Mini 1625: Redemption (Game Over)

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istott pressure votes are bad and you should feel bad.

Anyway VOTE: WompingWillow

What a nice ISO of nothing but votes.

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VOTE: Flames682

OMGUS

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Already setting up the terrible player defence for all the mislynches she's going to be on.

Am I missing something in her post cause I didn't see it.

Vanilla Town, I don't expect more than 3/10 town are vin, though, it may be higher

How did you come up with this number?

WhompingWillow: IGMEOY for supposedly joining the "joke" bandwagon way after it was funny.

GGG wasn't a wagon ever.

I hate lurkers. They ruin games, and I think it's a horrible playstyle for anyone that does it on purpose. Real life things happen, but if I can log into my phone and post while still working 60+ hours a week, so can everyone else. I also think lurking is alignment-indicative, since 99% of every game seems to have at least one scum that lurks and survives til the end game due to that. Just saying. Lurkers suck.

Lurking is not alignment indicative imo.

Not sure what to think of the droog freakout yet but I'll keep it in mind later in the game.

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Not really I got home and took a nap then I posted. Whether or not you voted me wouldn't have mattered.

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If there are 3 or 4 mislynches then town should feel bad anyway. It's a group effort for a lynch.

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AWA you should know that Jesters are not considered normal.Pedit. Isn't that a non normal role?

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oops fail

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AWA you should know that Jesters are not considered normal.

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Crazy I notice you are voting for him because you want him lynched rather than you believe him to be scum. Do you and really anyone on the wagon feel he is actually scummy?

Um, if you want someone to be lynched, you think they're scum.

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Are you really going to look into one word I say "anyway."

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88 by Flames is bad aswell, but not as bad as I remember, "pressure votes are bad", feels like a sketchy deflection and chest puffing to get the vote off himself, if he'd said something along the lines, "your votes aren't pressure votes because you've declared you'll remove them when the person posts" I'd find it more believable, but there's no questioning or attempt to analyse it, just "lol pressure don't work on me". The "Anyway" look forced, like he's trying hard to sound casual and relaxed, and the sucks, none of the annoyed town vibes from other player's, just picking an easy target. Having typed that out, it is actully as bad as I remember. Follows it with an immediate attempt to discredit, and 94 does absolutely nothing, says nothing, stands for nothing, just a post for a post's sake.

1. Pressure votes are bad, especially if they're just voting someone who hasn't posted. It's not more likely to make them post.

2. If you're going to analyze one word of everyone's posts the whole game, don't.

3. You're right about post 94, it was absolutely blank.

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135 This isn't true, and I feel like Flames 7141235892346 should know this

Unless it's a PL, then it's true.

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135 This isn't true, and I feel like Flames 7141235892346 should know this

Unless it's a PL, then it's true.

So it isn't true. This is like saying "All apples are green" then when someone points out that's false, saying "well unless they're red, then it's true".

That's a shitty analogy I didn't understand.

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88 by Flames is bad aswell, but not as bad as I remember, "pressure votes are bad", feels like a sketchy deflection and chest puffing to get the vote off himself, if he'd said something along the lines, "your votes aren't pressure votes because you've declared you'll remove them when the person posts" I'd find it more believable, but there's no questioning or attempt to analyse it, just "lol pressure don't work on me". The "Anyway" look forced, like he's trying hard to sound casual and relaxed, and the sucks, none of the annoyed town vibes from other player's, just picking an easy target. Having typed that out, it is actully as bad as I remember. Follows it with an immediate attempt to discredit, and 94 does absolutely nothing, says nothing, stands for nothing, just a post for a post's sake.

1. Pressure votes are bad, especially if they're just voting someone who hasn't posted. It's not more likely to make them post.

2. If you're going to analyze one word of everyone's posts the whole game, don't.

3. You're right about post 94, it was absolutely blank.

1. So why not talk about the part where it's on those who haven't posted? That's the relevant part.

2. Do I show any signs of doing this? I analysed one word of one of your posts, if you're scum you have to think about how every post you write comes accross, if a word looks forced or uncharacteristic, it's scummy.

3. It had words, those words just didn't achieve anything, and didn't look like they were trying to achieve anything.

1. Because istott's votes were pressure votes on people who didn't post, and I assumed that he would know that I was talking about that. I don't have to spell everything out in my posts.

2. The word "anyway" was overanalyzed, and if you do it in one post, then it's likely you'll do it somewhere else.

3. It was me reading the thread and posting some notes while reading.

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I don't think he's town or scum yet. And according to you I had nothing relevant, so I guess not.

PS. It was an over-analyzation.

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Crazy I notice you are voting for him because you want him lynched rather than you believe him to be scum. Do you and really anyone on the wagon feel he is actually scummy?

Um, if you want someone to be lynched, you think they're scum.

This should be the case but lots of time people will vote and lynch someone because they are anti-town rather than because they are scummy. The whomp wagon is an example of this hence the question to crazy of why did he want him lynched?

Posting nothing but votes is quite scummy imo.

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policy lynch

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Mod never provides setup info.

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I fee that istott is just asking that question to seem town and should know that mod does not provided setup info.

And to spell it out for you WW, I'm leaning scum on istott.

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EBWOP:

*feel

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Explanation or just sheeping?

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Pretty sure istott knew that was a fake dayvig, because I knew it was before I even scrolled down.

VOTE: istott

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Also riddle that was an obvious faked dayvig, especially you asking if he was scum gave it away even more.

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Do you know what join date is?

His setup question was bs.

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Yes, but you have other active games.

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I don't know enough about RL mafia to gauge whether isott should have picked up on that highly blatant fakevig. But Riddleton capitulated on that read far too easily for my liking and Flames is being too hardline with it, Riddleton doing that and declaring istott town seems pointless as scum though, and he atleast did something to try and develop a read, which Flames349 has yet to do.

No, shut the fuck up.

And to spell it out for you WW, I'm leaning scum on istott.

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Istott's reaction is town like I said, he sounded genuinly annoyed that he couldn't play on. I see no need to draw out the reaction test when his reaction clearly indicated to me he was town.

Because it was so obvious that it was FAKED, so he acted town.

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Im not sure why you didn't string it ong more

Why would I?

Why IStOt
Why this early in the game. This type of gambit only works once. And would work much better later once there is suspicion built up.

I was suspicious of him at the time. If he was scum faking the newbie persona, then there would be signs that he's familiar with other stuff on the site (e.g. knowledge that dayvigs are faked). See here.

I disagree to your thoughts regarding the gambit itself. It's best in the early game to get conversations and questions going (which you all are doing so far with me).

It was a terrible reaction test that never works ever.

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Are you dumb Womping

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No I just put it there for the hell of it of course Womping.

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Does anyone else not get it because I'm thinking Womping is really stupid if he doesn't know what it signifies.

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I already did in the straightforward quote I posted.

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Now respond to that instead of asking the most obvious questions in the world.

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Now respond to that instead of asking the most obvious questions in the world to try and make me look scummier*

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Womping I'm not the guy who posts walls of text or states everything I think.

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EBWOP:

Type of guy*

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You know the answer already.

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Stop asking shitty and obvious questions

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I already said that...?

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droog I have no idea what you just said

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temper tantrums

are you a dad or something

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Trees don't talk.

And yes right now I do have a scumread on istott still

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From his

1) Setup question
2) Reaction to obv faked dayvig
3) Response to my accusations

Happy now?

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You can't say it's not an OMGUS if you have no explanation

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That's true, but none of them have had situations including day talk speculation.

It doesn't have to be day talk speculation it could just be setup talk in general for istott to know that mod doesn't answer questions like these but istott decides to focus just on day talk questions.

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Missed that, but it's pretty obvious that day talk in setup information because of encryptor

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I am rude, thank you.

Rude is not anti-town.

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You generalise a lot, often erroneously:
Post 88
Post 135
Post 268


You deflect:
Post 138
Post 299

And on a side note, you're rude (not scum behaviour, but still anti town.) these quotes will be in my next post.

Post 88 was pretty accurate.
Post 135 had one exception.
Post 268 isn't my post.

Post 138 I have no idea what you're saying
Post 299 was making a joke, that's scummy how?

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No, anti-town is the wrong word. I'd say it's unhelpful and unneeded.

So, scummy because of that? No.

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Both were you responding to posts but with no actual content response and evading the actual meat of what you were responding to

Wow, kind of like your useless votes.

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That "one exception" invalidated the entire statement

Bullshit

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It wasn't

It was.

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If there's an exception to something you say is always true then it's invalidated, I bring you back to my green apples analogy

So you're saying that PLs are the most common and scum lynches are not with that analogy.

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Burden of proof is on you. Why should a player not use their vote to pressure someone?

Because it doesn't work.

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that a player shouldn't bother voting because it's unlikely to make scum spontaneously combust

Thank you for bending my words.

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No, you miss the point. Ignore the apples and just consider the first clause if the analogy confuses you.

The exception is rare and was not relevant to the topic.

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269 was also true isottttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt

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Never be suspicious of my aggression or get a read from it, ever, in any of my games.

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Apparently snipping is immature.

These "basic things" are getting us nowhere at all.

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You haven't even explained how I'm deflecting.

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Thanks for answering my question isottttt

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Nice deflection

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Your gut sucks

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It was directly and explicitly relevant since you were responding to GGG raising the topic. It's hard to believe you're not just lying at this point

Policy lynch was not relevant to the topic.

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How is saying "I'm town" a lot scummy?

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If you're town though you don't just keep saying I'm town over and over again

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I think you are misrepresenting me here.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing
I arranged your activity into a line graph, and added a pie chart for pre- and Post- Vote.

So you basically proved that he was more active before the vote.

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tl;dr please

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Flames682 - Funny guy that stirs up trouble but he is rude and while that isn't scumlike its not good ether
6/10 on the suspicious level

So you say I'm rude and it's not scummy but I'm still 6/10 for reasons unexplained...

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yeah starting at 5/10 (netiher town nor scummy) makes sense to me... why do you think it won't be normal

Because when people read that they think that everyone is scummy according to Munkir until they read the post about everyone starting at 5/10. Not town or scummy, just dumb.

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Also what's the case on OC?

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yeah starting at 5/10 (netiher town nor scummy) makes sense to me... why do you think it won't be normal

Because when people read that they think that everyone is scummy according to Munkir until they read the post about everyone starting at 5/10. Not town or scummy, just dumb.

What would you start at?

Zero. It doesn't matter anyway, I thought it was just dumb. Keeping on this topic is pointless.

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Problem with walls is it could be condensed into like 2 or 3 sentences.

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Btw AWA I'm also that way.

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pianist I did notice that he voted you not because of your reads list but because of the post before it.

Explanation flubber?

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This along with the dayvig thing puts him on the scum pile.

Care to explain?

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Can you stop using pronouns because no one knows what you're referring to.

Looking at OC's ISO I can see the scumread on him. He's just tunneling droog and Womping with crappy reasoning.

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Tomorrow I'll do some ISOs and make a read list if I'm not busy.

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This along with the dayvig thing puts him on the scum pile.

Care to explain?

I don't believe istots reaction is natural. But the fluff posting more than anything is why I am scum reading him.

And I'm an idiot because I thought you were referring to someone else instead of istott in that point.

I suspect Riddleton more than istott for his execution of the dayvig test.

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istott

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I'm also not seeing the droog/Womping buddying which is why I pointed out OC's crappy logic.

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Walls don't need to hurt my eyes to get the point across.

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Flames: Get stronger glasses, then. Reading a wall is no different than reading a book. You HAVE read a book, yes?

Except reading a book isn't boring.

More later today.

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Guys, let the mod take care of it, there's no need for this.

Also I was busy today so tomorrow I will have the reads list.

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It's clear that Flubber is just trying to add chaos and confusion to the game, and I don't particularly care about the reason. That kind of posting style, behavior, and language serves only to distract from the true goal of the game, which is to eliminate the scum. Creating distractions OF ANY KIND supports the scum. That is why I am in favor of removing Flubber from the game.

So basically you want a Policy Lynch is what you're saying here because of posting style. Not saying Flubber isn't scum because I think he is but your reasoning is flawed here.

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Been really busy with school so if I don't post my reads tomorrow someone remind me.

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Anti-town does not always equal scum.

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Well then you are acting anti-town by only wanting to lynch anti-town instead of looking deeper as to scum who could be manipulating that anti-town person.

That was terribly said but hopefully you got the point

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I believe I address this above, (and in fact in several posts since you originally posted this), but again I fail to see how my opinion that Flubber is antitown leads to me being scum. Please show me your train of thought here.

Because we've said that anti-town doesn't always equal scum

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Also I'm going to

UNVOTE:

for now.

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Scumreads right now are OC and Riddleton but I'll read ISO's tomorrow to get a read on everyone.

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No one is anti-town enough to PL

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@Mod replace me