY SHIT.

See this is not a scum post
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Post Post #296 (isolation #25) » Wed Jan 30, 2013 4:40 pm

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Isn't there like one vote on me? I am not a competing wagon.
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Post Post #335 (isolation #26) » Thu Jan 31, 2013 5:07 am

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Constant defense of Hiraki = I've been playing with him for a long time. Also I'm gonna refer to you with male pronouns until you get the abbreviation of my name correct.
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Post Post #338 (isolation #27) » Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:45 am

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You were supposed to come the logical conclusion that I also think he's town and based on meta knowledge, I'm more likely to be right.
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Post Post #342 (isolation #28) » Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:00 am

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And if he doesn't?
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Post Post #346 (isolation #29) » Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:41 pm

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^can't we just lynch him?
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Post Post #347 (isolation #30) » Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:42 pm

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In post 345, the director wrote:(he was the one who claimed Revenus was obvscum based on meta in the first few pages of the game).

There's like 4 different blatant lies in this little paren alone.
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Post Post #470 (isolation #31) » Sat Feb 02, 2013 8:24 am

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Damn for a second there I thought there'd be a chance of lynching thedirector.
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Post Post #473 (isolation #32) » Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:03 pm

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vote: thedirector

Let's get it going then. Also I'm reading and catching up right now, real post soon.
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Post Post #477 (isolation #33) » Sat Feb 02, 2013 3:05 pm

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Oops I accidentally hit the quote button instead of Q+ so I'll just make this post now so I don't lose all the quotes I tagged.

I think it's funny that the word scum never causes any semantic satiation in my head, as much as I and everyone else uses it.

In post 348, the director wrote:
In post 17, evilpacman18 wrote:Also from a read of other games of yours, you're not nearly so hostile or pretentious of town. You sound like being in the informed minority is giving you a superiority complex.


So this wasn't directed at Revenus?

Of course it was directed at Revenus, but it's not a meta read at all. I didn't like how he sounded at the start of the game because of the completely non-meta based attack in the last sentence of that quote, and I figured I'd check some of his older games to see if being a dick at least matched his general playstyle so I could reconsider. In other words, I was using his old games to check if his scummy tone matched, not attacking him because of something I found in his older games. Nor did I call him obvscum, nor was that post my only reason for voting him, I had already given more important, also non-meta based reasons in post 11.

So, like I said, four blatant lies, nothing I explained above wasn't readily apparent and completely obvious.

In post 357, Viomi wrote:(Sorry for the double and triple posts, it's how I play)
Just finished reading up on some of Revenus's old games and...

Oh lordie. What is this?!

He's a completely different player there. He's intelligent, lays stuff out.... Unlike in this thread he's flailing like a fucking monkey!

Would you like to explain, Revenus? I haven't seen much scumhunting out of you in this game, especially not as much as you do in previous games.

Perhaps you should've directed your misguided efforts at this attack instead. But since you didn't and are being inconsistent in your attacks...


In post 369, Hiraki wrote:
Jason wrote:This is kinda pathetic and looks more like an activity list rather then anything, town being highly active scum being hardly active.
meanwhile

YOLO wrote:At this moment I don't have much to add. This is mostly due to lack of content from the people I accused previously. JacobSavage has made one small post since his bandwagon started and his comment is once again meta-related. I don't see any reason to change my vote.

I'm just gonna make a habit of quoting strong, accurate, and honest scum hunting efforts from Hiraki, I don't even need to argue that he's town anymore. To be fair, a rebuttal that I'm gonna get for this is that if there's two scum teams, it's entirely possible for Hiraki to scum hunt well and still be scum. But I'd rather go for the people at aren't scum hunting well at all first. It's all about being practical.

In post 374, the director wrote:
In post 352, Viomi wrote:
The fact that they are defending eachother a lot means they're scumbuddies, right?
You don't often see this kind of chainsaw defense, and when you do it's almost always scumbuddies.
How does that not make sense? Yes it's a completely stupid tactic for scum usually, but since most scum bus they might've agreed on defending together since it's not a very common scum tactic.

But anyways that's just a bunch of WIFOM, but answer me this:
Why else would they defend eachother so much?
I get a little bit defense of a friend you've been playing with for a long time, I've sure done it, but this isn't just defense. It's CHAINSAW defense. He's defending everything about hikari he can, and that gives me really bad vibes.


A few points:

>Your reasoning behind them being linked is extremely transparent and suspect.
>You seem to be injecting a lot of WIFOM into the game. I have a rule of thumb, when a player declares WIFOM, I assume it is scum motivated. It makes the game much simpler.
>Your town-motivated play is starting to come off as forced, much in the same way Revenus' is.
>I am inches away from starting a wagon on you.

The fact that evilpacman is now avoiding the game after being caught in a blatant lie is also very much telling. At this point I am linking Viomi/EPM and letting Hikari off the hook, for now. Revenus also is on my scum radar, and the fourth is potentially AJ, but the slot is still open and I'm taking applications.



In post 379, Hiraki wrote:I don't enjoy pairing
at all
but if I were to garner something

I'd think the director would be flirtin' with that AJ there.

Just a very young reaction though. The only grounds I have toward it is that the director hasn't moved his vote and he notes golden mean in his awk rvs review

This is a good point too!

In post 402, Maenara wrote:And here I thought I'd be replacing into a scum slot. Oh, well.

Since I'm not scum, I'm willing to go with Revenus not being so either, since the interaction there was downright bizarre. 'coss, he's still been acting terribly, but that's another matter.

So, Jason, eh? Noted two things about you, as I read this here thread. First off, you've been unusually mercenary with your votes. I don't like that. Secondly, and more importantly, you have a way high words to content ratio. So I took a look at your meta.

Well, I look at the very first game I can find with you in it, and lo and behold! Your posting style is exactly the same. Cue my dismay. Until, that is, I ISO the mod, and find out you flipped scum.

Bye-bye, lad: VOTE: JasonWazza

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In post 403, JasonWazza wrote:
In post 401, Viomi wrote:
Jason wrote:Also i wouldn't call it chainsaw defense, unless your honestly telling me that EPM has like 7-8 scum reads.

Would you mind clarifying this for me?


Well Chainsaw defense usually consists of Player A being called scummy by players B/C and then Player D (the one chainsaw defending) attacking Players B/C for attacking Player A

Hence if EPM was chainsaw defending Hiraki he'd probably have to have 7-8 scum reads (the people who called Hiraki scum)

Jason wrote:
In post 357, Viomi wrote:
He's a completely different player there. He's intelligent, lays stuff out.... Unlike in this thread he's flailing like a fucking monkey!


a) what game is this in? I haven't seen him act all that intelligent before (no offense Revneus)
b) How many games are you using as a sample size cause i am pretty sure i have seen this play from him as town

Scratch what I said. He's playing just as intelligently as he did in his town games (which is actually rather intelligent). I just didn't see it because of Hiraki bashing him and him flailing back when he was under pressure at the beginning of the game.
Here, I'll do it for you:
In post 357, Viomi wrote:
He's a completely different player there.
He's intelligent, lays stuff out.
... Unlike in this thread he's flailing like a fucking monkey!



No i meant more he wasn't more intelligent in other games so i was wondering how he appeared so much more intelligent.

Because you obviously don't know what chainsaw means, I'm inclined to believe you're just ignorant and are probably mislynch bait.

Again, I really think we should lynch director.

In post 421, Revenus wrote:Also, what the fuck is this

And here I thought I'd be replacing into a scum slot. Oh, well.

how old are you?



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Post Post #486 (isolation #34) » Sat Feb 02, 2013 9:12 pm

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In post 481, Viomi wrote:@Jason and EPM: Yeah, when Jason was talking about the whole what chainsaw defense was I was very confused because that's not what I remember it being.

I thought chainsaw defense was just when somebody was hardcore defending somebody.

Chainsaw defense is attacking someone for attacking your scumbuddy (under the guise of a legitimate attack, of course).
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Post Post #488 (isolation #35) » Sat Feb 02, 2013 9:16 pm

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We're not lynching you, vote director, that's who we're lynching.
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Post Post #489 (isolation #36) » Sat Feb 02, 2013 9:16 pm

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we're definitely not lynching WTSnacks. Nobody cares about him enough.
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Post Post #494 (isolation #37) » Sat Feb 02, 2013 9:55 pm

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In post 493, Viomi wrote:
In post 489, evilpacman18 wrote:we're definitely not lynching WTSnacks. Nobody cares about him enough.

He's lurked through literally the whole game.

I'm not voting based on who we CAN lynch, I'm basing my votes on who I think is scummy.

And yes, I do think director is rather scummy, but cmon, WTSnacks has been gone
the entire game.

WHICH IS EXACTLY WHY WE CAN'T LYNCH HIM
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Post Post #495 (isolation #38) » Sat Feb 02, 2013 9:59 pm

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You go for scum D1, not unreadable, worthless slot vig/SK bait

btw speaking of an SK, 4 scum is a lot and it seems to be the general consensus if we're assuming two teams. I'd wager that it's more likely a werewolf is on a team by himself and can't be NK'd by mafia. Or vice versa, the pluralization of 'werewolf' in the title kinda throws that off.
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Post Post #503 (isolation #39) » Sun Feb 03, 2013 7:24 am

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Not in favor but I'll vote him if it comes down to it at deadline.
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Post Post #504 (isolation #40) » Sun Feb 03, 2013 7:28 am

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In post 496, Viomi wrote:Why would he lurk unless he's scum.

He's a hydra for god's sake, there's no way the lurking isn't on purpose.

This is a stupid opinion, lurking is null for the most part. For instance, I'm more likely to lurk as town because some games just start to bore me or I never get into them. As scum I'm always keeping up though because I feel a greater urge to win and my team relies on me more since there's less of us.
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Post Post #508 (isolation #41) » Sun Feb 03, 2013 2:42 pm

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But seriously though we need to pick something to agree on.
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Post Post #517 (isolation #42) » Sun Feb 03, 2013 6:39 pm

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vote: Navarre
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Post Post #532 (isolation #43) » Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:33 am

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Next people that aren't voting Navarre to post better change that. This day needs to end.
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Post Post #535 (isolation #44) » Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:14 am

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I'm not worried about deadline at all. This game just isn't gonna get anywhere until we see a flip and I'm getting tired of waiting.
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Post Post #552 (isolation #45) » Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:28 pm

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In post 539, Aj The Epic wrote:Director will hammer anyways... I still am rather concerned here, this was a really hard and fast wagon, and rarely do these work well for town.

You're right. Town flip won't surprise me but it has to be someone
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Post Post #562 (isolation #46) » Mon Feb 04, 2013 4:18 pm

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I refuse to be given away to your pagan god.
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Post Post #597 (isolation #47) » Tue Feb 05, 2013 7:59 am

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YOLO is town, I almost did the same hammer on Hiraki cuz I was ready for the day to end back then, it's a bold move because ignorant people will jump on that being scummy but no scum is gonna do a baseless quickhammer unless it ends the game.
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Post Post #598 (isolation #48) » Tue Feb 05, 2013 8:00 am

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In post 593, Viomi wrote:Tomorrow.

Taking this night phase to make quite a few cases which I'll either release one by one or all at the same time.

You seem fairly certain you won't die tonight.
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Post Post #620 (isolation #49) » Fri Feb 08, 2013 5:50 am

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I don't feel like lynching the director any less.
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Post Post #621 (isolation #50) » Fri Feb 08, 2013 5:51 am

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But I like 617 so I could go for Maenara.
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Post Post #632 (isolation #51) » Fri Feb 08, 2013 8:36 pm

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In post 623, Viomi wrote:
In post 621, evilpacman18 wrote:But I like 617 so I could go for Maenara.

Vote plz <3

Will you help me kill the director afterwards?
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Post Post #641 (isolation #52) » Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:49 am

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vote: Maenara
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Post Post #643 (isolation #53) » Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:43 am

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I am asking for your lynch, yes.
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Post Post #645 (isolation #54) » Sat Feb 09, 2013 12:36 pm

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Means to an end.
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Post Post #646 (isolation #55) » Sat Feb 09, 2013 12:36 pm

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What's the case on Josh though? I've kinda just been ignoring him.
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Post Post #654 (isolation #56) » Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:54 pm

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unvote

If your case is "is a lurker" I want no part in that.
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Post Post #655 (isolation #57) » Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:23 pm

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Why don't we pick someone we can all agree on like Revenus
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Post Post #656 (isolation #58) » Mon Feb 11, 2013 5:24 am

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Aftern scanning Hiraki's iso, I've determined that his most likely partners are Viomi, the director, or WT Snacks
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Post Post #660 (isolation #59) » Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:14 am

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Dammit I've been getting town vibes from director all today -_- Need to re-evaluate.
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Post Post #672 (isolation #60) » Tue Feb 12, 2013 8:25 am

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In post 668, JasonWazza wrote:
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How does 3 pages of town reading stuff get rid of the entire scum fest that is Director?

Didn't say that, I would still lynch him instantly but the fact that he's slowly looking better and better to me is disturbing
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Post Post #680 (isolation #61) » Tue Feb 12, 2013 3:21 pm

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director is scum.
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Post Post #843 (isolation #62) » Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:28 am

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GG everyone. Well-played Jason and YOLO.
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