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I was curious how you would respond to the uberfast wagon, and you seem very town now. You were my top scum pick page 1 (very very mildly scum). Same reason as randomidget. I think randomidget backing off was neutral in scummyness. Goblin should say why he voted. I usually give people the benefit of the doubt early d1, everyone's just saying stupid stuff to try to get reactions and get information. In a way the most careful players d1 are scum. I'm just typing all my thoughts in one paragraph, completely unrelated to one another.
Oh, and because I'll be gone: UNVOTE: Varsoon Goblin's my top scumpick due to unexplained stuff, but I won't vote due to V/LA.-
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Alright, so I'm going to read and post my thoughts per page as I go. If I ask a question that gets answered later just ignore the question, I'm going to be transparent with my thinking so everyone gets the information (and general information is better for town than scum).
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Thor and Allyra are arguing a lot. They're answering each other's points correctly. Not much.
Page 7:
VOTE: Allyra
You're not answering a lot of Thor's questions, hoping they'll go away. (Mostly in post 153.) You say
In post 157, Allyra wrote:In post 155, Thor665 wrote:Good description of my scum motive.
Oh that's okay you're scum. I'm not interested in Continuing a wall off with you. Those are wholly unproductive, clutter up the game, and you do nothing but harp on semantic bullshit most of the time regardless of your alignment.
But I think that boonskies actually voted me because I'm voting you. He did not once comment about that vote and changed his reasoning for thinking I'm scum too often. I do not think someone thinks I'm scum for having a town read. I do not think that you, as town, ignores that in favor of getting after me for missing a couple posts.
So, I'm not interested in causing a distraction with you. I fully expect o get lynched here because no one knows me and I know how much you tunnel and harangue about being sheeped.
My job is not to entertain some silly debate with you, my job is to show everyone why you're scum, which I will do until in dead.
This basically amounts to "Debating you is pointless, I will try to get you lynched until I die." This is TERRIBLE. Why would you do this? Debating gives town info, info gives town viable scumreads, viable scumreads kill scum and make us all happy. I gt it if you don't want to spend your time arguing with Thor (most people don't), but I wouldn't recommend replacing into a game with him in it if you were so dreading that so much. Just tellig someone to stop arguing is a HUGE scum move.
In post 159, Allyra wrote:Town: varsoon, CIA long, drake crusader
Scum: Thor, boonskies (potentially konowa)
In post 162, Allyra wrote:Town: varsoon, CIA long, drake crusader, randommidget
Scum: Thor, boonskies (potentially konowa)
Here you randomly give randomidget a townread when you didn't give him one two posts ago and explain nothing. Again, why would you do this?
The rest of your logic this page assumes Thor is scum, which for the 10 players who are town is completely unknown.
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Konowa seems really town as he explains himself to Allyra. Allyra is town on this page, but doesn't make up for page 7. Randomidget doesn't explain his vote very well, hopefully he does on the later pages. Most posts here are 1-line and Konowa just telling Allyra why he's not scum.
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Allyra says Thor is ovbscum without saying why Thor is ovb scum. Twice.
At this point I think that either Thor or Allyra is scum but not both (they would be bussing way too hard for that, and both are Mafia Scum so they've played a few games). If one of the two gets lynched and flips town I'd lynch the other one. Allyra and Thor both attack each other for a while. 1 of the 2 is probably scum.
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Boonskies is buddying Randomidget a little bit. Allyra is being very defensive. Allyra just replaced.
...That is a huge post.
Allyra seems real now. I'm not sure scum would get that frustrated over Konowa poking her for information, and Konowa wasn't particularly mean about it at all. Everything that Allyra just said sounds like the truth. Thor's follow-up post doesn't do him any favors either. Why the unexplained vote on Randomidget? That's the second time someone changed their read on Randomidget without any context for it.
UNVOTE: orcinus_theoriginal Interesting study btw
VOTE: Thor
gamsimbre seems town. Doesn't seem like he's hiding anything.
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Thor is insulting his wagon, and is being generally distant from every single complaint about him. I don't like this.
Also, this post from Randomidget sums it all up:
In post 266, Randomnamechange wrote:I am seriously lolling at how many people are voting me without providing any reasons.
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Orcinus is a lot more town than Allyra. Providing reasons for votes and whatnot.
Orcinus and Thor go back and forth for a while. Not much new info (that I picked up on).-
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VOTE: Boonskies
He was buddying Thor basically the entire game (I meant to put Thor instead of Randomidget in post 351) and I feel that the vote without a claim was a desperate attempt to gain towncred by voting off a scum player (Boonskies is Mafia Scum so he's played a good amount of games). Either the guy is trolling the entire game, he's playing reckless due to lack of time/care/ITSMOREFUNTHISWAY, or he's scum. I suspect the latter.
Varsoon: That was a pretty bad scumcase on orcinus_theoriginal, you did not have any concrete evidence (or even kinda good evidence like my Boonskies case). I don't see how those quotes make Orc scum. Also, if Allyra replaces out for game strategy she will get modkilled (or at least you will in newbie games).-
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Case on Boonskies (quotes):
In post 359, Boonskiies wrote:In post 351, Zebulin wrote:
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Boonskies is buddying Randomidget a little bit.Allyra is being very defensive. Allyra just replaced.
...That is a huge post.
Allyra seems real now. I'm not sure scum would get that frustrated over Konowa poking her for information, and Konowa wasn't particularly mean about it at all. Everything that Allyra just said sounds like the truth. Thor's follow-up post doesn't do him any favors either. Why the unexplained vote on Randomidget? That's the second time someone changed their read on Randomidget without any context for it.
Explain how I'm buddying him, please. He's my 2nd biggest scum read, and I've been vocal about that. If Allyra slot didn't come into play (or if I didn't lean scum on the replacement into the slot) my vote would be on Rando. I'm going to assume you meant to put a different name there.
Where were you vocal of Thor before this post? I just ISO'd you, and I saw nothing on Thor as him being scum. Heck, I saw this about 5 posts in:
In post 167, Boonskiies wrote:But since that's not the case...congratulations, Thor. You earned yourself a town read from me.
Here is a vote on Randomidget with no real explanation (and Randomidget is confirmed town now):
In post 247, Boonskiies wrote:VOTE: Randomidget
That freakout seems legit. Inb4 Konowa/Allyra scum team...LOLOL.
And of course, here, the hammer without a claim:
Why did you do this??? It doesn't help you town or scum, and it sets up a policy lynch (which I am totally on board with due to thinking Boonskies should be lynched anyways ) You didn't explain at all during Twilight, only saying you were troll hammering for fun. That hammer, in the view of town, was anti-town even though it helped us, because Thor didn't get a chance to claim. You're either scum or being a VI, and you're capable of non-VI play.
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Just noticed that this is what Boonskies said gave Thor a townread;
In post 166, Boonskiies wrote:Eh, if I was scum with Thor and you voted him, I would have voted him as well. I'm a troll like that.
Meta defense that turns out to actually mean Boonskies is scum; Allyra's replacement voted Thor and Boonskies did as well.
Boonskies: I'm only 99% convinced of this read at this point, and I'm not going to vote you if you can answer every point I've made in my last 2 posts.
Orcinus: I'm voting for my highest scumread, not the one that's most likely to go through, because I half think Varsoon's just being reckless as town.
Varsoon: Lay off the caps lock, man. It's a bit severe.-
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In post 509, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:In post 466, Zebulin wrote:This is an interesting chain of comments.
Reads?
Town:
Xiao Long
Orcinus
Null:
acryon
Konowa
BlueBloodedToffee
Lurk:
Drake Crusader/gamsimbre/Goblin
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Varsoon:
Boonskies:
As for the 10 town: I know this isn't a role madness game, and I can't think of a setup with 4 or 2 scum that's balanced at this point (with at least 1 mafia goon and 2 vanilla townies). Us assuming there's 3 scum for when to play in lylo and taking the chance we're wrong is better imo than not knowing/paying attention to that part of the game.-
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Huh.
BlueBloodedToffee's become very town. Varsoon's brcome null. I think at this point that the remaining scumteam is Boonskies and a lurker (probably Goblin).
Konowa, could you stop using self-meta defenses? They don't convince anyone that you're town and they don't help scumhunting. It's filler.
Varsoon, I fell you're being too careful this game. Take some risks, try to get some reactions, stuff like that.
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In post 737, Varsoon wrote:Yeah, I'm actually reading Xiao town from the exchange. Comes off as the kind of frustration I have when people don't seem to ACTUALLY be reading what I'm saying, and then they insist on their non-reading over and over again.
Regardless.
Lynch Goblin.
VOTE: Goblin
Goblin's about to be replaced. You shouldn't vote him now; the replacement could iether confirm him as scum or offer some town insight, and both possibilities are great.
Xiao Long: Why the heck did you just vote yourself? What purpose did that serve? Cmon, you were my strongest townread.
Acryon: Family > Arguing online with random people.
Also, I feel like someone asked me a question but I forget which one. What was it?-
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In post 779, Boonskiies wrote:uhm....scum replacing out? or just doesn't want to deal with defending himself?
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In post 800, Formerfish wrote:
Zeb- How often do you get scum reads off page 1? How often are those reads accurate? And do you give the benefit of the doubt on d1 or scumread people? #335 is a Debating is inherently fine, but when it starts to become an argument over semantics who gives a fucking shit. I think I hate everything you said in that post. Konowa didn’t sound town at all in his interactions with All, and even just hearing it leaves a dirty feeling on my eyes.
YouHAVEto have scumreads. At the very least you have to have some people who are more town and some who are less town. If you don't have this then you're not making an impact on the game, which is really really bad for town, great for scum, and makes you a easy lynch because someone will notice (one reason Xiao dropped from town to neutral on general reads). I know my Page 1 scumreads are probably wrong, but it's better than random chance.
What's the problem over #335? If you're talking about the semantics issue, Orc calmly explained that to me earlier.
Also, why am I 2nd to last in your scumread/die in a fire pile, when you have more bad things to say about someone like Varsoon (who was in your town pile)? And could you point out who's scum for you and who's die in a fire for you?
Also, Orc, if you want stupid nwebies IC or SE a newbie game.-
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In post 853, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:In post 848, Zebulin wrote:Try to argue professionally, please.
hello my name is orci i'm a professional arguer
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Alright, I'm 100% on ScumSkies now. I don't think that a player would replace out of a game due to a bus that she herself started, I disagree with Boonkies' townread of me's reason (effort is not indicative of alignment. You're totally on about how involved I am in this game), the fact that he's sheeping Varsoon way too easily, the fact he voted Orc less then a page after calling him town, the opinion that Thor/Orc scumteam is more likely then Thor/BBT (Allyra REPLACED OUT, you normally don't do that when bussing a scumbuddy because you know the outrage that your buddy is showing is fake), and everything everyone else has said.-
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Quoting it for good measure.
In post 903, Boonskiies wrote:This kind of thing just makes me want to do more trolly scummy things. You want a list, I'll give you my best thing, but it'll be crap because I can't read people as town early game.
Xiao Long - no fucking clue.
Varsoon - could go either way, i think he's super opportunistic, I feigned a town read on him early game to try and see if he'd buddy up, which I believe he did in some sort. Lean scum.
Formerfish - town willing to PL for the sske of 'teaching a lesson'. (won't, will have the opposite effect, to be honest.)
Drake Crusader - who?
Konowa - lean scum, but not with Varsoon. This is one of my bad early town reads that could go either way. He slyly buddy'd with Thor, and after that just seems kind of scummy. I always scum read Konowa everytime I play with him though.
Boonskiies - vanilla as fuck. it's why I don't care.
Zebulin - i don't think he's interested enough to be scum. He just hops on whatever to try and make a point. He wants to play, but isn't necessarily too into the game.Town.
acryon - same as former.
orcinus_theoriginal - town due to the Thor situation.
BlueBloodedToffee - dead null. if Varsoon flips town, he's scum.
gamsimbre - don't remember.-
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In post 954, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:In post 938, Zebulin wrote:Alright, I'm 100% on ScumSkies now. I don't think that a player would replace out of a game due to a bus that she herself started, I disagree with Boonkies' townread of me's reason (effort is not indicative of alignment. You're totally on about how involved I am in this game), the fact that he's sheeping Varsoon way too easily, the fact he voted Orc less then a page after calling him town, the opinion that Thor/Orc scumteam is more likely then Thor/BBT (Allyra REPLACED OUT, you normally don't do that when bussing a scumbuddy because you know the outrage that your buddy is showing is fake), and everything everyone else has said.
Really? So, you think Boon is scum for this theory but not Varsoon? I mean, I think Varsoon pretty much started the day saying Orc Vs Thor was scum theatre so I'm interested in why you are focusing on Boon for this.
I have a scumread on Varsoon right now, too, but Boonskiies is much much much more scum for all the reasons I've already stated, and I'm most comfortable with a lynch on him
Very Town:Randomidget
Town:orcinus_theoriginal
Lean Town:acryon, Formerfish
Null:Xiao Long, BlueBloodedToffee, Konowa
I Have No Idea:gamsimbre, Drake Crusader
Lean Scum:
Scum:Varsoon
Very Scum:Boonskiies, Thor665
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In post 968, Boonskiies wrote:What reasons am I sum for? I forgot.
ISO me. There you go.
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In post 1014, Konowa wrote:I can't even.
Vote: Drake Crusader
killer, it wasn't that I was being dodgy it was that the question didn't interest me at the time. I was more interested in trying to figure out Allyra.
Why did you just vote Drake? Explain your vote.
Killerjester: I'd prefer to keep my vote on my most scummy player, though I'm ok with a Varsoon lynch as of right now.-
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...that sounded really town.
Varsoon, the main reason I have a scumread on you (and I think the main reason people are scumreading you) is because you twisted Konowa's words to make him seem like he's saying "I'm scum" when he was saying "The case on me boils down to 'I'm scum because I'm scum' which is circular logic and shouldn't be taken as real logic". Twisting words is not something that town should do, and that entire case seems like a huge scumtell. Everything else you've done in my eyes is null/town, but that case is just awful.-
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In post 914, Varsoon wrote:In post 857, Varsoon wrote:Other than awkward interaction with Thor and a shitty push on Allya and literally no D2 presence, here's the gold:
In post 235, Konowa wrote:Yes.
It's a scummy post because she's seen Scum do something like that before, but if I said I considered myself a toprated scumhunter it wouldn't have been false bravado, it would have been me being me, but she knows I don't consider myself great which is why it pinged, but if I had lied it would have made it worse. Read here for reference.
So, I'm Scum because I'm Scum.
If you are Town, I think what is going over you head is that you are confusing considering oneself a "toprated scumhunter" (LAWL at that by the way) and being confident. Those are two -entirely- different things.
In post 235, Konowa wrote:Yes.
It's a scummy post because she's seen Scum do something like that before, but if I said I considered myself a toprated scumhunter it wouldn't have been false bravado, it would have been me being me, but she knows I don't consider myself great which is why it pinged, but if I had lied it would have made it worse. Read here for reference.
So, I'm Scum because I'm Scum.
If you are Town, I think what is going over you head is that you are confusing considering oneself a "toprated scumhunter" (LAWL at that by the way) and being confident. Those are two -entirely- different things.
In post 235, Konowa wrote:Yes.
It's a scummy post because she's seen Scum do something like that before, but if I said I considered myself a toprated scumhunter it wouldn't have been false bravado, it would have been me being me, but she knows I don't consider myself great which is why it pinged, but if I had lied it would have made it worse. Read here for reference.
So, I'm Scum because I'm Scum.
If you are Town, I think what is going over you head is that you are confusing considering oneself a "toprated scumhunter" (LAWL at that by the way) and being confident. Those are two -entirely- different things.
I made it size 300.
How do people miss these things?
Quoted for proof. Take a look at the original, full post Konowa made.-
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This part of the post was written a page and a half ago, and I thought I had hit "Post" but hadn't.
Alright, I just ISO'd Drake and there is literally NO new content that has been posted. Everything he's saying is just sheeping and hoping one of the top 3 scumreads (Konowa, Varsoon, Boonskiies) goes in, which is actually makinig me think those 3 are town andthe scumteam could be something crazy like Drake/Orc.(If that actually happens I called it first.)
HOWEVER
We should give Drake at least a chance at explaining himself/deal with the way-too-fast wagon that's going up before we put the guy at L-1.
Drake: What's your answer to everything anyone's said the last 3 pages?
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In post 1086, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:if i was scum this game i deserve a scummy
unfortunately i am not scum and thus do not deserve a scummy
In post 1086, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:ifi was scumthis game i deserve a scummy
unfortunately i am not scum and thus do not deserve a scummy
Orc scum confirmed.-
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In post 1096, Konowa wrote:Can we please lynch?
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Why another unexplained vote, Drake?
Do you have in-depth reads for everyone, or at least more in-depth than 1 line?
At this point I'd hammer you if there were less days on the clock, and I'm sure some of the other players not on your wagon would too. If you are town, though, it would be better for you to say all your reads and suspicions on players so we have something to go on.
Orc, you're probably the one who will get NK'd, so I would say your reads too.-
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Intent to hammer Drake
48 hours so we can use the remaining days
I feel like I've explained why earlier and his recent posts show 'scum/town that doesn't care' and neither attitude helps town. That 1108 literally asks to be lynched. I'm also worried that the wagon is getting apathetic and just forgetting about itself (like how the boys forgot Simon inLord of the Flies, just stopped caring).
Also, Formerfish, I was waiting for Goblin's replacement to come in and answer questions before voting the guy, because I assumed Goblin couldn't/wouldn't play Mafia. The replacement, you, played townish so I didn't see the need to vote.-
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Wow people hated my last post.
In post 1175, Formerfish wrote:In post 1172, Zebulin wrote:Intent to hammer Drake
48 hours so we can use the remaining days
I feel like I've explained why earlier and his recent posts show 'scum/town that doesn't care' and neither attitude helps town. That 1108 literally asks to be lynched. I'm also worried that the wagon is getting apathetic and just forgetting about itself (like how the boys forgot Simon inLord of the Flies, just stopped caring).
Also, Formerfish, I was waiting for Goblin's replacement to come in and answer questions before voting the guy, because I assumed Goblin couldn't/wouldn't play Mafia. The replacement, you, played townish so I didn't see the need to vote.
This pings me as all kinds of bad.
First, Drake isn't even at l-1, so hammer isn't exactly in play right now.
Second, is saying he literally asked to be lynched which is a misrep of what he actually said. What Drake is doing is falling on his sword to get a lynch through if that's what needs to happen.
Third, no one has forgotten about the wagon or that we have a deadline coming close...ish. We still have 4 days, which is plenty of time to switch gears if needed.
re: Goblin- with me replacing in you've lost all interest, so it seems, in trying to sort me and have given what seems like a town hand wave. Am I not an easily mislynch know and you've lost interest in persuing me?
1. VOTE: Drake Crusadernoonenoticedthefailzebjustdontmentionittoanyone
2. He did literally ask to be lynched.
In post 1108, Drake Crusader wrote:/snipSo If you think you want me gonemight as well get it done withor so catch a scum player.
3. I didn't say that people forgot. I said they're getting apathetic and I wanted to avoid apathy.
re. Goblin: That's a loaded question.Are you not asking loaded questions to get a mislynch?(What happened is that Goblin was being scummy, I was suspicious of him, then you showed up and was towny so I focused on the scummier players (Boonskiies and Drake.))
As for Lord of the Flies, I was doing a worksheet for school on it before mafiascum.net, so it was on my mind as I was typing. (Even if I was scum, I don't lie about RL affecting my playing, unless that counts as a trust tell, is which case I totally break it all the time )
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In post 1207, Formerfish wrote:No he said that if it came down to it and he was going to be the lynch then so be it.
And stop with the small text. Sack the fuck up and say what you need to say. We noticed that you called for a hammer on Drake when he was at l-2. Know what else I noticed, you actually put him at l-1 without announcing it. And I know that we are here talking about it so why would you have to, right? Because it'd be the town thing to do.
What the heck do you want me to say, Formerfish? Is there a question you have? Some read you want me to explain? You're not making it clear at all. I don't want to argue with you over something I'm not aware of, so could you please just tell me in real words and not this rhetorical nonsense what you're asking me to do?
I clearly put Drake at L-1, because I quoted a thing before voting the guy saying he was at L-1 prevote. Just in case though,DRAKE IS AT L-1 DONT VOTE HIM PLZ. Better?
Drake: What didyoumean by post 1108? You're most qualified to answer this question, after all.-
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Don't have a MafiaScum scumgame. My only scumgame was a RL one where the only 2 experienced Mafia players were scum.
I have towngames if you want!
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=58712
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=59151 (replaced out)
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I thought I could do what I did my first Newbie game and just call the entire scumteam and push the lynch single-handedly on one of them. Now we're in a losing position and everyone who's voting me are serious townreads. (Gosh darn it Boonskiies I distrusted you)
Boonskiies, Formerfish: What is every scumpoint you have on me?-
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In post 1269, Boonskiies wrote:Btw, Zeb, I read your post. If you really want me to do a huge list of the reasons I think you're scum, I'll do it later...probably.
DO IT NOW!
Come on Boonskiies. You're not explaining why you're voting someone outside of one point where you're using meta, which is a terrible reason to lynch someone. If you can't explain anything, I can't defend myself and you can't get any information about my slot. This is bad bad bad bad bad. Post your case. I don't want to argue in a argument that I'm not sure what it's about. (That made more sense in my head)
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In post 1299, killerjester wrote:Why is Varsoon probably town?
Like seriously. What the fuck am I missing?
The argument for TownSoon is that his actions are mistakes as both town AND scum and are therefore not scumslips. I believe it for the most part, but the unannounced hammer was a bit ... weird.
Also, I feel that if Orc and KJ are the same alignment, and one of the two will probably be NK'd.
Boonskiies, Formerfish: Could you please post your case on me? I'm going to go on V/LA over Winter Break and I want the chance to answer your case.-
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In post 1328, Formerfish wrote:Because I dont like your face
In post 1329, Boonskiies wrote:Ditto.
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In post 1333, Formerfish wrote:Yeah, I do, but I don't feel like laying it out for someone who I haven't seen do any kind of scum hunting.
Smurf you, Formerfish. Smurf you.VOTE: Formerfish
In all seriousness, that is a beyond terrible post and that vote is real. Withholding your reason for vote on a player and saying that the reason you're not posting your "case" is because that player is scummy is like saying "Hey, Player A is scum but I can't tell you why because THEN HE CAN DEFEND HIMSELF and we wouldn't want that can't we?" and that is beyond terrible. Seriously. This is ridiculously anti-town and the scummiest thing I've seen the entire game. THE ENTIRE GAME. Even my 2nd or 3rd strongest townread would becomeWould do the deed myself if this was real lifelevel of scumminess, and I'm thinking (though I'm totally biased) that you don't actually have a case on me and just saw a possible easy lynch due to how hard I mistankenly pushed a town player, Drake. You need to post your real case, TownFish, if you want to help town at all, or you won't get the lynch you want, or ANY lynch at all, (which is town, but could be scum in the future) and even if the lynch on me is bad you could at least go for someone D4 if I die. If you don't explain your cases, you are scum and won't be listened to by anyone except Boonskiies, who seems to be mindlessly sheeping you. ScumFish, keep doing what you're doing. It's not helping town at all, so you're doing great! YOu know, I'm not even going to edit this post so you can get the full emotion of frustration with you two that is going through me right now, and I want you to feel sad that you're making a stranger on the Internet bash his head against the wall. Just explain your read before I go on vacation ad miss the chance to counterattack. Please. If you're town at all you would post your case.
Formerfish/Boonskiies: WHAT IS YOUR CASE ON ME?
Varsoon: What are the things that make sense to you?
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In post 1337, Boonskiies wrote:In post 1333, Formerfish wrote:Yeah, I do, but I don't feel like laying it out for someone who I haven't seen do any kind of scum hunting.
You're just as bad as Formerfish AND you're sheeping. See my entire last post for why that's a terrible reason to have a scumcase. FYI, I have scumhunted. You can see it in my ISO (when I try to link it it doesn't work for some reason). Go ahead and look at that.
VOTE: Boonskiies Same reason as Formerfish, but Boonskiies was scummier early game.
Varsoon: Lynch Boonskiies/Formerfish today, and if the lynched flips town then lynch me D4. I'm 99% on Boonskiies or Formerfish or both being scum at this point, as they won't lay any sort of case on me out. If they actually post a legitimate case on me (at this point I don't expect it to happen) then that will change.
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In post 1341, Formerfish wrote:Stop asking for our cases, cases are for scumbags.
Do you have anything else on me to explain your vote or is it solely because I refuse to play your reindeer games? WELL YOU KNOW WHAT BLITZEN, I DONT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT YOUR GAMES!
Seriously bro, your play today has been all defense, and I have no reason to illuminate you towards my thinking right now because you haven't shown me town play at all. Now if you want to call that scummy have a field day, but you aren't doing shit other that omgus the fuck out of Boon and myself.
Problem is the only people posting are you me and Boonskiies. When someone else posts I do interact with them, and I did with Varsoon early D3. If other people could post more stuff I'd talk to them, but they're not so I can't.
In post 1342, Formerfish wrote:And trust me, I could write a case that would have you voting yourself cause its just that damn good.
Do it.
In post 1343, Boonskiies wrote:In post 1338, Zebulin wrote:In post 1337, Boonskiies wrote:In post 1333, Formerfish wrote:Yeah, I do, but I don't feel like laying it out for someone who I haven't seen do any kind of scum hunting.
You're just as bad as Formerfish AND you're sheeping. See my entire last post for why that's a terrible reason to have a scumcase. FYI, I have scumhunted. You can see it in my ISO (when I try to link it it doesn't work for some reason). Go ahead and look at that.
VOTE: Boonskiies Same reason as Formerfish, but Boonskiies was scummier early game.
Varsoon:Lynch Boonskiies/Formerfish today, and if the lynched flips town then lynch me D4. I'm 99% on Boonskiies or Formerfish or both being scumat this point, as they won't lay any sort of case on me out. If they actually post a legitimate case on me (at this point I don't expect it to happen) then that will change.
Boonskiies, Formerfish: Post a case on me.
This is a scum tell. You aren't positive we're both scum, and you think one of us is scum, and you are willing to give up yourself to get one of us lynched toDay. If one of us flip town, you immediately assume the other word be town? What good would having yourself offered as a lynch do if we are lynched and flip town, specifically only one of us lynched and flip town. Why wouldn't you immediately pursue the other one after instead of giving up? I'm happy where my vote is.
This WOULD be correct, but you didn't see/"conveinently forgot" thefor both. What I'm saying is that I'm so confident at least one of you two are scum that I'd risk my in-game life on it, and I would. If both of you flip town then kill me off, I'm a VI and look super scummy. (Don't take that out of context in size 300 font Varsoon )
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My reason for voting Formerfish and Boonskiies is that they are voting someone (me) without posting a legitamite reason for it, and saying that he does hve a good reason but won't post it because I'm "not scumhunting". I am scumhunting, and I'm trying to find out if Formerfish and Boonskiies are scum or not in response to my questions. I have scumhunted before in the past, mostly on Thor D1 and Varsoon and Formerfish D2.
Formerfish: IF you're actually town, you should post your case so that the other players can hear it and agree with it. You can't lynch someone with just 2 players on the wagon.-
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Spoiler: Massive block of scumhunting
This is me asking questions, pointing out possible scumslips, and pressuring players to figure out whether they are town or scum. Every post has at least a little, and about half are full-on scumhunting.
I know it looks terrible that the 2 people who are voting me are the 2 scumreads, but I'm not going to lie about my scumreads. Those 2 are scum for the reasons I've already mentioned.
NOTE: Tomorrow I won't be able to answer questions, and that will continue for a week. That's why I wanted Formerfish and Boonskiies to post their case now. If they actually do post a case don't vote me until I get a chance to answer it, please.-
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A Ton Of Unrelated Thoughts About The Game
VOTE: BoonskiiesStill scummiest player.
Alright, so I realized I accidentally took a lot of the stupid stuff Boonskiies was saying and thought Formerfish had said it as well (like the rhetorical questions and sheeping). Sorry about that. You still might scum due to bad cases, but I was way more adamant about it than I meant to. (Boon is very very scum still)
Orc is reminding me so much of grapes from this game http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=58712 with the rhetorical questions on Xiao, whose case I don't quite get (someone couldve easily killed BBT to try to incriminate Xiao, who's self-vote allowed for a policy lynch even though it doesn't matter (some players policy lynch self-votes)), and Xiao is ALSO using rhetorical questions. I'm pretty sure one of the two is scum.
V/LA12/29 through 1/2More vacation Less Mafia
As of now, my reads are:
Very Town:
Town:acryon, killerjester
Leaning Town:Varsoon
Null:Orcinus_theoriginal, Xiao LongIf one flips town/scum the other goes to scum/town
Leaning Scum:Formerfish
Scum:
Very Scum:Boonskiies
PEdit: Formerfish: I had read up to page 58 on vacation but didn't have time to post anything.-
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In post 1494, acryon wrote:In post 1493, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:In post 1489, Zebulin wrote:Null: Orcinus_theoriginal, Xiao Long If one flips town/scum the other goes to scum/town
this seems really lazy
Agreed. Saying that kind of associative read is fine, but it should at least be noted which one is more likely to be scum I think. Without that, it doesn't mean much.
They're close, but as of right now I'd say Xiao Long is more likely to be scum because Orc's predeccessor replaced out due to frustration with dealing with Thor, which makes no sense from a bussing mindset (and I believe that replacing out strategically is banned), so she would have to be REALLY frustrated as scum to replace out.
Boonskiies: I've already said why I've thought you were scum, and since we both we're (are for me) on vacation I couldn't find anything more town or scum about you.-
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VOTE: Boonskiies Still think he's the scummiest, for all the reasons prior.
Alright, so I'm thinkig the last scum is Boonskiies or killerjester. I don't think Acryon or Varsoon are the last scum, as they are both gut townreads, and Formerfish seems to be the most active and contributing, so I don't think he's scum either. KJ has been inactive, but I don't think that's enough by itself to be lynched. Boonskiies has been scummy all game.
Formerfish: I'm pretty sure anyone would've killed Orc in the night, he was basically conf town after both Thor and Xiao hating him and then dying.-
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