Mini 1698: MDCXCVIII [C'est fini!]

[TheDominator37]

Ok I'm here
I get an rvs don't I?
VOTE: implosion I like explosions and inplosions are the opposite of explosions
UNVOTE:
Don't lynch anyone yet I need to give my reads

[TheDominator37]

Not much can really be made from the first 3 pages
I'll give my immediate reads
The early wagon on implosion IMO is a bit of an over reaction

Unvote

VOTE: GrayFoxxxx
I wanted to do this earlier but there was no one else voting him so it wasn't really worth it. Thank you, KK.

Yeah I
Dont like this. Town doesn't need cover for a vote.

VOTE: implosion

Unvote

VOTE: GrayFoxxxx
I wanted to do this earlier but there was no one else voting him so it wasn't really worth it. Thank you, KK.

Yeah I
Dont like this. Town doesn't need cover for a vote.

VOTE: implosion

these to posts seemed scummy to me

[TheDominator37]

Ok page 4 was a lot better than the last 3
I'll give you my reads

Yes, but 3 votes had already been placed on Implosion. I think he should have been trying to find another possible scum at that point.

Scummiest thing yet. Not only are you wrong about how many votes were on implosion, but what townie would suggest that we need to find two scum before putting pressure on one? Definitely seeing a Mario/Implosion team as a possibility.

If spawn was the 3rd vote, then I retract what I said
3 is not actually bad and we can keep this on Implosion.
And I was thinking that we already had 4 votes on Implosion. What's more, it is good to have pressure on more than one player, as otherwise if we're wrong we have nothing to fall on. And I don't like how you said that being wrong is scummy.

Being wrong in a way that diverts attention from someone else is scummy. But only if that someone else is scum themselves. Hence no vote on you.

I like Kublai's reasoning. VOTE: GrayFoxxxx

I don't like this. A bandwagon on kub. Scum points for you

This idea that we need multiple suspects is awfully strange.

Hi, have you played mafia before?

Yes. Something the timing seems strange, especially since he is still voting for Implosion.

You seem to be unable to realise someone can have more than one scumread. In this setup, there is likely three mafia. I don't see why I can't suspect more than one person.

Unvote

VOTE: GrayFoxxxx
I wanted to do this earlier but there was no one else voting him so it wasn't really worth it. Thank you, KK.

Yeah I
Dont like this. Town doesn't need cover for a vote.

VOTE: implosion

I don't paticularly like this vote from Dragonspawn. It seems rather oppurtunistic with a wagon on Implosion starting.

What makes you think dragonspawn's vote was opportunistic? He gave a fine reason for it, I think. Further, why are you voting Implosion when the first suspicion you have is towards dragonspawn?

Is that RVS?
If not, then since when have we only had one suspect on D1?
We do not have to lynch every suspect.

I think we're better off focusing on one at a time. It creates more pressure and keeps the town from becoming splintered. However, I am not necessarily opposed to having multiple suspects at a time. What you specifically suggested seemed suspicious to me so I am investigating you.

If everyone agrees on one person, that's a bad sign, as that means mafia are content with the lynch.
We are better off with everyone grilling their scumread, like you are doing with me right now.

And yet your vote remains on the target of the one that you are scum reading...

You are doing a bit of damage control and essentially nothing else.[/quote]
I like this. Town points for you

For me at least, it's not about actively avoiding reactions. It's more of a subconscious thing.

You subconsciously think I'm scum?

No, I'm saying that scum will subconsciously do things like overjustifying RVS votes because they want to avoid being conspicuous. Hence there being other ways to avoid reactions is irrelevant. But I also somewhat like post 80, so.

Unvote

VOTE: Necessary Evil
Necessary Evil voted for Mario for doing something "strange", without equating strange with scummy. When questioned on it he once again called it strange. I'd like a better explanation of why strange in this case equates to scummy.

Good candidates for town so far are dragonspawn and Woody, and maybe Shazam. Boonskiies also might be scum.

He voted because he thought he was scum. Seems odd. Null

[TheDominator37]

Page 5 got boring
Nothing really to give my opinion on.
It was all just boon going to woody your scum! And woody replying No I'm not! Of those two woody looks a bit scummier for being so defensive

[TheDominator37]

Khan's like the towniest guy besides me.

Makes no sense

Boon's also no longer scummy.

no explaination for that?

Unvote

VOTE: Necessary Evil
Necessary Evil voted for Mario for doing something "strange", without equating strange with scummy. When questioned on it he once again called it strange. I'd like a better explanation of why strange in this case equates to scummy.

Good candidates for town so far are dragonspawn and Woody, and maybe Shazam. Boonskiies also might be scum.

Yes, it was strange but not necessarily scummy. It caught my intention and I investigated further by voting and questioning MarioManiac4. I voted him to create some pressure. I'm not totally sure about him at this point but I am leaning towards scum and I would like an answer to my question about the lack of a vote on dragonspawn.

that was not pressure or at least it did not seem like to me. Your probably on top of my scum list atm

Why are you so concerned with your vote's 'weight' so early?

Because people (aka Grayfoxxxx) keep asking me about it? I'm not going to ignore questions or arguments made towards me.

Like why are you more focused on your votes placement than on addressing scumreads or producing content?

I have addressed reads and produced content; points were made towards me, so I'm going to address those points. No one has criticized any of my

reads

as of yet, so I haven't discussed any in-depth. I've given a number of townreads (dragon, woody, shazam) and a current scumread on NE; I gave a scumread on foxxxx which I've since retracted, and a weak scumread on Boon, which I've since retracted (he's now in the townread pile, foxxxx is null). I can go in-depth into any involved reasoning if desired.

Another point I have been harping on, and will harp on more: KK really has not towntold yet. Everything he's done so far is just pure reasoning; it isn't necessarily a towntell for him just because you agree with his reasoning. I'd like to hear from Boon why KK is town.

I would have also expected you to vote him after you said you wanted to. Why havent you?

Not sure what you mean; i am voting NE right now. He's still somewhat scummy.

you think gray is scum for asking questions? If anything that makes him town

[TheDominator37]

Oh and I forgot in post 133 shaman seems awful eager to vote Mario or foxx

[TheDominator37]

Can we lynch Mario? Wackpecker has town'd it up a little.

Unvote

VOTE: mario
I think you should stop blabbering abour rvs. Mario seems a bit iffy. He defends people for basically pointless reasons.

Mario is playing exactly the same as my scum game with him last game. He doesn't respond to like anything. Comes in, posts one thing, completely changes direction of game and expects people to just believe him.

VOTE: Mario

these two votes were awful fast boon seemed pretty eager there. But then again I can kinda see where he is coming from. My predecessor did not play well at all

[TheDominator37]

Nothing else happened in 8 other than voting me which there is nothing I really can do. I can't talk for Mario

[TheDominator37]

It is basically a vote on a slot that I find the scummiest. Why dont you like my vote? I find hes trying to act logical like last game in the marathon. As town, I usually see him acting more funnier and sarcastic. In games I read where he was town.

you don't have to remind us that you are town. That is normally something anti town players do

No, i'm meta'ing him off of the lack of him posting much.

meta off of activity is poor meta.

[TheDominator37]

You seem like you are just looking for town cred, rather than scum hunting.

That's not always a bad thing. You can get scum by process of elimination

Help me see things from your perspective.

If game ended today. I think I would find at least one scum in Bulb,implosion,and shazam

Before I forget.
VOTE: bulb

[TheDominator37]

Town
Kahn
Dragon
Pisskop
Faq
Gray
Stubbs
NE
Bulb
Boon
Implosion
Shazam
Scum

[TheDominator37]

Ok I'm pretty much caught up. You guys want to interrogate me? Want me to RC?

[TheDominator37]

Can you explain your scumread on me?

It's not a strong scum read tbh but to explain it you were a bit wish washy and were eager to jump on a wagon

[TheDominator37]

Oh and I forgot in post 133 shaman seems awful eager to vote Mario or foxx

Yes, I was. What is your point? I was already voting one of them, and later switched to the other. They're the two players whose posts I like the least so far in this game.

Ok I'm pretty much caught up. You guys want to interrogate me? Want me to RC?

I don't care if you roleclaim. I doubt very much whether it would change anything.

Scum are often eager to vote up someone and it was pretty early in the game and you wanted to vote up me and foxx. It looked scummy IMO

[TheDominator37]

Oops I forgot VOTE: shazam

[TheDominator37]

VOTE: shazam

Readoning

[TheDominator37]

Oh and I forgot in post 133 shaman seems awful eager to vote Mario or foxx

Yes, I was. What is your point? I was already voting one of them, and later switched to the other. They're the two players whose posts I like the least so far in this game.

Ok I'm pretty much caught up. You guys want to interrogate me? Want me to RC?

I don't care if you roleclaim. I doubt very much whether it would change anything.

Reeks of antitown mindset.

that is what triggered mine a bit too. What was your reasoning?

[TheDominator37]

Town to Scum

Boonskiies
dragonspawn
Kublai Khan
FA_Q2

Shazam
WoodyWoodpecker

StubbsKVM
Necessary Evil
Bulbazoor

pisskop

GrayFoxxxx

implosion

MarioManiac4/Dom

2 things
Mind explaining those
And what happened to your scum reason wood

[TheDominator37]

Oh and I forgot in post 133 shaman seems awful eager to vote Mario or foxx

Yes, I was. What is your point? I was already voting one of them, and later switched to the other. They're the two players whose posts I like the least so far in this game.

Ok I'm pretty much caught up. You guys want to interrogate me? Want me to RC?

I don't care if you roleclaim. I doubt very much whether it would change anything.

Reeks of antitown mindset.

that is what triggered mine a bit too. What was your reasoning?

@bulb

please answer

[TheDominator37]

My scum team rn is shazam and implosion

[TheDominator37]

Lemme get this straight you guys wanted to lynch Mario because of activity meta and not answering questions? If that is the case you should give me a blank slate

PEdit: if you want me to vote implosion I'd be happy to

[TheDominator37]

VOTE: implosion

[TheDominator37]

nah, that was just the counter argument, and I didn't feel like arguing it because it was stupid. All his posts are exactly like they were with ScumMario; he got wagon'd and he avoided the site, forcing to replace. This is EXACTLY what happened last game. And then, as soon as it was abandoned, he instantly signs up for this game.

Is that allowed?

[TheDominator37]

Seems a little defensive ne

[TheDominator37]

my reads right now for scum are khan, shazam, and FaQ

[img]http://media.giphy.com/media/ZN380DzcgB ... hy.gif[img]

[TheDominator37]

Well that failed lets try again

[TheDominator37]

My scum team is shazam and implosion. Not sure about the third
Possibly NE or Boon

[TheDominator37]

Shazam seem like a good lynch?
If not who?
don't say me

[TheDominator37]

Shazam seem like a good lynch?
If not who?
don't say me

This is trying way too hard to 'fit in'.

ive scum read him since I've been in this game

My scum team is shazam and implosion. Not sure about the third
Possibly NE or Boon

Why am I only possibly? I feel from your position, if you were town, I should be your number 1 suspect.

Explain?

[TheDominator37]

Shazam what is you read on implosion?
Please support with quotes and thngs

PEdit: yes I am modding on another site that does not have the widgets this site does. I'm also taking summer gym and am in another game. I'll try my best to stay active

[TheDominator37]

Shazam could you answer my question

And implosion what are your thoughts on shazam?

[TheDominator37]

I'm going to continue to update this as I see fit.

Town to Scum

Boonskiies
dragonspawn
Kublai Khan

Shazam

FA_Q2
GrayFoxxxx
Necessary Evil
Bulbazoor

StubbsKVM
pisskop

implosion

WoodyWoodpecker
Dominator

Notes on biggest movements:

• Wackpecker has obviously moved scummier. I don't agree with a lot of what he is saying, and don't see the town motivation in how he is playing. I also don't enjoy how he keeps responding to me and misrepping A LOT, and only reading what he wants to read.

• Stubbs has moved down on my list due to inactivity really. He has 6 posts. 6. Day 1 is often a day where scum can easily lurk without being noticed, so I definitely want to see more of this.

• Grayfoxx has moved up, as I actually like how her posts feel lately, and it seems more genuine than before.

why are you so high on shazam

[TheDominator37]

Boom seems town. In that 3 page speal with pecker he seemed frustrated with bad play. Which is a town thing to do. You could almost say the opposite about wood so he's moved down a bit on my lisr

[TheDominator37]

I'm not real confident in the bulbazoor wagon. It's just He hasn't really triggered my scumder. My vote will only stay on either implosion or shazam

[TheDominator37]

Ill probably look at their ISOs but i don't really see the scum reads on bulb and wood

[TheDominator37]

I think I agree with boon's assessment of FA's most recent slew of posts. Something about the way he frames Woody/boon's interaction feels off. He just says that he doesn't like them because of the exchange without any further explanation, but it seems strange that the first thing that would come to mind after such a heated back-and-forth exchange would be that they both become scummier for having been involved. It just feels like an excuse to vote Woody and lead in to a Boon fos tomorrow. He talks about information from the lynch in the case that we get scum, but lynching scum is almost always going to give useful information.

I feel like taking this argument and framing it as "there's probably scum amongst the two of them" is a fairly likely scum tactic. And I don't see it as being a likely reaction to the argument as town. So. This is further strengthened to some degree by my still thinking both of them are town.

I also have a good initial impression of Annarchy's (Stubbs replacement) opening.

Unvote

VOTE: FA
Still have a (decently) strong scumread on the NE slot, contingent of course on spicer's posting. But my votes have been dead ends for pretty much this entire day, and I think I'm happy with this vote right now.

baaaaaa

[TheDominator37]

Ok I looked at bulb's ISO and he's slipped into my third scum spot

[TheDominator37]

Can you explain. Dom?

Call this sheep whatever. Basically what boon said

[TheDominator37]

Oh yeah...

@Dom - You Baaaa'd Implosions post when he voted FA. You are against that?

Not necessarily just calling out the sheep

[TheDominator37]

@mod

vote count please

[TheDominator37]

Town
Dom
Dragon
Pisskop
Grayfoxx
KK
Boon
Anarcy
Fa
Wood
Spicer
Bulbazoor
Shazam
Implosion
Scum

[TheDominator37]

my list? or something else?

[TheDominator37]

I want everyone to get caught up, but once that happens, we're beginning to run out of time. It would be good for everyone to think of a few people they'd be ok lynching and start zeroing in on some players that could actually be lynched.

We already did
You implosion or bulb (and for whatever reason FA)

[TheDominator37]

Stop cussing O_O

[TheDominator37]

Anna/shazam/bulb scum team?

[TheDominator37]

Anna/shazam/bulb scum team?

@foxx
@dragon
@kahn
What do you think of this?

[TheDominator37]

Eh I was just speculating
Anna is like 4 or 5 on my list

[TheDominator37]

Ok we have 4 Days left and we need someone to lynch
I'm not a big fan of the fa wagon so VOTE: bulb[/b]

[TheDominator37]

Let's try that again VOTE: bulb

[TheDominator37]

Ok bulb is definitely scum

[TheDominator37]

He's almost soft reading FA hoping for a mislynch

I feel like I am about to be mislynched.

And then here this post means nothing. If you are about to be lynched and you are town we know it will be a mislynch. You don't have to say that

[TheDominator37]

UNVOTE: bulb
Lemme think this over

[TheDominator37]

I feel confident he's scum now
he probably won't be killed tonight if telling the truth, which would be the main use of a claimed PR
I think leaving him alive will probably just end in us wasting time lynching him later

overall I see the benefits of lynching him are now greater than the benefits of keeping him alive

How confident are you?

[TheDominator37]

I think I'm gonna hammer bulb
anyone apose?

[TheDominator37]

Nvm he's not at L-1
VOTE: bulb[/b]

[TheDominator37]

Ugh again VOTE: bulb

[TheDominator37]

Why would a town self hammer?

[TheDominator37]

So bulb what do you want to tell your buddies?

[TheDominator37]

3 minutes...

[TheDominator37]

VOTE: implosion
Top scum target
If you don't know why you haven't read the thread
Not sure about my second though

[TheDominator37]

Can someone explain to me the KK wagon. I don't exactly get it

[TheDominator37]

I'm really not a fan of this pisskop wagon. I do want to see more material from him but this just seems like his normal play

[TheDominator37]

@Anna, dom

Could we agree to lynch one of

KK or piss? I feel KK would yield the most info. I still don't like piss, and I am negotiable on Imp.

Boon can you do one of those cool color lists.

Pedit: called it

I'm not comfortable with the pisskop wagon and I'm only semi comfortable with the KK wagon and would like to see him defend and not chainsaw dragon

[TheDominator37]

VOTE: kk

Join me dom?

Again I think this will give the most info (regardless of flip).

Let me ISO him first.
I may not be done until tomorrow it's 11 pm where I live Atm

[TheDominator37]

I think I can learn a lot from this flip
VOTE: KK
That puts him at

L-1

[TheDominator37]

Hi can we not lynch kk cuz Gray is having an existential crisis?

Also Im pretty sure with Anna's unvote he isnt L-1

vote for Dom

Why me? What makes me scum?

[TheDominator37]

I don't like your reasoning on voting foxx spicer. It seems you are voting for something weird not something scummy

[TheDominator37]

Town

Me!
Boon
Grayfoxxxx
Anna
Woody slot
Pisskop
Dragon
Spicer
KK
Implosion
Scum

[TheDominator37]

I'm keeping my vote with KK but if a imp or spi wagon starts I'll be happy to put a vote their.

[TheDominator37]

His post seem like coaching? even though he could have just talked to him in scum chat.

Only reason I think you would ask this is to seem like a town who is ignorant.

When scum interact with scum in thread they will ask each other things like

So bulb what do you want to tell your buddies?

I'm not sure why you would think otherwise.

Your basically saying I'm too storm too be town. Makes a ton of sense

[TheDominator37]

Although a foxx lynch would be very informative I elude like to stay away from doing that. Like I said before I am more comfortable with a KK spicer or implosion lynch

[TheDominator37]

Why me? Why kop
What makes you town reads town.
You've done no explaining anna

[TheDominator37]

Me and you too spicer

[TheDominator37]

Also don't ignore his posts about bulb.

I think if there was a busser on bulbs wagon it is Piss

What do you mean a busser on bulb? Bulb flipped town. How can anyone bus a townie?

This post is really telling. I just can't tell what it's saying yet.

??? Really?

That's the towntell post. Scum would know a scum member died but town might be oblivious if they didn't read the modpost closely.

Why suddenly bring this up after he votes you?

So its possible I bussed my scum partner.

But not possible for DS to say that as scum?

This logic hurts my soul.

Straw man alert. Khan has not claimed its not possible for me to say that as scum. In fact, he has been one of the main people pressuring me despite my screw up. And I see no problem with him doing that.

So why don't you tell us why you suddenly bring it up after I voted for you

Tired of going in circles with Boon and KK. It got you to talk to me.

How is a response to my post getting me to talk to you?

And if you want to talk to me just talk.

Sorry I just had to do this

[TheDominator37]

VOTE: gray
Just ISOed main points is he never really had any substantial reads, constantly went with the flow, and soft read bulb and is pushing for a KK lynch

[TheDominator37]

UNVOTE: gray
Lemme think this through
May go back up soon

[TheDominator37]

Ok Anna please explain your reads you never have yet rising my suspiciouns
KK what are your reads and why?
Boon we need another color wheel or reads

As for fox he seems all over the place and is antsy on wagons very suspicious but not going to Pygmy vote on him yet

PEdit: my main reasons for voting you in the first place were for reactions as well as finding you semi suspicious. I later am rethinking my vote. It may go back on but I'm just reconsidering

[TheDominator37]

VOTE: ray i can get some reads from this lynch

[TheDominator37]

VOTE: ray i can get some reads from this lynch

Dom stop ignoring me.

I'm not I'm actually pay close attention to uou

[TheDominator37]

Gray
1. No your being vague O_o
2. Kissing up trying to get my vote off you? I don't think so.
3. It was the way you pushed the wagon. I noticed I was being to gullible when I listened to you.

[TheDominator37]

V/LA

for another 2 days. Sorry for my inactivity

[TheDominator37]

V/LA

for two days tag didn't work

[TheDominator37]

:S. Who's talking about lynching you? I'm grateful for you replacing in, and I appreciate the honesty, I just want to question assumptions in general.

Fair enough. Remember that I'm not yet invested in this game, and I'll tell you right now I'm just a VT, so if I see something as shit, I'm not likely to take it.

Wait, you are claiming with no reason to as well? Why?

I'm not understanding the town motivation from these last few posts.

VOTE: persivul

Specifics?

[TheDominator37]

Wow All the wagons died. I'd be willing to put my vote on kk gray or spic. Too many side wagons O_O

[TheDominator37]

Boooooooon I want to binge watch your color wheel

[TheDominator37]

:S. Who's talking about lynching you? I'm grateful for you replacing in, and I appreciate the honesty, I just want to question assumptions in general.

Fair enough. Remember that I'm not yet invested in this game, and I'll tell you right now I'm just a VT, so if I see something as shit, I'm not likely to take it.

Wait, you are claiming with no reason to as well? Why?

I'm not understanding the town motivation from these last few posts.

VOTE: persivul

Specifics?

Specifics on what point?

You said pesivul doesn't have town motivation can you explain your points

[TheDominator37]

D:

[TheDominator37]

Hey, who's town here? Raise your hands...I don't want to separate from you.

Puts hand down

[TheDominator37]

V/LA over

[TheDominator37]

Did you read anything Titus?

[TheDominator37]

No I too am susp of KK but I don't want just random votes flying around

[TheDominator37]

Then why don't you vote him boon?

[TheDominator37]

IMp explain

[TheDominator37]

Choo choo
VOTE: kk
4 votes on him

[TheDominator37]

From what I know
Kk is at 4
I have 2 I think
Gray has 1
Spicer might have one as well

[TheDominator37]

I love how when boon had his vote on gf the whole time and then he switches to the lead wagon and then boom everyone switched to gf wagon. That's some mafia for ya

[TheDominator37]

Ughgggghhh implosion why you do this to me

[TheDominator37]

Was that a hammer? UNVOTE:
Just incase

[TheDominator37]

Who

[TheDominator37]

Shoot now what.
I would of go spicer but that town slip at the end of d2 seemed genuine.
Implosion hasn't implied anything and is a legit option
Titus and dragon I need to look over again
Pisskop looks town IMO

VOTE: implosion

If there is two mafias of two people I believe we are in MYLO

[TheDominator37]

LYLO not MYLO

[TheDominator37]

You defending Kk when he was at l-1.

[TheDominator37]

Maybe tomorrow imp

[TheDominator37]

Fine I am the 2 shot vig and I killed shazaam and gf

[TheDominator37]

So it's not MYLO. And 1 kill tonight unless it is somehow prevented

[TheDominator37]

UNVOTE:

[TheDominator37]

Nvm what I said at the start of the day. VOTE: spicer

[TheDominator37]

What is going on with this boom wagon! Stop it. Stop it now.

[TheDominator37]

So the mod has confirmed it is possible for both Spicer and boon to tell the truth.

Dom, did you revoke your vig claim?

No i am the vig

[TheDominator37]

Imp and spice are scum

[TheDominator37]

Hammer time VOTE: pisskop