Mini 1627: Ninja Mini Mafia

Boonskiies · Post Post #28 (isolation #0) » Sun Nov 23, 2014 9:46 am

I really don't know how I feel about there being 4 votes on Varsoon already.

VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee

I can finally actually vote you now, BBT!!! No claimed Mason Neighbor to hide behind!!! Haha.

Boonskiies · Post Post #30 (isolation #1) » Sun Nov 23, 2014 9:55 am

I like that vote ^, and if I hadn't wanted to RVS BBT, that's where my actual vote would have ended up.

Boonskiies · Post Post #32 (isolation #2) » Sun Nov 23, 2014 9:57 am

I don't think he actually cares too much. There's no way that wagon is going through.

Boonskiies · Post Post #34 (isolation #3) » Sun Nov 23, 2014 10:57 am

It's far too early in the game. We get no information on anyone else, and have a big possibility of a mislynch.

Boonskiies · Post Post #84 (isolation #4) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 4:34 pm

I like the midget vote much better than the Var.

unvote

Boonskiies · Post Post #127 (isolation #5) » Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:06 am

VOTE: Allyra

I didn't like how she came in, and just immediately started town reading the big wagons. That's a super easy way to feign town as scum, and I see it happen all the time.

Boonskiies · Post Post #130 (isolation #6) » Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:33 am

Okay.

Boonskiies · Post Post #131 (isolation #7) » Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:34 am

Varsoon had another vote on him earlier, which made him the biggest. We're on page 6, so you have no reason you should be so strong on a town read already.

Boonskiies · Post Post #134 (isolation #8) » Thu Nov 27, 2014 10:42 am

No, i don't disagree. Which is why I find it even more opportunistic of you. I've already stated in the thread i didn't like the votes on Varsoon.

Boonskiies · Post Post #136 (isolation #9) » Thu Nov 27, 2014 11:20 am

Opportunistic: exploiting chances offered by immediate circumstances without reference to a general plan or moral principle.

It's pretty obvious what it means. Xiao I don't see how you have any sort of read on. I don't agree with the Xiao one, and you are being far too strong with town reading varsoon.

Boonskiies · Post Post #166 (isolation #10) » Fri Nov 28, 2014 11:57 am

Eh, if I was scum with Thor and you voted him, I would have voted him as well. I'm a troll like that.

Boonskiies · Post Post #167 (isolation #11) » Fri Nov 28, 2014 11:58 am

But since that's not the case...congratulations, Thor. You earned yourself a town read from me.

Boonskiies · Post Post #170 (isolation #12) » Fri Nov 28, 2014 12:23 pm

Why wouldn't you be voting Thor as scum? I see that happen all the time. He's an easy to get a wagon on kind of guy.

Boonskiies · Post Post #172 (isolation #13) » Fri Nov 28, 2014 12:41 pm

Fair enough, I guess.

Boonskiies · Post Post #174 (isolation #14) » Fri Nov 28, 2014 12:55 pm

She's scum, Konowa.

Boonskiies · Post Post #219 (isolation #15) » Fri Nov 28, 2014 2:35 pm

Oh, how peachy. My only two scum reads are voting my only actual town read so far.

Boonskiies · Post Post #221 (isolation #16) » Fri Nov 28, 2014 2:35 pm

Rando is the reason I brought up me not wanting Varsoon lynched in the first place.

Boonskiies · Post Post #224 (isolation #17) » Fri Nov 28, 2014 2:38 pm

randomidget.

All, what would you do if I became somehow confirmed town? What would your reads look like?

Boonskiies · Post Post #225 (isolation #18) » Fri Nov 28, 2014 2:38 pm

Him voting Thor actually makes me less leaning scum on you.

Boonskiies · Post Post #229 (isolation #19) » Fri Nov 28, 2014 2:48 pm

It's page 10. None of us are certain on our reads. Unless, yuh know, you're scum.

Boonskiies · Post Post #247 (isolation #20) » Sat Nov 29, 2014 1:32 am

VOTE: Randomidget

That freakout seems legit. Inb4 Konowa/Allyra scum team...LOLOL.

Boonskiies · Post Post #252 (isolation #21) » Sat Nov 29, 2014 9:04 am

In post 63, gamsimbre wrote:

In post 30, Boonskiies wrote:I like that vote ^, and if I hadn't wanted to RVS BBT, that's where my actual vote would have ended up.

This irks me.
Why didn't you just vote him if you were already having doubts about random?

Because I wanted my damn RVS vote on BBT! Haha,

.

Also, I don't like joining new wagons so early in the game. If the lynch goes through, we don't get much information for the next day, and if I wait a little longer before cementing my read, I can put more pressure on along with my vote. I thought there was enough pressure being had basically.

Boonskiies · Post Post #254 (isolation #22) » Sat Nov 29, 2014 9:10 am

Right after Rando.

Boonskiies · Post Post #343 (isolation #23) » Sun Nov 30, 2014 2:00 pm

In post 316, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:i am also going to eat dinner now

for the people reading this conversation in the future

do not listen to thor when he tries to sell you that i went crying to my scum qt to try and figure out what to do

do not listen to him when he tries to say that i had to take a long time to try and dig myself out of whatever metaphorical life-hole his vote has put me into

do not listen because i am eating delicious delicious food and i will be back in 30 minutes

instead, vote thor

I agree with Thor when he brought this up. I also think this is a slip.

Boonskiies · Post Post #344 (isolation #24) » Sun Nov 30, 2014 2:01 pm

@Zebulin - Allyra got replaced, and depending on the replacement, I'll most likely be okay lynching her. Along with Rando/Orc.

Boonskiies · Post Post #347 (isolation #25) » Sun Nov 30, 2014 2:05 pm

Oh, you're allyra's replacement?

VOTE: Orcinus

More of an Allyra thing than you. Sorry you replaced into a scum slot. =/

Boonskiies · Post Post #359 (isolation #26) » Sun Nov 30, 2014 8:54 pm

In post 351, Zebulin wrote:

Page 10:

Boonskies is buddying Randomidget a little bit.
Allyra is being very defensive. Allyra just replaced.

...That is a huge post.

Allyra seems real now. I'm not sure scum would get that frustrated over Konowa poking her for information, and Konowa wasn't particularly mean about it at all. Everything that Allyra just said sounds like the truth. Thor's follow-up post doesn't do him any favors either. Why the unexplained vote on Randomidget? That's the second time someone changed their read on Randomidget without any context for it.

Explain how I'm buddying him, please. He's my 2nd biggest scum read, and I've been vocal about that. If Allyra slot didn't come into play (or if I didn't lean scum on the replacement into the slot) my vote would be on Rando. I'm going to assume you meant to put a different name there.

Boonskiies · Post Post #389 (isolation #27) » Mon Dec 01, 2014 6:46 am

Eh. =/

VOTE: Thor

Hammer.

Boonskiies · Post Post #390 (isolation #28) » Mon Dec 01, 2014 6:47 am

I never trust my day 1 reads anyways. I'm horrible early game.

Boonskiies · Post Post #393 (isolation #29) » Mon Dec 01, 2014 6:49 am

Doesn't stop you from doing it now.

Boonskiies · Post Post #421 (isolation #30) » Mon Dec 01, 2014 8:39 am

So as soon as I decide to hammer Thor, everyone thinks he's town? Funny. As scum, do you think I'd actually hammer and draw attention to myself, especially if he actually flipped town? It's not out of character for me to troll hammer. Check my past games. I troll hammer all the time. Usually as town. I don't think I've ever hammered as scum, come to think of it.

Boonskiies · Post Post #425 (isolation #31) » Mon Dec 01, 2014 8:43 am

I was actually null on Thor, tbh. I semi act like I was super on his side, but that's basically just to see how he'd react. My day 1's are horrible, but once I get around day 3 I really start to shine. If Thor flips scum, my reads are entirely different. You guys may see it as a troll hammer, and I'm okay with people thinking that. If I actually had a town read on him, I wouldn't have hammered. Simple as that.

Boonskiies · Post Post #428 (isolation #32) » Mon Dec 01, 2014 8:46 am

Stop being ignorant. Just because you didn't like that I hammered, doesn't mean I'm trolling. I know what the fuck I'm doing. I can't read Thor, and you guys put him at L-1, meaning you completely expect him to be scum and want him lynched. I did it for you. Deal with the fucking consequences.

Seemingly troll hammer.

Boonskiies · Post Post #429 (isolation #33) » Mon Dec 01, 2014 8:47 am

You guys overreacting because you have extra knowledge? Like you know he's town because you're scum? See? I didn't know that. I'm town. I think he could be scum.

Boonskiies · Post Post #431 (isolation #34) » Mon Dec 01, 2014 8:48 am

Ever think I might have a fucking role that causes me to auto hammer?

Don't put him to L-1 if you don't want someone to hammer.

Boonskiies · Post Post #560 (isolation #35) » Thu Dec 04, 2014 6:59 am

In post 550, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 546, acryon wrote:
I don't agree with there being no way he did that, and I'd rather leave it where it is until we can actually hear something else from Boon.

Scum motivation for doing it?

I mean, if Boon is scum, he is pretty bad. Like, the 'town-cred' he gets for hammering scum does not outweigh the advantages to having a 3-man scum-team alive with Thor in it IMO.

It just seems an awful move for scum to make.

PEdit - Who is scum on the Thor wagon Varsoon?

@BBT - You've seen my scum play. I'm not a bad scum player. Haha.

____

I'll explain my hammer now. I am

HORRIBLE

day 1. I can't read people for crap. By the end of the game, my scum reads and town reads completely flip, and Thor is someone who I always initially read as town for the sole fact everyone else is going against him. I figured I'd expect what I would be thinking later in the game, because come around day 3 I become a major

boon

to this game, and will probably be a front runner in pushing the scum to a lynch. He was GOON. We got a successful lynch. Come on...

Boonskiies · Post Post #563 (isolation #36) » Thu Dec 04, 2014 7:04 am

When playing with Thor, I always assume he's town, even when he's not. Everyone always goes after him, and I usually auto town read people for being targeted like that.

Boonskiies · Post Post #564 (isolation #37) » Thu Dec 04, 2014 7:07 am

In post 561, Varsoon wrote:There's pretty much no amalgamation when one of Gamsimbre and Goblin is not scum.
I can't figure the TWO of them to be town.
I'd throw Boon in that pile, but that's unnecessary.

If I was scum, you wouldn't be tunneling me so hard this early in the game.

Usually

, when I'm town and people are pushing for my lynch hard is who usually ends up being scum. I seem like such an easy mislynch. Also, if I was scum, I would be crumbing a PR, which if you look at my ISO, I have not been at all.

Boonskiies · Post Post #566 (isolation #38) » Thu Dec 04, 2014 7:08 am

When I see it happen, and he's town quite often, I try and push to find things out. It's not a problem, as I don't necessarily hold myself to it. I wouldn't have voted him if I was positive he was town.

Boonskiies · Post Post #570 (isolation #39) » Thu Dec 04, 2014 7:10 am

Eh, self-meta is a thing. Can be manipulated, but I almost always fake claim as scum. Meta's there for a reason.

Boonskiies · Post Post #571 (isolation #40) » Thu Dec 04, 2014 7:11 am

I'm gonna bring up the NK. My scum reads of yesterDay were Orc and Rando. Why would I kill Rando?!? WHY WOULD I KILL SUCH AN EASY MISLYNCH? I'm not stupid with my Night Kills.

Boonskiies · Post Post #579 (isolation #41) » Thu Dec 04, 2014 7:15 am

I thought Rando would be an easy mislynch, and my play has definitely showed that I thought he was super scummy. If he hadn't died, I would be pushing for him hard toDay. Orc, my other scum read of yesterDay, I can't see being partners with Thor. Only thing that could possibly have happened was Thor pushed Allyra too hard as her partner, and she got so mad she replaced out. Although, Allyra did start that thing, so I'm iffy. Eh, I'm going to say that isn't what happened and start town reading Orc. Less work to be done on my part.

Boonskiies · Post Post #594 (isolation #42) » Thu Dec 04, 2014 7:38 am

Well, boys. Just thought I'd look at some random games I've had, and searched my ISO's on them. All these links have me being scum read for "troll hammering", and I was put in a similar position as this one. Funny thing is, all of these, I was town. Some even PR. Although, when I 'troll hammer', I'm not actually troll hammering. Sure, I make it look like I am, but that's fun. I have my reasons for voting and going through with the hammer.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p6017243

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p6087301

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p6099332

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p6180572 (Here I didn't actually hammer, but I thought I did.)

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p6126592 (This one brings up me saying how I will hammer if put to L-1 and make it HAMMA TIME!!!!!)

Boonskiies · Post Post #596 (isolation #43) » Thu Dec 04, 2014 7:39 am

I'm not going to defend myself. I have nothing to say that I can defend myself with. This is a policy lynch.

Boonskiies · Post Post #598 (isolation #44) » Thu Dec 04, 2014 7:40 am

In post 595, acryon wrote:
In post 589, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I'm serious.

The speed of this wagon in addition to the little resistance against it makes me think even more that Boon is town.

This is again a situation where I'm not sure scum have had an opportunity to possibly defend him. Considering three votes have come in the last hour. I won't argue with the speed being incredibly fast, but I'm hesitant to register the lack of resistance as town just yet.

That's not necessarily true. There's probably only two scum left, so it's very possible both are on my wagon.

Boonskiies · Post Post #600 (isolation #45) » Thu Dec 04, 2014 7:41 am

Acryon, ignorant again. They aren't actually troll hammers. read the damn thread. god.

Boonskiies · Post Post #605 (isolation #46) » Thu Dec 04, 2014 7:43 am

After I'm lynched, you guys should follow BBT. He somehow always manages to figure things out, and people don't listen to him. LISTEN TO BBT. I don't care if you lynch me. If you need to get me out of the way, then fine. Just listen to BBT after toDay.

VOTE: Acryon

And this guy is just sheeping and sprouting obvious fluff, and is policy lynching, not scum reading me.

Boonskiies · Post Post #609 (isolation #47) » Thu Dec 04, 2014 7:44 am

In post 597, acryon wrote:
In post 594, Boonskiies wrote:Well, boys. Just thought I'd look at some random games I've had, and searched my ISO's on them. All these links have me being scum read for "troll hammering", and I was put in a similar position as this one. Funny thing is, all of these, I was town. Some even PR. Although, when I 'troll hammer', I'm not actually troll hammering. Sure, I make it look like I am, but that's fun. I have my reasons for voting and going through with the hammer.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p6017243

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p6087301

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p6099332

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p6180572 (Here I didn't actually hammer, but I thought I did.)

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p6126592 (This one brings up me saying how I will hammer if put to L-1 and make it HAMMA TIME!!!!!)

1) I want to let you know that, regardless of your reasons, the "troll hammers" are
bad for town
. So you can keep doing them and keep getting suspected as town, which is bad for town in every way, or you can think about adjusting your play going forward. Your choice of course.

2) You are being voted on for your troll-hammer.

This guy 100% knows I'm town. He is totally just sliding along on the wagon.

Boonskiies · Post Post #613 (isolation #48) » Thu Dec 04, 2014 7:47 am

This is exactly why I like this. I figure things out. People might only be able to read it afterwards, but once they do, my flip will help. Lynch Acryon after I flip town.

PEdit:

And now he's WKing BBT. Great. It was obvious my wagon was going to start. 2nd means nothing here.

Boonskiies · Post Post #615 (isolation #49) » Thu Dec 04, 2014 7:50 am

Well, I think at least one scum is on my wagon. I think it's him.

Boonskiies · Post Post #616 (isolation #50) » Thu Dec 04, 2014 7:51 am

It would be an OMGUS seeming vote no matter who I voted that was on my wagon.

Boonskiies · Post Post #622 (isolation #51) » Thu Dec 04, 2014 7:58 am

Xiao Long - null
Varsoon - town. I like how he's playing, even if I did feel a little tunneled.
Goblin - he's just hot headed townie.
Drake Crusader - null
Konowa - This could be the 3rd scum. I felt a little buddy-buddy with him and Thor; didn't scum read until Thor flipped goon.
Boonskiies - super town.
Zebulin - I think he's town. He hasn't been posting much, and I agree that I looked easily scummy, and for him to go on me was a super town move.
acryon - scum. He isn't voting me because he thinks I'm scum. I don't see a possibility where he is town. I get why town would vote me, but this isn't coming from a town perspective.
orcinus_theoriginal - town for now, but the explanation I said earlier could come back up.
BlueBloodedToffee - super town. listen to this guy.
gamsimbre - null

Boonskiies · Post Post #626 (isolation #52) » Thu Dec 04, 2014 8:00 am

Can someone unvote me so I can return to this in a few hours? We don't need to end the day yet. I'd like to still participate for a little bit longer of this day.

You need to see it from my perspective, BBT. I don't see a possibility where Acryon is town.

Boonskiies · Post Post #630 (isolation #53) » Thu Dec 04, 2014 8:02 am

I really hate that I'm town reading Orc.

Boonskiies · Post Post #636 (isolation #54) » Thu Dec 04, 2014 8:06 am

In post 631, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:@Boon - Look at his D1 progression surrounding the Thor vs Allyra discussion. It reads insanely genuine and shows he is not afraid to re-evaluate his reads.

He was defending Thor. It would have been easy for him to continue doing so as scum.

It was day 1. Remember Anatole Kuragin in Dr Pepper when the wagons were You vs Me? He was my scum partner there too.

@Acyron - Konowa was my only leaning scum read.

@Orc - yeah, and now his whole perspective on voting me is basically a Policy Lynch.

VOTE: Konowa

Boonskiies · Post Post #637 (isolation #55) » Thu Dec 04, 2014 8:06 am

ninja'd

Boonskiies · Post Post #741 (isolation #56) » Fri Dec 05, 2014 8:14 am

Konowa be scum. BBT be town. Yoooo....

Boonskiies · Post Post #743 (isolation #57) » Fri Dec 05, 2014 8:18 am

BBT told me to switch to Konowa. Konowa was my other scum read.

Boonskiies · Post Post #779 (isolation #58) » Sat Dec 06, 2014 9:19 am

uhm....scum replacing out? or just doesn't want to deal with defending himself?

Boonskiies · Post Post #865 (isolation #59) » Sun Dec 07, 2014 2:08 pm

In post 835, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:is bbt actually a good player?

Yes. He doesn't seem like it, but he knows what he's doing. When he's scum, I've played a game where he was scum, and he WIFOM's all over the place, and doesn't do much to scum hunt.

@Formerfish - The game you modded was my first game on the site, and you haven't played with me for a long time. I've changed quite a bit. Also, I read your reads list, I just don't see it necessary to respond to.

Boonskiies · Post Post #866 (isolation #60) » Sun Dec 07, 2014 2:10 pm

In post 864, Formerfish wrote:I don't think I'm on any wagon. And the more I think about it the more I want Boon to swing. That hammer was just megabad, like Sharknado without the campy goodness.
Every game I've seen Boon play he has this loveable idiot act going on and he eventually says something along the lines of, "Well if I were scum, do you really think I'd do that?" and "Well if you guys lynch me then look at the people pushing me as scum, cause that's where the scum really is!"
I just can't let this go on. Call it a policy lynch if you must, but if it walks like a scumbag, talks like a scumbag and plays like a scumbag, there's a good chance they are a scumbag.

Vote Boon

In post 571, Boonskiies wrote:I'm gonna bring up the NK. My scum reads of yesterDay were Orc and Rando. Why would I kill Rando?!? WHY WOULD I KILL SUCH AN EASY MISLYNCH? I'm not stupid with my Night Kills.

Boonskiies · Post Post #871 (isolation #61) » Sun Dec 07, 2014 2:21 pm

In post 800, Formerfish wrote:

Boonskiies- its post #84 and I see a level headed player with sane play, what have you done with the Boonskiies I know and slightly dislike? In #127 you vote Allyra for town reading Varsoon and Thor, which of those shouldn’t have been a town read and why didn’t you have your vote on them at that point. I have a big issue with this statement : “We're on page 6, so you have no reason you should be so strong on a town read already.” I have people I can read in one post, your idea that in 6 pages a town read can’t be attained is asinine. #134 is pretty bad as well, you are finding All scummy for townreading people that you are also townreading. In #166 you claim to be a troll, which you normally are, when you are town. I don’t see you as town here. #229 is an attempt to blatantly discredit Alls read. Reason for Rando vote is #247 was…? #389, god I wish people knew how much of a shit you were to not put anyone near l-1 without you already on the wagon. You really should be lynched for this alone. And yes I do realize that you hammered on scum, but you failed to give him time to make a claim which if you remember from earlier is pretty fucking important. It could also be seen as trying to end the day early so that your scumbuddy doesn’t have the opportunity to do/say anything that could hurt the endgame.
In post 421, Boonskiies wrote:I troll hammer all the time. Usually as town. I don't think I've ever hammered as scum, come to think of it.
This is danger close to being a trust tell (I think). I saw you do this in the game I modded, and you were town, but I would have killed the shit out of you if I had been playing. “Ever think I might have a fucking role that causes me to auto hammer?” We are playing a mini normal game. You show me one fucking instance where there is a compulsive hammer role in a normal game and my vote doesn’t go on you when I am done with my read through. Your #626 is hella funny. “hey guyz, can some1 unvt pleaz, I don’t wnt some1 to lolhammer me while I’m doing my chores. Parents!” You didn’t care enough d1 to let Thor participate before his lynch and we could have gotten something good from him. A reads list, a claim, misinformation, fucking anything. “uhm....scum replacing out? or just doesn't want to deal with defending himself?” What pressure was he escaping?

I was just trying to create discussion. It was early game. My reads are weak at that point. I can never read someone for sure by page 6. I don't think it necessarily works like that. I know I can imitate easy town posts as scum, much townier sounding posts than my actual town play. It's not enough time/posts to truly be able to so strongly read someone by page 6 bar a scum slip, and I stand by that point.

Before Allyra, my main scum read was Rando. You even mentioned post #84 where I said I liked the Rando vote. I just finally decided to actually go ahead and vote.

I hammered because I began to realize that me town reading Thor was solely based on the fact that I didn't like how Allyra came in all over Thor. I reread the thread, initially lost my reads on both of them, and came to the realization one of them had to be scum, and I couldn't tell which one would be scummier than the other. I hate Day 1's. I chose to end it. I don't regret that decision. I wasn't surprised when he flipped scum either, and now I have a strong town read on Orc.

My lynch would have given no information at all. It was basically a policy lynch, unlike Thor's lynch. Thor's lynch gave me a town read. My lynch would do absolutely nothing, and I still had input to give in this game.

My post about Goblin replacing out was a cheap way for me to avoid a prod.

Boonskiies · Post Post #873 (isolation #62) » Sun Dec 07, 2014 2:24 pm

In post 868, Varsoon wrote:

BBT, I'm starting to wonder if you throwing flame like in the bolded is you just being incapable of reading the game or you literally being this bad at playing scum.

BBT is a much stronger town player than scum player, so that is a possibility, I just can't actually tell quite yet. (When he's town it actually takes some time to realize he knows what he's saying.)

I had a game where he was a confirmed mason, and I still thought he was scum...I was scum that game. So yeah, he knows what he's saying as town, even if he comes off as incompetent.

Boonskiies · Post Post #875 (isolation #63) » Sun Dec 07, 2014 2:26 pm

In post 872, Varsoon wrote:I think your lynch would give a'plenty of info.
Mostly--"Was that dude scum?"

I don't believe that's a lot of information really. Sure, you don't have to question my alignment anymore. Big whoop. Wait a day or two, and you won't have to question it either. Believe it or not, I actually can become a pretty strong town player mid-late game.

Boonskiies · Post Post #876 (isolation #64) » Sun Dec 07, 2014 2:27 pm

In post 594, Boonskiies wrote:Well, boys. Just thought I'd look at some random games I've had, and searched my ISO's on them. All these links have me being scum read for "troll hammering", and I was put in a similar position as this one. Funny thing is, all of these, I was town. Some even PR. Although, when I 'troll hammer', I'm not actually troll hammering. Sure, I make it look like I am, but that's fun. I have my reasons for voting and going through with the hammer.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p6017243

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p6087301

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p6099332

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p6180572 (Here I didn't actually hammer, but I thought I did.)

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p6126592 (This one brings up me saying how I will hammer if put to L-1 and make it HAMMA TIME!!!!!)

Nothing new, Former. It keeps me from getting NK'd.

Boonskiies · Post Post #880 (isolation #65) » Sun Dec 07, 2014 2:32 pm

In post 878, Formerfish wrote:And it also helps you hide as a wolf in sheep's clothing when you draw scum.

Guys we need to beat the stupid out of this one, and quickly. Boon, from now on you are first on my kill list any game we play.

Not the first time. My scum partner even tried to do that for me in one of my last scum games. I ended up being the sole surviving scum, and won the game. I'm a lot harder to lynch than you'd expect, but I like having that easy mislynch vibe. It helps me scum hunt. Scum usually push me pretty hard. Now we wait to see if you slip up.

Boonskiies · Post Post #881 (isolation #66) » Sun Dec 07, 2014 2:34 pm

In post 879, Varsoon wrote:I might not get to wait several days if you're scum and I don't lynch you, though.
:/

If I was scum, I'd be killing Zebulin toNight. Either way, you're fine!

Boonskiies · Post Post #883 (isolation #67) » Sun Dec 07, 2014 2:38 pm

I always do totally random/make people question their town reads kills as scum. Anyways, I'm getting kind of irritated and done with this game, especially because I'm not important at all in this game, so Imma join the wagon.

VOTE: Boonskiies

Boonskiies · Post Post #884 (isolation #68) » Sun Dec 07, 2014 2:38 pm

I think i hammered.

Boonskiies · Post Post #886 (isolation #69) » Sun Dec 07, 2014 2:39 pm

Nah, I'm L-1 now.

Boonskiies · Post Post #887 (isolation #70) » Sun Dec 07, 2014 2:40 pm

I'll play it. and I'll try to win too. But you guys think I'm scum, and you think my lynch is going to give information. If I'm still alive, I'll probably change your reads, and actually hurt town. I'm helping us win by doing this. You have bad tunnel vision.

Boonskiies · Post Post #888 (isolation #71) » Sun Dec 07, 2014 2:42 pm

If you want to go back to Konowa, I will join you. Other than that, I've been questioning if your 'tunnel vision' is actually tunnel vision, or just you being opportunistic.

Boonskiies · Post Post #889 (isolation #72) » Sun Dec 07, 2014 2:43 pm

My lynch will free up Acryon/Formerfish, and will make BBT less crazy. I am helping town. Besides the acryon possibly being scum, of course. but I can see his take from a town perspective as well. I appreciated his unvote.

Boonskiies · Post Post #891 (isolation #73) » Sun Dec 07, 2014 2:45 pm

It does help. You guys have strong tunnel vision on me, and it's affecting your ability to legitimately read people.

Boonskiies · Post Post #892 (isolation #74) » Sun Dec 07, 2014 2:46 pm

Formerfish having the strongest of tunnel vision.

Boonskiies · Post Post #899 (isolation #75) » Sun Dec 07, 2014 2:52 pm

It's because I post when I have nothing really to say. I know how to successfully play this game. I just can't read anybody for crap when I do, and I just get giants walls of fluff, which isn't worth it.

And I actually don't get lynched too often, so i'm doing something right. I think my lynch will actually be beneficial to town.

Boonskiies · Post Post #903 (isolation #76) » Sun Dec 07, 2014 2:57 pm

This kind of thing just makes me want to do more trolly scummy things. You want a list, I'll give you my best thing, but it'll be crap because I can't read people as town early game.

Xiao Long - no fucking clue.
Varsoon - could go either way, i think he's super opportunistic, I feigned a town read on him early game to try and see if he'd buddy up, which I believe he did in some sort. Lean scum.
Formerfish - town willing to PL for the sske of 'teaching a lesson'. (won't, will have the opposite effect, to be honest.)
Drake Crusader - who?
Konowa - lean scum, but not with Varsoon. This is one of my bad early town reads that could go either way. He slyly buddy'd with Thor, and after that just seems kind of scummy. I always scum read Konowa everytime I play with him though.
Boonskiies - vanilla as fuck. it's why I don't care.
Zebulin - i don't think he's interested enough to be scum. He just hops on whatever to try and make a point. He wants to play, but isn't necessarily too into the game. Town.
acryon - same as former.
orcinus_theoriginal - town due to the Thor situation.
BlueBloodedToffee - dead null. if Varsoon flips town, he's scum.
gamsimbre - don't remember.

Boonskiies · Post Post #904 (isolation #77) » Sun Dec 07, 2014 2:58 pm

I've never self-voted as scum before.

Boonskiies · Post Post #905 (isolation #78) » Sun Dec 07, 2014 2:59 pm

unvote

looking for links, gonna put this back up in a sec.

Boonskiies · Post Post #908 (isolation #79) » Sun Dec 07, 2014 3:03 pm

My two other games where I've self-voted. Wanna know what's funny? Both of those games I was also Vanilla.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p6099088

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p6134132

Boonskiies · Post Post #909 (isolation #80) » Sun Dec 07, 2014 3:03 pm

In post 906, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:don't lynch boon

boon: replace out (preferred) or sheep your strongest town read. don't pull this shit again.

I don't replace out of games anymore.

Boonskiies · Post Post #910 (isolation #81) » Sun Dec 07, 2014 3:03 pm

In post 907, Varsoon wrote:VOTE: Konowa

Good shit, Boonskiies.
Now come with me into lynching LITERAL CLAIMED SCUM.

where did he claim scum?

Boonskiies · Post Post #915 (isolation #82) » Sun Dec 07, 2014 3:06 pm

After thinking about it, I could actually see a BBT/Konowa/Thor scum team. I'll go back to this.

VOTE: Konowa

Not for what Varsoon is quoting, but just because I can see Konowa being scum.

Boonskiies · Post Post #925 (isolation #83) » Sun Dec 07, 2014 3:20 pm

I reread the part where Allyra was talking to you, Varsoon, and she went on with Thor, and then Thor countered after I targeted Allyra. Thor put a lot of pressure on Allyra, and Allyra replaced out because she didn't like her scum buddy pressuring her so hard. Thor then decided to back off of that slot, hoping that the replacement scum partner wouldn't target him and the two of them could just let off of that pressure, and it would look good for scum for future analysis.

In post 579, Boonskiies wrote:I thought Rando would be an easy mislynch, and my play has definitely showed that I thought he was super scummy. If he hadn't died, I would be pushing for him hard toDay. Orc, my other scum read of yesterDay, I can't see being partners with Thor. Only thing that could possibly have happened was Thor pushed Allyra too hard as her partner, and she got so mad she replaced out. Although, Allyra did start that thing, so I'm iffy. Eh, I'm going to say that isn't what happened and start town reading Orc. Less work to be done on my part.

I posted this a while ago, and I actually think I was right.

In post 630, Boonskiies wrote:I really hate that I'm town reading Orc.

There's a reason that I hated town reading Orc. AND NOW I'M NOT!!!

Boonskiies · Post Post #926 (isolation #84) » Sun Dec 07, 2014 3:21 pm

In post 622, Boonskiies wrote:Xiao Long - null
Varsoon - town. I like how he's playing, even if I did feel a little tunneled.
Goblin - he's just hot headed townie.
Drake Crusader - null
Konowa - This could be the 3rd scum. I felt a little buddy-buddy with him and Thor; didn't scum read until Thor flipped goon.
Boonskiies - super town.
Zebulin - I think he's town. He hasn't been posting much, and I agree that I looked easily scummy, and for him to go on me was a super town move.
acryon - scum. He isn't voting me because he thinks I'm scum. I don't see a possibility where he is town. I get why town would vote me, but this isn't coming from a town perspective.
orcinus_theoriginal - town for now, but the explanation I said earlier could come back up.
BlueBloodedToffee - super town. listen to this guy.
gamsimbre - null

Also, I did post a reads list before, Varoon, but it's actually changed. Hmm...interesting similarities, though.

Boonskiies · Post Post #930 (isolation #85) » Sun Dec 07, 2014 3:26 pm

I actually want to lynch Orc over Konowa. If Orc is scum, I don't see a way Konowa is. In retrospect, maybe I picked the wrong details and scum read Konowa for reasons I should have scum read Allyra.

Boonskiies · Post Post #935 (isolation #86) » Sun Dec 07, 2014 3:40 pm

VOTE: Orc

Boonskiies · Post Post #937 (isolation #87) » Sun Dec 07, 2014 4:35 pm

Boonskiies · Post Post #939 (isolation #88) » Sun Dec 07, 2014 4:59 pm

I brought up wanting a lynch on Orc first....

Boonskiies · Post Post #940 (isolation #89) » Sun Dec 07, 2014 5:00 pm

In post 925, Boonskiies wrote:I reread the part where Allyra was talking to you, Varsoon, and she went on with Thor, and then Thor countered after I targeted Allyra. Thor put a lot of pressure on Allyra, and Allyra replaced out because she didn't like her scum buddy pressuring her so hard. Thor then decided to back off of that slot, hoping that the replacement scum partner wouldn't target him and the two of them could just let off of that pressure, and it would look good for scum for future analysis.

In post 579, Boonskiies wrote:I thought Rando would be an easy mislynch, and my play has definitely showed that I thought he was super scummy. If he hadn't died, I would be pushing for him hard toDay. Orc, my other scum read of yesterDay, I can't see being partners with Thor. Only thing that could possibly have happened was Thor pushed Allyra too hard as her partner, and she got so mad she replaced out. Although, Allyra did start that thing, so I'm iffy. Eh, I'm going to say that isn't what happened and start town reading Orc. Less work to be done on my part.

I posted this a while ago, and I actually think I was right.

In post 630, Boonskiies wrote:I really hate that I'm town reading Orc.

There's a reason that I hated town reading Orc. AND NOW I'M NOT!!!

Miss this post, Zebulin? Everything you posted a second ago kinda shows that you did.

Boonskiies · Post Post #941 (isolation #90) » Sun Dec 07, 2014 5:01 pm

I also don't think so. If I had a scum partner I didn't want on my team, I wouldn't bat an eye about bussing them. I'd go through with it for my own town cred, so they don't mess it up for me.

Boonskiies · Post Post #950 (isolation #91) » Sun Dec 07, 2014 6:15 pm

In post 946, Zebulin wrote:Quoting it for good measure.

In post 903, Boonskiies wrote:This kind of thing just makes me want to do more trolly scummy things. You want a list, I'll give you my best thing, but it'll be crap because I can't read people as town early game.

Xiao Long - no fucking clue.
Varsoon - could go either way, i think he's super opportunistic, I feigned a town read on him early game to try and see if he'd buddy up, which I believe he did in some sort. Lean scum.
Formerfish - town willing to PL for the sske of 'teaching a lesson'. (won't, will have the opposite effect, to be honest.)
Drake Crusader - who?
Konowa - lean scum, but not with Varsoon. This is one of my bad early town reads that could go either way. He slyly buddy'd with Thor, and after that just seems kind of scummy. I always scum read Konowa everytime I play with him though.
Boonskiies - vanilla as fuck. it's why I don't care.
Zebulin - i don't think he's interested enough to be scum. He just hops on whatever to try and make a point. He wants to play, but isn't necessarily too into the game.
Town.

acryon - same as former.
orcinus_theoriginal - town due to the Thor situation.
BlueBloodedToffee - dead null. if Varsoon flips town, he's scum.
gamsimbre - don't remember.

I town read orc due to the Thor situation. Once I reevaluated Thor, the situation went away, and the town read on orc was no longer relevant. but yes, I town read you.

Boonskiies · Post Post #952 (isolation #92) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 6:51 am

Boonskiies · Post Post #968 (isolation #93) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 1:53 pm

What reasons am I sum for? I forgot.

Boonskiies · Post Post #990 (isolation #94) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:41 pm

Thor's dead bro.

Boonskiies · Post Post #992 (isolation #95) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:46 pm

But other than that, I like your read on Konowa for day 1.

Boonskiies · Post Post #994 (isolation #96) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:50 pm

Thor flipped scum, so at least you were correct.

Boonskiies · Post Post #996 (isolation #97) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 5:19 pm

In post 903, Boonskiies wrote:This kind of thing just makes me want to do more trolly scummy things. You want a list, I'll give you my best thing, but it'll be crap because I can't read people as town early game.

Xiao Long - no fucking clue.
Varsoon - could go either way, i think he's super opportunistic, I feigned a town read on him early game to try and see if he'd buddy up, which I believe he did in some sort. Lean scum.
Formerfish - town willing to PL for the sske of 'teaching a lesson'. (won't, will have the opposite effect, to be honest.)
Drake Crusader - who?
Konowa - lean scum, but not with Varsoon. This is one of my bad early town reads that could go either way. He slyly buddy'd with Thor, and after that just seems kind of scummy. I always scum read Konowa everytime I play with him though.
Boonskiies - vanilla as fuck. it's why I don't care.
Zebulin - i don't think he's interested enough to be scum. He just hops on whatever to try and make a point. He wants to play, but isn't necessarily too into the game. Town.
acryon - same as former.
orcinus_theoriginal - town due to the Thor situation.
BlueBloodedToffee - dead null. if Varsoon flips town, he's scum.
gamsimbre - don't remember.

Boonskiies · Post Post #997 (isolation #98) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 5:19 pm

only my orc read has changed, and my Formerfish has become null.

Boonskiies · Post Post #1035 (isolation #99) » Tue Dec 09, 2014 7:23 pm

Drake's last post hit me in a weird kind of way. I'm scum reading him now because of it. I'm unsure whether or not it was because it was him targeting me though. Either way, I don't have anything else to push on Orc besides guy, so might as well jump on another scum read.

VOTE: Drake

Also, why the hell do I think everyone can potentially be scum, god damn.

Boonskiies · Tue Dec 09, 2014 7:24 pm

I'm not super confident in any of my town reads. Besides Zebulin. That guy's pretty damn town.

[inb4 he flips scum....]

Boonskiies · Wed Dec 10, 2014 12:35 pm

In post 448, Shinobi wrote:
Vote Count

Thor665
(7):
orcinus_theoriginal, randomidget, BlueBloodedToffee, Zebulin, Xiao Long, acryon, Boonskiies

Lynch achieved.

In post 1039, Shinobi wrote:
Vote Count

Drake Crusader
(3):
orcinus_theoriginal, Boonskiies, Konowa,
BlueBloodedToffe

BlueBloodedToffee
(2): Xiao Long, Formerfish

Varsoon
(1): killerjester

Boonskiies
(1): Zebulin

Konowa
(1): Drake Crusader

Formerfish
(1): BlueBloodedToffee

killerjester
(1): Varsoon

Not Voting
(1): acryon

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline
: (expired on 2014-12-17 18:00:00)

3 of the 4 people who were on the Thor wagon, are on the Drake wagon, also. I don't feel Konowa would be bussing in this situation either, so I actually feel we might have hit scum on Drake.

Boonskiies · Wed Dec 10, 2014 9:00 pm

In post 1097, Drake Crusader wrote:
In post 1094, Konowa wrote:Drake, L-1. Claim. Nao.

But, at last I shall confess.
I am your normal town member.
Eh you can vote me off tho. I am not much of a help I figure and one less town will help make mafia's job easier. At least I got that list up. This game has been frustrating to say the least.

Not even going to say VT/vanilla or anything? Just normal?

Lynch it, boys!!

Boonskiies · Fri Dec 12, 2014 8:03 am

How is me dropping self-meta stuff trust tells? It's meta...

Boonskiies · Fri Dec 12, 2014 8:04 am

I'm not sure what a trust tell is actually...?

Boonskiies · Sat Dec 13, 2014 10:38 am

In post 1149, Varsoon wrote:Trust tells are when you say something like,
"I only do X as this alignment"

For instance, for awhile, I was always claiming my alignment 100% truthfully.
This made the game unfair, because it grants a certain advantage but it also against scum wincon until the trust tell is broken.

The big difference from just falling into easy patterns and a trust tell, though, is that the trust tell is usually intentional and manufactured.
Like, if you went into every game and bolded your first post if you were town, and then called attention to the fact that you only bold first posts if you are town.
That sort of thing.

I'm self meta'ing, not trust telling then.

Boonskiies · Sat Dec 13, 2014 10:39 am

In post 1156, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:So, two leading wagons are;

Drake;
Orc, Boon, Konowa, BBT

BBT;
Xiao, Fish, Varsoon

One of those wagons is town as fuck.

The other one isn't.

Let's see if we can work this out.

Keep in mind, all 4 of us on the Drake wagon were on the Thor wagon. Thor flipped scum. There is

at least

one scum in Xiao/Fish/Varsoon.

Boonskiies · Sat Dec 13, 2014 10:57 am

I find it highly unlikely that the four of us on the Drake wagon (if he flips scum, which he probably will) would be on this wagon as scum. It doesn't make sense for any of us to hard bus

two

scum partners in the first 2 days of the game. Those lynches could easily be avoided bar the bussing.

@BBT - I'm inclined to feel the same way as in your 1188.

Boonskiies · Sat Dec 13, 2014 11:11 am

Xiao, thoughts on Varsoon?

Boonskiies · Sat Dec 13, 2014 1:38 pm

I don't see stating Intent to Hammer is scummy at all.

Boonskiies · Sat Dec 13, 2014 1:39 pm

In post 1203, Boonskiies wrote:I don't see stating Intent to Hammer
is
scummy at all.

take is out...overthought the sentence.

Boonskiies · Sun Dec 14, 2014 11:15 am

In post 1208, Formerfish wrote:
In post 1203, Boonskiies wrote:I don't see stating Intent to Hammer is scummy at all.

I figured maybe you would since as town you hammer without saying a thing. Hey Boon, do I have enough of your attention to answer some questions I've already asked twice?

What were you thinking when you first tried to excuse your hammer on trolling? And then when that didn't work you tried to get us to believe that you may have been a compulsive hammerer?

How do you reconcile the fact that when you were being run up you begged people not to hammer yet, but you see nothing anti-town in the way you quick hammered Thor.

I look forward to your succinct answers forthwith.

Compulsive hammerer was just a non funny joke. I wanted him lynched day 1. I was ready for the day to be over, and my reads were all over the place. I flip flopped my scum reads and turned them town which flip flopped my town read on Thor in the process. I hammered.

It was different for mine. People weren't actually scum reading me, and I bet if we look back at people on my wagon, we'll find scum. People, you included, were going to Policy Lynch me, which is not the same as what was happening to Thor.

Boonskiies · Tue Dec 16, 2014 1:03 pm

Great play, BBT. Thank you for shooting Konowa. (assuming he did last night with his JOAT).

VOTE: Zebulin

This guy is scum.

Boonskiies · Tue Dec 16, 2014 1:03 pm

Ninja'd me, fish.

Boonskiies · Tue Dec 16, 2014 1:04 pm

In post 1228, Zebulin wrote:Sweet, we got scum.

Drake: Were you active lurking or just didn't have much time to play? I'm curious.

This is what made me want to vote Zebulin. Not even his most recent thing from toDay; I hadn't seen it yet.

Boonskiies · Tue Dec 16, 2014 1:05 pm

In post 1248, Zebulin wrote:...Welp.

Looks like we
didn't
get scum.

The italicized

didn't

is a scum tell.

Boonskiies · Tue Dec 16, 2014 1:12 pm

Everytime I've seen someone comment on someone else's alignment in twilight or beginning day and italicize a word, it's usually because they are trying to put up a visage to make them seem like they are generally surprised. It's very fake coming from scum. It sounds stupid, but I'm going to try and look for some in my past games. Plus, it's not the only thing I'm scum reading you for.

Boonskiies · Tue Dec 16, 2014 1:18 pm

Zebulin, can you link your last scum game?

Boonskiies · Tue Dec 16, 2014 1:24 pm

Doesn't seem that Zebulin has had a scum game. Unless I'm being stupid and just can't find it. Anyways, yeah, I think Zebulin is scum. Varsoon could be his partner, but I just feel Varsoon's a VI.

Boonskiies · Tue Dec 16, 2014 1:25 pm

I just looked at them before posting, haha. Yeah, I'm wanting to lynch Zebulin. Only thing that could probably convince me otherwise is if Acryon scums it up, or someone scum slips epicly.

Boonskiies · Tue Dec 16, 2014 7:27 pm

I'm starting to lean scum on Killer based on his last post. It just feels like a counter wagon to me.

Boonskiies · Tue Dec 16, 2014 7:28 pm

Btw, Zeb, I read your post. If you really want me to do a huge list of the reasons I think you're scum, I'll do it later...probably.

Boonskiies · Tue Dec 16, 2014 7:37 pm

He's fake Xiao. Things he is saying aren't genuine.

Boonskiies · Tue Dec 16, 2014 7:39 pm

I'm town read Xiao for the fact that he's leaning scum on me now, yet isn't sure. That's a town tell for dealing with me.

Boonskiies · Tue Dec 16, 2014 7:42 pm

I don't think I have any null reads anymore.

Xiao Long - town
Varsoon - scum
Formerfish - town
Boonskiies- town
Zebulin - scum
acryon - null
orcinus_theoriginal - town
killerjester - scum

Nevermind, I have one null.
Looks like I'm split, though.

Varsoon
Zebulin
Killer
Acryon

If we start to lynch within this lynch pool, town will win the game.

Boonskiies · Tue Dec 16, 2014 7:45 pm

off the top of my head...here's one. Formerfish here modded this game.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=525

Argh! You
are
mafia, aren't you! Argh!!!

said by Drew Sta, flipped scum. I've dealt with others as well, because I noticed it as a pattern in another game of mine. I just don't remember which game it was.

Boonskiies · Tue Dec 16, 2014 7:47 pm

I feel the need to believe you about Acryon for reasons I should move on about the subject.

Then Zebulin/Killer/Varsoon should be the lynch pool. Both scum are in that.

Boonskiies · Tue Dec 16, 2014 7:48 pm

I'm most likely going to die toNight now. Please watch out for who is going to be opposed to certain people in my lynch pool, but okay with some of the others.

Boonskiies · Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:01 pm

it's different. No one in their right mind would honestly go "guys, i'm scum." They'd do it jokingly. the only time they'd claim it is in a scum slip. Usually by just replacing the word town for scum.

Boonskiies · Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:01 pm

granted, I've scum slipped as town before...so not always reliable.

Boonskiies · Thu Dec 18, 2014 10:41 pm

Ditto.

Boonskiies · Sat Dec 20, 2014 10:24 am

In post 1333, Formerfish wrote:Yeah, I do, but I don't feel like laying it out for someone who I haven't seen do any kind of scum hunting.

Boonskiies · Sat Dec 20, 2014 1:19 pm

How am I sheeping? We voted at the same time.

Boonskiies · Sat Dec 20, 2014 1:20 pm

scum would be more likely to fabricate a reason on you being scum, Zeb.

Boonskiies · Sat Dec 20, 2014 1:41 pm

In post 1338, Zebulin wrote:
In post 1337, Boonskiies wrote:
In post 1333, Formerfish wrote:Yeah, I do, but I don't feel like laying it out for someone who I haven't seen do any kind of scum hunting.

You're just as bad as Formerfish AND you're sheeping. See my entire last post for why that's a terrible reason to have a scumcase. FYI, I have scumhunted. You can see it in my ISO (when I try to link it it doesn't work for some reason). Go ahead and look at that.

VOTE: Boonskiies Same reason as Formerfish, but Boonskiies was scummier early game.

Varsoon:
Lynch Boonskiies/Formerfish today, and if the lynched flips town then lynch me D4. I'm 99% on Boonskiies or Formerfish or both being scum
at this point, as they won't lay any sort of case on me out. If they actually post a legitimate case on me (at this point I don't expect it to happen) then that will change.

Boonskiies, Formerfish: Post a case on me.

This is a scum tell. You aren't positive we're both scum, and you think one of us is scum, and you are willing to give up yourself to get one of us lynched toDay. If one of us flip town, you immediately assume the other word be town? What good would having yourself offered as a lynch do if we are lynched and flip town, specifically only one of us lynched and flip town. Why wouldn't you immediately pursue the other one after instead of giving up? I'm happy where my vote is.

Boonskiies · Sun Dec 21, 2014 7:57 am

Anytime I have had a reason to say you're scum I have done it. I have put plenty of posts already. I did yesterDay as well.

Boonskiies · Tue Dec 23, 2014 10:34 am

In post 1404, acryon wrote:
In post 1402, Xiao Long wrote:This would be the third time saying it, but ok:
You said scum would call out the idea of me killing BBT.
You called it out.
Therefore you are scum.
Questions?

This is not right. You and Boon need to stop throwing out these "scum-slips." Scum-slips, in actuality, are
very
rare, so it should be quite low on your radar.

I used the wrong term. I meant scum tell, which isn't as rare. They are actually pretty common, but usually in hindsight. Also, I have been aware you have been asking a question to me, and by god, for some reason I don't understand why everyone is town reading you either. Sure, you don't seem innately scummy, but you definitely don't seem town to me. I'm still on for the Zebulin/Acryon scum team. I'll get to that when I have the time to sit down and analyze your ISO's.

Boonskiies · Sat Dec 27, 2014 11:52 am

Catching up.

Boonskiies · Sun Dec 28, 2014 11:39 pm

Well, zebby boy, you are giving less reasons to why I am scum, than I am to you. Your posts are fluffy. Mine are obviously disinterested/in caught up on this game. I could see zeb probably being scum with xiao.

Boonskiies · Tue Dec 30, 2014 8:53 am

VOTE: Xiao

Boonskiies · Tue Dec 30, 2014 8:56 am

What was the question again?

Boonskiies · Tue Dec 30, 2014 8:56 am

I've given my reads on why Zebulin was scum, also. That is the main reason why I haven't reposted.

Boonskiies · Tue Dec 30, 2014 8:59 am

I got lazy for one. I'm caught up, I just don't remember. I'll make a giant wall post for my Zebulin case tomorrow.

PEdit:

Oh that. I linked one of the games already, I believe. I just didn't look further than that.

Boonskiies · Tue Dec 30, 2014 9:00 am

In post 1276, Boonskiies wrote:off the top of my head...here's one. Formerfish here modded this game.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=525

Argh! You
are
mafia, aren't you! Argh!!!

said by Drew Sta, flipped scum. I've dealt with others as well, because I noticed it as a pattern in another game of mine. I just don't remember which game it was.

Boonskiies · Thu Jan 01, 2015 11:11 am

VOTE: Killerjester

I'll sheep you for now, Varsoon, as Killer was on my lynch pool. I'd like to eventually get back to Zebulin, though.

Boonskiies · Thu Jan 01, 2015 11:12 am

In post 1274, Boonskiies wrote:I don't think I have any null reads anymore.

Xiao Long - town

Varsoon - scum
Formerfish - town
Boonskiies- town
Zebulin - scum
acryon - null
orcinus_theoriginal - town
killerjester - scum

Nevermind, I have one null.
Looks like I'm split, though.

Varsoon
Zebulin
Killer
Acryon

If we start to lynch within this lynch pool, town will win the game.

there was my one screw up.

Boonskiies · Thu Jan 01, 2015 11:14 am

In post 1571, Boonskiies wrote:
In post 1274, Boonskiies wrote:I don't think I have any null reads anymore.

Xiao Long - town
Varsoon - scum

Formerfish - town
Boonskiies- town
Zebulin - scum
acryon - null
orcinus_theoriginal - town
killerjester - scum

Nevermind, I have one null.
Looks like I'm split, though.

Varsoon
Zebulin
Killer
Acryon

If we start to lynch within this lynch pool, town will win the game.

there was my one screw up.

bolded the wrong place.

Boonskiies · Fri Jan 02, 2015 11:35 am

Killer or Zebulin please.

Boonskiies · Sat Jan 03, 2015 1:28 pm

In post 1591, Zebulin wrote:VOTE: Boonskiies Still think he's the scummiest, for all the reasons prior.

Alright
, so I'm thinkig the last scum is Boonskiies or killerjester.
I don't think Acryon or Varsoon are the last scum, as they are both gut townreads, and Formerfish seems to be the most active and contributing, so I don't think he's scum either. KJ has been inactive, but I don't think that's enough by itself to be lynched. Boonskiies has been scummy all game.

Formerfish: I'm pretty sure anyone would've killed Orc in the night, he was basically conf town after both Thor and Xiao hating him and then dying.

He thinks it's either me or killer, and there's a wagon on killer, and he chooses to vote me. I don't see how it's not Zebulin.

VOTE: Zebulin

Boonskiies · Sat Jan 03, 2015 5:25 pm

Former, can you give me your reads list, please? I don't want you to put reasons. I just want a simple town/scum (leaning if need be).

Boonskiies · Mon Jan 05, 2015 2:46 pm

Acryon, didn't I show a list of games where I pointlessly hammer as town? I can show you a link where I'm more careful where my votes are when I'm scum, if you wish. I'm done defending myself, by the way. I don't care enough, and it'll just lead to my mislynch.

Boonskiies · Mon Jan 05, 2015 2:48 pm

I trust Formerfish this game, and am totally seeing things from his perspective. Zeb/Killer should be today's lynch

Boonskiies · Mon Jan 05, 2015 3:58 pm

@Zebulin

In post 1603, Formerfish wrote:Former- Town
Acryon- Town

Boon- Null

Varsoon- null scum

Zeb- Scum
Killer- Scum

we're his bottom 4, that's why. I'm on top of that 4, though.

Boonskiies · Mon Jan 05, 2015 8:04 pm

VOTE: Killer

I wish you guys would just fucking vote Zebulin.

Boonskiies · Tue Jan 06, 2015 9:48 am

In post 1636, Zebulin wrote:
In post 1633, Boonskiies wrote:VOTE: Killer

I wish you guys would just fucking vote Zebulin.

Why did you just vote one person and then tell everyone to vote another person?

I didn't 'just' vote one person. I had been voting you for the longest time. I also have been saying Killer was someone else I'd be willing to vote. After I realized I was never going to convince people to lynch you today, I settled for my other scum read.

Boonskiies · Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:18 pm

In post 1649, Formerfish wrote:Right and again we are veering close to trust tell territory with that.

Apparently I had already pulled a trust tell earlier in the game, and Orc figured it out. I'll have to ask him about that so I can avoid doing that.

Boonskiies · Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:21 pm

In post 1656, Zebulin wrote:
Boonskiies is either a decent scum player, a idiotic town player or a troll
, and all 3 are anti-town. He's also (in my opinion) the most likely scum. I want him lynched today.

Acryon, since you're most likely going to die tonight, what are your reads on all the players and what should we do in lylo if Boon (or anyone else who gets lynched, but Boon is most likely right now) flips town?

I'm only two of those. I'm a fantastic scum player. My idiocy on town eventually turns around, though. I usually make it to lylo as Town due to scum thinking I'm an easy mislynch due to me being idiotic. I don't believe I've ever made the wrong call in lylo as town come to think of it. I usually can prove myself town. (besides a newbie game i was in that I went epic anti-town. one of my first games.=/)

Boonskiies · Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:23 pm

In post 1652, killerjester wrote:I'm more confident in scum between Varsoon and Zebulin so would like to use our 2 lynches for them if possible.

Join me in a Zebulin lynch. I'd rather lynch him than you, to be honest. Make him your counterwagon, and I will follow suit.

Boonskiies · Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:26 pm

Varsoon/killer/Myself/Former. Lynch Zebulin with me, PLEASE. I'd much prefer it to Killer.

VOTE: Zebulin

Killer, prove you are town to me. You say you want Varsoon or Zebulin, I'll meet you in the middle.
Former, your biggest scum reads are Killer and Zebulin, there is no reason not to vote Zebulin.
Varsoon...I just trust you for some reason, man.

Also, Zebulin is totally playing up buddy buddy with Acryon.

Boonskiies · Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:39 pm

At this point the game is just POE for me. Former/Acryon I've accepted are town. I know I'm town. I really want to trust Varsoon. I don't find Killer scummy. I just don't. But POE man. Zebulin is scum.

Vote him, Varsoon. If somehow you are scum, good game, you're going to win, because I'll vote for Killer tomorrow.

Boonskiies · Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:41 pm

Killer isn't today's lynch, unfortunately. It's either Zebulin or myself. I'd MUCH rather us get rid of either Zebulin toDay to solve the killer/zebulin debacle, and not have to deal with either of them in Mylo.

Boonskiies · Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:42 pm

In post 1664, Boonskiies wrote:Killer isn't today's lynch, unfortunately. It's either Zebulin or myself. I'd MUCH rather us get rid of Zebulin toDay to solve the killer/zebulin debacle, and not have to deal with
either
both
of them in Mylo.

Boonskiies · Tue Jan 06, 2015 4:03 pm

@Acryon - if you think I'm trust telling, you wouldn't be voting me. So, false. If you thought I was trust telling, you'd be town reading me.

@Varsoon - we aren't in mylo, so there's going to be another day for you to 1v1 with killer. Acryon is probably getting NK'd tonight, so I'd much rather have the buddy buddy narrow minded tunneling of Acryon/Zebulin out of this game before we get to final decision. I don't necessarily think we have to get there, because there's a high chance Zebulin is scum.

Boonskiies · Tue Jan 06, 2015 9:03 pm

I voted Zebulin last page.

VOTE: Zebulin

Fixed, apologies for the mistake.

Boonskiies · Tue Jan 06, 2015 10:55 pm

He is not town.

Boonskiies · Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:35 am

How the fuck am I trust telling?! Because I'm self meta'ing myself? Accusations on me are laughable.

Zebulin, at this moment I'm just POE'ing you along with you being inherently scummy.

Boonskiies · Wed Jan 07, 2015 11:57 am

My main point right now is that Formerfish I see as 100% town. Acryon, for other reasons that I won't discuss, is town. Varsoon vs Killer is an epic town vs town fight. I know I'm town. What does that leave from my perspective?

Boonskiies · Wed Jan 07, 2015 1:09 pm

Everything you just said is only half of everything I'm doing. I've pretty much voted everyone in this game, so that argument is flawed. When do I ever do wall posts? Argument flawed. That self vote thing is the reason trust telling is being brought up. Arg Flawed. I've never buddied my scum buddies before, why would I start in this game? That argument flawed. And lastly, me voting you is super town because you are scum.

Boonskiies · Wed Jan 07, 2015 1:10 pm

3 lines. What?!?! ^

Boonskiies · Wed Jan 07, 2015 1:12 pm

Also, I disagree with the refusal to defend being anti-town. Scum try harder to try and defend themselves because they have to, and they feel more pressure because they are scum. A la...you.

Boonskiies · Wed Jan 07, 2015 1:13 pm

Also, if either Killer or Varsoon were scum, I feel they would be more involved with the Boon vs Zebulin rather than each other.

Boonskiies · Wed Jan 07, 2015 1:18 pm

Not really. Then he could easily just turn it on the other one.

Boonskiies · Wed Jan 07, 2015 1:19 pm

Ideal play from Killer scum would be to lynch either Zebulin or myself, and then after the slot flips town, turn on the other one. That's why Killer's not scum. Pushing you at this point doesn't make sense. Varsoon won't be getting lynched today. You both are epic tunneling.

Boonskiies · Wed Jan 07, 2015 1:24 pm

I'm actually almost clearing Killer completely after thinking all of this over. Varsoon might be taking his place, because even though the same thing for killer could be said about Varsoon, I could see Varsoon not wanting to do that. Especially after:

In post 1707, Varsoon wrote:Killer can't do that--it'd be too obvious when they flip town.

Boonskiies · Wed Jan 07, 2015 1:25 pm

I don't think that's the optimal play at all, but it's Varsoon.

Boonskiies · Wed Jan 07, 2015 1:26 pm

Which leaves you, Zebulin. I don't think you are playing bad by any means. I just eliminated all other options of possible scum.

Boonskiies · Wed Jan 07, 2015 1:28 pm

Effort is not indicative in alignment completely contradicts your argument against me for not defending myself as well. Me not defending myself is me putting no effort in that defense. Effort is not indicative of alignment, right? You are looking for any means to get a false case on me. You are turning little pointless things into 'reasons why I'm scum', and in turn, you are becoming more and more scummier by the second.

Boonskiies · Wed Jan 07, 2015 1:37 pm

I'd be down to mass claim.

Boonskiies · Wed Jan 07, 2015 1:38 pm

And it's been obvious for a few days now that Acryon is a PR.

Boonskiies · Wed Jan 07, 2015 1:39 pm

In post 1257, Formerfish wrote:By the way, howdy neighbor. Thanks for lending me that power tool last week.

Boonskiies · Wed Jan 07, 2015 1:56 pm

start with the scummiest people, and let's popcorn it?

So either you or I start it, then call out the next person to claim. killer or varsoon could also start it I guess.

Boonskiies · Wed Jan 07, 2015 1:57 pm

player X: "i claim _____. I choose player Y to claim now."

Boonskiies · Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:10 pm

Boonskiies · Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:13 pm

In post 1734, Boonskiies wrote:^
y

Just that. Claim.

Boonskiies · Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:15 pm

VT. Varsoon, you're up.

Boonskiies · Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:15 pm

should be followed by Killer.

Boonskiies · Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:18 pm

I think it's game already.

Boonskiies · Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:20 pm

it's on page 1. doesn't prove anything. for either side of the spectrum.

Boonskiies · Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:21 pm

Killer, Claim whenever you see this. We are doing a mass claim, you are 4th up.

Boonskiies · Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:22 pm

Actually, we shouldn't be talking about it in that much detail.

Boonskiies · Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:28 pm

In post 1757, Formerfish wrote:Because you have an odd cadence to your posts and you seem to lack a basic understanding of sarcasm.

That's because you don't color your words in blue. ;p

Boonskiies · Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:31 pm

In post 1760, Formerfish wrote:Ok, so Killer needs to claim, but not really. The lynch is down to Boon, Varsoon, and Zeb. My vote stands.

I agree.

Boonskiies · Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:38 pm

Zeb's looking for any possible way of a counter wagon.

Boonskiies · Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:50 pm

why? He knew he wasn't lynched.

Boonskiies · Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:52 pm

that's so easy to fake.

Boonskiies · Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:53 pm

it's convincing to you, Varsoon, because you are hung up on Killer-scum.

Boonskiies · Wed Jan 07, 2015 3:52 pm

did you not read? We have claimed.

Boonskiies · Wed Jan 07, 2015 3:52 pm

three of us have anyways.

Boonskiies · Wed Jan 07, 2015 6:57 pm

Acryon discussion is up.

Boonskiies · Wed Jan 07, 2015 10:17 pm

Oh, I meant like...the time for his discussion he wanted to talk about is now.